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10 Things We Learned From This Week's Revealing Episode Of "Game Of Thrones": Spoiler Whore and Book Reader Edition

By Joanna Robinson | TV Reviews | May 1, 2013 | Comments ()


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Author's Note: Hey folks! We're back with a book spoiler-heavy "Game Of Thrones" rundown. If you're looking for eloquent or sophisticated analysis, I suggest you head on over to TK's superlative Monday recap. This post serves mainly as an outlet for all your pent-up frustrations at having to tip-toe around your book knowledge lest you spoil a "Game Of Thrones" newbie. So, in case it isn't clear, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED BY BOOK KNOWLEDGE OR SOME INSIDER SHOW INFO, GET OUT OF HERE. SERIOUSLY, WHAT IN THE SEVEN 'ELLS ARE YOU DOING HERE? LEAVE LEST I SIC MY DRAGON ON YOU!

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Are they gone? Phew. Anything goes in the comments, folks. We're hoping this will help curb some of your urges to spoil in the regular recap. Have at it!--JR

1. A Comprehensive List Of Things Kissed By Fire In This Episode:
1. Ygritte's Hair
2. Ygritte's Hair in that place Jon Snow wanted to kiss.
3. Tormund's Hair
4. Sansa's Hair
5. Jaime's Story About Aerys
6. Baelish's Gay Prostitute Spy
7. Beric Dondarrion's Sword
8. The Hound's Shield
9. Jon and Ygritte's Cave
10. The Brotherhood's Cave
11. Jon and Ygritte's Bath
12. Jaime and Brienne's Bath
13. Thoros of Myr's Prayers
14. Selyse Baratheon's Prayers
15. Jaime's Stump Surgery
16. Davos's Cell

2. The Lannister Honeypot Plot Thickens: All of us clinging fast to that Lannister Honeypot theory were watching Lady Talisa's face like a hawk in this episode. How upset was she when she heard about the Lannister boys? WHAT WAS GOING ON IN HER MIND WHEN ROBB SAID THE WORD FREY?! I mean that whole "let me spell out my plan with little lion and wolf figurines so I'm sure you're following it, honey" scene pretty much cinched it for me. Is there evidence against Talisa being a traitor? I suppose you could argue that if she were on Team Lannister she would be egging Robb on in his decision to execute Lord Karstark rather than siding with Cat and Edmure. Not sure what the rationale is there.
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3. Ease Back On The Throttle Gendry/Arya Shippers: I ship this age-inappropriate couple as much as the rest of you but I think many are mistaking Gendry's "milady" to be a more Leon Phelpsian "my laaady." Gendry was making a point about Arya's noble birth and that if he were to go with her to Riverrun, he would aways be her inferior not, as she offers, his family. This makes perfect sense on the heels of his whole speech about how he was tired of serving others.
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I also want to re-assert my theory about Gendry being the Baratheon blood Melisandre is seeking out. The Shireen theory was good but now that we know she's already at Dragonstone, I'm back to thinking it's The Abs that are in danger. And I'm okay with that because I'm not ready to say goodbye to Dempsie.
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4. You Felt For Cersei, Didn't You? Just A Smidge? Yes, yes, she's a monstrous person but they've been playing up the "woman frustrated by her place in the word and the limits society has placed on her gender" angle. Oh and the "so what if I'm in love with my brother, that's really the least of your worries." Any scene with a combination of Lannister siblings and/or parent is a cut above the rest. Charles Dance was his usual brilliant self as were Headey and Dinklage. I also love the way they're making Loras a stand-in for a whole lot of different characters in this chess game. Keeps it simpler for the newbies.
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5. Is TV Robb Significantly Stupider Than Book Robb?: It was my sense when reading the books that Robb was in more of a "damned if he does, damned if he doesn't" place with Lord Karstark. In the show, however, his decision is being painted much more black and white and the writers are trying to hammer home the point that he's following in his father's honorable but doomed footsteps. I don't like that Robb's talent as a leader of men has been played down. It goes back to the whole Talisa vs. Jeyne Westerling problem. In the book Robb's decision to marry Jeyne is borne out of grief and honor. In the show it comes off as hormones. I don't like to think of Robb as a bad leader.
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6. Well This Is All Moving Rather Fast...: Speaking of hormones, this is another little change that I don't really like. In the book, Jon breaks his chastity vow not just because Ygritte is the smexiest Wildling with the dirtiest little pillows, but because his life depends on it. Ygritte intervenes when Mance questions Jon's loyalty and says their sexual relationship proves he's a turn cloak. Here it's "we shouldn't" "we should" "okay" *lord's kiss*. And while the post-coital scene in the cave is near verbatim from the book, it should come after they've been knocking snow boots for quite awhile. That way the whole "I don't ever want to leave this cave" sentiment makes much more sense. I love Rose Leslie and I love her portrayal of Ygritte but I think in rushing their relationship the writers risk sapping some of the tragedy out of what comes later.
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7. Lord Baelish's Tangled Web: In order to curry favor with Cersei and cinch his plan to run off with Sansa, Baelish divulges the Tyrell plot to the Lannisters. How could he be sure they'd marry Sansa off to someone undesirable? Are we meant to assume that Tyrion was his suggestion? Anyway, there are a lot of "ifs" in this plan and poor Sansa doesn't realize that being married to Tyrion is probably the nicest possible arrangement she could hope for.
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8. Selmy And Mormont: I've heard a lot of complaints about the scene between these two. I think many viewers thought this bit only existed to hammer home the central idea of "who do we serve and why?" The book readers know this is setting up a future conflict where Mormont's "betrayal" will be revealed to Dany and then my heart will break into a thousand pieces as my favorite disgraced knight will have to pack up his turquoise neckerchiefs and go.
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9. In Case You Forgot, The Hound Really Doesn't Like Fire, You Guys: I spent an awfully long time on Dondarrion last week so forgive the lack of eye patch gifs. The sword fight was amazing. It was staged so beautifully and in such a way that The Hound's fear of fire was palpable through the hacking and slicing. Just perfectly done.
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10. This Whole Thing Was The Best Thing: As with most of the Jaime and Brienne scenes, this was ripped directly from the pages of the book and was masterfully done start to finish. Nikolaj Coster-Waldau had one of my all-time favorite scenes in episode 7 last year but this might have topped it. He is beast when it comes to monologues and he delivered the hell out of this one. But the scene wouldn't have been nearly as great without Christie's tense, luminous audience. Is it just me or did she look freaking amazing in this scene?
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The point is, I think this is a ship we all feel comfortable having. Yes, Jaime has done terrible things. Of course he has. But the show, just like the books, is pulling us along The Kingslayer's road to redemption. I know there's misery ahead for both Brienne and Jaime, but they are some of the few people in Westeros I want a happy ending for.
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New Character Rundown:

