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Would You Like Some Pre-Extermination Tea?

By C. Robert Dimitri | Posted Under TV Reviews | Comments (80)



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“Now I don’t give a damn if you’re a machine, Bracewell. Are you a man?”

Picking up right where we left off in “The Beast Below,” we open in the top British war room bunker in the midst of the World War 2 Blitz. Officers and strategists bark logistics and desperate situations at each other as they receive updates via radio receivers. Winston Churchill walks into the room for an update, and a young female officer (Blanche) tells the Prime Minister that the targets in question would normally be out of range. Churchill orders the use of the “secret weapon.” As if to indicate the ultimate checkmate, a small figure in the shape of a Dalek is slid across the military map in response.

After our weekly opening credits trip through the swirling time and space continuum, the TARDIS arrives in the bunker to be greeted by Churchill and a phalanx of soldiers with rifles aimed at the ready. The Doctor and Winston (yes, I’m just going to call the legendary PM “Winston,” henceforth) are old friends and share a joke over Winston’s desire to take the TARDIS for himself for all the good that he could achieve by way of its powers. Winston acknowledges that the Doctor has regenerated since they last met, and he tells the tardy Doctor that he placed the distress call we saw a month ago.

Winston takes Amy and Doctor on an elevator ride to the roof and introduces them to Professor Edwin Bracewell, who is in charge of the “Ironside” project. The Professor watches the sky through binoculars as enemy planes approach. Amy looks across the London cityscape with numerous blimps above and marvels at the historical significance of the moment. Interrupting her reverie, lasers fire into the sky from behind the Professor’s fortifications and destroy the approaching planes. The Doctor immediately recognizes that the technology is not human and rushes to discover the source. A Dalek emerges, and the Doctor is of course shocked. The Dalek - complete with a tiny Union Jack logo on the dome beneath its eye - identifies itself as the Doctor’s “soldier.” The Dalek seems not to recognize the Doctor despite the Doctor’s insistence otherwise. The Professor introduces the Dalek as a member of his Ironside project, and the Dalek explains that its purpose is to destroy the German forces and win the war.

Back in Winston’s office, the PM tells the Doctor that the Professor invented the Ironsides and displays the blueprints to prove it. The Doctor replies that they are alien and completely hostile. One of the Daleks passes by in the hallway, and we see the Doctor through its mechanized Dalek vision, an effective technique used throughout the episode. Winston is happy to agree with the second part of the Doctor’s claim, as that hostility is what will win him the war.

Unable to convince Winston to discontinue the operation, the Doctor asks Amy to tell Winston about the evil of the Daleks, as she should remember what took place the last time that the Doctor encountered their race. (See “Journey’s End,” when the Doctor and Donna saved the Earth after it had been transported across the universe.) Strangely, though, Amy has no memory of the worldwide invasion by the Daleks. The Doctor is mystified by this development and says that it is not possible.

Amy attempts to question one of the Daleks, but it deflects Amy’s inquiry and only says that it is a soldier with duties to perform. Meanwhile, the Doctor continues to try to convince Winston not to trust the Daleks, as they are his “oldest and deadliest enemy” without conscience, mercy, or pity. Winston’s reply: “If Hitler invaded hell, I would give a favorable reference to the Devil. These machines are our salvation.” One of the Daleks continues to watch the Doctor’s attempts with seeming impassivity.

In the Professor’s lab, a Dalek offers the Professor tea. The Doctor and Amy arrive to question him about the source of his ideas. The Professor claims that ideas teem from his head and offers his schematics for hypersonic flight and gravity bubbles that can sustain life outside of the atmosphere. Winston arrives to sell the virtues of the Daleks once again, and in response to a Dalek’s offer to the Doctor for tea, the Doctor smacks the Dalek’s serving tray to the floor. The Doctor’s frustration reaches its peak at the Dalek’s failure to understand which war it is assigned to win: the war against the Nazis or the war against the entire universe. The Doctor grabs a giant metal wrench and repeatedly beats the Dalek over its dome while inviting it to kill him. Finally, the Doctor lays out the whole story: how many times he has defeated them - the worst thing in all of creation - and who he is to them. “I am the Doctor, and you are the Daleks.” With a final kick to the Dalek’s “torso,” the Dalek reels backward and replies with a single word: “Correct,” it barks.

The Daleks transmit the Doctor’s recorded “testimony” of their identity to a ship above, and the Doctor orders everyone to back away. Winston calls in a couple soldiers for help, but the Daleks shoot them dead. The Professor appeals for the Daleks to stop, and one of the Daleks replies by shooting the Professor’s hand off. The Professor is actually a robot that the Daleks created for infiltration. With a cry of “Victory!” the two Daleks in the room beam away in shafts of light to the spaceship above.

The Doctor leaves Amy behind with Winston for safety’s sake and departs in the TARDIS. Winston and Amy learn from Blanche that there is an unidentified flying object beyond the Earth’s atmosphere, and they infer that the Doctor must be there at the center of the action.

