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Rather than having someone post their meandering thoughts on the last year in television, we opted to have four people provide lots of meandering thoughts on the year in TV. Welcome to Pajiba’s Roundtable on the Television Year that Was.

Seth:

Looking back on the year in TV, my initial reaction was to label it underwhelming. The cloud of the writers’ strike left its stink on two seasons, fucking last spring up but good and rippling into the least “new” new fall season ever. Good freshman shows from last year came back for sophomore reboots this fall and, but for “Chuck,” pretty much wound up unable to defeat the cards stacked against them. New shows didn’t fare much better, with “The Mentalist” being the only true fall hit (although “Fringe” managed to do okay for itself). With the pay and free cable networks coming more and more into their own, the traditional networks are finding more and more trouble keeping weekly viewers. And then you’ve got DVDs and DVRs and the Net taking further bites out of weekly watchers, not to mention the general apathy I think the strike left many feeling.

And yet, when I started to really think on it, things weren’t so bad, were they? Sure, there was the same amount of crap there ever is, with “Knight Rider” leading the pack. But I don’t think there was more crap than usual. And the good stuff? We got to see the best show in the history of television (“The Wire”) bow out relatively gracefully. We saw another great drama (“The Shield”) end in, from what I understand, was one of the best series finales ever (I fully own my shame in not having watched this show yet). We saw a pop culture sensation (“Lost”) return from the depths of boredom (all the while another pop culture show (“Heroes”) dug itself deeper into a hole of meh from whence it’s likely never to return). “Mad Men,” “Battlestar Galactica,” “Sons of Anarchy,” “Breaking Bad,” “30 Rock,” “Generation Kill,” “Dexter” … there was really a lot of good shit on this year.

I’m not one for top ten lists, but I think you could take those suckers and build a list that could go head to head with any other year. So fuck underwhelming — I think this was a rather outstanding year for television.

the-unit.jpgI’ll leave off my opening missive with this — of all the great shows listed above, I didn’t mention the show I actually most enjoyed watching this year. And much though I love “The Real World/Road Rules Challenge,” that’s not what I’m talking about. No — while not one of the best shows on TV, now or ever, I absolutely fucking love “The Unit.” It’s not consistent. Sometimes the women’s storylines are crap (but the gals are also sometimes given A-material and fucking knock it out). Sometimes the mission plots are a mess. But through and through, I find that the show has managed to do what few others have ever been able to consistently pull off (I’m pointing my finger right into your chest, “24”), by being a good action show. Smart, occasionally funny, well acted and almost always well written, with gripping action pieces and plots (both episodic and ongoing) that keep me from turning away. So many shows have become background noise for me now, something that’s on while I surf the net, pay my bills, put curlers in my hair, etc. But never with “The Unit.” (Except for when the credits kick in — damn it, CBS, give me back the kick-ass opening from the first couple of seasons!) Hell, I don’t even watch most of my reality television live anymore and yet I still watch this one live every week, unwilling to wait even 15 minutes so I can fast forward through commercials.

So that was my favorite show of the season. What about you?

Dan:

I’m with you, Seth, when you say that the stink of the WGA strike hung over the year in TV, but I think the strike actually wound up killing one of the best shows of last season, “Pushing Daisies.” The show’s balance of whimsy and death was always tough to pull off, but the series lost storytelling momentum — and, worse for its fate, viewers — when it left the air in fall 2007 having aired only nine episodes. Plotlines were dropped or tweaked by the time the show came back ten (!) months later, and as much as I’ve cared about the show, it just wasn’t the same. And now that creator Bryan Fuller’s moved over to “Heroes,” there’s no doubt about the show’s gloomy future. It’s a shame, too, since it was great and sweet and heartbreaking while it lasted. Oh well. We’ll always have the Pie Hole.

