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Two Tragedies of Comedy, Act I

“Lucky Louie” / The TV Whore

June 20, 2006

TV Reviews | June 20, 2006 | Comments (39)


My original goal this week was to write “The State of Summer TV.” But I’m going to have to save my praise of “Rescue Me,” “Deadwood” and “Entourage” for another day (and if you missed the last season of “The Wire,” that should be on your Sunday night HBO lineup as well). Ditto for my borderline animosity toward “Windfall,” my indifference to “Last Comic Standing,” and my slight anticipation of “Rock Star” (July 5, CBS), “Brotherhood” (July 9, Showtime), and “The Office” webisodes (July 13, NBC.com). The reason for the change in direction is HBO’s other new shows, “Lucky Louie” and “Dane Cook’s Tourgasm.” As I was watching them both, sitting in a fluctuating state of loathing and boredom, I found my thoughts drifting to the nature of comedy in general and stand-up comedy in particular. So with this column as well as my next one, that’s what I’m going to be talking about, within the context of “Lucky Louie” this week and “Tourgasm” next week. It’s a little self-indulgent, perhaps, and you can feel free to flame me in the comments, but fuck it — it’s my column.

Now I’ll acknowledge right off the bat that comedy is subjective. To my mind, it’s probably one of the most subjective of the art forms. You need look no further than the just-vomited-on-the-public Nacho Libre. While I loathed it from the first moment I heard of it, I had several friends wildly anticipating it, and when I saw the trailer my groans were entirely outweighed by the majority’s laughter. Or take “Arrested Development,” which myself and others loved dearly, but which the vast majority of television watchers couldn’t give two shits about. So I acknowledge that I may not find funny the same shit you find funny, and vice versa. I just happen to be right, and you happen to be wrong.

… just kidding. Sort of.

Also, at the outset, let me make it clear that I don’t think comedy is easy. Comedic writing is fucking hard, be it jokes, monologues, stories, whatever. And pulling off a good comedy performance, either acting or stand-up routines, is just as hard (albeit for very different reasons). Back in my L.A. days, I was friends with a few low-low-low-level stand-ups and ended up going to several open-mike and low-rent comedy shows. Watching the amount of crap there, as well as watching the few folks with potential working to hone their material and approaches, really emphasized this idea. And then it was brought home, with an exclamation point, at the funniest comedy show I’ve ever been to. It was at an L.A. hole-in-the-wall that comedians often use as a testing ground for new material. Among others, that night I saw David Cross, Sarah Silverman, Patton Oswalt, and Doug Benson. In addition to doing some regular bits, they were all trying out new material, much of it still written on little notebook pages or cocktail napkins. And I specifically remember David Cross going through one bit that fell totally flat. I’m talking crickets and tumbleweed. And there are only about 50 people in this small but fairly well-lit place, so he can see every face staring blankly at him. He just looked at his paper, looked out at us, said “well that fucking sucked,” and crumpled up the page. So even for those who know what they’re doing and are good at it, it’s a hard process.

Louis C.K. is one of those comedians who have gotten good at stand-up. I’ve watched several of his acts on various shows, and he always has me in hysterics. So I was totally psyched over the impending arrival of his new show “Lucky Louie,” HBO’s first multi-camera studio sitcom. But while his stand-up is hilarious, and his writing chops are clearly top notch (he even has an Emmy under his belt from his days writing “The Chris Rock Show”), man alive does this show blow. And there are two reasons, I think, why it doesn’t work.

First, there’s the language. Now I’m certainly not a prude about language. It’ll come as no surprise to regular readers (or even just those paying attention to the cusses that’ve already flown in this column) that I’m often described as having a trucker mouth. In fact, my father even scolded me for cussing too much in the house at last year’s Thanksgiving dinner. So I’m not offended or bothered by the show’s incessant use of vulgarity, but it just doesn’t work. For one thing, it’s distracting as hell. While attempting to make their dialogue sound more “natural” because they can say “fuck” and “shit,” it all just feels overly unnecessary, indulgent and cheap. And it certainly doesn’t have to — take, for example, “Deadwood.” I can’t think of any show, ever, that’s had more profanity, but I love those cocksuckers’ dialogue. The language is used artfully, giving an ambiance to the setting and helping to define the characters. It adds to the show’s style. But with “Lucky,” it’s just distracting and detracting.