4. Qyburn: He showed up in the premiere but since I didn't recap that episode let's just spend a minute with this man and his facial expressions. It's not clear yet in the show that good ol' Maester Qyburn is an absolute drooling psycho, but Anton Lesser's face spoke a thousand words. I've liked Lesser's other work (specifically on "The Hour") so I look forward to his future on the show, in King's Landing, on the Small Council, etc. etc. psycho.
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3. Grey Worm: We met the leader of the Unsullied who is very young. But I enjoyed his little scene and, honestly, it's nice to have a few more non-white characters join the cast.
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2. Selyse Baratheon: So they've upped the crazy on Selyse and gave her a collection of pickled feti. That's...nice. Are they trying to turn Stannis into Edward Rochester by saddling him with a mad wife in the attic? It's not really working, but you can't accuse Tara Fitzgerald (remember how cute she was in Brassed Off?) of underacting.
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3. Shireen Baratheon: What a cute face. Even with the grayscale. I love this little actress. Once again, I think they're using her here to try to soften us on Stannis. But he's got Draper-level of fathering skills here. HUG HER, YOU MONSTER.
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What do we think of Shireen Baratheon's Center For Onion Knights Who Can't Read Good? I think it's a clever way of keeping Davos in the picture without having him wandering around the dungeons talking to new and, essentially, inconsequential characters and it conflates a couple story lines. Well done, writers.
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Also well done keeping the idea of Patchface alive with this little nonsense song homage. Creepy and beautiful.

NSFW-ISH: Power Ranking All The Bare Asses In "Game Of Thrones" Season 3, Episode 5 "Kissed By Fire"

5. Jon Snow
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4. The Baelish Honeytrap
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3. Ygritte
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2. The Kingslayer Jaime
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1. Brienne Of F*cking Tarth
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  • samforsyth

    Joanna, in the cast (this weeks or last weeks, can't remember) you mentioned when danny takes the unsullied and burns the city as "one of the scenes" that made the show creators want to make the show... then you said you couldn't spoil what the other ones were... I saw the EW article where they mention that scene...but i hadn't read anywhere about what other scenes were. Do you know what they are from some other story, or are you simply assuming which scenes they meant? (probably the RW and Joffrey's Wedding, right?)

  • Evelyn

    For a guy supposedly on a forced march with Brienne of The Long Legs around for a couple weeks, Jamie Lannister sure has a flat ass.

  • Maddy

    Random question - is Ygritte going to die this season? Or are they going to keep her around?

