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I don't know how to spell the sound of my head exploding...but fwubt is my best guess. What the hell?

I got no beef with vegans.

Some day the PETA nutters will team up with the Tea Party nutters (because nutters always find each other) and then, just wait for the ads.

I don't see any hint of domestic violence here - sure she's hurting, but she just popped to the store basically mid-coitus to get him some more veggies for refuelling...

The look on her face as she starts to strip again at end shows she's definately up for more.

Gelato isn't vegan?

Milk and eggs, bitch!

PETA is terrible, but you're stretching on this one.

I don't have to be a tantric porn star. I have steak. And cheese. And fries. And chocolate. Your move PETA.

MEAT IS MURDER!!
(tasty, tasty murder)

At least spell "definitely" correctly.

There is no A in "definitely".

No A.

There's also no L in "refueling".

But, no, there's no untoward allusions here, clearly.

I can't roll my eyes all day, I'll catch ya later.

And that should say injuries, not images.

This cries of desperation. I was always told that there are three lazy ways to get someone to do what you want; bribe them with money, threaten them with harm or entice them with sex. PETA tries to use the third more often than not, and perhaps uses the second from time to time. I really cannot comprehend why they've felt the need to go to such measures apart from the obvious, "Let's try being more humane people" method not being aggravating enough to garner attention.

They've dangled bloodied, caged pussy in front of potential followers as though John Kramer were the secret leader. They tout the same tired theme by using an ad campaign that is arguably just as exploitative and they often back their arguments with unfounded and outright fictitious "facts". Sex might sell things, but we're not talking about selling a product, we're about promoting a philosophy. And it is bizarre that this organization tries spread the word about being kinder to lesser forms of life by acting like tools towards the very ones they claim they're trying to persuade. It's gone from, "Let's try to evolve our way of life..." to "You're all suck and are stupid..." And when that doesn't work they resort to naked pictures of rich celebrities as means of making people feel bad for eating a chicken sandwich, wearing leather shoes and having a dog for pet. It's like they're a militaristic cult that seems to do a better job repelling people than do much of anything constructive. They are more confrontational and belligerent than progressive and that makes them into a contradiction. Even if they did actually forward progress (which they really don't) they do so at expense of their own humanity.

Folks, if you want have a vegan diet, not wear fur or leather, not purchase products from companies who are less than kind to animals or just want to do things to preserve life for the natural world....go forth and be confident. But please consider doing so without associating with these asshole extremists. It's to the point where I believe they've completely lost sight of why they do the things they do in the first place. There's a huge difference between being passionate about your beliefs and just being an annoying pain in the ass.

New domestic violence defense:

"Your Honor, I never meant to hurt her. I started eating vegan two weeks ago and the power of tofu increased my sexual prowess to such a degree that I couldn't control myself. Also, she came back home which means she must of enjoyed it."

Also, I think reading domestic violence into this is a huge leap. I don't think there's anything like that here. You see a woman whose suffered injuries, but told that it's the result of a condition.

The woman's injuries are not caused by a "condition", they were caused by her boyfriend while having sex. I guess as long as he doesn't actually smash her head against the head board while having sex but it happens as a "condition" of his thrusting, then it doesn't qualify as violence.

I'm indifferent towards PETA (although I am a vegetarian), but there's no abuse here, implied or otherwise. It appears to be exuberant consensual sex and nothing more. Have none of you ever enjoyed a solid night of enthusiastic corn-holing only to feel it in your leg and neck muscles the next day?

Of course the ad is still pretty stupid.

Thought experiment:

Why did they show a woman being the bruised up one and not a guy (there are more vegan women than men), and what would the reaction have been if they had shown a man in a neck brace and limping?

You see, you tell them "Go Fuck Yourself." And they did!

OK, so here's My big problem with PETA. I recently became really obsessed with the issue of factory farming and have been really upset that there's nothing I can really do about it so I went onto PETA's website. While PETA is chop full of grotesquely graphic footage...there's little to no options provided other than "Become Vegan, we'll send you a kit!" or give them money. They have a few links for emailing your congressman for other issues which is a good start (and I actually did get a lovely reply email from NY about legislation being pushed) but PETA themselves don't even really let you volunteer as far as I could see unless you live in Virginia near their headquarters.