I recently watched a great BBC show that someone chopped up and put on YouTube, “Ricky Gervais Meets Larry David”. One of the many things Ricky and Larry talked about was the use of vulgarity in comedy and how good comedy shouldn’t always go for the crutch of the automatic laugh that comes with a “shit” or “fuck.” Sure, there are times they go for the cuss-related laugh — for example, they discussed the hilarious season finale of “Curb Your Enthusiasm” where Larry’s new restaurant turned into maelstrom of vulgarities thanks to the new chef’s Tourette’s Syndrome. But going that route is the exception to the rule on “Curb,” which actually makes it funnier when they go there. When a show’s dialogue is simply littered with vulgarity for no apparent reason other than that because it can be, as it is with Louie and Company, its actually pretty grating. “I can cuss? Well, wait till these fuckers see how much I can throw into a 30-minute show. Fuck yeah. … cunt.”

The second, and larger, problem with the show is its overall feel and structure — its vibe. It comes off like quick and cheap skit versions of his act, and everything is getting lost in the translation. The “plotlines” themselves, like this week’s “my wife doesn’t orgasm,” are tired and have been rehashed an innumerable number of times. So they feel like nothing more than a vaginal receptacle within which he can insert the penile jokes from his act. And those jokes, while often downright hilarious in his act, fall like dead weights within the context of the show.

Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David did an unquestionably incredible job of creating a show that retained and was truthful to the nature and tone of their acts while being an independent and quality show in its own right. Ever since, comedians and the networks seem to think that any stand-up can readily and easily be translated into a successful sitcom, which we have learned time and time again simply isn’t true. “Seinfeld” and “Everybody Loves Raymond” (while I never loved it, it certainly was a hit) are the exceptions to the rule. For every “Home Improvement” (not really a good show, but don’t forget that it was a big hit for a while there and, admittedly, it did an excellent job of morphing jailbird Tim Allen’s act into a workable, though repetitive, show) there are a dozen steaming piles of “Norm,” “Titus,” and “Boston Common.” And “Lucky Louie” fits squarely within that latter category.

One of my favorite stand-ups, Patton Oswalt (who appears on “The King of Queens”), has discussed the issue of comedians and sitcoms and has said that for him and his friends, the sitcom isn’t the goal, it’s simply a means to allowing them to continue doing their stand-up (by putting money in their pockets and giving them wider exposure). I have absolutely no problem with that, even if you want to call it, to some degree, selling out (though I would differ on the point). But what I do have a problem with is that I think many folks over the last decade have gotten involved in stand-up not to be stand-ups, but to land a sitcom. I’m particularly reminded of the loathsomely unfunny Dat Phan, winner of the original “Last Comic Standing,” who didn’t try to hide the fact that this was exactly why he was doing comedy. This type of mentality hurts the quality of the sitcoms that ultimately get stuffed down our throats and it especially hurts the quality of stand-up comedy. While these folks may work on their stage presence, delivery and charisma (where and when they actually have some form of these things to work on in the first place), they neglect their material.

I’ll again turn to Ricky Gervais, who told Larry David about going to see an L.A. comedy show the night before their interview. He was struck by how interchangeable each comedian was. Everyone used “what the fuck?!” as their repeated punchline, and the general gist of everyone’s act was “my ethnicity is fill-in-the-blank, and my parents didn’t want me to be a stand-up comedian because … retch.” Now, the notion of mining your own personal history is certainly an important component of good comedy, but you’ve got to make it unique by inserting your perspective and giving the story a voice. And that’s one of those things about comedy that I was specifically referring to when I acknowledged just how fucking hard it is to do well. But those with sitcom glints in their eyes skip this necessary and often grueling stage of the process. I don’t necessarily think they’re lazy (not all of them, anyway), I just think they’re taking the easy way out because the endgame has changed. And that’s certainly not their fault. That’s the damn networks’ fault for plugging it into our heads that “stand-up comedy equals sitcom.”

However, there’s hope on the horizon. If you look over the sitcom landscape, with the exception of “Everybody Hates Chris,” the crop of the truly quality shows aren’t coming from the “based on my act” angle, they’re coming from the angle of plot and characters and good fucking writing. “Entourage,” “The Office,” “Scrubs,” and “My Name is Earl” all come from this place, and that’s certainly an encouraging trend, both for sitcoms and, ultimately, for stand-ups. In fact, when HBO advertises “Lucky Louie” as “the death of the sitcom as you know it,” I don’t think they realize how prescient they may actually be.

