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"The Walking Dead" - "Pretty Much Dead Already": I Can't Quit You Baby, So I'm Gonna Put You Down For A While

By TK | Posted Under TV Reviews | Comments (76)



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I don’t think it’s an overstatement to say that the seventh episode of the second season of “The Walking Dead,” “Pretty Much Dead Already,” was the best episode since the premiere. Of course, that’s faint and somewhat damning praise of the season as a whole, considering how unfulfilling and uninspired the past few episodes have been. This episode was a success because, finally, something actually happened.

Yes, much of it was telegraphed and yes, the final surprise of Sophia (who has arguably been a blandly unexciting Maguffin for much of the season) coming out of the barn as a zombie was somewhat predictable. Yet it was handled with a sense of emotional depth that has been largely absent of late. The buildup to those final chaotic moments was a mixed bag, filled with a combination of effectively taut scenes, but also typically overwrought, overwritten ones.

It was an episode that showcased the best and worst of both the characters and the writers. Some of them escaped for the better — Glenn once again was a success, and his developing relationship with Maggie is going to a good place. His admission that he began to forget just how deadly the world had become was an interesting, microcosmic example of life on the farm as a whole, and is also oddly reflective of the flaws of the show’s insistence on maintaining that setting. The farm presented a sense of safety and sanctuary, and it was also an opportunity for the writers to try to flesh out the characters, while also introducing a few new ones. The twofold problem with that, as we’ve discussed before, was that it took entirely too long to complete those developmental arcs, and that by doing so, it eliminated the sense of dread and danger entirely, which was what had made the first season so engaging. This is further compounded by the clumsy, derivative nature of those character evolutions, to the point where out of a dozen or so cast members, only three or four were actually worth watching, and the rest were either annoying or simply felt like filler.

“Pretty Much Dead Already” had some successes beyond Glenn — Norman Reedus continues to rule the pack as Daryl, demonstrating a complicated set of emotions as he tries to figure out what sort of man he is and wants to be. His reluctance to accept Carol’s dependence — if not outright hero worship — was a particularly impressive scene, but there’s still the underlying sense of menace and danger bristling within him. Interestingly, I think that the effectiveness of his character is due more to Reedus’ acting than it is to the writing — his dialogue isn’t particularly impressive, but his delivery is what wins you over. Keeping with the subject, this was one of the rare episodes where I didn’t want to shake Carol.

As for Shane, while his final meltdown was excessive and totally illogical (seriously, releasing the zombies to prove a point seems completely contrary to his survivalist instincts), it at least served the purpose of forcing the rest of the characters into action, something that has been sorely lacking. Shane’s evolution — or devolution if you prefer — may not always make sense, but I’ve reached the point where anytime a character does something, I consider it a win. Which is more of a condemnation of the show than anything else, when you think about it. The worst development was easily Dale, who been slowly, steadily transitioning from quirky yet wise elder to doddering fool. Having him hide the guns? Easily the dumbest idea the show has had on a long list of dumb ideas. It hurts the show and it hurts the characters, and given how ineffective his confrontation with Shane was, it served no practical purpose.

As for Rick and Lori? I’ve simply conceded that their characters will always be exactly the same, never changing, never evolving. For better or worse.

Of course, the finale was really the best part, even though there was never really a sense that they were ever in real jeopardy. It was a slaughter, a massacre, and it was executed (pardon the pun) spectacularly. It served to return us to the world of “The Walking Dead” that we’d initially become so enamored of — a harsh, violent world where your feelings towards the walkers were a mixture of pity and revulsion, where humans are both saints and sinners and everything in between. That final five minutes was everything I want “The Walking Dead” to be, and it’s what keeps me coming back, even though I’m growing more and more disaffected.

This was a mid-season finale, and it’s the rare occasion where I’m glad that the show is taking a hiatus. I need a break from “The Walking Dead.” I need to let put it down for a while. I’m tired of my moaning and groaning, getting frustrated by the annoyance I feel deep down inside. I suspect many of you are feeling the same way. My hope is that they’ll come back in February, reinvigorated, ready to move on, and reminded of why I started on this journey with them in the first place.









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Comments

What the hell? Whoever chose the header pic needs a smack upside the head. Not everybody watches new episodes the day or even day after they come out. I had so I wasn't spoiled, but in most weeks I would have been robbed of the climactic twist by your careless choice of pictures. It's one thing to put spoilers in your write-up, I'm not going to read that until I've seen the episode, but I shouldn't have to avoid Pajiba altogether until I've caught up on all my DVRs. Shame on you.

Posted by: Tyler at November 29, 2011 12:10 PM

Honestly, the Sophia thing took me by surprise. It really did. My daughter, too. And it totally took the show back to where it belonged...fewer miraculous saves (Carl) and more grim disappointment.

I think it was completely IN character for Shane to release the Walkers. They were sitting ducks. No one was in any danger as they left the barn. Shane wanted to force a confrontation and he did. He's rightfully pissed by Rick's namby-pamby approach and I thought he was actually going to take over the farm (though I guess that could still happen). I'd have gone ballistic, too, if I'd seen my supposed-leader come back with two more specimens for the Zombie Zoo. But at least Rick redeemed himself a little by shooting Sophia.

Posted by: Wednesday at November 29, 2011 12:13 PM

I already saw the episode or I would be brimming with zombie-related rage that the ONLY decent surprise in the last 5 or 6 episodes was spoiled by a header picture.

Posted by: Carolyn at November 29, 2011 12:22 PM

I wanted to shake Carol.

Posted by: Riles at November 29, 2011 12:22 PM

Sadly I lost interest after the third episode of season one. I didn’t feel any emotional connection with any of the characters. I mean a zombie gets shot in the head and it’s like, ok, next. And the sheriff, my god, does he ever take that annoying fucking hat off?

Posted by: Pookie at November 29, 2011 12:25 PM

Yeahhhhh I haven't seen it yet. I didn't read the review but the header pic was enough to spoil it. You might want to change that before more people get pissed

Posted by: THRILLHO at November 29, 2011 12:26 PM

Using this header is almost as cruel as the sad people who tagged Marley and Me posters with "the dog dies"

Posted by: Whipple "Whip" Hoxworth at November 29, 2011 12:27 PM

Ha nevermind. You changed the picture changed while I was writing that

Posted by: THRILLHO at November 29, 2011 12:27 PM

Look, folks: We discussed it, and reasoned that no one had any idea what Sophie looks like anymore (much less as a zombie) and felt that no one would have a clue who the girl was in the (previous) header pic if they hadn't seen the episode, thus negating the spoiler. But if you're going to rage and gnash, we'll pull it and exchange it for another.