bunk.jpgI’ve spent enough time and space praising “Lost” as the best pop show on TV, and it is, so I’ll leave that alone for now. But this year did see the best show ever end its run. My children, I speak of “The Wire,” and to those who doubt its quality or status, I say to you: Wise up. Its first four seasons were outstanding television, and I would go mad trying to pick a favorite between Dookie, Hamsterdam, or Frank Sobotka. But I say that the show’s final season was just as strong, as well as the latest reminder that most of the shows worth watching these days are on cable. I admit that the central plot arc gets increasingly whatthefucky before things start to become clear, but I stand by creator David Simon, a howlingly bitter ex-newspaperman who’s too pissed at the laziness of modern American consumers and their complicity in the crimes that ravage the underclass to let the show end on a weak note. Even as the body count piles up, Simon doesn’t give the viewer the kind of classic shootout or wrap-up that fans knew wouldn’t fit in the first place. But by the end, as the finale entered the last season-ending montage of Bodymore, Murdaland that we’ll ever get, “The Wire” had grown to something epic and mythical, a sprawling and damning work of storytelling and social conscience. When friends ask me about my favorite show, or the best ever, I tell them that we have to talk as though “The Wire” never existed, because to compare it to other series wouldn’t be fair. It’s just too good.

I also developed, this year, a soft spot for cornball procedurals like “The Mentalist” and “Bones.” There’s something completely comforting about a show with no surprises that’s still shot and presented like you have no idea what will happen!, you know? Simon Baker and The Girl From The Craft are fun together, as are Angel and Older Deschanel over on “Bones.” Plus that show has John Francis Daley — yes, Sam frakkin’ Weir — as a psychiatrist, which means it deserves at least a couple of viewings out of nothing but loyalty. The shows aren’t great in the typical sense of the word we mean to use, well, great, but they are consistently watchable in that way that lets you zone out, do a load of laundry, check your mail, and still be alert enough to catch every cheesy zinger and last-minute “twist.” They’re comfort food, if comfort food came from Taco Bell.

I think I’ve hogged the table for long enough this round, and I haven’t even gotten to the shittacular happenings on “Battlestar Galactica” or the glory that was Liz Lemon’s high school reunion. Whoever wants next: Fire away.

Beckylooo:

Oh Seth, I’m not sure you’ve fully come to grips with just how shameful your lack of attention to “The Shield” actually is. If you were just some humdrum occasional watcher of the tele who claimed “The Unit” as your fave, I’d say, “You should check out Shawn Ryan’s first show, The Shield. You might like it.” But you co-publish a pop culture criticism site on which you’ve dubbed yourself “The TV Whore.” Take it back, sir. You are no whore. You are a garden variety golddigger. For a television critic to profess love for “The Unit” having made no effort to experience “The Shield” is like a rock critic saying, “Hey, I found this killer record called ‘Nashville Skyline’” while ignoring what he KNOWS to be the superior ‘Blood on the Tracks.’ I mean, seriously dude. Just stop writing about TV until you’ve put Season One at the top of your queue. Then you can send me a big thank you gift for enriching your life (preferably something I can wear to the inauguration, cause I got nothing).

Full disclosure, I worked on “The Shield” for three years, but I’d say this even if I didn’t have a deep emotional connection to the cast and crew: the finale was as perfect an ending as a story can hope for. Shawn and crew tended to each character with love and respect. Every note that needed to be hit was played pitch perfect. The ending was deeply satisfying without being pat. There were no bows tied. Life goes on (for most), complicated as ever. But it managed what “The Sopranos” didn’t — to leave our anti-hero’s melody unresolved without making the majority of the audience feel empty and angry. I won’t go into specifics as I have to assume there are many out there who’ve yet to see the show and it’s an ending that shouldn’t be spoiled (though once you get there, it’ll be clear there was no other way it could have gone down). Michael Chiklis is a mother fucking beast of an actor and though he won’t be nominated, he deserves another gold angel looking thingy for what he did in this final season.

And Mssr Carlson, were there seriously people who didn’t dig the final season of “The Wire”? If so, tell me where to find them so I can punch them in the face for having no taste, metaphorically speaking, of course. Speaking of the final season of “The Wire,” Seth … Clark Johnson (who played Baltimore Sun editor Gus Haynes) directed the pilot and the finale of “The Shield,” as well as a bunch of episodes in between. Which reminds me … Dan, you too should be ashamed. Shuheesh to both of yous.