  • foca9

    A Norwegian children's book of my childhood used the term 'gruglede seg', which is a combination of 'å grue seg' (to be queasy about) and 'å glede seg' (to look forward to). The example of the book was first day at school.

    That expression is the most accurate description of how I feel about the Red Wedding we are approaching. As Robb is my favourite character from ASoIaF (as you can see), this will be extremely painful. But at the same time I look forward to see the adaptation and even more my friends' reaction to it. In addition I have a sincere man crush on Richard Madden, and I doubt my sexual orientation every time I hear him say 'justice' (but then there's Clarke, Chaplin, Turner, Leslie, Dormer, Tena, Emmanuel…)

    As for future development, I think the Sansa/Tyrion wedding will be The Bear and the Maiden Fair episode, the Red Wedding will of course be this season's ninth episode big event, and the Purple Wedding in the 4th season. Perhaps in the second episode already written by GRRM.

    Oh, I came to think of the excellent British tv show 'Black Mirror' when I read about other shows starring Tobias Menzies. Recommend it to everyone!

  • Carey Adams

    'Black Mirror' is CRAZY. I love it. The second episode of season 2 was so bizarre. I've recommended it to all my friends.

  • Lisa

    I've been enjoying the Theon story and meeting Ramsay. However, I was a bit surprised to see them in the preview because I doubt they are going to tell us where Theon is yet. So that will be 4 episodes where they don't explain anything and that has to be super frustrating for Show only watchers.

    I am hoping for some major hints since booth Boltons will be in the episode. And honestly, even if it is confusing for others, I'm really excited to see more of crazy ass Ramsay.

  • Juwan Dickerson

    Everyone is expecting The Red Wedding to be episode 9 but I heard somewhere that it's supposed to be episode 7. I don't know for sure because I haven't looked up the shows episode list nor do I watch the previews before or after the episode in order not to spoil myself on which plot points will be covered. But they do seem to be fast tracking this season a bit even though they said that book 3 would be split between two seasons. I thought the Night Watch mutiny and the sacking of Astopor would happen much later in the show. Looks like the Wall will be scaling will be next and The Red Wedding I expect this season might end with the aftermath of The Red Wedding and then the Royal Wedding and the introduction of the Martell's and Joffrey's Death and theand it will probably pick back up with the trial of Tyrion and so on, which makes sense because the action ramps back up with some of the storylines after that. And next season may end with the introduction of Lady Stonehart. Either way I'm anxiously awaiting what comes I try to keep my wife away from spoilers even though she begs me to tell her what's going to happen next, she says she doesn't care about spoilers but this book/season is so epic that I'm sure when the real shit goes down her jaw is going to drop. I can't wait!

  • Maddy

    I am still annoyed at how they've made both Cat and Robb significantly stupider than in the books. While obviously marrying Jeyne/freeing Jaime were stupid things to do, they were borne out of grief and despair at hearing of Bran and Rickon's death and it was understandable even though it was frustrating, now they just did it because they felt like it! Also, why/how does Tywin know that Theon 'hanged' Bran and Rickon but apparently Cat and Robb don't have this info and think they're missing?

  • Mimi Honeycutt

    I love how Ramsay has a line in the promo that sums up the whole series -- "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention." (and have to say his delivery is frickin awesome)

    I'm wondering if they are keeping Ramsay's identity secret until the RW, so as to not add more fire to the "treacherous Roose" theory? I've been wondering. In the Unsullied thread on TWOP, some actually thought Roose's decency to Jaime made him less suspicious. (it's great to see nonreaders having really neat speculations and discussions...though they make Dave look adorably unobservant by how much they catch XD) Personally, I LOVE how the show made a family connection. Ramsay was an epic troll with Theon, now it's clear he gets it from his daddy. Yanking Jaime's chain was trollish and awesome. House Trollton indeed.

    Re: Jon in the carnal cave, I took this version of Ygritte's "let's stay here forever" to be pillow talk, not a declaration of undying commitment.

    Re: Sansa and Littlefinger scene -- am I the only one who thought LF was being ridiculously creepy? I also thought Sansa was showing her growth and learning to be more canny.

  • Juwan Dickerson

    I'm surprised that non Book readers especially Dave haven't caught on that it's Ramsay Snow especially seeing that Iwon Rheon is credited on IMDB as Ramsay Snow and /Flim that broke a lot of the GOT casting news. I guess he stayed far away from those spoilers. It was kind of frustrating to hear him be so harsh on the Theon storyline though but that comes from my book knowledge because we know how awesome that thread is in the book. It's interesting to see how long they can play the mystery out in the show though.