Posted by: Dustin Rowles at November 29, 2011 12:27 PM

I'm surprised that this episode didn't bring you back around. It did for me.

The zombie genre in general is about hope. Or perhaps more specifically, the dangers of losing hope. Was Sophie a device to keep them at the barn? Yes, but not only that. She was a device to test the moral compass of the group. Will they stay and keep looking for her even though they know logically she's probably long been dead? Or do they stay and keep looking? Because they hope.

This ties into the arguement between Hershel, Rick and Shane as well. Hershel clings to the hope that the zombie condition is an illness from which they are capable of overcoming. Certainly his hope is overcast in ignorance (because of the farms seclusion - another reason the farm safety is so key to this season's theme), but it's hope none-the-less. Shane understands the zombies for what they are and rages against their continued existence. He has no hope. And Rick, who proved himself to be the ultimate pragmatist in this final episode (I will explain more in a moment) is willing to fight for the hope, even though he has seen evidence that it doesn't exist. That has been the heart of every conversation he's had this entire season. Explaining to Lori that they shouldn't give up on Carl. They shouldn't give up on the baby. They shouldn't give up on Sophie. Even though the world has gone to hell and they have no reason to continue on, he has hope.

I say that Rick is a pragmatist, not because he has the best survival instincts. That's Shane, even more than it's Darryl. Rick is the ultimate pragmatist because he's willing to compromise. He will do whatever he needs to do to keep his family safe. If that means abiding my Hershel's crazy wishes, then he's willing to do that. He sees the farm for what it clearly is: a sanctuary from the world. At the end of the episode, when those compromises no longer matter, he is able to shrug off his nerves and do what has to be done. He can shoot Sophie. He feels responsible for her condition and he takes that responsibility to it's final resolution.

Sophies zombified re-appearance wasn't just used as some trite twist, or for petty shock value. It was the ultimate resolution of this theme that tests hope. Hershel has hope that his family can recover in the same way that Carol and the rest of the travellers have hope that they will find Sophie. Since Shane has lost his hope, he has no problem eradicating them. While watching the episode it's hard not to feel the way Shane does. The zombies aren't people; they're monsters. And it's easy to feel that way until you're looking into the face of someone you used to know. The moment Sophie walks out of the barn, we see Shane for how wrong he is. He's not wrong for killing them; killing them is the right thing to do. He's wrong for losing hope. And for destroying the hope of everyone else.

I loved this episode. It tied up the first half of the season perfectly and has restored my hope for the show in general. I have so much more to say and I worry that I haven't even communicated these ideas as well as I need, but I'll leave it at that.

My only wish is that they will allow for brief moments of comedy. Some grave diggers, if you will to lighten the weight.

Posted by: superasente at November 29, 2011 12:30 PM

The show was bland and boring as usual. The show this season followed the pace of The Killing; stretching plot elements over a whole season that could have been settled in a single episode.

Posted by: Roland at November 29, 2011 12:31 PM

I found the ending to be pretty powerful. I liked this season more than most and loved the final episode.

That said, I do look forward to them leaving the farm. Though I wonder how much of being "stuck on the farm" was a conscience decision by the writers of the show and how much was a result of the ridiculous budget cuts.

This was taken from an article over the summer about the budget cuts and some of AMC's proposals as how to make things work:

The show shoots for eight days per episode, and the network suggested that half should be indoors. "Four days inside and four days out? That's not Walking Dead," says this insider. "This is not a show that takes place around the dinner table." That was just one of what this person describes as "silly notes" from AMC.

I would imagine spending the majority of half a season at one location is the equivalent of shooting "inside".

I liked how the kept up with the notion that they could find Sophia. They went back to the "Cherokee Rose" symbolism again and there was Carl's "speech" to Shane. It shows how hard people are willing to latch on to things and try to find hope and meaning where it really doesn't exist, especially in that world.

As much as I enjoy the show still, I do hope it picks up some momentum in the second half of the season. It's going to be a nice little bonus birthday present for me come February 12.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at November 29, 2011 12:32 PM

First off, Tyler's right about the header pic - episode spoilers shouldn't be up on the main page where everyone can see it.

Second, I don't know if I can watch this anymore when it comes back in February. Yes, last 5 or 10 minutes recalled what I liked about the show in the first place (and nicely mirrored the cold open of the series pilot) but as you say in your review, that just highlights how lame the rest of the episode was. It's like the writers start with some cliffhanger but have no idea how to get there. When you find yourself agreeing with Shane - who, I'm pretty sure is supposed to be 'crazy' and not the character people identify with - something's wrong. When Dale has been built up as some sort of reasonable father figure but then just does stupid, crazy shit, or accuses people of things they have NO WAY OF SUSPECTING (re: Shane shooting Otis), well I don't know what to do. I was willing to put up with meladramatic dialogue in a world that seemed fairly well developed. I am not willing to put up with lazy writing, characters doing things merely because the plot requires it, etc.

I will have 2 months to seethe over this. Perhaps, by that time I may be willing to give it another chance. Maybe.

Posted by: space oddity at November 29, 2011 12:34 PM

Wow, I think I'm more upset that the fact that the picture could be a spoiler was discussed and discarded than I was when I assumed someone just had a brain fart. You seriously believed that most viewers wouldn't see that pic and immediately realize that Sophia was in the barn the whole time and that Rick was going to shoot her? So when you saw Sophia come out of the barn you just thought she was another random walker until you say Carol react? Either you're opinion of the intelligence of your readers is insulting, or your attention to the show that your reviewing is negligent.

Posted by: Tyler at November 29, 2011 12:35 PM

Great post, superasente. You summed up a lot of my feelings and thoughts on this episode a lot better than I could have.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at November 29, 2011 12:36 PM

i've never liked a show where i find most of the female characters so f'in annoying! lori grimes needs a haircut and a good meal. i wish for andrea's death every episode. and carol? she's a walking dish rag. even maggie annoys me.

i'm not even big on zombie films in general. so why do i watch this damned show?