As far as the rest of the year, I don’t have too much authority to comment. I missed much of the fall season due to the whole helping elect a president thing, which means I haven’t seen a stitch of “Friday Night Lights” (aka the dying hope for quality, unique, compelling network drama). In trying to catch up with what did make it onto the tivo, I’m finding myself totally bored. john-black.jpg“True Blood” is laughable thanks to the phony southern accents and a bunch of performances straight out of the John Black School for Acting with Your Jaw (how you go from “Six Feet Under” to Anna Paquin and vampires is beyond my powers of comprehension). Jimmy Smits’ facial hair makes “Dexter” almost unwatchable. “30 Rock”, while still funny, lost its groove, largely thanks to the comedy cancer that is Jennifer Aniston. Let’s see, what else is out there … I’ll stick with “Fringe” for my boyfriend Josh Jackson (I stuck with “Dawson’s Creek” all those years for the same reason. I loving referred to it as “Pacey’s Crack”). “The Office” is doing just fine for itself (though it’s become a bit like an old, worn out pair of cozy slippers - not quite as fuzzy as when you first bought em but comforting and warm nonetheless). While “Mad Men” is hands down the most beautiful TV show to ever grace the screen, it’s also the most overrated. Really, my favorite show right now is probably a toss up between “Ace of Cakes” and “18 Kids and Counting.”

If the last 10/15 years were to TV what the 70s were to film, we’re in for choppy seas. Lord willing will get a Heathers to go with License to Drive. I fear the sun is setting on the Golden Age of Television.

Stay tuned for Part 2, where some crazy shit happens. We’re talking craaaazy. … Or maybe there’s just some more, you know, TV talk.


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Comments

Beckylooo, you are now my hero/heroine. I've watched The Shield since day one, and not missed a minute of it. I'm deeply saddened that it had to end, but better to do it the way it was done rather than a)dragging it out for fucking ever just to make a few more dollars, or b)pull a Sopranos. I watched every episode of the Sopranos shy of the last 2, because the local radio station spoiled the ending (no HBO in Canada back then), and I can't bring myself to bother now.

But I will miss The Shield. Every single character. Every twist. *sniff, sniff*

Posted by: Xtreme at January 5, 2009 2:14 PM

I nominate Beckylooo for TV Pimp.

Posted by: Cindy at January 5, 2009 2:14 PM

I found myself hooked on Fringe (who knew!), it gets better with every episode, especially the chemistry between the mad doctor dad and son, the creepy black boss reminds of that guy who can't get any sleep in that Faithless video.

I also highly recommend Leverage and Sanctuary. Can't wait for Battlebore Galactica to end the fuck already I hope the Cylons kill them all.

As for The Unit *siiiiiiiiiigh* WHY WHY WHY did the change the "Fired UP!" intro? I guess it's just as well 'cause now it SUCKS.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 5, 2009 2:15 PM

Beckyloo, don't let Jimmy Smits' facial hair turn you off this season of Dexter. Dude knocks it out of the fucking park.

Posted by: Snath at January 5, 2009 2:17 PM

Shit, I almost forgot about Dexter! I couldn't believe that something that sounded so off the wall could turn into such a well written, well acted (yet darkly humourous) show. And yeah, Smits was a big part of that this year. Did I mention I'm Canadian? Google "edmonton, dexter" and read the third hit. You've made the big time when you get your very own copy cat...

Posted by: Xtreme at January 5, 2009 2:23 PM

I don't watch t.v. that much but I can say without a doubt that " The Wire" is in my opinion the greatest show I've ever seen on t.v. my wife swears by "The Shield" she just about cried when it ended.

Posted by: Pookie at January 5, 2009 2:25 PM

I was just in here for The Office reference and I wasn't disappointed. I'll take old worn out slippers, they fit better anyway.

Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen at January 5, 2009 2:33 PM

Now that I think about it, the strike really fucked-up the scheduled return of my favorite show:

Reaper

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 5, 2009 2:43 PM

Well I've never heard "Blood on the Tracks", and I don't care, and I don't care who knows it!