  • Mimi Honeycutt

    Haha, I know! When Dave mentioned that it might be cool if the Boy was actually a new psychopathic main character, I burst out laughing. To be fair, I can see one forgetting that Roose mentioned his bastard was going to Winterfell, and a viewer being confused by how much Ramsay knows about Theon (I'm guessing he tortured it out of the other Ironborn or it was common knowledge.)

  • Maddy

    Nope - but LF is always being a creeper to Sansa. I liked that it showed that she didn't trust him completely and didn't just tell him the 'plot' - even though obviously it made no difference

  • christopherdlc

    The end of the episode had me thinking about how sweet Tywins taking one in the gut, while on the pot, will be. Especially of they throw in a Tyrion quip or two.

  • JamesGeee

    I gotta think that Gendry won't end up being the Melisandra's sacrifice. She needs one sacrifice for each King she wants dead. I think the jarred fetuses will end up replacing the leeches used in the book.

  • Juwan Dickerson

    In one of the earlier trailers before the season began we see Melisandra rubbing the head of a dark haired male and saying something like 'you are the one' or something like that. I assumed it was Edric Storm but I don't know if he has been cast and its kind of late in the show to be introducing him out of the blue it actually might be Gendry. Gendry doesn't really have much to do now that Arya's about to leave and he's somewhat of a favorite side character. This could be a way for the writers to keep him in the show longer. They could legitimately write it in that she had a vision from the Lord of Light about him and she meets up with Thoros of Myr a fellow Red Priest and meets up with Gendry there and she and him meet back up with Stannis at the Wall.

  • Elisa Uranga

    Joanna I jussst want to say that I adore your podcast and l love love love your weekly insider post. All our guily pleasures are aroused once again. Well done milady.

  • Ashley

    I think the lannister honeypot is true because on some of the early promotional material they labeled Talisa as Jeyne. I mean how could somebody get those two confused unless they are eventually going to pull the switch-a-roo. But if they do I applaud the writers cause that will be devastating to all the newbies.

    Also I think the mi'lady thing is two fold, Gendry was pointing out Arya's naivety arya genuinely believes and means she could be his family but Gendry knows thats not going to happen because he is a bastard and his low birth. Hence why he says mi'lady but I think he also is implying that he views Arya as more than JUST family but as his lady,which is all the more heartbreaking. Also I prefer tv Gendry and his goodbye to book Gendry!

  • Fabius_Maximus

    The sword fight wasn't amazing, it was dumb. You carry shields, you morons. Don't use your swords for parrying!

    Seriously, if only one of them had parried a sword stroke with his shield once, he could have ended the fight very quickly.

    I think that Stannis doesn't hug Shireen because a), he's a cold bastard, and b), he's afraid of catching greyscale. Unfortunately, the latter wasn't in the play at all. Also, I missed Patches. He would have made a really great creepy addition to the series.

    Robb is not stupid. He's young, and takes after his father. You could maybe call him "Lawful Stupid" (fucking Paladins, how do they work?), if you're so inclined.

  • Morgan_LaFai

    First thing first, m'lady reminded me of the conversation last season between Tyrelle and Arya where they discuss the upper and lower class pronunciations of my land versus m'lady. Just the way Gendry said it shows that he knows he would not be Arya's family but an inferior much like Jon Snow or Theon Greyjoy. Of the family but not in the family.

    As for the execution, I don't get why no one war arguing for why they had to kill Karstark. They made it seem like such a stupid decision, whereas it should have been a damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Just a few more lines would have been all that was necessary. Same with Jon and Yigrette. The conversation with the line, just because you want him between your legs, with just a little tweaking could have been Yigrette saving Jon by saying he has been between her legs. But I am a fan and one of the greatest perks of being a fan is the ability to critique every little thing that isn't exactly how I would have done it.

    And poor Sansa, but I do love how competent she becomes later under the tutelage of Little Finger. I have no idea where her story is going but I pray to the old gods and the new (though not to the Red God) that she ends up on the small council or is some similar position of authority. She's got the brains for it, and we know Dynerous supports the role of women.

  • Strand

    I honestly don't know what they're doing with Talisa. I originally believed that she's still Jeyne Westerling but hid her surname otherwise Robb would believe that she's loyal to the Lannisters, they DID meet in the Westerlands. Then it'll lead to the expected rom-com fight near the end where he finds out "I only lied so I wouldn't hurt you! But I actually do love you!" blah blah.

    Now, I'm positive that there is no Jeyne Westerling, there's just not enough time to solve this plot line. They've essentially fabricated a new character but... why?

  • It's even been said that GRRM likes the Talisa character.

  • YeahButNoBut

    Two-and-a-bit seasons in, I'm still glad the TV people decided to age everyone up. I know it's mainly for the added nudie bits, but it's just a bit less oogy when Joffrey, Sansa, Arya and Danerys in particular are TV-age and not five years younger.