Next Week: With Dane Cook as our tour guide and, if we can overcome the boredom, we’ll delve a bit deeper into the world of stand-up comedy and hopefully come out relatively unscathed.

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Seth Freilich is Pajiba’s television columnist. He lives in Washington, D.C., and couldn’t be happier that summer “intern season” is finally here.








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i agree with most of your analysis,however i have seen 4 or 5 hates chris while it maybe cute and the new cosbie show the show fuckin blows so hard that it sucks. oh yeah my name is earl i like jason lee a funny guy usually jaimie pressley sp? is fuckin hot you dont know how many times ive done the 5 knuckle shuffle but that show is almost almost unbearable. only if its on anddim still awakwe fro m my last hitof mexican mud i then may watch it

Posted by: john cuipka at June 20, 2006 11:04 AM

Yeah, yeah. I liked Titus. Hmph.

It's too bad, because Louis' stand-up killed me. (Hell, even watching him on the Daily Show made me laugh), but I agree with you. Swearing's all fine and good (my mother would tell you I could outswear a trucker)(which is, evidently not good for a lady.), but swearing for the sake of swearing is just..well, like you said, distracting.

If Rescue Me, with Denis (F-cking) Leary doesn't need to curse every other (f-cking) word, should a 'sitcom'?

"is fuckin hot you dont know how many times ive done the 5 knuckle shuffle but that show is almost almost unbearable. only if its on anddim still awakwe fro m my last hitof mexican mud i then may watch it"

.....wow. Seriously, john. I've had four hours of sleep, and I've still come across as more coherent than you have.

Really, the only sitcoms I even bother with since AD got the boot are the Office and Earl. (And a Canadian one called Corner Gas). But a Dane Cook show? I'm there.

Posted by: Mara at June 20, 2006 11:12 AM

I totally agree with your analysis TV Whore, and I'd like to add another reason why the majority of sitcoms based on stand-ups don't work; because most stand-ups have WAY too high an opinion of themselves, and their appeal to audiences. Many are inherently selfish from an acting stand point, and as a result they feel a need to be the center of EVERY scene, so the entire show ends up being a bloated ego trip.

Damn, I sound a bit bitter... I'm not, I just spent a few years dating a would-be comic, and those are my observations from the inside.

Posted by: redkitten at June 20, 2006 11:51 AM

Yay! a fan of corner gas!!! On the Canadian Comedy Central channel there is a weekly show called Comics that features one Canadian stand-up comic for an hour and they are consistantly very funny. There are also shows taken from Montreal's Just for Laughs festival that feature both American and Canadian comics that are also great for a laugh and if you are in the mood for a little down east flavour there are also shows from the Halifax comedy festival. All and all, for a smaller market, I would have to say that Canadian standup is alive and well, so if you need to come over a borrow a cup of funny, we would be glad to have you! :)

Posted by: Zanna at June 20, 2006 12:43 PM

Yeah, Zanna, but we also get bombed with way too many Air Farce reruns, and Comedy At Club 54 reruns. A lot of the Just for Laughs are great, though. (And hey! No more Mike Bullard!)

Posted by: Mara at June 20, 2006 12:49 PM

Glad to see you have the same take as me. I was very disappointed in the premiere ep. I'm not familiar with the guy's standup so I didn't even have that to influence my opinion.

It was interesting to see Louie on the Daily Show. I had the sound muted with the closed captioning going, and even that was funnier than the sitcom. Jon Stewart seemed completely thrilled at the prospects for this show - but it came across as just an adolescent rush at seeing something "dirty".

I can't wait to hear your take-down of the Dane Cook show. I have heard his standup, was totally stoked for this, but man, what a dud...thekeez

Posted by: Jeff Keezel at June 20, 2006 12:49 PM

I freakin LOVE Dane Cook and even if he took a dookie on stage I would love it. Sadly I don't have HBO so I have to wait til the DVD release of Tourgasm to enjoy the hijinx.

SU-FI to all 'yall~

Posted by: Targetgirl at June 20, 2006 1:32 PM

Lucky Louie looked about as funny as a colonic. If I'm going to give up time at the bar for a show, it's gotta be great from the preview. This one, not so much.