The Doctor arrives on the Dalek ship and confronts the three Daleks. They are on the verge of killing him, but the Doctor threatens them with a TARDIS self-destruct device that will destroy all of them. Said device appears to my discerning eye to be some variety of Fig Newton or similar delectable. The Doctor demands that they not scan the device and begins his interrogation to learn the Daleks’ plan. This group of Daleks survived the events of “Journey’s End” in a single damaged ship that was hurled backward through time. They recovered a Progenitor device that contained pure Dalek DNA and could be used to revive their race, but the machine refused to recognize these Daleks because of their impurities. Only with the confirming testimony of the known greatest enemy of the Daleks would the machine allow them to operate it.

The Daleks start the Progenitor machine and demand that the Doctor leaves, or else they will destroy the humans below. The Doctor doubts they have the power for such an attack, and in response they activate the lighting throughout London in order to allow the German Blitz to succeed. The Progenitor machine completes its task, and emerging from the smoke to the Doctor’s horror are five new pure Daleks in assorted colors (white, blue, orange, yellow, and red), presumably for your increased Dalek action figure variety pleasure.

Back on the ground, Amy realizes that the only way to beat the Daleks is to use the technology that the Daleks enabled the Professor to “discover.” Amy and Winston appeal for help from the mechanical Professor, who is experiencing substantial confusion over his ties to the Daleks and is on the verge of suicide. The Professor tells them that with the use of gravity bubbles, they might be able to send objects into space.

The new Daleks - complete with even deeper Dalekian voices - destroy the old less perfect Daleks that brought them to life. They threaten to exterminate the Doctor, and once again the Doctor menacingly gestures with his Fig Newton. The Daleks perform a scan and realize that the Doctor is bluffing. (It’s actually a “Jammy Dodger” biscuit.) Just in time to divert the Daleks from killing the Doctor, a trio of British Spitfire airplanes attack the Dalek ship. The Doctor tells them to destroy the transmitting dish that is forcing London’s lights on, and then he makes a dash back to the TARDIS.

A space battle takes place, and two of the three British fighters are destroyed. The Doctor uses the TARDIS to disable the Dalek shields, and the last pilot destroys the transmitter. The Doctor tells the pilot to finish off the Dalek ship, but the Daleks contact the Doctor on the TARDIS’s view screen to let him know that the Professor is an oblivion continuum bomb. If the Doctor does not call off the attack, they will detonate the Professor and destroy the Earth.

The Doctor complies and returns to Earth, but the Daleks have double-crossed him. They activate the bomb, and the Professor starts ticking away via a circular meter on his robotic chest. The Doctor realizes that the Professor is himself by his very nature a bomb. There are no wires to cut or circuits to defuse. The only way to stop him from killing everyone is to convince him of his humanity by tapping into his implanted human memories. The Doctor’s method seems to have potential, but the Professor’s clock continues to tick. Amy takes the cue from the Doctor and - rather than just question the Professor generally about his past - asks him about anyone that he might have fancied that he should not have. Wistful memories of a past love named Dorabella reverse the detonation sequence and save the Earth. The Daleks are flabbergasted that the bomb did not succeed and use their ship to depart through time and space so that they might regroup to face the Doctor again.

The Doctor is thrilled with the success of the Professor, Winston, and especially Amy, but he is very distraught that the Daleks have managed to escape once again.
“The Daleks have won. They’ve beat me. They’ve won.”

Amy looks on the bright side of life. “But you saved the Earth. Not too shabby, is it? Is it?”

The Doctor concedes. “No, it’s not too shabby.”

Winston offers the Doctor a cigar, which the Doctor refuses, and he asks the Doctor once again for the use of alien technology or even the Doctor’s personal help in winning the war. This is a request beyond the Doctor’s personal purview. Across the room Blanche weeps over the death of her young man on the battlefront, and the Doctor points out that the darkest days are to come. With Winston Churchill as their leader, though, they will prevail. Hugs are given as a farewell, and Amy realizes that sly Winston lifted the TARDIS key and demands its return.

Amy and the Doctor return to Professor Edwin for another farewell. The Professor sadly tells them that he knows they must deactivate him, but Amy and the Doctor leave him be with several not-so-subtle hints for him to seek out his memories and a happy human life.

Back at the TARDIS, Amy reflects on the fact that the Doctor has enemies and even archenemies. She thought that they would just gallivant through time “being daft and fixing stuff,” but that is not the case. Despite the now apparent danger in their travels, she resolves to stay the course. Amy reassures the Doctor that the Daleks will need time to rebuild their power, and the Doctor says that his more pressing worry is that Amy had forgotten Earth’s previous battle with the Daleks. Amy and the Doctor enter the TARDIS and fade away to reveal another of the space-time cracks on the wall of the British bunker behind them.

****

I thought this was the weakest of the three episodes in the new season, but I still enjoyed it, particularly for the strong anchoring performance by Matt Smith.

Perhaps there is a bit of Dalek-overload on the program, and I would be content with a lack of Daleks for the remainder of this year. I am happy, though, that they have been reestablished as a threat that still lurks in the universe. I found much humor in their tea-offering and Union-Jack-wearing disguises.

I am not a Winston Churchill expert, and I would be interested in discussion of Ian McNeice’s portrayal of such a well-known and oft-quoted historical figure, if anyone cares to comment.

Amy is now two for two in saving the day in her adventures away from home with the Doctor, and perhaps that warrants discussion as well.