I've been putting my support towards ASPCA (not just because of the sad commercials, though yes, somewhat because of the sad commercials) because they provide options, put their efforts towards an astounding variety of animal causes, and most importantly...because they provide success stories like the page with nothing but happy tales of adopted rescue animals and the owners that fell in love with them. I desperately need to not ball my eyes out everytime I think about helping animals and expecting the whole world to suddenly stop eating meat or eggs or cheese or milk is too hopeless for me to think about.

Yes, John G. - no one over age 40 today who is alive and having sex eats meat. It's definitely a proven fact.

(I dunno. My omnivorous parents had their last kid at age 45. Which means my mom was strong enough to do the deed but to carry and push that sucker out. And she only half-jokingly attributes eating 2 eggs almost every morning while pregnant to her 8 succesful deliveries.)

Discuss: Would you rather be protested by Westboro Baptist Church or PETA?

Discuss: Would you rather be protested by Westboro Baptist Church or PETA?

Doesn't matter, I'd shoot them both.

* that should be ensure they are treating the animals in humane conditions, not that their products are.

I'm vegan and anti fur and I really REALLY despise PETA.

they are a bunch of sexist lunatics who (1) seem to confuse publicity with awareness and (2) value said publicity over women's right to dignity.

as well they would rather put an animal down than have it be owned as a pet, as they see pet ownership as a form of slavery.

Recently I brought this fact up to the "protestors" who had lined up infront of Holt Renfrew (a highend clothing chain in Canada) and all the guy could do was stare at me and smile...

fuck PETA

PETA...as always...demonstrates their astonishing tone-deafness and a pervasive outright hostility to humans (particularly women). For fuck's sake, these dumbasses are even more hostile to women than the fashion industry. How is that even possible?

As far as health goes, the only healthy-looking vegans I ever see are in pictures. I've never met a real-life vegan who looked properly nourished, much less any who could pull off the "sex machine" thing.

@Barry: You're right, you don't know any so they don't exist. See you at the Mensa meeting!

And enjoy your big juicy steak or whatever, I'm sure that sense of entitlement tastes great.

And you, please, enjoy your delicious feeling of being better than everyone else. Your humorless holier-than-thou sentiments must go great with a nice Bordeaux.

It's the same reason non-religious people hate having beliefs shoved in their face. It's rude and only takes into account your own beliefs.

Educate, don't pontificate. If PETA wouldn't act as though, no, declare, that eating meat is murder or owning a pet, slavery, then maybe people wouldn't feel so negatively towards them. All the good they may do is squandered in an egotistical self-defeating public persona. If you come across like assholes people are going to be repelled and rebel.

Dear PETA people:
PETA is completely ridiculous. Donating to them is a voluntary tax on stupidity. Proudly associating yourself with them lets me know all I need to know about you, so I am thankful for the handy litmus test to save me the trouble of taking anything you say seriously, or assigning meaning to the noises that emit vomitlike from your yapholes.
Sincerely,
professional animal trainer, lifelong animal lover.

Also: Who would want to fuck that skinny dweeb? Good lord, I like me some nerdy man, but I would snap him like a twig!

If it's dumb it deserves to be made fun of and that's dumb. Making fun of dumb is never stale.

It sucks, but that's what PETA does. Why would someone choose to be vegan? To help end world hunger for one! Here are two uplifting videos to help everyone understand why so many people are making this life affirming choice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKr4HZ7ukSE and http://www.veganvideo.org

Sorry..."caught" not "code"

Objectionable no, stupid yes.

To the vegans, the vegetarians, the health Nazis, the tasty tasty meat people. the I can't live without meat people, and any other person who has an opinion about what I eat. Here is a very simple concept. You eat what you want and don't fucking bother me about what I eat. If you can't do that then just shut the fuck up. Because I don't give a flying fuck about your fucking opinion to about what ever the fuck I eat to begin with. Does the repetitive use of fuck ingrain it into you thick skull to keep your opinion about food to yourself?

The Simpsons said it best. Vegans are utterly humorless people that just cant grasp the fact that the rest of us think they are nuts. That's why their commercials make no sense, they make no sense. Crazy in, crazy out.

Just want to interject, because many people feel these things are synonymous, animal rights and animal welfare are two VERY different things. I am a huge believer and supporter of animal welfare: that animals should be cared for in the best possible way within reason (access to food, shelter, water, vet care). They should be treated humanely and not purposefully injured or mistreated. That being said I also believe animals can be kept as pets and used for food/fiber.