I don't watch a lot of TV shows either so thankfully I don't have much of a dog in this. "The Wire" is really good though, I've just had a hard time finishing the last season since it became clear that "OHHHHH, this is gonna go so wrong and ugly" in the third episode and I had to slow down after blowing through it for the most part up to that point.

Posted by: Jay at January 5, 2009 2:49 PM

Sanctuary, Leverage, Fringe and Bones are about all I watch now. But Burn Notice starts back up in a week or so....Bruce Campbell is back!

Posted by: Adam C at January 5, 2009 3:01 PM

B-Slim, I fucking LOVE Reaper. Ray Wise is so deliciously evil.

Posted by: Julie at January 5, 2009 3:01 PM

I love that Bubbles has his picture on this post - talk about an extraordinary, underrated actor playing a very tough role. SPOILER The scene where he has dinner with his sister and his nephew in the show's conclusion? Tears galore. SPOILER

Posted by: samantha t at January 5, 2009 3:04 PM

Ray Wise is so deliciously evil.

Posted by: Julie at January 5, 2009 3:01 PM

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Damned straight, I swear, last time someone nailed the "Devil" so well was John Glover in Brimstone (which is being re-aired on SLEUTH Channel btw)

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 5, 2009 3:07 PM

Mad Men overrated? Not one little bit. I came in late to the show (as I usually do to new shows) and ended up watching the whole first season in like, a week. I was hooked during one of the first episodes, where January Jones is yelling at her daughter over a dry cleaning bag she's playing with as a mask -- and telling the kid she'd be in trouble if the clean clothes were found on the floor. That one delayed beat between what we expected to happen and what did happen as the reality back then -- and I know it's how things were because I'm just old enough to remember it.

Posted by: Wednesday at January 5, 2009 3:10 PM

The Wire is GODDAM IT's GOOD TV!!! Hooray. I actually enjoy The Mentalist for some odd reason, I find what's his name oddly compelling. And I do like Bones because of chemistry between Angel and older Deschanel (I had no idea she was Zooey's older sis, WOW!) plus Sam Weir is in it and he's as cute as a button. Man Men isn't overrated at all, it's food for thought and it reminds me of Barbara Ehrenreich's Hearts Of Men (sociology book about men and the American Dream)...I also dug It's Always Sunny in Philly for politically incorrect humor that gads above anything that Scrubs has to offer (I cannot believe they're bringing that shit back, I hate the thought of having to endure Braff again)...

Posted by: ph at January 5, 2009 3:11 PM

Beckyloo THANK YOU for finally mentioning the shield on here! I actually just became a fan of the show this year. I watched the first season back in september which then, of course, led to a one month stint in which I watched every single season and could not stop talking about the shield to anyone who would listen.

Great show, Michael Chiklis is the man. Shame on you Seth! You should really get on it!

Posted by: citizen_cris at January 5, 2009 3:18 PM

i watch a lot of t.v.--a whole lot of t.v.--but i haven't seen The Shield so i'm adding it to my Netflix. the only other shows that i haven't seen are The Mentalist and i stopped watching The Unit after a few episodes--sorry it's the voice, i couldn't help it. The Wire was brilliant, but i still think that Deadwood was the best show in the history of television. i don't think that Mad Men is overrated either.

i'm really going to miss Pushing Daisies. that show made me laugh out loud more than any other show i watch. plus it was fairly dark and quite witty.

i watched the first season of Damages last week and i thought it was pretty good. i used to work for an attorney who was exactly like Patty Hewes and i'm glad i got out alive--she actually pushed a paralegal over the edge. they found her huddled under her desk speaking gibberish.

Posted by: pq at January 5, 2009 3:19 PM

I hate this Internet mentality of "It's hip to hate Heroes." Its not the terrible thing people say it is. It's certainly better written (and acted) than the tripe that "Lost" consists of, and yet lost still gets this pass from interweb users. It's a COMIC BOOK drama. As an avid comic book reader, it delivers exactly what it promises.