Finally, for those who watched the old Doctor Who as well as the new, I welcome discussion on the history of appearances by the Daleks. My two most vivid memories related to them are the first appearance by Davros opposite Tom Baker’s Doctor in “Genesis Of The Daleks,” and that very first appearance by the Daleks in the William Hartnell serial “The Daleks,” when the first cliffhanger ends with a Dalek rounding the corner.

Correcting my open question from last week that was answered in the comments, Amy’s age of approximately 1300 was not a mistake, as the ship in “The Beast Below” had been in transit for a few hundred years. Of course, the nature of the crack still remains an open question, and the seeming erasure from history of the previous war with the Daleks demands explanation.

On that note, I know that some of you have already viewed the upcoming River Song and Weeping Angels two-parter and are very eager to discuss it. If you must, please tag appropriately with spoiler warnings, as not all of our readers are watching Doctor Who on the British broadcast calendar. Next week I shall return with the recap of the eagerly anticipated “The Time Of Angels.”

C. Robert Dimitri spent many of the prime Saturday nights of his youth staying home to watch syndicated episodes of Doctor Who on PBS, and his social skills might be beyond repair as a result. He’s not the most hardcore Whovian, but he’s a respectable representative. The first episode he remembers watching was Tom Baker’s “The Creature From The Pit.” At one point he obsessively watched all the Hartnell, Troughton, and Pertwee episodes that were available to him, and sometime around the age of 14 he dragged his mother to a Doctor Who convention. All he truly has ever wanted for Christmas is Perpugilliam Brown, but he would be almost as content with K-9.

His favorite moment in any Doctor Who episode ever might be the exchange of trash-talk between the Daleks and Cybermen in “Doomsday.”









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Comments

This episode totally stalled for me after the first two brilliant offerings. Also, I'm really, really not a fan of the iDaleks.

Posted by: Sbrown at May 4, 2010 2:47 PM

I've been telling you that fucker Jobs is a plague upon the universe.


(though I do like them, I call them Kitchen Aid Daleks)

Posted by: Jay at May 4, 2010 2:56 PM

I look forward to these, Mr. Dimitri.

1. I also thought this was the weakest episode so far. It seemed like just an excuse to introduce new shiny plastic Daleks ("collect the whole set") in different colors so you can tell them apart. It also goes with the whole "Alice in Wonderland" sort of pretty colors thing that Moffat has going on.

2. Why can't the Doctor just go back in time and confront some oldstyle Daleks? The originals from the first Hartnell episodes are still my favorite, but then I'm old and nostalgic for the way evil used to be (i.e. in black and white).

3. Why are the Daleks the only aliens that the Doctor seems to confront in the same timeline that he's in? It would make more sense if he would encounter them back in time, like Tom Baker did in "Genesis of the Daleks."

4. That crack in space. It seems to be whereever the Doctor is. I HAVE A PREDICTION. 20 bucks (I mean pounds, I mean euros, whatever) says the Doctor somehow created the crack in space when he regenerated. He then fell through the crack and is now in an alternate universe where the Daleks never stole the Earth, and that's why Amy's never seen them before. I'll stand by my prediction until I'm proved wrong.

Posted by: BWeaves at May 4, 2010 2:56 PM

I'll stand by my prediction until I'm proved wrong.

Well......no, I shouldn't say.

Posted by: Jay at May 4, 2010 2:58 PM

While I'm not quite so prediction happy on this point: What if that alternate universe is the one that Rose and 10-lite are in?

Posted by: BWeaves at May 4, 2010 3:00 PM

I don't think Sir Winston looked so much like a Vogon in real life, and I'd be surprised if he were such a deft pickpocket. Otherwise, it didn't seem too bad. If I remember correctly, Ian McNeice has played him on stage before.

Posted by: kyle at May 4, 2010 3:00 PM

I think the problem is that the Daleks are time travelers too, and so they're both kinda outside time now, and thus....they're always contemporaneous to each other?

Or, you know, something.

Posted by: Jay at May 4, 2010 3:01 PM

I kinda like the new Daleks, or at least what little we have seen of them. Back to the low-tech daftness roots and everything... but then this series so far seems to be about reimagining celebrated villains without strict attention to canon (I wonder what you'll be thinking of the Angels two weeks from now!), so maybe I'm just distracted by the shiny.

Apart from that, I'd also be interested in a historian's views on this Churchill. Is it a reduction to "fat guy + cigars + quotes", or is it accurate?

Posted by: muzz at May 4, 2010 3:04 PM

I will be glad if we don't hear anything from the Daleks or Cybermen for about ten years. So sick of them.

I didn't pay much attention to this episode, mostly because of my hatred for the Daleks. However, I can gladly say that the Weeping Angels two parter was excellent, and back on form. More questions raised than answered but that's what I like about it, keep you guessing.

Posted by: Carrie (aka Teabelly) at May 4, 2010 3:05 PM

Mr. Dimitri: How could you possibly mistake a Jammy Dodger for a Fig Newton?

Fig Newton's are square, and Jammy Dodger's are round with a jam hole (oh, that sounds dirty).

To quote Pogo: "Pi R Square." "No, Pi are not square. Pie are round. Cornbread are square."