    Of course, it makes Robb look like *more* of a dumbarse while he's dooming himself with all the dum-dum doomy doom.

  • My_Oath

    Its something I have to keep reminding my non-reader friends of. Robb and Jon are only 15-16. Dany is 14-15. Realising they are so young explains why they do some of the things they do and the way people react around them.

    So many people are 'anti-Sansa' but they should realise she is only a 13 year old girl under constant guard. What is she actually supposed to do? Tyrion is right. "She will outlast them all." She starts out as the fair princess trapped in the tower by the evil queen. Currently she is still hoping for a knight in shining armour.... but she is gradually, step-by-step getting smarter. I have little doubt by the last book, the little bird will be in full flight. It won't be the fairy tale ending she dreamt of at the start - but she will survive and thrive.

  • BendinIntheWind

    Though the Red Wedding completely wins for shock value, I was actually more surprised at Joffrey's death, because it was so huge and came way out of left field. I think the show needs to build in a little time to see the Lannisters sitting pretty before the sheer WTF-ery of Joffrey's wedding. I hope the show take the ballsy move to kill him off in episode 2 or 3 of next season. Juuuuust enough time to see Joffrey feeling comfortable in his seat of power, then BAM!

  • christopherdlc

    I would also add Tywin to the increased WTF-ery.

  • BendinIntheWind

    I'm kind of hoping they hold off til later in the season - Tyrion killing Shae and his father right at the end of the season would be such a huge point for the character that it leaves you dangling between seasons, wondering both what it means for him as a person, but also where he'll go now that he's on the run.

    That said, I think it would be hilarious and amazing if season 4 ends with Sansa: I want the last image of the season to be identical to Jaime pushing Bran, though instead of "The things I do for love", Littlefinger looks Sansa dead in the eyes, says Only Cat", then SHOVE!! Adios, Lysa.

  • christopherdlc

    Could, or should, the red wedding, joffrey, tywin & shae all happen before the end of the season? Does all of that happen close enough, chronologically to make sense? I know the show can play with time some.

  • E-Money

    I'm not gonna say I like the show better than the book, because I think I'd be struck down where I stand if I pulled that. I do prefer show Brienne. And maybe that's just this particular season. I realize that it's mostly FFC Brienne that makes me want to throw the book across the room. I can't help but think I'll much prefer the show version of "Brienne of Tarth Goes Questing for Fuck All." Because really those 30 some chapters she has in Feast are so damn tedious, but with Christie being her flawless self I might actually enjoy it...especially if there are more instances of DAT ASS!

  • manting

    it clearly a stunt but - you can tell by the editing

  • Alise Headlam

    QUESTION: My workmate and I are arguing about the final moment in the Jaime and Brienne bath scene. She thinks when he moved forward he was attempting to drown himself, I think he might have just been leaning forward in an attempt to stand up and get out of the bath.

    What did everyone else read into that movement? What was his intention?

  • Mimi Honeycutt

    He was passing out (it was in the books). NCW did a great job with starting to look lightheaded--looking around, eyes fluttering. He's probably feverish because of his hand, underfed, dehydrated...poor guy.

  • If Jaime had wanted to kill himself, he would've by now.

  • Alise Headlam

    YAY, I win then

  • E-Money

    Honestly I think he's just sick and weak and had his hand cut off and then his stump burned off. I'd be a little weak in the knees after that too. I think Brienne is calling for help because he's collapsing.

  • manting

    same as the book - he was weak from his wound, the fever, and the heat of the baths.

  • Maddy

    In the books, didn't he hit his stump on the side of the bath and that's why he passed out? I freaking loved that scene, but the whole 'my name's Jaime' bit at the end was a bit on the nose

  • John G.

    The confession/bathe scene between Jamie and Brienne was possibly my favorite scene in the whole show, not just this episode, but the entire 3 seasons so far. I think they did a better job even than the book here. Just ... just...perfect.

  • Juwan Dickerson

    Yea that scene in the bathtub played out brilliantly. I felt so sorry for Jaime. Although I can't forgive him for pushing Bran out the window I feel for what he had to put up with from folks judging him. He totally did the right thing by killing a King that was homicidal and insane and that everyone agrees was mad and cruel and rebelled against so basically he does Robert's and Ned's job for them and for his troubles he gets judged and called Kingslayer for the rest of his life. But real talk though imagine a different reality where Ned Stark didn't immediately judge Jaime and actually thanked and praised him for disposing of the mad King and striking the final blow for the rebellion and no one judged him as being an oath breaker. And then imagine years later Bran catching him and Cersi together I think that Jaime would not have pushed him out of the window he probably would have made up a different story for what they were doing or something he would have taken Bran under his wing and appeal to his desire of wanting to be a Knight and promise to personally train him if Bran swore not to say anything or something like that. All out of respect for Ned not judging him. By what right does the wolf judge the lion. Although if that happened we wouldn't have this epic story now would we.