1. the premier episode of season one is devastatingly awesome. enough to keep me coming back for more.

2. daryl.

and i think that's about it. it's on tv, it's free to watch (or DVR) and it's occasionally compelling. dig it!

p.s. pajiba is a website that REVIEWS things. reviews include spoilers. stop being such babies.

Posted by: glittergirl at November 29, 2011 12:36 PM

Highlights of Season 2, Part 1 for me:

- the initial zombie horde moving through the highway graveyard
- Carl, the deer and the shot
- Glenn at the well
- Shane and Otis go to school
- that final scene

Looking back though, I think we have seen some character movements. Glenn, Daryl, and Shane being the cases. The problem is that too many of them were either static (Rick, Carol, Carl, Lori) or too brief (Andrea, Dale) or disappeared for too long to matter (T-Dog, T-Dog, T-Dog).

The one defense I can think of is that this half-season seems to have taken place over a matter of days/1 week at the most. Still, tough to defend them when they get so much wrong when what they get right works well.

Posted by: Fredo at November 29, 2011 12:37 PM

His admission that he began to forget just how deadly the world had become was an interesting, microcosmic example of life on the farm as a whole, and is also oddly reflective of the flaws of the show’s insistence on maintaining that setting.

I appreciate that the writers tried to acknowledge this, or maybe they were just giving themselves too much credit. They've been on that farm for what, 3-4 days? The well bit happened the day after they got there, two days after the horde of Walkers nearly got them on the road, not even a week since the CDC explosion, and while he'd been existing in the midst of a full-fledged zombie apocalypse for at least a month...

Forgetting the dangers of the outside world would make sense if every episode was a week in time, but they're generally about a day's worth of story, so for him to say that creeping, incessant danger had been forgotten is just beyond believable. Comparing the well zombie to Portal made some sense, though, because I imagine that's probably how he looked at his Atlanta excursions in season one, as well. Thinking like he was a video game character, planning ahead and setting yourself up for an easy win, makes sense -- probably an extension of how he viewed delivering pizza before the dead started walking. Though, he clearly didn't put himself in unnecessary danger in those situations, knowing full well he didn't have multiple guys to respawn with. Would've been nice if any of this had been alluded to before that scene with Maggie. Does she even know what Portal is?

(And on a side note, this is a world where George Romero never made Night of the Living Dead but Portal, and probably any other pop culture reference point they want to shoehorn into the script, still exists?)

But, yeah, that last scene punched me in the gut in a way that this show hasn't since very early on. Even now, as I consider how the build-up wasn't worth it, the moment itself was expertly done. Really well directed episode throughout, actually. Here's hoping they right the ship in February, but this is a rare instance when I'm looking forward to a show's break. This thing is just exhausting, and not always in the best way.

Posted by: RobP at November 29, 2011 12:38 PM

I've agreed with your frustrations all the way through this season (and with the first half of this episode), and I fully agree that a lot of what is good with this show has been happening independent of (or despite) the writing. But I thought the second half of this episode was excellent all the way through.

Yes, Dale hiding the guns was easily the stupidest thing that a character has done yet (and that is a HIGH bar at this point) and they've completed destroyed his character, but given those parameters the confrontation with Shane was excellent. And more than that, Shane's entire freak out back at the farm -- his shooting of the captured walkers to demonstrate they're not alive, his decision to let them out of the barn so that the entire group was forced to participate in killing them, his casual execution of the walker Rick was holding -- was phenomenal. And for the first time, the show made me care about a) Hershel, b) his dead family, c) Sophia, and d) the rest of the group being sad about Sophia. This is perhaps the only time the entire season that they showed rather than telling us people's emotions and motivations, and suddenly the show was as excellent as we all knew it could be.

That being said, I give a lot of credit for this episode to the director (Michelle MacLaren, a Breaking Bad veteran -- experience that really showed in the feel of this episode, I thought). And I have a feeling the writers are going to squander this moment in the second half of the season. Robert Kirkman has said that whether or not to leave the farm and how to deal with Hershel will be a big focus of the second half, which -- seriously?? MORE FARM?? And the fact that the sneak peak at episode 8 is yet another Rick and Shane argument just makes me sigh. It'[s like they accidentally stumble into brilliance, and then don't know enough not to run straight back to mediocrity at the first opportunity.

If the writing room had any sense at all, the cold open of episode 8 would be a 2 minute flashback to Sophia's last moments beginning with Rick leaving her under the tree. Instead, I'm guessing we'll be treated to something involving Rick being! idealistic! and Shane being! pragmatic! Sigh.

Posted by: Artemis at November 29, 2011 12:38 PM

BTW, anyone else seeing that header picture and having "Thriller" play in their heads? No? Just me? ....OK


...that this is thriller
thriller night

Posted by: Fredo at November 29, 2011 12:40 PM

NEXT UP ON THE WALKING DEAD:

Hershel: I can't believe you killed those people. You have to leave.
Rick: We can't. Just think about it.
Hershel:I THOUGHT ABOUT IT
Rick:THINK ABOUT IT
Hershel:I THOUGHT ABOUT IT
Rick:THINK ABOUT IT

Repeat for 6 episodes.

Posted by: dorquemada at November 29, 2011 12:40 PM

To sum up the comments this far, this show sucks, and your image spoiled me.

/"The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small."

Posted by: jon29 at November 29, 2011 12:46 PM

Wednesday, what I saw between Rick and Shane in that final confrontation was the clash between two people who are both trying to figure out the best way to survive in the world they've landed in. Shane's violence, his insistence on confrontation and destruction will work and work extremely effectively in a lot of ways. Rick's belief in cooperation to build social groups and safe havens is a longer gambit and one that won't get results as immediately and viscerally satisfying as slaughtering a barn full of zombies.

The final shot, though, seemed to show that Rick is just as aware of the world he's living in and how the rules have changed as Shane is. Maybe more.

Posted by: Intern Rusty at November 29, 2011 12:55 PM

THINK ABOUT IT AGAIN!