Posted by: Kitty X at June 20, 2006 5:12 PM

Louie C.K.'s stand-up is so funny it's painful, and that's the problem. I agree that it doesn't relate well to a sitcom, but I'm willing to ride along and see if they move on to fresh, new material that resembles a plot. And hey, if they keep dredging up his bits forever, we can patiently wait for his comeback stand up special in 2009.
Dane Cook? I saw him in Vegas last year. Wow. So this is what's funny? I was squirming in my seat while drunk frat boys shrieked their undying love from the fourth row. Give me stand up talents like Louie, George Carlin, Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock and Sarah Silverman, and fuck all those no-talent 'tards on Last Comic Standing!

Posted by: Kballs at June 20, 2006 6:08 PM

The Jeff Foxworthy Show. Live with the flashbacks, if you can.

I've only sporadically enjoyed Dane Cook's comedy. We'll see about his show. I'd do him, though.

Posted by: MaiGirl at June 20, 2006 6:09 PM

hey Zanna, a friend of mine who works in the film/TV biz says the set of Corner Gas is actually a lot like what redkitten described. Apparently everyone on that show thinks they are the star.

In a way I'm happy for Russell Peters now that he is in the States and getting noticed, but I'm also sad because when he comes back to Canada his live shows are really expensive!

Posted by: Karina at June 20, 2006 6:33 PM

Good review!...I don't have HBO, but there seems to be a trend towards 1 hour long sitcoms on TV general, where the comedian does stand up just to get a sitcom...and there are SO MANY that do...the shows end up sucking cause their schtick just doesn't translate well into an hour long thing (I positively dread Kathy Griffin's latest attempts at this on Bravo no doubt!)...note, the only series that has worked out lately for a comedian is/was Dave Chappelle and he decided to forgo the 50 million dollar contract he had with Comedy Central last year because they probably were being evil with him...he doesn't find the whole LA scene very appealing (in fact according to an interview, he detests it), and I find what he's done really honorable...I love his stand up, and he made the best decision to focus on a show based on skits with music instead of doing sitcoms like Damon Wayans and Chris Rock have done...the dude's got talent there's no denying it...there's a certain comedic death when it comes to sitcoms, SO FEW are funny, I still watch the old stand bys, like The Simpsons, Seinfeld and Arrested Development, which was one of the few recent comedy sitcoms that had some bite to it besides The Office. Problem is, we need to find new sources of comedic originality, and much of this can be found in the new talent, besides all the swearing, there's something called timing and creativity that Dave Chappelle knows so well and that many comedians of color imitate (Carlos Mencia for example). Sure, not everyone finds Chappelle funny, but crossing the line in terms of racial and social humor, that he and the creators of South Park have done...there's a certain absolute joy in it...and I think that's what's missing from comedy in general...

Posted by: Gina at June 20, 2006 7:19 PM

So my instincts were right, it does blow. The previews suck and it turned me off of this show instantly.

Posted by: Candy at June 20, 2006 8:11 PM

Hmmm,

Too bad about the stars of 'Corner Gas', I guess you can Go Hollywood on limited budgets up here too. Still like the show though.

Having limited access to the work of Louis C.K., I've been able to laugh at his stand up, but don't have to apparently suffer through his show. I've heard the words 'Pootie Tang', but haven't seen the film. Maybe that's all the C.K. I need

Posted by: M at June 20, 2006 9:08 PM

I have seen Dane Cook. He made me laugh a couple times.

Here's the problem I have with this Tourgasm thing, sight unseen: Patton Oswalt and several other comedians DID THIS F*CKING IDEA last year on Comedy Central. Don't the people at HBO watch television?

It was not consistently hilarious but it was pretty damn funny, and the cinema-verite view of "life on the road" was often fascinating.

So I've already seen the brilliant Patton Oswalt do an on-the-road documentary--why the hell would I sit still for a rehash done by Dane Cook, of all people?

Posted by: Jerce at June 20, 2006 9:49 PM

another comedian who doesn't lean on the cuss-crutch is Jim Gaffigan. Although, I am pretty sure he's not going to go on some Palegasm Bus Tour.