Posted by: BWeaves at May 4, 2010 3:05 PM

Yes, I really wish they'd give the Daleks and Cybermen a rest for a few years. They're getting overdone.

I'm glad to hear the Weeping Angels episodes are good. I'm looking forward to some new bad guys, and the statues really creeped me the hell out in Blink.

Posted by: BWeaves at May 4, 2010 3:08 PM

Fig Newton?? That is a scandal. Jammie Dodgers are my favourite. Or well, one of them. Ugh, fig newtons, blech.

Posted by: Carrie (aka Teabelly) at May 4, 2010 3:10 PM

I'd only heard the word before, we've never seen Jammie Dodgers over here. Looked like those Danish cookies my grandma would get in the big variety tin.

Posted by: Jay at May 4, 2010 3:10 PM

I thought they couldn't make the angels any scarier. I was wrong. I love scary Who.

Posted by: Carrie (aka Teabelly) at May 4, 2010 3:12 PM

Posted by: B at May 4, 2010 3:12 PM

No Jammie Dodgers?? Where are you? You are being deprived. We need to put together a care package stat!

Posted by: Carrie (aka Teabelly) at May 4, 2010 3:13 PM

How does Amy keep that skirt on? I mean it's on her low hips. I can barely keep a skirt to stay in place when it's locked around my waist (and I do have a waist).

Posted by: BWeaves at May 4, 2010 3:21 PM

No Jammie Dodgers?? Where are you?

Typical Brit, doesn't care to know anything about the rest of the world. Oy!

Posted by: Jay at May 4, 2010 3:32 PM

I was going to write a response, but it is beneath my dignity as a Brit. But in short: no Jammie Dodgers for you.

Posted by: Carrie (aka Teabelly) at May 4, 2010 3:40 PM

Sorry, while I appreciate your excellent review of the acting and character development, I have to disagree about some of it.

I hated the fighters! I mean c'mon! That was the worse out-of-that hail-mary nonsense since K9's gimmick of the week. It seemed they went from theory to device in seconds. Geez that was awful offal.

Okay, maybe I missed it. Exactly where did we hear that the bubbles were more than a theory or that a full scale research lab with ultra-nanites was in operation nearby? Otherwise, one minute it's theory on paper and the next it's created, and on fighters equiped with life support systems to operate in space.

And why would the Daleks even allow such a facility to exist? They made the android, and they put a bomb in him. If they were smart enough to setup that failsafe why would they allow the humans to have an ultra-nanite factory? Or even better why would they allow their droid to have enough intelligence to defeat them.

And don't say because they are inferior because I'll pinch you!

Oh and another thing, a proplane would not move in space.

Look, I get it, we are universes away from the Tom Baker Doctor were there was at least a nudge nudge wink at science. But this episode was like a sparkly Twilight Dr. Who. It sucked.

Plot Issue: If they could create gravity bubble fighers that fast then they could have made a hyper accurate missile with the power to blast the saucer into component atoms. Or at least disassemble the Daleks and the saucer before they could have done anything. Certainly before they could have touched the plunger to activate the android bomb.

And that's another thing...why would they need to manipulate a control for their bomb? They should have been able to transmit the activation sequence.

I've been following Who since BEFORE Tom Baker and this was a really bad episode.

(Taking deep breaths...)

Better now.

Posted by: Chuckwho at May 4, 2010 3:42 PM

I bet it's not that the last Dalek war has been erased from history but that somehow Amy herself is outside of time or from an alternate universe. The Tardis has been off, time-wise, since the beginning of its encounters with Amy -- from the 5 minutes that turns into 12 years, to the next 5 minutes that turns into 2 years, and now the month-long gap in answering Churchill's distress call.

There are a lot of intriguing hints in Eleventh Hour that Leadworth and Amy are somehow not quite in synch with the rest of the world as the Doctor knows it.

I'm wondering how this all plays into the fairytale references that surround Amy.

I agree that this was the weakest episode of the season so far, but I'm intrigued by where all these hints will lead.

Posted by: lorent at May 4, 2010 3:42 PM

No! There aren't! No Jammie Dodgers for any of us, ever, that's my point!

And yet we send you EVERYTHING! Ungrateful, ungenerous bastards.

Posted by: Jay at May 4, 2010 3:45 PM

Jesus CHRIST I want you all to see what happens in 4 and 5!


!!!!!!!

(as Teen Girl Squad would say: SOOO GOOD!)

Posted by: Jay at May 4, 2010 3:50 PM

(there's someone who doesn't know I'm kidding, isn't there)

Posted by: Jay at May 4, 2010 3:52 PM

I'm sorry, I wasn't listening...

Posted by: Carrie (aka Teabelly) at May 4, 2010 3:53 PM

Okay, several things:

1. If you live in the US and are anywhere near a store called CostPlus or World Market (they have lots of imported teak and wickery-looking furniture in the window), you can find Jammie Dodgers in the food aisle (also Caramel Digestives, Fruit Shortcakes, Bounty Bars, Licorice Allsorts, Wispas, etc.)