Posted by: Riles at November 29, 2011 12:58 PM

I must be one of the few who didn't predict Sophia's emergence from the barn, because it took me by complete surprise. I just assumed they'd find her corpse in the woods at some point. The ending was just heartbreaking, to me - like superasente said above, all of their hope is gone (for both groups). I can't wait to see where they go from here in the spring.

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at November 29, 2011 1:02 PM

Let's be honest everyone, this show is not very good this sesson. I know we all want it to be great but it isnt. I thought this episode was good too but lets face it, only the last five minutes were good. This show needs a serious overhaul.

I was hoping Dale would shoot Shane. Is it just me or has Shane become kind of annoying? We get it, he might be crazy just ease up on him.

This show is best when Rick does heroic or meaningful things. The best part was when Rick shot Sophia. Finally the writers let him be somethijg other than a pushover. Come on, he was totally cool wth Shane sleeping with his wife? Get real.
Also the only reason the Sophia reveal worked was because we all had forgotten about her, because we didnt care for that storylne anymore.

Posted by: junierizzle at November 29, 2011 1:10 PM

Let's be honest everyone, this show is not very good this sesson. I know we all want it to be great but it isnt. I thought this episode was good too but lets face it, only the last five minutes were good. This show needs a serious overhaul.

I was hoping Dale would shoot Shane. Is it just me or has Shane become kind of annoying? We get it, he might be crazy just ease up on him.

This show is best when Rick does heroic or meaningful things. The best part was when Rick shot Sophia. Finally the writers let him be somethijg other than a pushover. Come on, he was totally cool wth Shane sleeping with his wife? Get real.
Also the only reason the Sophia reveal worked was because we all had forgotten about her, because we didnt care for that storylne anymore.

Posted by: junierizzle at November 29, 2011 1:11 PM

Your post clarified how I've been feeling about this episode, supersente. Thank you.

Posted by: Bob Frapples at November 29, 2011 1:16 PM

I remember texting a friend earlier that day: "ready for tonight? I bet Sophia is in the barn, chillin'". Not because I'm clever (at all), but as a joke because it sounded like the stupidest resolution ever. How does it make any sense? Who put Sophia in the barn? This had to be Hershel's people. How exactly didn't they connect the dots? They knew one of the main reasons Rick's group wanted to stay around was to keep looking for Sophia, a little girl lost in the woods. Oh wait, it so happens they had just, *days before*, put a little zombie girl in the barn?! Huh, hello? If Hershel is so adamant walkers are still human, why wouldn't he not want to re-unite Sophia with her mother, or at least give Carol some closure. Ugh. No surprise this whole Sophia arc is not in the book.

Posted by: -S at November 29, 2011 1:21 PM

Yep, Shane is annoying. I never understood the love for Berenthal, his wannabe De Niro facial expressions and half-decent acting.

Posted by: Riles at November 29, 2011 1:22 PM

Also, for those of you (like -S) asking about how Hershel's people didn't connect the dots with regards to Sofia being in the barn, on "Talking Dead" they said they had a flashback scene were Otis was the one who'd put her in the barn by himself. So… that. Frustrating that it wasn't included in the episode, and indicative of larger problems with the show in general.

Posted by: Intern Rusty at November 29, 2011 1:26 PM

It's funny to see Rowles get all pussyhurt above when he's consistently, rightfully, called out for his shitty editorial decisions.

Posted by: Jeff in Middletucky at November 29, 2011 1:33 PM

Intern Rusty, that just makes me all the more annoyed with this season. I guess there would have been time between her disappearance and Carl's accidental shooting, but having Otis be the one to put Sophia in the barn?!?!? Was no-one on the farm keeping inventory? There was the feeding scene - did no-one notice the new recruit at any other feeding time?

The only saving scenario would be an indignant Hershel screaming at them that he knew Sophia was in the barn and knew they would turn on her (and him).

Christ, have they been reading George Lucas' crib notes on "How to Ruin a Franchise"?!?

I had said last week, the only resolution for Sophia's absence (that I'd accept) would be Michonne arriving at the farm with her in tow. Alive or zombified, it didn't matter.

Posted by: malikvlc at November 29, 2011 1:38 PM

I appreciate the desire for a pop-culture reference with the mention of Portal, but it was really distracting; that world in no way reminds anyone of Portal, and if Glenn actually gamed, he never would have made that comparison. Did I miss all the walkers with Aperture Science Handheld Portal Devices? Any first person shooter would have been more believable.

Posted by: ck at November 29, 2011 1:50 PM

Let's face it...this a show that needs another show (Talking Dead) to explain what just happened on the show. That's a complete failure of the writing, and in that vein it seems Otis did lots of stuff (corraling Zombie Sophia being some of it) without anybody knowing. Kirkman is a hack, so what the fuck ever.

I hate to lay all of this on the writers, even though they've proven to be generally clueless. It's obvious that AMC's budget cuts have gutted this show in terms of pacing, story options, and writing talent. The farm saga could easily have been wrapped up and Rick's group back on the road for the mid-season finale. Instead, we're facing more farm episodes where Rick and Hershel will politely agree to disagree, Dale gets his hat back, and Shane twitches his head and mumbles (or shout-mumbles).

Season pass deleted. Bring Darabont back and I might reconsider.

Posted by: Barry at November 29, 2011 1:52 PM

"As for Shane, while his final meltdown was excessive and totally illogical... it at least served the purpose of forcing the rest of the characters into action"

i think this was Shane's actual intent.
Ultimately, Shane is a coward. He can't go against Rick and shoot the walkers dead (deader) himself. This was about motivating the others, (forcing their hand) to rally against Rick's authority in a moment that cannot be taken back.

This is further clarified when Sophia comes out - Suddenly Hershel's worldview transfers to the audience group ("These are our loved ones") - and Shane collapses, powerless against it, his guilt and his cowardice.
This is where Rick steps forward.
"Ok Shane, these are the rules you've set. Now have the balls to follow them through to the logical conclusion."
And he pulls the trigger on one of their own.

Shane covets Rick's wife, son, and position in the group. Yeah. Duh.
But Shane's struggle isn't over the safety of Lori & Carl, or the danger in that barn or anything like that, it's between his all consuming envy of Rick and his crippling fear of losing him.

Posted by: Scott at November 29, 2011 2:12 PM

Firstly, I mostly agree with superasente. The show hasn't earned redemption from me, but it made up a lot of ground.