I had high hopes for both tourgasm and lucky louie, now, well - now I can go to bed earlier on Sunday nights, so I guess that's the upside to their steaming piles on HBO

Posted by: gigglechick at June 21, 2006 7:56 AM

Lucky Louie -- so glad you wrote about this. I decided to give this show a shot since I think he is so funny. For someone who can curse a mile a minute, the set-up (which makes it look like they are on a stage), combined with the foul language was, without a doubt a turn-off. Great review.

Posted by: Maria at June 21, 2006 9:20 AM

Stand-up just seems so tough to me. I love watching it when it goes well and, seriously, want the floor to open when it doesn't. Despite his frat boy following, I find Dane Cook hysterical for the most part. He blew everybody off the stage when he was on Saturday Night Live (I'm lookin' at you, Sanz).

Posted by: Samantha T at June 21, 2006 11:12 AM

Second show of Lucky Louis was a lot better than the first, a couple of LOL moments, but defo could be better.

Posted by: Iain at June 21, 2006 3:11 PM

Dear GOD, john cuipka -- punctuation is your motherfucking FRIEND, dude -- and OURS.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at June 21, 2006 3:48 PM

I just hate sitcoms with a few exceptions, but even those exceptions don't get me to watch them. Stand up is even spottier. 90% of the time I just don't find comics funny.... it all feels too contrived, their delivery is formulaic or energetic in a way that makes me want to take a nap. However, I do consistently enjoy Robert Schimmel. I don't know what it would take for me to actually watch a sitcom, but what they've got going on now isn't it (Arrested Development aside). Thanks for the review, TV Whore, and while you are always enjoyable I wasn't going to watch these shows anyway.

Posted by: tknocks at June 21, 2006 4:19 PM

I was just going to say something Maryscott, but you said it all and more!

Posted by: Kat at June 21, 2006 6:53 PM

OK, I like Dane Cook just as much as the next guy, but I must say that I was THOROUGHLY disappointed with the episodes I've seen thus far of Tourgasm. It just doesn't work... the only way that I would watch it again is if Robert Kelly would kick the whiny bitch Jay Davis out of the tourbus while it's moving. I sense a bit of a princess coming out in Dane that I really don't like, as though he's doing all of his friends a big f$%king favor by having them go on this tour with him and we, the meager viewers, should feel so honored to be allowed a glimpse into his world. The bits that they highlight from the comedy acts also fall flat- I was bored with the first episode, and took this show quickly off the TiVo favs list. A sad, sad disappointment. I can't wait to read what Seth has to say about this pathetic excuse for a show.

Posted by: Brooke at June 21, 2006 11:20 PM

Lucky Louie is primarily just dull. Hollywood lighting, predictable situations, the usual unlikely friends. But the references to Louie's personal hygiene et al make me sick to my stomach. I physically can't watch this tripe.
Also, clear something up for me. Is Entourage a comedy? Piven is a genius and i'd watch him in an elementary school Christmas pageant, but WTF is it with the rest of those creeps? That said, I watch it because what else is on.

Posted by: carl orff at June 22, 2006 8:11 PM

Seeing Louis on the Daily Show it seemed like even he was appologizing for how bad his show was going to be. He's been one of my fav comics for a couple years now, but this show just didn't seem like him. Dane Cook is the Nickleback of Stand up comedy. I'll leave it.

have you seen Dog Bites Man? While it's not hilarious Zack Galifinakis makes the show worth it alone.

Posted by: Kyle Martin at June 23, 2006 2:26 AM

clearly mara you have no idea what mexican mud is . partially why my phd is taking so long. its hard to be coherent and have conversations with samuel coleridge if mara you get the reference, which you didnt the first time. the next time ill have to actually email and tell you whats up

Posted by: jc at June 23, 2006 6:49 AM

mary oconnel or pick your irish name refer to my review of maras comments. actually to all you fuck heads there was a tyime in the english language when there wasnt any and at one time there were no breaks in the fucking words so before if any of you half wite decide to berate on grammar go fuck yourself first then go fuck your mother cuz guess what cuntholes i actually teach for a living. if you havent fucking guessed thsi the internet ots for fuckin idiots i like this one site cuz the guy is funny sometimes about our bullshit culture. so if you need a fuckin program to read between the lines go complain to your congressmen. thankfully i actually came from a country where they have education.