2. I think this was a spot-on reference to Churchill's attitude toward winning the war "I would give a favourable reference to the devil". That's how he thought. It was never about liberating Jews or preventing the rise of Germans, etc. Winston Churchill was incredibly single-minded and he cared about winning over everything else (he actually went into a huge mental decline when he lost the election after the war). This single-mindedness served him well in directing the Brit response to the war, but it also enabled him to accept terrible compromises in the pursuit of victory. In fact, even if any of you watched Foyle's War on Sunday, you saw an example of the deals he was willing to go to in order to win. I'm not judging him here: just pointing out that I thought it was very apt.

3. Anyone else get a strange vibe back to that SyFy film about the robot killer alien Nazis fighting in Scotland?

Posted by: PaddyDog at May 4, 2010 4:12 PM

@Chuckwho:

Forgive me, but you really need to get out more.

Posted by: PaddyDog at May 4, 2010 4:15 PM

Well we need something good after that crapisode.

And if the Daleks were going to get turned into Kitchen Aids, couldn't they have had a voice makeover as well. Scary, rather than grating?

Posted by: Cindy at May 4, 2010 4:15 PM

Ahem, when reviewing Doctor Who and describing scenes between the Doctor and a robotic being that can communicate verbally, please refrain from using the verb "to bark" unless the appropriate robotic being is included in the scene. Thank you.

Posted by: K-9 at May 4, 2010 4:18 PM

BWeaves >> Regarding your point 4, that was my same theory about the crack. I can no longer comment on it, as I have watched the Angels two-parter, and we do learn new information about it therein.

BWeaves & Jay >> Re: Encountering the Daleks at different points - Even with time-traveling Daleks, I agree that it would be nice if the Doctor had more encounters at this point that were out of relative chronological order. We did have a taste of that with River Song in the earlier Moffat two-parter, and back in the day it seemed a much more frequent phenomenon (e.g., the Doctors' encountering themselves in various specials).

Chuckwho >> I did have the exact same reaction to the planes. It was a big stretch that went beyond my usual suspension of disbelief. For whatever reason, though, I forgave it as silliness. I think over the last few years Russell T. Davies has gradually transmitted into me some sort of partial immunity to excess silliness in Doctor Who. Looking back on my prior demands for the show, it's frankly rather disturbing, even if back then my eye was not nearly as scrutinizing. I ask your forgiveness for my new threshold. Beyond that, I thought the acting carried the episode and managed to compensate for the shortcomings.

Re: Fig Newtons and Jammie Dodgers >> I was aware that Fig Newtons are rectangular, but the nature of the material that comprised the Doctor's self-destruct device did seem Fig Newton in texture. Additionally, I didn't know if there might exist round Fig Newtons somewhere. I am a sheltered American with no exposure to these things called "Jammie Dodgers." I have just now Googled them and increased my knowledge.

If anyone would like to send Jammie Dodgers to my home address so that I might sample them, please feel free to do so. If you'd like to deliver some Jelly Babies as well, I'll eat those too.

Posted by: C. Robert Dimitri at May 4, 2010 4:22 PM

K - 9 >>

LOL

As you wish.

:- )

Posted by: C. Robert Dimitri at May 4, 2010 4:24 PM

OK, I liked it with two notable exceptions:

1. Amy's boots were atrocious.
2. The iDaleks (props to the nickname. Does it make the Dalek in Dalek with Rose an iDalek Touch?)

But overall, I thought the emphasis on what everyone is worked well. The idea of man vs. machine, Doctor vs. Dalek, Churchill not caring about what things are so long as they are not Nazis -- it was all about identity. SPOILERS!!! For those of you who have seen the newest two: I think the series is continuing along that line, exploring who Amy is and, really, who the Doctor is (In the most recent episode, Amy really pushes that question). There's the idea of who River is tied up in there too. Yay overarching themes!

Posted by: esme at May 4, 2010 4:31 PM

If you live in the US and are anywhere near a store called CostPlus or World Market

More esoteric hoop-jumping!

Don't you people understand how bored we are of being the only (cultural) imperialists left?

I guess the "reference to the devil" line is true? Or is it just a common legend? I saw Ken Follett use it the other week. Mark Gatiss did say he went with "Print The Legend". It's been pointed out that Churchill wasn't that fat (and with a bit of Patton Oswalt's "Fat Man Voice"), but otherwise I don't think it was a bad portrayal. It'll always be hard not to see Mr. McNeice as Vladimir Harkonnen though.

He was also a depressive brat, but the brass, up and down, in WWII were such a pack o' catty-ass bitches it's a wonder anything got won. None of them had Winnie's eloquence though.


Also, I am not seeing any actor praise here, ya silly cranks.

Posted by: Jay at May 4, 2010 4:31 PM

Oh! One more thing about my rambling thing up there. For the last few seasons, there characters haven't undergone much significant change. Yes, Ten was all about learning the limits of his character, but that's the thing -- he was exploring the limits. I think Eleven will be about the possibilities of the character. Ten was so strong a force that he was absolutely an established character. Donna and Martha, too, were relatively fixed characters with a strong personalities. So the youth we're getting with this Doctor and companion are, I think, a way of incorporating some serious character development through a season. Not necessarily bildungsroman, but a search for identity that is easier with young people.