The final scene ("Barnaggedon") was fantastic, in my opinion. Having Rick shoot Sophia recalled the first episode, when he shot the little girl at the gas station, so perfectly. It seemed like one moment where the writers were actually paying attention to themselves! It also complicated Shane's argument that Rick doesn't have the stones to make hard choices. Shane has plenty of rage and survival instinct to make easy choices, like shooting a bunch of anonymous walkers. But when the shit hits the fan, *all* of them froze, except Rick. Plus, by shooting her, he was taking responsibility for "losing" her in the woods in the first place. Not that I think that was "his fault", but still.

The final scene was also great, as someone said above, because it did allow me, for the first time, to sympathize with Hershel and the farm dwellers. I also didn't think Shane's craziness was over the top. He was boiling all episode, learning Lori was pregnant, that Dale suspects him, and that Rick is still "in charge" in other people's eyes, but Shane thinks he's unfit. And then Shane sees Rick with a walker in a dogcatcher pole? Fuck that noise!!

I also was surprised at Sophia walking out, mostly because I had COMPLETELY FUCKING FORGOTTEN about her, really. Which I think was not outright deliberate by the writers, but was the aggregate effect of, every episode, the characters *talk* about Sophia, Sophia, Sophia, but you don't see her, and kind of forget what she looks like, and some of the group seemed to forget about her too because they were so comfortable on the farm. It was just like, "Oh, we'll spend 2-3 hours in daylight looking for Sophia, and then we'll do some laundry, and chop carrots..."

Other thoughts:

Yeah, the "confrontation" between Dale and Shane was lame. But the Glenn and Maggie stuff was great. (Minus the egg, actually.) And I liked Carl insisting that they stay, for Sophia. And Daryl being Daryl.

I watched The Talking Dead after the show, and Norman Reedus was fucking ADORABLE. Almost cuddly. Loved it.

Lastly, everyone's saying they've only been at the farm a few days. I think they've been at the farm for weeks, at least. Carl is mostly healed, Shane is barely limping any more... The first three episodes or so were only a few days, with Shane and Otis going to the school right after Carl is shot, but then they've had ample time for gun practice, looking for Sophia to the north, to the south, at the housing development...

I'm glad to take a break from the show too, but so glad it ended on a high note.

Posted by: MM at November 29, 2011 2:15 PM

Also, exactly what Scott said.

Posted by: MM at November 29, 2011 2:17 PM

OK, so I'm pretty much just reading the recaps at this point, so maybe this is a dumb question... But if Sophia were caught/turned by a zombie, how it is that she wasn't, you know, eaten? I looked up the picture and she was barely disfigured at all. She didn't strike me as the type of crafty girl who could sustain a zombie bite and then have the wherewithal to escape from the zombie after sustaining said bite. It's not like the zombie would have been full after one small bite of little girl. Anyway, that's just my zombie common sense talking.

Off topic: I think it's hilarious that there's a Lennox ad running on this page featuring exactly hands down the shittiest wedding gift I received. "DREAM!"

Posted by: Stacey at November 29, 2011 2:22 PM

I was a bit disappointed in the death of Sophia. In the comic(where she is Carl's age)her character is interesting to me. A child growing up in such a horrible world, with her family gone. Her growing insanity is among the saddest, most realistic, parts of the story to me. Carl's growing sociopathic tendencies as well. None of which the show bothers to deal with.

And dammit, get to the prison already. And we really need Michone and the Governor...

Posted by: Sean at November 29, 2011 2:26 PM

Stacey,
Maybe she just died of exposure.

... but that would mean... dun dun duuuun!

Posted by: Scott at November 29, 2011 2:28 PM

It was just like, "Oh, we'll spend 2-3 hours in daylight looking for Sophia, and then we'll do some laundry, and chop carrots..."

At some point during this last episode, when things started coming to a head, Darryl even said something about him being the only one who taking this looking for Sophia thing "seriously", since no one had gone out to look for her.

But if Sophia were caught/turned by a zombie, how it is that she wasn't, you know, eaten?

Mrs. Donut raised the same question. I guess it's possible that some zombie stumbled upon her, got a bite, and then while being biten she had an adrenaline surge or great panic, kicked or squirmed her way out of its grasp, ran away and died somewheres alone.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at November 29, 2011 2:34 PM

Scott, do you mean exposure to the zombie virus as if it's airborne or exposure to the elements? Because if you mean the latter, I may be mistaken but I thought the zombie rules in The Walking Dead were that you needed to be bitten to be turned. I know in some (most?) zombie lure all you need to do is die to turn into a zombie.

Posted by: Stacey at November 29, 2011 2:37 PM

Maybe Sophia was bitten, got away, ran to hide out in that house Darryl found, died there, woke up zombified, and made her way to wherever Otis found her and herded her into the barn.
Honestly I don't care. I thought the episode was great and I was heartbroken at the end.

Posted by: Whorish Mouth at November 29, 2011 2:40 PM

I guess it's possible that some zombie stumbled upon her, got a bite, and then while being biten she had an adrenaline surge or great panic, kicked or squirmed her way out of its grasp, ran away and died somewheres alone.

Glad I'm not the only one who questioned that. I mean, yeah, that's the most likely "explanation," but seems like kind of a leap of faith. The whole fact that they made a point of gutting a zombie looking for her remains makes it a bit suspect to have her nearly untouched. At least make her be disemboweled or something.

And yes, I know that I spend way too much time thinking about a show that I'm not even watching anymore.

Posted by: Stacey at November 29, 2011 2:43 PM

Stacey, i meant the elements.
The CDC doctor whispered something grim to Rick. i'm just spitballing here.

Posted by: Scott at November 29, 2011 2:43 PM

Not to bring up The Talking Dead again (yes, I get it, if you need an after-show to explain the show, it's a terrible show, whatever), they mentioned about Sophia that she has a big bite on the *back* of her neck/shoulder, which you see when the camera pans up and behind her. (I didn't really see it, but I only watched the one time.)

Kirkman et al. very specifically wanted her to have no visible wounds on the front so that the group would be momentarily uncertain as to whether or not she was actually a zombie. Having a bite on the back shoulder implies that a zombie bit her *as* she was breaking away or running. I didn't think about the "bitten, run away, hide in the farmhouse in the pantry, wake up zombie", but that would seem plausible.