  • Mrs. Julien

    I don't watch the show and I haven't read the books, but I am deeply grateful that I chose to "read" this article.

  • $27019454

    O Mrs Julien you have to watch this. We need to talk. Honey you are misssssiiinnnnngggg.

  • Mrs. Julien

    No HBO. I've seen all of season 1.

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  • MissAmynae

    well, shite if you think it'll work, I'll send you my login info for hbogo!

  • Conor

    My heart leaps into my chest every time Emilia Clarke speaks Valyrian.

    Goddamn, that woman can sell a pretend language.

    Coster-Waldau is KILLING it, and needs to get an Emmy nod.

    Also can't wait for more Qyburn (Ser Robert Strong!) and next week's full reveal of Ramsay.

  • My_Oath

    And the young lad playing Grey Worm nailed it too. Between the pair of them that exchange sounded about as natural as a fake language could.

  • pfeiffer87

    Loved the casting for Qyburn - I just know from his work on 'the hour' that he's gonna be gentle, soft-spoken and deliciously creepy.

  • christopherdlc

    1. still thinking of the boring times ahead for Dany
    2. SUPER excited for the far off awesomeness that will be Ayra learning to be an assassin!

  • DarthCorleone

    One more thing on the honeypot: if Talisa goes with Robb to the Twins, that could be a big indicator. Imagine amping up the RW that one extra degree by having Robb look into her eyes as the betrayal happens.

  • Juwan Dickerson

    I imagine that she would be there. Because in the books her whole family is River Run with Robb and it makes sense that she stays with them but Talisa doesn't have anyone at River Run to stay with I mean they could leave her but it would make more since in the show to take her and make the whole thing more tragic for Robb.

  • AngelenoEwok

    Oona Chaplin has tweeted that she will be in TRoC

  • Sherry

    On the one hand, I'm annoyed that it's spoilerish, but on the other, maybe she's toying with us and just means the episode itself, not at the RW? (Gods, these books make a reader paranoid...)

  • Sherry

    To clarify: annoyed with her for Tweeting that, not you for sharing.

  • JoannaRobinson

    Oh she HAS to be there. She has to be.

  • My_Oath

    I want her to be there... and I want one of Jon's men to kill her there as well...

  • DarthCorleone

    I dunno...I'm sort of leaning against the theory. Bolton is a traitor; we know that. It might be overkill to cram two into Robb's camp. Plus, it's a lot more tragic to have Robb lose for the sake of true love.

  • manting

    bolton is at harrenhall and yet in the episode we learn that Tywin already knows about the loss of the Karstarks. There must be a spy in camp

  • JoannaRobinson

    Someone mentioned that Tywin got the news of the Karstarks abandoning ship awfully fast. And Bolton's not at Riverrun. GIVE ME MY CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

  • Maddy

    Is it bad that I just want her character to die at the RW anyway, even if she isn't a spy? I have irrational hatred/annoyance for her character ...

  • MissAmynae

    she needs to die. badly. catelyn should get to kill her....

  • dinka

    "Center for onion knights who cant read good"

    Hilarious. Inspired. Great post.

  • QueeferSutherland

    Is the series skipping over the part when Robb makes Cat agree to name Jon Snow his heir?

  • Strand

    She still doesn't agree, and he says something like "Yeah? Well... fuck you! I don't need your permission mum!" and his bannermen see to it instead.

  • manting

    that happens en route to the red wedding I think

  • Maddy

    Is it weird that I ship Grey Worm and Dany? I mean I know it can't happen obviously, but he's super cute! I will settle for some Dany/Jorah though ... they're going to keep that kiss in right? Also isn't Grey Worm Missandei's brother? I could well be not remembering that properly though ...

  • MissAmynae

    i think it was just that she had brothers in the Unsullied, not Grey Worm specifically.

  • I love that you can really see how beatup and skinny Jaime's gotten. He's lost so much weight. Now that's commitment.

    And I love this show for being so equal opportunity with the nudity and the asses. Well done.

  • Shireen Baratheon’s Center For Onion Knights Who Can’t Read Good

    HA HA HA HA HA

    The scene with Brienne and Jamie was brilliant. I looked forward to Jamie's chapters the most in SoS, so I'm thrilled that they're doing the relationship justice.