Jay: Too fat. It was distracting. Also, you watched a movie version of Dune? I'm so sorry. Wait, was it good? Because if it was really good...well, I'll be astounded. Then elated.

Posted by: esme at May 4, 2010 4:39 PM

It'll always be hard not to see Mr. McNeice as Vladimir Harkonnen though.
Posted by: Jay at May 4, 2010 4:31 PM

And it'll be hard not to hold that against him.

And nothing more needs to be said about biplanes (in spaaaaAAAAAAaaaaaace!). Who fans will accept a great deal of cockery, but not that. Never that.

I mean, c'mon, the Doctor didn't even wave around his sonic screwdriver over them which is how the showrunners typically tell us to shut the fuck up and watch the damn show.

Posted by: coryo at May 4, 2010 4:41 PM

Winston Churchill was fat. By today's standards he was clinically obese and porky. By the standards of the times he lived in he was morbidly obese. Especially when you consider he was the guy urging everyone else to live on a slice of turnip a week, he seemed to be somewhat better fed than 90% of the nation, including the guys who were doing the actual fighting.

Posted by: PaddyDog at May 4, 2010 4:46 PM

Now, now....those were monoplanes.

Wait, was it good? Because if it was really good...well, I'll be astounded.

Well, that was the miniseries version, which, you know, was pretty good. The movie is CLASSIC.

But I can tell you're just like my mother, I'm not gonna claim that you'd agree.

Posted by: Jay at May 4, 2010 4:47 PM

These recaps have made me really interested in this show. I was just wondering (since you all seen very well acquainted with this series) where you recommend I start watching? With the David Tennant stuff or earlier?

Posted by: freckles at May 4, 2010 4:53 PM

I've said it before: we need a permanent link to BWeaves' guide to "when to start watching Doctor Who"

Posted by: PaddyDog at May 4, 2010 4:56 PM

I repeat; the Daleks (and the Cybermen for that matter) are used far too often and need to go underground- temporally speaking.

In the seven year reign of Tom Baker's Fourth Doctor he had but TWO Dalek stories and only one Cybermen story. His predacesor Jon Pertwee had three Dalek stories in five years and ZERO Cybermen stories. It should also be noted that when Pertwee had his first Dalek story they had been away for five years.

In addition, there have been far too many stories where the Doctor has bumped into previous enemies. In the 21st Century series we've seen the return of not only the Daleks and Cybermen, but The Nestene Consciousness, the Sontarans, Macra and the Master and it seems that trend is continuing this year as well with the Daleks, the Weeping Angels, the Silurians and perhaps the Rani. To that I call Bullshit. I'm all for the occasional trip down Enemy Memory Lane, but to merely rest of revisiting a handful of nemeses over all of space and time seems quite limited. In RTD's defense he did introduce some new enemies too, it would just be nice if we could avoid reunions for a while.

Is it too much to ask that the Doctor just go out and about the universe and meet some new forms of evil? I realize producers can be a bit cowardly in trying out something new rather than just falling back on an established and reliable baddie. But as others have pointed out, if you overuse an adversary you run a very serious risk of burnout.

I say take a risk Mr. Moffett. Bring us something we've not seen before. Nostalgia only goes so far. If I see a story with the Daleks in it- I pretty much know the drill; yeah yeah, killer pepper mills, "Exterminate, Exterminate", plunge your toilet, "put him in the curry", blah, blah, blah. Rather than bringing us a story where the Doctor (and the audience) already know who they're dealing with, bring us someone where we're all trying to figure out who the enemy is. If you need further proof, I would argue that the best Doctor Who adventures for the most part involve menaces we only see one time and never again. My prediction is the "Victory of the Daleks" will be considered the weakest episode of the season.

Posted by: bleujayone at May 4, 2010 5:01 PM

But I can tell you're just like my mother

I'm going to take that as a compliment and assume that your mother is a brilliant, gorgeous twenty-something who doesn't happen to like unfaithful movie adaptations.

freckles, either start with series 1 (Eccleston) or series 3 (Tennat with Martha) or this series. I recommend series 1. It's not that long, and becomes important in character building. Just bear with Eccleston -- he might be a bit weird, but it's good weird. And it's worth it to get a better perspective on the fantabulous Tennant.

Posted by: esme at May 4, 2010 5:07 PM

You know I'm a little torn on the old versus new enemy debate. On the one hand, I don't ever need to see another Cyberman. On the other hand, if new enemies comprise The Slitheen and their ilk, I'll happily shut up and deal with the Cybermen.

Posted by: PaddyDog at May 4, 2010 5:13 PM

(Sarcasm font on) RE: Nostalgia.

You know who I'd like to see back? The Thals. They were the original opponents of the the Daleks. They were, and I normally don't go this route, the queerest aliens of all time. Humanoid, blond, pacifist, nomadic farmers with bleached blond surfer hair, lace up vests and assless chaps. And they lisped. I'm not making this up. I really miss the Doctor trying to turn them into soldiers.

(Sarcasm font off)

Yeah, I'd like to see some new enemies, and just bring back an old one every few years, not every couple of episodes.

Posted by: BWeaves at May 4, 2010 5:23 PM

BWeaves:

Do you think many people read past "assless chaps"?