Posted by: MM at November 29, 2011 3:00 PM

The logic of how and why Sophie became a zombie and ended up in the barn do not matter. It has nothing to do with the conflict of the living people, which is what the show is actually about. As it's been noted before (and maybe those of us who read the comics take this for granted coming into the show), the "Walking Dead" of the title doesn't refer to the zombies. It refers to the living.

I think it should be clear to everyone by now that this isn't a puff-piece zombie show. It's a human drama with a zombie-apocalypse setting. They'll give us some gross out moments, some scares and the occasional thrill, but the story is centered firmly on the characters. Their trusts and betrayals. Their strengths and weaknesses. The conflicts. The quiet moments. The terrifying moments. The entirety of the human experience.

Those of you looking for a pop zombie show are going to be disappointed. We're never going to see a cheerleader chainsaw a zombie in half from the groin up. This is AMC, baby.

Posted by: superasente at November 29, 2011 3:01 PM

Because if you mean the latter, I may be mistaken but I thought the zombie rules in The Walking Dead were that you needed to be bitten to be turned. I know in some (most?) zombie lure all you need to do is die to turn into a zombie.

In the comic world, anyone who dies turns into a zombie. Getting bit will kill you and turn you, but if you die of a gunshot wound to the belly, you'll be a zombie.

In the TV show world, they showed a number of corpses still sitting in their cars during the scenes on the highway, which would seemd to indicate that in the show, the only way to become a zombie is to be bitten.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at November 29, 2011 3:02 PM

I don't understand a lot about this show, but the thing I really don't get is how the virus/whatever is transmitted. People get zombie blood all over them all the time and never turn. It even gets in their mouths, and nothing happens. Is the virus only in the zombies' spit? Do they even produce spit?

I know this is a stupid thing to fixate on, but when a show doesn't keep me interested, the plot holes just loom in front of me. Virus that is transmitted by biting is transmitted through saliva. That means the virus is also in the blood. But people wallow around in zombie blood all the time and nothing happens. No one is even concerned. Did the CDC guy said anything about blood?

Posted by: Three-nineteen at November 29, 2011 3:30 PM

"You had to see 'The Talking Dead' to understand why no one at the farm shared the knowledge that Sophia was in the barn."

That is bad writing and editing.

If the second half of the season improves, terrific. If it doesn't I simply won't tune again next season.

Posted by: lubeg at November 29, 2011 3:36 PM

319, those are all fine questions, but really beside the point, no? First, the whole notion of zombies/animated dead or what have you is really beyond scientific explanation. So, a virus that animates the dead/creates zombies would also, likely, be beyond current scientific explanation. If the rule is as simple as: you get bit, you get infected. I'm pretty much ok with that. That's not a "looming plot hole". It's a pretty simple rule.

As far as sci-fi/fantasy/horror type movies or shows go, I am fine with them establishing certain "rules" about their worlds without perfect, 100% scientific explanation so long as they stay consistent with the rules once established.

From what I recall, the CDC guy was pretty baffled by how this alleged virus works. It was a complete mysetery for the most part.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at November 29, 2011 3:39 PM

"You had to see 'The Talking Dead' to understand why no one at the farm shared the knowledge that Sophia was in the barn."

That is bad writing and editing.

No. It's only bad writing if there is no explanation for how it happened in the next episode. If no one bothers to ask Hershel, "Yo, Hershel? What the fuck? Why didn't you tell us you had a little girl in your zombie barn that might have been Sophia?" then, yes, that is some bad writing there.

But if it's simply a mystery as of right now, seconds after her reveal, I think it's fine.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at November 29, 2011 3:42 PM

I look forward to Maggie pulling out-of-left-field 180s again and again in future episodes. Her character as portrayed is ridiculous.

Dale hiding the guns? Yeah...what?

I do agree with some of the comments that Shane's barn opening made sense.

I can do without the pop culture references altogether. They're distracting, and their mere existence, which is inorganic thus far, is not funny. Be your own show, Walking Dead, and maybe you'll inspire others to reference you.

Very well said, superasente. I don't agree with you completely, but I do think the final scene was extremely strong.

Thanks for the reviews, TK. You've earned your break, and we'll be back for more zombie action in a few months.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at November 29, 2011 3:50 PM

I don't think Shane was wrong for opening up the zombie barn and killing everyones hope. If anything, it served as a dose of reality for the people who think the zombies can be cured, tamed, or rehabilitated. It also proved his point that it was a waste of time to keep looking for Sophia.

Posted by: Dingle Berry at November 29, 2011 4:02 PM

Three-Nineteen:

Rabies has a similar mode of transmission: saliva-borne and not blood-borne. I'm assuming the zombie virus is modeled on the rabies virus: if a person is only exposed to the blood of an animal with rabies, treatment is not indicated. It is possible to have non-bite transmission when open wounds are exposed to infected saliva, but not blood. Rabies travels through nerve cells so exposure to brains can also infect, but not blood.

Posted by: PaddyDog at November 29, 2011 4:10 PM

Then I'll amend my assertion, it is bad writing, editing and control of non-disclosure.

In season one, I was riled up for five episodes trying to figure out WHY that gurney had been so carefully placed outside Rick's hospital room. It drove me nuts. I wanted to know why it was done. BAM! Mystery solved in either episode 5 or 6 where they ran the flashback of Shane putting it there to protect him. Not only did it answer the question for me, but also created some doubt in my head about Shane - wow, maybe he really isn't a bad guy after all.

No where, in the middle of all that, did someone come out and prematurely say "Shane put it there to protect him, you'll see that in a later episode." It's not a mystery if you explain it right away.

By revealing that potential future plot detail on a different television show there is nothing to look forward to in the latter half of the run.

***

Furthermore, as far as character behavior is concerned in this regard:

Hershell wants them off the farm. He has actively pursued their departure for whatever arbitrary timescale we're witnessing. He had every reason to tell Rick, "We know she's turned, we know your people will kill her. There is sound logic behind why I want you, your people and your guns gone. Carol can stay. The rest of you must go."