However animal RIGHTS (what PETA "believes" in) is the assertion that animals of all species, down to the roaches in your cupboards, have all the same rights as a human. This means that they may not be killed, owned or used in any way for human benefit. Again this means no pets, not even a gold fish, you may not kill the roach on your bathroom floor and I certainly hope you weren't thinking of putting out a mousetrap. Also, if you enjoy any drugs or medications that are either developed using animals or use animal products, sorry about your luck, there's a good chance you'll die.

Clearly people who demand that no animals or animal products be used ever are completely unaware of all the things that use animal products and the fact that the world we live in today can simply not function without them. Even so far as plants, nearly all farms use compost or manure from cattle or chickens to replace the nutrients in the soil every year. Now we can do without that, but that means using alternate forms of fertilization, either synthetic or natural. Bear in mind the natural fertilizers will be animal-based (often "fish emulsion" because plant-based fertilizers don't perform as well, and if the whole world is going to be vegan we will need one HELL of a lot more vegetables. Which, by the way, is something that simply can't be sustained on the present amount of farmable acres, so you had all better stop having kids too...

Again, I'm not saying being vegan or vegetarian is bad. If it makes you feel good either physically or mentally then by all means have at it. Also I'm not saying that animal welfare should be ignored. What I am saying is that to think you can successfully turn a population vegan is foolish and animal rights are foolish as well.

SO in closing: please keep these two ideas (animal rights vs. Animal welfare) very separate in your mind when you are choosing causes to support. Also, if you choose to donate money to truly help animals such as rescued/abused pets (dogs, cats, horses, bunnies, whatever your favorite fuzzy friend might be) please be aware that The humane society of the US, PETA, and similar organizations are animals rights organizations who's mission is to end animal agriculture and medical practices. They donate very little money (usually less than 10% of donatable funds) to causes such as rescues and local humane societies. The majority of the money is spent on lobbying and paying d-list celebrities to take off their clothes. So please give your money to your local shelter or spay/neuter clinic or its going into the pocket of a Kardashian (and that makes me want to kick puppies)

Shouldn't her panties have been soaked through with blood and shouldn't she have blood oozing, nay pouring down the her inner thighs?

John G

taken from PETA's website: http://www.peta.org/issues/Companion-Animals/Companion-Animals-Factsheets.aspx

"It is important, also, to keep our companion animals from reproducing, which perpetuates a class of animals who are forced to rely on humans to survive"

Now that sounds to me like they would like to get rid of domesticated animals, or just let them run feral

"Here's PETA's official position on pet ownership. I agree with it. The commoditization of animals for the pet trade is why we have overflowing animal shelters & thus euthanasia.

http://www.peta.org/about/why-peta/pets.aspx"

Wow. New Transported Man, the information in that link is... retarded. Full of misinformation, pathetically transparent attempts to play on people's emotion, and more misinformation:

"This selfish desire to possess animals and receive love from them causes immeasurable suffering,"

Citation needed.

which results from manipulating their breeding, selling or giving them away casually, and depriving them of the opportunity to engage in their natural behavior.

Their natural behaviour... like being domesticated animals??

They are restricted to human homes, where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to.

If my cat doesn't like it, it can leave. That's right, it chooses to stay. It's not restricted to my home, except at night because of the foxes.

"Because domesticated animals retain many of their basic instincts and drives..."

Do they? Which ones exactly? Which species, which behaviours? Citations from scientific literature please, not just airy appeals to 'nature' and 'natural instinct for freedom' - that was bred out of most domesticated species a long time ago.

The rest of the page is pointless bleating about pets that a mistreated. Everyone with a heart disagrees with mistreating animals... and it's got fuck all to do with not keeping pets. It's not an either/or situation, you can be against torturing animals in puppy mills and realise that this emotive anti-pet bullshit is exactly what it appears to be.

p.s. just for the kicker:

we believe that it would have been in the animals' best interests if the institution of "pet keeping"—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as "pets"—never existed.

Yes. Just ask wildcats and dingoes how successful they've been without being pets. What's that? There are barely any of them because they weren't pets, like the dogs and cats who have proliferate succesfully all over the world?
If cats and dogs weren't kept as pets or working animals there would be barely any of them left.

And yes, PETA here is saying that pets, as a whole would be better off either if they'd never been born, or if someone immediately released a virus that killed all domesticated animals. Because the lives of the abused ones outweigh the lives of the well treated ones. And there's no better way to prevent abuse than preventing pets.

John G

I'm pretty much just going to let Ender's responses suffice for the time being, I feel my point has been explained.