  • Sherry

    "I don’t like that Robb’s talent as a leader of men has been played down. It goes back to the whole Talisa vs. Jeyne Westerling problem. In the book Robb’s decision to marry Jeyne is borne out of grief and honor. In the show it comes off as hormones. I don’t like to think of Robb as a bad leader."

    This, a thousand times this. A co-worker who has read the books didn't really understand why the Talisa vs. Jeyne switch bothered me sooo much (it does). I should just print out the quote above and hand it to her--perfectly well said. If Honeypotgate does not go down, I will be really irritated because that was my hope all along (before that magnificent video was created) and, in my eyes at least, the only way of redeeming that change.

    (I feel this is the only way this post can end:) Harrumph!

  • disqus_N4EigheiZo

    Just here to say that Kit Harington said that the ass above, is not his ass, as he apparently had an ankle brace at this point in filming.

    So nice ass, but not Jon Snow ass.

    Ass.

  • Danar the Barbarian

    I just ASSumed it was Kit Harrington's ASS in the scene. He has amASSed quite a fangirl following and now you're ruining that fantASSy for us! ASS. This is fun!

  • DarthCorleone

    Regarding the honeypot (if true), I think that encouraging Robb to kill Karstark would have been too much of a tell and out of character for a healer. She's spent enough time with now to know how Robb thinks, and she could see which way the wind was blowing.

  • Guest

    Am I the only one who looked at the header pic of this post and thought:

    "Suck it up B*tch." ?

  • Meg

    Omg this episode. The Jamie/Brienne bath scene was fucking perfection and everything I could have ever wanted out of that scene. Also awesome was the opening sword fight, though I was mildly disappointed that there wasn't more woo-woo involved in resurrecting Beric. Wasn't there more to it than that in the books? Honestly I don't remember.

    ******MILD SPOILERSS from ADWD******

    With regards to Littlefinger and him ratting out the Tyrells, we find out in one of Cersei's chapters that somewhere around this time Littlefinger asked to be the one to marry Sansa. But whether that was before he knew about the Tyrell plot, or brought about because he saw an opportunity in exposing them and securing her for himself we don't know. But I think one of the more interesting aspects of the later books is the slow realization of just how much Little finger and Varys were controlling and manipulating things behind the scenes. Sooo good.

    *****END SPOILERS*****

    Also loved Shireen and the condensing of the entire Storms End cast of characters. Did anyone else notice that one of the pickled fetuses was named Edric? I know we're not getting that character, but I thought that was kind of a weird acknowledgement of him.

    Also Arya is losing her wolf pack :((( And we never even got the Acorn Manor scene and I desperately wanted Gendry teasing Arya when she had to wear a dress. I also miss all the more shippy moments between them that we had in the book. The show age difference seems way bigger than the book age difference, so I get them trying to avoid creepy pedo vibes, but it was such a big part of those characters and what made their eventual goodbye even more sad.

  • Kristen Mc

    It's revealed in ASoS that Littlefinger is the one that told Tywin of the Tyrell plot.

  • Meg

    Oh I know, with Dontos as his catspaw (which by the way why was he introduced in the show and then we never saw him again ) I was just wondering if him asking to marry Sansa was connected to ratting out the Tyrells, and what the exact timeline was.

  • $27019454

    Also...I think we need an ass-ranking every week. Get a memo out to the GoT writers, stat.

    I think an entire Pajiba category of ass-rankage would not be overkill at this point.

  • JJ

    "ass-rankage"

    I do not think that means what you think it means.

  • $27019454

    You are probably very right...

  • Enrique del Castillo

    I hope Dondarrion stays for a couple more episodes. I feel he was the most underused minor character in the books.

    Patchface's song was a great addition, quite creepy and effective. Though it makes me wonder if his removal means he really isn't important at all and Melissandre is overreacting when she says he scares her.

    I though Gendry's line was more of a "I won't have problems serving you", so it's kind of both interpretations. However, I have seen no one else think the same, so maybe I'm just misreading it because I do ship Gendry and Arya.

    I hope they keep Davos plotline with Edric Storm/Gendry, and replace the loyalists and Maester Pylos with Shireen. Davos is very underused in the books and taking away any of his plotlines is a crime to me, since he's my one of my favorite characters.

    If the Lannister Honeypot is true, that would be great and it would show how dangerous Tywin is. Also, I have no reason to like Talisa, so I wouldn't mind her being an accomplice to that if Jeyne in the books has no further role to play.

  • Nunchucko

    I wouldn't read too much into missing characters from the show and their importance to the books. I heard an interview with the showrunners (I believe on Grantland) and it sounded like GRRM told them they would be sorry for streamlining and removing some characters that will have big parts in the final novels. Actually, that sounds harsh. I think it was more "oh no! You're getting rid of him/her!? I have big plans for him/her!".