Also, the Shield is shitty storytelling and poorly acted (it's actually a joke in my house to watch it when we need to be reminded how bad TV could get even before the strike.) The Sarah Connor Chronicles is romping good fun, Burn Notice is the sex symbol of television, Dexter is just fucking awesome (if you ignore that awful second season.) True Blood is just as goofy and fun as the books (you have to realize they don't take themselves seriously, and just go with it.) but the best show on air right now is the Seeker.

Posted by: Dagon at January 5, 2009 3:34 PM

EDIT: It's called the Legend of the Seeker. I got too familiar with it's shortened name.

Posted by: Dagon at January 5, 2009 3:37 PM

Damned straight, I swear, last time someone nailed the "Devil" so well was John Glover in Brimstone (which is being re-aired on SLEUTH Channel btw)

Slim, I hope that you're just talking about TV, because being the Keanu-phile you are, I figured that you liked Peter Stormare small role in Constantine.

Posted by: branded at January 5, 2009 3:39 PM

I'm glad I can still trust you guys for movies reviews because your taste in TV sucks donkey. Or maybe TV sucks donkey and I'm shooting the messenger. Either way, I gave four shows a chance based on recommendations here and was not impressed. And when I say gave them a chance what I means is hours of online piracy and marathon sessions of each show accompanied by Ritz crackers, canned cheese and apple juice.

The Wire was an awesome show right up till it went to high school and turned to shit. I haven't seen the final season because I couldn't stomach way through the third. Mad Men could have been great except Don Draper is an unlikable ass, the supporting characters are even more unlikable and the stories are boring. 30 Rock is good but nothing special so I won't hold that one against you. Alec Baldwin alone makes it worth watching. In fact Alec Baldwin alone is when the show is at its best. And then there is Dexter, an awesome show and now firmly in place as my second most favorite ever.

Dexter is so good in fact that I now have to watch other shows based on your recommendation in the chance of finding another. So I guess its time to queue up "Battlestar Galactica", "The Unit" and "The Mentalist

Posted by: EricD at January 5, 2009 3:47 PM

Slim, I hope that you're just talking about TV, because being the Keanu-phile you are, I figured that you liked Peter Stormare small role in Constantine.

Posted by: branded at January 5, 2009 3:39 PM

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Hahaha it was just TV :)... As for movies, also don't forget Gabriel Byrne in End of Days.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 5, 2009 3:50 PM

ph, I know what you mean about Simon Baker...he makes me swoon a little.

Becky, I...seriously? You're going to trash Dexter and 30 Rock and mention that you were addicted to Dawson's Creek in the same breath? This does not incite feelings of trustworthiness in me.

Posted by: Smokin at January 5, 2009 3:50 PM

Actually Dagon, I stopped liking "Heroes" because it became pretty awful, not because the internet told me to. It's just a mess. I still watch every new episode, though, because I'm apparently a masochist, and I'm really, really hoping I start to enjoy it again, because I loved the first season so very much.

It's too bad about "Pushing Daisies" but I'm hoping Bryan Fuller was what I was missing when it came to "Heroes."

Posted by: Snath at January 5, 2009 3:55 PM

"Also, the Shield is shitty storytelling and poorly acted"

Dagon, I'm guessing you're a Goodkind fan? Might as well be a Scientologist for all the random nonesense you just typed there. I've read the whole series of Sword of Truth, and can even say I enjoyed it, but to consider Seeker to be one of the best things on TV? Ouch. I suppose you just loved Xena: Warrior Princes too?

But you're right about at least one thing, Dexter is one of the best things to happen to T.V. in a long time.

Posted by: Xtreme at January 5, 2009 3:55 PM

Is Life on Mars a one season and done type show? I really like it due to some true feel for the times but I think it is being shafted by ABC.

Posted by: richmac at January 5, 2009 3:59 PM

Is Life on Mars a one season and done type show? I really like it due to some true feel for the times but I think it is being shafted by ABC.

Posted by: richmac at January 5, 2009 3:59 PM

Is Life on Mars a one season and done type show? I really like it due to some true feel for the times but I think it is being shafted by ABC.

Posted by: richmac at January 5, 2009 3:59 PM

sorry, it was the fourth season of The Wire I couldn't make it through.