Posted by: PaddyDog at May 4, 2010 5:29 PM

I thought the Thals were rather progressive for 1963 TV. I still marvel at how they got them past the censors. I think the censors were so bothered by the Daleks that they didn't really look at the design of the Thals.

Posted by: BWeaves at May 4, 2010 5:35 PM

BWeaves:

I see them as belonging to the fine tradition of Hancock's Half Hour, Round the Horne (remember Julian and Sandy?) and other devilishly clever characters designed specifically to fool the BBC censors.

Posted by: PaddyDog at May 4, 2010 5:42 PM

with bleached blond surfer hair, lace up vests and assless chaps. And they lisped.

They wore clingy rubber pants too, which Barbara wore a big long baggy shirt over. Hiding her light under a bushel, she was.

Yes, I am smitten with Barbara Wright. But then, I'm sane and straight.

Posted by: Jay at May 4, 2010 6:02 PM

This episode was an absolute abomination. Decent acting and a couple of amusing moments aside, nothing justified the need for this episode to be made in the first place. Reintroducing the Daleks this early on was a grave mistake. I know, Moffat's trying to justify the direction he's taking the show or whatever, but like a previous commenter said, having them back so soon, and in an episode this bad just makes people sick of them. The most aggravating thing is, in the right hands, the Daleks can be quite a creepy and effective villain. They're just scenery here, especially with that ghastly redesign at the end. Who the fuck wanted multicolored Daleks with badonkadonks?!

My biggest complaint has to be the pace of the episode, though. It just moved WAY too fast. Had this been an Old Series-style multi-parter (or simply the kind of two-parter we already see in this version of the show), we could've gotten some more period detail, a better reveal of the Daleks' true nature (and more to make us think the Doctor could be wrong), and some more interaction between the Doc and Amy, who I felt were somehow underused throughout the whole thing.

Ugh, just awful. What a waste. But as many others here already said, the next two episodes are quite good, though I have my problems with those as well.

Posted by: vic at May 4, 2010 6:23 PM

Oh god, this HAD to come up on a day when I’ve had 3 hours sleep. I had my rants all lined up and now they are completely scattered. From memory it had something to do with shitty dialogue, a laughable dogfight involving apparently spaceworthy WWII fighter planes and a denouement stolen from fucking Pinocchio. You can do SO much better guys.

And I don’t care what they do to the Daleks. You can stick them in multicoloured maternity dresses, give them platform shoes and pink eye, but you CANNOT make them any more than campy throwbacks to please old school Doctor Who fans (or not in this case). If I were to sell the virtues of the current Doctor to someone unfamiliar, I would steer them well away from anything involving either the Daleks or the Cybermen. The new Doctor is at it’s best when it is writing engaging pop science fiction- ie the stuff Moffat is usually so good at- not when it is playing pantomime with expressionless one note villains whose primary value is nostalgia rather than dramatic heft.

Posted by: Squirrelgripper at May 4, 2010 6:58 PM

Yeah, this episode was horrid. I am the Doctor, I stand around and talk while my arch enemy doesn't shoot me. It's like the slow kill from James Bond movies. One shot from a Dalek, he is standing right in front of you for fucks sake. And don't even get me started on the iDarleks, though the humor I have over the name almost makes up for the pain they cause.

Anyhow, the next two are so good. The Angles didn't really scare me in Blink, but I got it this time. Gods, they were good. Spoiler, I even liked the Angels having a voice through Angel Bob. Can't wait till those get recapped here.

Posted by: Morgan LaFai at May 4, 2010 8:33 PM

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA NOTHING TO SEE IN THAT POST ABOVE!!!!

Posted by: Jay at May 4, 2010 8:58 PM

Come on Jay, I said spoiler.

Posted by: Morgan LaFai at May 4, 2010 9:14 PM

Well, you can't say it in the same sentece in the same paragraph.

Posted by: Jay at May 4, 2010 9:18 PM

When in doubt of posting something with a potential spoiler, it's best to take the Pixar's "UP" approach.

By that I mean if you're gonna say something that might potentially be a

SPOILER!!!

..give ample warning so the rest of us can turn our heads to avoid it if need be. We see the warning and have opportunity to stop. If we continue to read, it's now our own damn

SPOILER!!!

...fault.

Posted by: bleujayone at May 4, 2010 9:47 PM

Apologies all around. I am rarely in a position to spoiler anything and was not up on the proper protocol. I was under the impression that including the word before the thought was enough. If I could repost I most certainly would.

With that in mind.

SPOILER!!

The next two stories are awesome and I am a big fan of Angel Bob.

Posted by: Morgan LaFai at May 4, 2010 9:53 PM

Ok I know I'm late to the party but I have to say, I've been going back and watching some Tom Baker episodes recently and people are getting way too picky here. That was some campy, cheesy stuff. Although I do love him busting out the sonic screwdriver to break a window. But oh man I am watching the Key To Time series and the writing is awesome (Romana is the shit!) but nobody is quibbling about this science (or the alien, blood-sucking, moving polystyrene rocks. Um yeah, very scary, moving on now).

And yes this was a cheesy ep and not one of my favorites, but the next two really do make up for it. And leave EVEN MORE unanswered questions. In a good way. So I'm still in.