Posted by: john cuipka at June 23, 2006 6:58 AM

I like "Lucky Louie", but I can see how some people don't. I just like comedies that have a lot of cussing in them. And there aren't many of them. That's how I would talk to my friends and wife. Anyway, hope you don't have the power to get it canceled, I'd hate to have to hurt someone. Enjoy

Posted by: LJ at June 23, 2006 9:11 AM

Dane Cook was funny at first, years ago. Mostly his enegry was amusing. Now it's annoying. I think the only thing that kept me watching was I thought he was hot. I'd let him hit it.

As for Louis CK. I think his show could be better, and I agree that they are a little too liberal with the swear words, even for me. But Louis CK is hilarious, and I'm hoping the show will pull through. I still like it and will continue to watch.

P.S. Fuck Su-Fi.

Posted by: LDB at June 23, 2006 9:12 AM

Come on, Louis is hilarious whatever he does. Last weeks episode was brillant just because a good 8 minutes of the show was him spasming on top of his 'wife'

Its the honeymooners, its all in the family, but with simulated sex -- brilliant!

Posted by: DCB at June 23, 2006 9:59 AM

Does anyone else feel like they are watching reruns of Rosanne but with profanity when Lucky Louie comes on? The first episode was pretty funny, but the last one was very disappointing. The Demi Moore look-alike that plays his wife looks like pocket sized fun, though. I do have a couple of theories on Laura Kightlinger a.k.a. Stone Face. I believe that she doesn't really exist. Her relationship with Jack Black was just publicity to gain credibility in Hollywood for being a real person. I think that a group of NASA scientists created a full body suit for Joan Rivers to make her comeback in. It's highly responsive and life like, and it includes a voice modulator that is stuck on "Dude." Either that or they combined a spliced zygote from Cher and Geena Davis. So either Laura has a zipper on her back or a penis.

Anywho, speaking of ego-maniacal stand ups, Dane Cook has morphed into a soaring phenomenon, but his new material makes the Highway Safety videos from Driver's Ed. look chuckle worthy. I agree his comedy from two, three years ago was funny enough to give an Asian anime fan siezures, but now, not so much. And I hope the next article verbally beats that Emo man-girl, Jay Davis, with a cat-o-nine tails.

In Atlanta last weekend, I was able to catch a couple of comedy shows at a local spot called the Tabernacle. On Friday, Jim Gaffigan did an hour and fifteen minutes of hilarious. On Sunday, Dave Chappelle did about 45 minutes of hilarious followed by 25 minutes of monkey poo flinging crazy. If Dave's sanity were a baseball bat, he just got a slider in on his hands and the barrel is sailing towards third base. When he was funny, he was really funny. Stoned as hell funny, but funny. But when he acted crazy, it was enough to make you check that you still had your wallet in your back pocket. Honestly, Gaffigan's show was worth the $30 ticket. After Dave's, I was really trying to justify $65 for 45 minutes of funny.

Posted by: Poseur Fag at June 23, 2006 11:19 AM

Agreed about the language thing. I swear a lot so I have no problems with it but I remember back in Eddie Murphy's Delirious day and yes, even Richard Pryor, I used to find it annoying when swearing used to be the punchine to an otherwise pedestrian joke instead of an adjective.
THAT is beyond annoying.
That said, I heard Louis CK on Stern's Sirius Show and found him to be a bland personality and his standup act on tv was ok. The HBO show struck me as average at best as a comedy but the first episode reminded me a bit of Roseanne with the way it approached certain topics. I will give it a shot because I saw enough to keep me interested.

Tourgasm on the other hand has the Backdoor Boy of comedy, Dane Cook. I still have to see or hear anything from him that doesnt say 'hack' to me. Yes, he is a handsome man. No, it doesnt affect my judgement either way. I remember the Bill Hicks memorial show in Montreal a few years ago and one of the comics was a cross between Christopher Reeves and Bruce Jenner's hair. And he was pretty good.
No, my problem with Cook is that just like in music world, there are countless of others in his field who are better at what he does except they dont have his mug. Im not sure if the stuff I have seen is new or not but after watching a few specials of his on Youtube and from some p2p sites, I think I gave it more than a fair shake. Average and rehashed bits done with an over the top style which confuses flair with Tom Cruise (which I think is really funny because his Cruise imitation was closer to his own over-emotting and over rehearsed mannerisms.)
I like a lot of comics and many more I dont bother with and finally the ones that truly annoy me.
So I might not be a good person to judge Tourgasm.
It would be like asking me which part of American Idol I like the most.

zeke

Posted by: zeke at June 23, 2006 4:58 PM

BTW, nice F***ing article Seth.