***

Simiarly:

The two sides of the coin - "They are monsters which must be destroyed" vs. "They are sick humans which we must help" - could have been a fascinating, heartbreaking and intense debate up to this point in the season. It may still be in the coming episodes. But for the time being it is a hugely missed opportunity in eight episodes where we were starved for any kind of meaningful character development.

Posted by: lubeg at November 29, 2011 4:12 PM

It has nothing to do with the conflict of the living people, which is what the show is actually about.

Yeah, but the conflict of the living people is boring.

Like three-nineteen said, if a show doesn't keep you interested, you focus on the plot holes.

Also, two facts: Hershel ostensibly knew that Sophia was in the barn; (not counting whatever asinine editing blooper that was revealed on Talking Dead) and Hershel wanted these annoying goddamn people out of his house. So why wouldn't he just have said "Oh yeah, we saw that little girl out in the woods and she was a zombie and we killed her." The end.

Posted by: Stacey at November 29, 2011 4:18 PM

PaddyDog - thanks!

Forbiddendonut: I said it was a stupid thing to fixate on. Now I can focus on why Dale wanted to hide/ throw away the guns.

Posted by: Three-nineteen at November 29, 2011 4:40 PM

I will continue watching this show, no matter what...

...BUT, please AMC, bring back Frank Darabont, and let's get back to Season 1 awesomeness.

Posted by: OldSchool60 at November 29, 2011 4:46 PM

Also, two facts: Hershel ostensibly knew that Sophia was in the barn...

This is not a fact, but an assumption. I imagine the explanation will be that Otis must have brought the girl into the barn sometime before Carl was shot and that no one ever mentioned anything about Sophia to Otis before he died. The barn was pretty dark and it's very possible that the woman who fed the zombies the chickens on occassion never noticed Sophia. I doubt she'd spend any more time in the barn than she had to and probably didn't want to get a good look at anyone down there, since some of them were likely friends and/or relatives.

Thus, it's entirely possible that the only person who knew Sophia (or any little girl who might be Sophia) was in the barn was Otis and he was dead before he ever knew they were looking for a little girl.

Now I can focus on why Dale wanted to hide/ throw away the guns.

He wanted to hide the guns from Shane because was afraid of what Shane might do with them. I am sure Dale was afraid that Shane might either (1) kill the zombies in the barn against Hershel's wishes or (2) perhaps even kill Hershel and/or the others in his group so that their "group" could stay safely at the farm. His concerns weren't stupid or unfounded. His plan wasn't all that solid, but he panicked and did the best he could. People do stupid shit sometimes, especially when panicked.

Yeah, but the conflict of the living people is boring.

I don't find it that boring. But I admit that I'm one of the few.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at November 29, 2011 4:48 PM

I thought it was pretty obvious from the way they very deliberately said, "Otis was the one who always corralled the zombies with the pole" that they were setting up that no one but Otis (now deceased) knew that Sophia was in the barn.

Plus, in scenes from the next episode, the first thing the group does is ask Hershel "WHAT THE FUCK why didn't you tell us Sophia was in the barn"??

Posted by: MM at November 29, 2011 4:55 PM

By revealing that potential future plot detail on a different television show there is nothing to look forward to in the latter half of the run.

I don't watch "Talking Dead". I simply extrapolated my theory based on what MM noted above. In most cases, this show gives you enough to work with to figure things out.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at November 29, 2011 5:04 PM

So the next episode is "Nebraska". If they leave the farm to find Mother Abigail, I'm gonna punch a puppy.

Posted by: dorquemada at November 29, 2011 5:15 PM

They're going to have to jump through a lot of hoops to explain why Otis didn't tell Herschel, who is happily running his own little dictatorship and does not brook dissent, that there was a new little girl zombie in the barn. It would never occur to Otis to not tell Herschel or wait to tell Herschel until after hunting.

So, Dale hides/ throws away most of the guns because he's afraid of Shane, even though they're the only protection his group has from zombies? That's really weak.

Although now I think I'm going to ignore Dale and fixate on why the farm is magically so zombie-free no one has to carry guns. I assume they're going with the "natural barrier of quicksand-like silt" but again, really lame. This is the only farm around with silt? The farm is surrounded by silt like it has a moat? Herschel doesn't kill zombies and puts them in the barn, but there were only a couple dozen zombies in the barn. Why so few?

Posted by: Three-nineteen at November 29, 2011 5:44 PM

It looks like the zombies are attracted to the motion of living things. Without something to get their attention, they tend to stay pretty much put. There were zombies sitting in the church. The zombies in the barn didn't get riled up until people outside attracted their attention, or a crippled chicken was tossed to them. The interstate horde walked right on past people who were being quiet and non-obvious.

So if that farm is five miles or so from the nearest population center -- and it's a farm, so, acreage -- there'd have to be a lot of activity for the zombies to follow all the way out to the back of beyond. Five miles is a long way for a meander, especially through underbrush and across streams.

I can see where if they rounded up 20 zombies or so, that would be all of them who wandered inside their perimeter.

Posted by: Wednesday at November 29, 2011 6:22 PM

Like superasente I think you are too quick to dismiss Sophia and her use in the episode. I wasn't *surprised* when she came out, but I enjoyed how it wove into nearly every character story they are trying to tell. Consider:

- Carol breaks down and acts irrationally running to her, check
- Daryl saves Carol (and yes Reedus is absolutely out of the park with his performance on this character)
- Shane, increasingly erratic and tormented, can't bring himself to kill the one zombie he actually knows, because ultimately he is a coward
- Rick, the almost passive leader, in the end is the one with the balls to do the deed. And he doesn't do it from afar, he doesn't do it in a rage, he really owns it. He walks right up to her and looks her in the face at near point blank range before he pulls the trigger.
- Dale shows up late (this was deliberate), powerless to affect the outcome

This season has been fairly poor, this episode was contrived in how it brought things together, but that last scene actually showed though and planning on the part of the writers, and was well done.

Posted by: frobme at November 29, 2011 7:02 PM

Wow, for people that have "given up" on The Walking Dead, you're spending a lot of time weeding through show recaps, other peoples' comments, shows about the show, etc. That's a lot of love for a bunch of haters. Let's face it, we're all bitten and the only cure is to put us down...