  • PDamian

    Damn skippy Brienne has the finest ass. It may very well be one of the top ten in Westeros. Of course, Jamie's would be second, but a very close second.

    I've said it elsewhere on Pajiba, but I'll say it again: I'm beginning to prefer the show over the books. Budget constraints and writer/editor collaborators for GRRM have meant tighter storylines and fewer distractions. I'll always love the books, but this show is just BETTER, and it's so rare that I find an adaptation better than the original.

    As for feeling for Cersei -- mmmmm, nope, not much. It'd be easier to feel for her if she didn't take so much glee in others' discomfort. Wipe the smirk off your face, bitch -- your time is coming.

  • sean

    Too bad it was a body double. I wonder how the hell you find a body double for 6'3" woman.

  • Sherry

    I found myself watching the gif of Jaime's ass an unseemly number of times. Yowza.

  • AshBookworm

    I preferred The Baelish Honeytrap. Jon's wasn't visble enough and Jaime's was too dirty. But the guy with Loras? Yummy!

  • Enrique del Castillo

    I can't wait for the fifth season to see how much Cersei screws up when her father dies. I want to see the High Sparrow manipulating her, Aurane Waters conning her for money and ships and fleeing and all that stuff. Cersei is awful and I can't find sympathy for her, but she's fascinating in her awfulness

  • My husband read A Feast of Crows before I did and he laughed every time Cersei came up. He called her chapters The Derp Chronicles.

  • Fabius_Maximus

    The thing about reinstating those knightly orders was the biggest idiocy she has committed so far.

  • $27019454

    While I admit to some small ambivalence about hating Jaime, I will never feel anything for Cersei except loathing. Like find-a-dead-festering-maggotty-possum-in-the-road loathing.

  • Scorptilicus

    I guess the Jon/Ygritte scene didn't bother me as much because I never bought in the book that he would betray the Night's Watch. There was conflict, certainly, and major feelings for Ygritte, but it never felt to me that his loyalty to her equaled loyalty to the wildlings.

    The scene does have a different feel, though, one less emotionally resonant. Here I think it's the first major break from his double agent status whereas in the book it seemed like it was meant to be his final major temptation, perhaps the thing that would make him choose Ygritte if anything did. Here it's more like the beginning of that movement, but I think it's still a major moment for Jon in the show because it's the first time since joining that his loyalty to the Night's Watch has clearly cracked. Not the best scene in the show, but I think it still works to an extent.

  • AlannaJudith

    Okay, so I have a theory, and I wonder who out there agrees with me: I think episode 9, the Rains of Castermere are going to be both weddings. Just like how the Blackwater episode just focused on that last season, I think we're gonna have an episode totally devoted to two weddings. It would be amazing, and surprising to all of us book readers. Or am I just crazy?

  • My_Oath

    I think it will be Red Wedding Ep 9, Purple Wedding Season 4, and the Tyrion/Sansa do in Ep 10.

  • DarthCorleone

    That could make for some very cool, creative editing, but I'm pretty sure I read that Tyrion's wedding takes place in the prior episode.

  • Monica

    Wouldn't it be Robb and Joffrey's wedding as the two? (Not to each other, obviously)

  • DarthCorleone

    Pretty sure Joffrey's wedding isn't happening until next season. If you spend that in season three, there's hardly anything left for season four.

  • Artemis

    Yeah, that's what they've said and I think makes sense -- especially because I don't want them to rush through the fall out with Tyrion, I'm very much looking forward to watching Peter Dinklage break my heart in half repeatedly.

    BUT... I also think it would be kind of AWESOME if they were lying to us to give the book readers a surprise, and the episode was in fact both weddings.

  • IngridToday

    I heard somewhere that GRRM is writing the second episode of the next season so the theory is that Joffrey's wedding will be next season, because really it'd be way to rush to have a bunch of weddings in one season without being able to show the effects of each events.

  • $27019454

    Guhhh!! Too many good drugs at once!! I love it!!

  • John W

    Great recap as usual.

    I think they should have saved the duel between the hound and Beric to the end. They would have had two back to back eps with awesome endings.

    This show does a great job casting young actors. Shireen (Kerry Ingram) just broke my heart.

    I'll be surprised if this show doesn't snag several acting nominations come Emmy time.

  • My_Oath

    Ahh Shireen. Lumps in throats were had - especially after the said lumps were handily nearby after the "I'll be your family" moment.

  • JoannaRobinson

    I don't want NCW to win over Walton Goggins and Aaron Paul, but I demand he be nominated.

  • MrsAtaxxia

    Jamie and Brienne in the bath was everything I wanted and needed it to be. I was fucking weeping by the time she was holding him.

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