Posted by: EricD at January 5, 2009 4:05 PM

oh my god. I had no idea that they made a series out of Sword of Truth. Hot damn.
I'm going to have to get seriously shitfaced to watch though, cuz after the first two books, I just want to take Richard and beat the self-righteous snot right out of him.

Posted by: Stella at January 5, 2009 4:08 PM

You cocksuckers wouldn't know a good show if it jumped up and bit you in the ass. Pushing Daisies? The Shield? Reaper? Crap. Crap. Crap.

Posted by: sosumi at January 5, 2009 4:09 PM

And aren't you a bit of TERRIFIC!

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 5, 2009 4:15 PM

YES!!! FUCKIN' YES!!!!!!!!!!!

For so long, I always thought Pajiba disliked The Shield, mostly because it just never got any recognition...ever. As a matter of fact, I actually recall saying something about it (I think it was when I purchased season six, and was praising it...what the review in question was about is anyone's guess), and I just never fully understood why it failed to be recognized.

I've seen the entire series up to season 7, unfortunately. The thing is, I hate to come late into the season, and find out some turmoil is about, because it'll kill me to not know what is going on, and it will make me kill myself to not have seen what has happened, especially if I catch a critical point in the show and not know what led up to it.

But I am so damn thankful that the show has gotten mention here, in a positive light, no less. I recommend this show to everyone. And yes, I know for a fact The Wire is the superior cop drama, no matter fuckin' what (ha, I got that entire series box set of The Wire for Christmas...best gift ever), but The Shield has something else entirely going for it. And I love it.

Just wanted to say thank you for mentioning another great show.

Posted by: Riley at January 5, 2009 4:18 PM

Stella, I think I just fell in love with you a little! I almost quit reading the series because of the preachy, self-righteous style Goodkind adopted mid-way through. And he is a loyal Randian, by the way. And I don't have a problem with Randism, but it's a fantasy novel for fuck sake!

Posted by: Xtreme at January 5, 2009 4:21 PM

Good to know that I'm not the only person watching Leverage. I thought it was going to be cheesy, but damn it, instead I want to be a professional thief now.

Um, sosumi, since you feel the need to enlighten us, apparently, why don't you share with the class what YOU think good TV is?

Posted by: Nicole at January 5, 2009 4:27 PM

Xtreme, at first I thought "Is Randism some kind of obsession with Rand of the Wheel of Time?" and then I was going to go on a giant Rand/Richard Rant which inevitably leads to how much I hate Robert Jordan and...oh, my bad. Ayn Rand.

Also, if you want to talk about bad writing, Dagon, perhaps you should contemplate the Heroes spectacularly poor adherence to their own timeline. The dialog? Shit. The once complex and interesting characters? Dumbasses. Mohinder? THE WORST.

Posted by: HB at January 5, 2009 4:33 PM

Where's the love for "How I Met Your Mother"? Sure it's on before 2 and A Half Men and most of us are trying our best to avoid that but did anyone catch "The Naked Man" episode? It was too wonderous for words and it makes me want to become Neil Patrick Harris more than ever. Yes, Whedon-Nerds, it has your beloved Dr. Horrible and Willow. What's that? You prefer Judd Apatow? Well SHAM-WOW, it has Jason Segel too. All the elements are there. Plus the hilarious and vivacious Cobie Smulders. The show has so much to teach if you're ready to learn.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at January 5, 2009 4:34 PM

Just to be clear Smokin' I don't think "Dawson's..." was a good show, I just liked looking at Josh Jasckson, hence the season pass for the mediocre "Fringe." And I didn't trash "30 Rock" or "Dexter" (though we'll get deeper into my feelings on the latter in pt 2). I trashed Smitts' facial hair and said 30 Rock isn't as funny this season as the last two. Try to keep up, wouldya?

Posted by: Beckylooo at January 5, 2009 4:46 PM

Optimus, I have one word for you:

Slapsgiving

Posted by: MG at January 5, 2009 4:49 PM

Optimus, what I've learned from HIMYM is that Canadians are afraid of the dark, Jason Segel's crazy eyes will always make me laugh and a little moist, and Neil Patrick Harris makes the best fake lesbian ever.