Writing comedy is hard but so is writing an in-depth critique by what I read elsewhere on the net.

z.

Posted by: zeke at June 23, 2006 5:02 PM

I was so, so disappointed by "Lucky Louie."

What made the pilot almost impossible to sit through for me was the acting. I am actually EMBARASSED to watch the poor actress who plays his wife; she's awful, stumbles through each and every one of her lines, has no charisma or personality whatsoever, and is more or less indistinguishable from the bevy of exasperated sitcom wives who are sadly resigned to their husbands' caveman antics. And Louis C.K. is just not an actor. Onstage, he's brilliant. On camera, hitting marks and reading lines, he's unnatural and unfunny. The show just feels so cobbled together, like a bunch of freshman drama majors decided to get together and do a stage-sitcom.

I was also disappointed to see that they transformed Louie from a funny, perceptive, caustic guy into, well, a meaner Dan Connor.

Posted by: Z. at June 23, 2006 5:09 PM

I agree with all of the theses about comedy (and Patton Oswalt is my favorite comic), but I disagree with the assessment of "Lucky Louie". The language is a bit excessive, I'll give you, but I find an honesty in the situations and the subtle sense of desperation that permeates the lives of the underclass. I am charmed by it.

Posted by: Dan at June 23, 2006 7:41 PM

I agree with Dan - I suppose I am not as experienced as many of you who take in lots of comedy shows, but I enjoyed 'Louie'. It was simple, seemed kind of low-budget, which I like, and my husband and I laughed out loud for most of the 'O' episode. But maybe we are just simple-minded, I dunno. I haven't seen his stand-up, maybe if I did I would reconsider my opinion. I will reserve further judgement, need more research. If you really like this guy that much, maybe you should allow him a break, since he is transitioning from stand-up to sitcom...can't be easy.

Posted by: Tiffany at June 26, 2006 8:50 PM

Anyone that thinks Dane Cook is funny should have there head examined. This guy is a tool. He brainwashed college kids through his web site to believe that he was the MAN. Which is total bull. This guy has a huge data base of robot fans that will pay to see him , and they only pay $17 to see him , if you don't believe me check out any college he has ever played at, but he has absolutely zero talent. The last time I was in New York I hung out at the "New York Comedy Club" and saw a comedian named "Robert Bella" , a cross between Steve Martin and Rodney Dangerfield , the funniest comic I have seen in years !!!! You want to laugh , see this guy , believe me you will thank me for the rest of your life. Make sure you call to see if he is performing , that way you don't go there just to see the average comedians.

Posted by: TommyBoy at August 2, 2006 4:02 PM

Anyone that thinks Dane Cook is funny should have there head examined. This guy is a tool. He brainwashed college kids through his web site to believe that he was the MAN. Which is total bull. This guy has a huge data base of robot fans that will pay to see him , and they only pay $17 to see him , if you don't believe me check out any college he has ever played at, but he has absolutely zero talent. The last time I was in New York I hung out at the "New York Comedy Club" and saw a comedian named "Robert Bella" , a cross between Steve Martin and Rodney Dangerfield , the funniest comic I have seen in years !!!! You want to laugh , see this guy , believe me you will thank me for the rest of your life. Make sure you call to see if he is performing , that way you don't go there just to see the average comedians.

Posted by: jack sack at August 2, 2006 4:03 PM

Anyone that thinks Dane Cook is funny should have there head examined. This guy is a tool. He brainwashed college kids through his web site to believe that he was the MAN. Which is total bull. This guy has a huge data base of robot fans that will pay to see him , and they only pay $17 to see him , if you don't believe me check out any college he has ever played at, but he has absolutely zero talent. The last time I was in New York I hung out at the "New York Comedy Club" and saw a comedian named "Robert Bella" , a cross between Steve Martin and Rodney Dangerfield , the funniest comic I have seen in years !!!! You want to laugh , see this guy , believe me you will thank me for the rest of your life. Make sure you call to see if he is performing , that way you don't go there just to see the average comedians.

Posted by: jack sack at August 2, 2006 4:05 PM





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