Posted by: Anne (in Reno) at May 4, 2010 10:31 PM

Fair enough, fair enough, Ms. Morgan, I'm a big fan too.

Posted by: Jay at May 4, 2010 10:58 PM

I can't understand the tantrums, and I won't respond to them.

@Bweaves, I also had a funny feeling about the concurrency of this episode with the original universe. I mean, aren't Captain Jack, Rose, and Eccleston parked somewhere around Big Ben with empty children roaming about? I am under no illusions that any of those actors have been cast in any episodes this season, but I wouldn't mind seeing the ole cats bouncing around some episode even if "Journey's End" was a glorious mess on that end.

Anyway, I like you're theory, and if it's not that the TARDIS is creating these cracks by traveling around because of the regeneration problem in "Eleventh Hour" or that Amy is some sort of Bad Wolf in her own right( I mean, I could totally see her being some sort of weird displaced princess a la Rosario Dawson in MIB2-furthermore, Moffat stealing from MIB2) I am happy to hear more about it.

btw, that Dr and Amy didn't hide Bracewell somewhere in the future on another planet where his tech would be timeworn into safety was my biggest quibble with "VOTD."

For the spazbots, you do know that most of the first season is already shot and done with, right?

Posted by: Jackseppelin at May 5, 2010 12:08 AM

oops. I said first season.

It does feel like a reboot.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at May 5, 2010 12:14 AM

Jackseppelin: Well, Moffat is trying to market this series as a "new series one," though I think it's a pretty stupid thing to do. We already grumbled about that in another thread though. JUst to reiterate, everyone except Moffat is calling it Series 5, because we all fucking remember Series 4. I don't care how much you're 'rebooting' it, it wasn't that long ago, Steve.

Posted by: vic at May 5, 2010 5:35 AM

“It’s Series Thirty-One of Doctor Who, and it’s Series One of Matt Smith’s Doctor, Those are both real numbers. I submit that ‘Series Five of Doctor Who’ means absolutely nothing unless you really believe that Matt Smith is the third Doctor.
Everyone knows he’s the Eleventh Doctor so that means it’s definitely not ‘Series Five’. Whichever number you choose, ‘Series Five’ is the one that’s flawed.”

Posted by: Jay at May 5, 2010 9:09 AM

@Paddy: go lick yourself, sweetie.

@Jacksepplin: With all due respect to you, I disagree. I don't think reacing to poorly done work is a tantrum. Particularly considering some of the reviews on this site. And really if this had been a movie with the micro time frame to creat the gravity bubbles this site wouldn't even review it. Asylum films does better work.

@Anne: Fair enough, and well cited, but here is a question for you. Did the episodes get more cheesey and less science based as Baker came into his own? Just a question, but could it be that the better a Dr. is (excluding Smith as he is new) the worse the plots get?

Does anyone know if with Tenant some of the later plots were more cheese fests and less science. Your thoughts?

Posted by: Chuckwho at May 5, 2010 9:34 AM

spoiler...


i made him say...'comfy chairs'.... >:)

Posted by: kikz at May 5, 2010 9:49 AM

I love cheesy SciFi. But I like it better when they don't obviously break the laws of physics.

Posted by: BWeaves at May 5, 2010 10:32 AM

Jay: Yeah, I know that quote. I still say Bullshit. BULLSHIT, Moffat. Series One is more egregious than Series 5 by your logic as it would imply Smith is the first Doctor. Also, it's Series 5 of this fucking production. It's 31 of the canon, 5th of this series, 1st IN NO LOGICAL WAY WHATSOEVER.

Posted by: vic at May 5, 2010 1:41 PM

People are so touchy.

Posted by: Jay at May 5, 2010 4:31 PM

Yeah, maybe. There are bigger and better things to get worked up about, but it just seems so arrogant of Moffat to insist that what he's doing means that everyone watching should start thinking of it as Series 1 even though the show really isn't be rebooted, just redesigned, and under the same production as the last 4-5 years as well. The reason he gives is ludicrous; nobody renumbered a season when the lead actor changed in the old series! Granted, the situation is different here, as series 4 and 5 aren't consecutive, but it was only in the space of one year, there were episodes, and they actually bridge the two series.

Furthermore, I'll bet 99.9% of the people watching call it "Series 5," and not necessarily because they remember the first four, but because it's hard not to refer to it like that when the other series 1 was so recent. The DVD release will say Series 5. The TV listings will probably also say Series 5, e.g. "Series 5, Episode 2," etc. If they don't, they'll probably confuse people into thinking they're referring to 2005, even if they denote "(2010)". It just makes MORE SENSE.

Really, I think he's just being presumptuous. The more I read or see of Moffat in interviews, the more arrogant and increasingly conceited he seems. He may write good episodes, but he has a bit of an ego problem.

But whatever. If I talk to someone and they refer to the current series as 1, I might bristle at first, and maybe roll my eyes when they're not looking, but I'll live. It just strikes me as friggin' unnecessary.

Posted by: vic at May 5, 2010 7:10 PM

Helpful review. Thx so much. Indeed, it often appears you're writing for the cyber-breezes…. then, a person will probably leave a brief review that basically connects one to the outside world therefore you know you have been in a community.

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