Posted by: Julie at January 5, 2009 4:52 PM

Nicole - I kinda like Chuck, Sarah Connor, Mad Men and The Office. Oh yeah, and SportsCenter. Looking forward to the return of Lost and FNL.

Posted by: sosumi at January 5, 2009 4:56 PM

Xtreme Nope, no Scientology here. I enjoy programming that delivers exactly what it's supposed to: Entertainment. Tired old cop drama cliches obviously won't do it for me. The shows I mentioned (mostly) crumble under scrutiny, but the thing is that they all know it. I love tongue-in-cheek fourthwall-breaking humour. I love fanservice. Television that takes itself serious is intrinsically flawed, as any effect they are going for is automatically ruined by car ads and fast food mascots. Xena actually tried to take itself serious for a few seasons, but then it realized "Hey, I'm a fucking FANTASY TV SHOW, and got good, once it got really stupid. Campy bullshit can be entertaining, once you let it be.

After Heroes' delusions of grandeur faded, it got good again. It took the humbling realization that the steam of the first season was NOT going to be enough for fans to forgive second season.

Stella, Richard isn't nearly as bad as he is in the books. I think Sam Raimi realized that sort of behaviour was not going to work for a TV audience, and made him more of a laid back adventurer-type. Bruce Spence as Zed is magic.

Get it?

Posted by: Dagon at January 5, 2009 4:57 PM

Dagon - The Sword of Truth is pretty horrendous. Talk about lazy writing - um let's put the hero in a situation that's impossible to get out of - unless, of course, he discovers a new magical power just in the nick of time, yeah that works. If you want to read something good, try the Fire and Ice series.

Posted by: sosumi at January 5, 2009 5:07 PM

Stella you might be new to these parts but women don't ask Pookie questions, Pookie does the questioning.

Posted by: Pookie at January 5, 2009 5:15 PM

sosumi, Fire and Ice is the better of the two yes, but the SoT books are far from horrendous. It's a string of fantasy stereotypes strung together in an interesting way. It makes for great fantasy-TV, which, as has been stated before, is consistently bad/good.

Posted by: Dagon at January 5, 2009 5:18 PM

Thanks Jules, knew you'd have my back. He does make such a wonderful lesbian. Basically whenever he dresses up it makes for gold. The depiction of "Bro Culture" is spot on. My roommates and I emulate that show. We bought Barney's "Bro Code" for the room and it is Law. Rule 34- two bros can never lock eyes during a Devil's Threesome.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at January 5, 2009 5:23 PM

Ha! Optimus, my brother bought me The Bro Code for Christmas :) I loved the one about bros never owning little dogs.

Posted by: Julie at January 5, 2009 5:27 PM

I stand corrected. Far be it from me to misunderstand your intent, O Wise One. I eagerly await the second installment of this captivating endeavor.

*ducks*

Posted by: Smokin at January 5, 2009 5:35 PM

Don Draper is an unlikable ass, the supporting characters are even more unlikable

That's why I gave it up pretty quickly. Sewer rat might taste like pumpkin pie, but I'm still not gonna watch the unpleasant motherfucker. Rachel and Helen were not gonna get me through dealing with everybody else, I don't care how real and well-written the drama is (and it does seem to be), it was just no fun at all. Couldn't say it's overrated or not, I just don't like it. See also "Dexter". I don't want to hang out with a serial killer and I'm not intrigued by the idea so unfortunately all the talent I hear about's wasted on me. I don't want to not want to watch it.

Posted by: Jay at January 5, 2009 5:38 PM

"...hence the season pass for the mediocre "Fringe."


So then you went and called it mediocre? And afterward you claim 18 Kids and Counting as a favorite?

(As Nina Garcia would say) I question your taste level, madam.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 5, 2009 5:48 PM

HIMYM is pretty much unwatchable. Besides, we all know how it's going to end - Ted and Barney finally realize they're gay and in love with each other and talk the unfunny canadian bitch into being the surrogate mother for their two brats.