Posted by: Shtunk at November 29, 2011 9:14 PM

I'm glad I read the recap before I watched the episode. Because just about every single thing I've read about it comes down to "It sucked...but the last five minutes were awesome!" and just...fuck that. I don't want to watch that shit. It's not worth it to sit around for an hour watching the characters bitch and whine and not move and to have something awesome happen at the end. That's not an accomplishment!

I'm done with the damned thing.

Posted by: figgy at November 29, 2011 10:31 PM

I didn't think Sophia was gonna be in the barn until the pause between the last walker and the shot of her feet. And I said it in jest! No matter what you thought about the rest of the season, that had to have grabbed your emotions. It was really devastating.

I have to admit that a this point, I'm Team Shane. Yes, he's a hot mess, but he really got the short end of the stick. He had Lori and Carl and then Rick came back and Lori started acting like he didn't even exist. He WAS the leader until Rick got back too. I don't care if he was my brother, that would piss me off and affect my decision-making skills. By the way, not ONE other person turned down a gun to shoot the Barn Walkers. So why is Shane getting all the heat??

I am really bothered by Dale's whole "realization" about Shane. He said the story wasn't clear, but Shane actually told the exact same story like four times. Between that and trying to get rid of some of the guns (remember Andrea and Shane already had theirs), Dale is kinda pissing me off. But I really don't think Shane would kill him. He might be losing his marbles, but he had a reason to kill Otis and he was away from everyone else. If he killed Dale, it would be kinda obvious!

You guys should really watch Talking Dead. They get great guests and answer a lot of the same questions being brought up. And a half hour of Norman Reedus being so cute I could die was worth all 10 hours I devoted to the show so far.

**Team Daryl 4EVA!** (Although if they hook him up with Carol, I might puke a little...)

Posted by: jayem at November 29, 2011 11:45 PM

My biggest issue with this first half of the second season was the ridiculous pacing... I kept trying to figure out how much time has passed since Rick woke up. Not to try to work out some algorithmic theorem regarding the father of Lori's baby, I could care less. But since Rick joined the group, how much time has passed? A month? Two months? It definitely seems to me like regardless of how much time has passed, we are still in the same season. Like they say in Game of Thrones, "Winter is coming."

I don't know what they will use from the books anymore, but goddamn make the fuckin time pass faster. I lost track of how many episodes this story arc took, but it should have been no more than three to begin with and something else could have been accomplished. When I read the books I tended to think Kirkman was going too fast during Book 1. Jesus, I don't know at this point if I'll ever see snowfall on this show before it goes off the air. Much less all the other characters everyone is clamoring for.

When this show was announced and the premiere episode aired, I kept hoping to hear news of a "Y the Last Man" series, which I hoped for on a Showtime or HBO but would except on basic cable (hey I liked that Legend of the Seeker show, but mostly because of Cara; though I can understand why fans of the books could have issues with it), but now I'm scared someone might make "Y the Last Man" and it will dull the hell out of people like the second season of Walking Dead. How does a zombie apocalypse show become incredibly boring? You're Doing It Wrong!

Posted by: protoformX at November 30, 2011 12:19 AM

And a half hour of Norman Reedus being so cute I could die was worth all 10 hours I devoted to the show so far.

Yes! That's what I'm saying! Ah-Dorable!!!

Posted by: MM at November 30, 2011 12:54 AM

Right, MM?! He said he "goosed" Melissa McBride (Carol). A-fucking-dorable.

I love him. Wanna-have-all-his-redneck-hillbilly-apocalypse-babies love him. If I was a cartoon, my eyes would be shaped like hearts. Love. Him.

Posted by: jayem at November 30, 2011 1:58 AM

I thought it was pretty obvious from the way they very deliberately said, "Otis was the one who always corralled the zombies with the pole" that they were setting up that no one but Otis (now deceased) knew that Sophia was in the barn.

Posted by: MM at November 29, 2011 4:55 PM

Did someone in fact say that during the capture scene? If so, then I apologize. I was watching the episode with family and a rather loud dog was trying to convince us to let her go hunt squirrels at that point in the show, so I very easily could have missed it.

Posted by: lubeg at November 30, 2011 10:50 AM

The finale was pretty weak, taking season 2 in it's entirety the season has been mediocre at best. The finale featured plenty of talking about the same stuff over and over. Just how many monologues and self righteous speeches does Rick really need to make for us to understand his position?

Then the ending was ok, but there was zero threat. I wanted them to break out and get scattered so there was some danger. That was just a shooting gallery. The Sophia-zombie makeup was fantastic. But that whole plot is just dumb, I’m glad it’s over. How long was Rick gone after he stashed her in the log, a half hour at best? Why did she go running away? It has never made any sense how she got that far away from the group. Turning her in to a zombie was a cop-out, now they don’t have to come up with an explanation. “It’s in the script” tends to be the mantra for the series now. Why does Dale flip out and wildly speculate about Shane’s actions? It’s in the script. Why would Dale hide the guns? It’s in the script? How did Sophia get herself so massively lost and separated in what seemed to be 30 minutes at most? It’s in the script.

The show is incredibly lazy and the lack of budget AMC is willing to put up is showing through. I love the comic series, but this is an incredibly weak adaptation. I was hoping the finale would have them leaving the farm but from the preview it seems to be the same old story continuing after a 2 month break. I probably will tune in when it comes back because there isn't that much that I watch in the first part of the year, but it's no longer appointment viewing that's for sure.

However, I have to give proper acknowledgement to KNB's fantastic makeup effects. When the zombies are on screen, you can at least see the phenomenal work that went in to them. Especially the "glamour" zombies like Sophia and the one in the well.

Posted by: TylerDFC at November 30, 2011 11:30 AM

In regards to the group only being at the farm 3-4 days, that is not actually the case. They've actually been there for weeks, if not a months. After all, Carl has made a complete recovery from a gunshot wound to the abdomen, which is a very serious injury. In that context Glen's comments make a bit more sense, though the use of Portal as the video game reference doesn't really make a lot of sense.

That being said, the fact that the show had Carl in bed with his mother at his bedside in one episode, and had him wanting to learn to shoot in the next episode, without any transition in his character's condition is endemic of the lackadaisical writing on the show, so confusion about the timeline falls squarely into their laps, and really cannot be blamed on the viewers.

Posted by: CptCrckpot at November 30, 2011 6:53 PM