Posted by: sosumi at January 5, 2009 5:49 PM

While on the subject of reality TV I finally weaned myself off Top Chef, finally got sick of that douchebag Tom Coliccio and his fat fuckery.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 5, 2009 6:08 PM

TV Year 08 was kinda weird. Outside of Fringe, no other show really caught me -- and really I'm struggling to stay tuned. Well, except that I keep expecting Lance Reddick to tell Pacey to call McNulty to come solve this shit.

So far my fave character last year was Damien Lewis' Charlie Crews. Yeah, Life isn't the best show, but damn if it ain't fun.

Of course, it'll be forever known as the year that saw the end of The Wire and The Shield. No more Vic Mackey. No more Marlo. No more Omar. Damn. No more Bunk. Speaking of which...my fave exchange:

Bunk: I'm just a humble motherfucker with a big-ass dick.
Lester: You give yourself too much credit.
Bunk: Okay then. I ain't that humble.

Posted by: Fredo at January 5, 2009 6:12 PM

BTW, before I forget, I'm looking forward to Simon's next show, Treme, about musicians in New Orleans.

Posted by: Fredo at January 5, 2009 6:15 PM

call McNulty to come solve this shit

*sigh*

I love that I can hear him murmuring that, closing his eyes and then doing that down and to the side head tilt. Even when fucking with abandon the man was clenched, like how "Papa Was A Rolling Stone" never once hits the snare drum, and it's the funkiest angriest shit ever.

Posted by: Jay at January 5, 2009 6:33 PM

Slim, I hope that you're just talking about TV, because being the Keanu-phile you are, I figured that you liked Peter Stormare small role in Constantine.
Posted by: branded at January 5, 2009 3:39 PM
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Hahaha it was just TV :)... As for movies, also don't forget Gabriel Byrne in End of Days.
Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 5, 2009 3:50 PM

And Viggo Mortensen was good in The Prophecy. But that was '95.

Posted by: jM at January 5, 2009 6:40 PM

I think Bubbles and Omar are my two favorite characters on The Wire. They have HEART even though they're respectively a drug addict and a gangbanger who steals from drug dealers! He's like a "mfin" Robin Hood! Oh and McNutty is good too, but a different kind of good with no real heart really...

Posted by: ph at January 5, 2009 7:14 PM

BODIEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Posted by: Jay at January 5, 2009 7:46 PM

I confess, I've reached a point where there is The Wire... and there is everything else.

Now that it's gone, I may never follow another TV show.

Posted by: TK at January 5, 2009 8:08 PM

Fredo:
Thanks for bringing the Life love. Charlie Crews is so much fun.

Posted by: SilverDeb at January 5, 2009 8:16 PM

Oh man, I just went on a Bones binge this Christmas break. It's not great, and the last season was all weirded out by the writer's strike, but it's fun and I am in love with every character.

Posted by: kelsy at January 5, 2009 8:53 PM

I really have been turned off The Wire but all the love surrounding it. Isn't it still just a cop show? I keep hearing it's the greatest product of Western Civilization but c'mon... it's just another Law and Order right?

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at January 5, 2009 9:05 PM

AHEM....

It's just another Homicide.

Except it's not only about the Baltimore police this time, but rather most everything that's wrong with Baltimore and a lot of other cities, so the cops move in and out of the foreground and each season they add more characters without dropping anybody completely so it's continuity fun out the ass. I was dubious too so I can't complain about someone resisting hype (look how long I've been telling "Lost" and its acolytes to fuck off), and I don't know that it's the greatest show ever (nor do I think "The Queen Is Dead" is the best Smiths album) but I did enjoy it right away when I gave it a look. Good scripting, good acting, good characters that are fun to be around and don't cause you pain all the time, just sometimes.

Posted by: Jay at January 5, 2009 10:02 PM

I'm confused by the lack of love for "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" here. It seems like it should be right up the majority of this site's readership's proverbial alley. I watched the entire first season (just seven episodes) in one night last weekend and barely stopped laughing. Seriously to watch the first episode and realize that they not only didn't get cancelled, but have survived through four seasons is mind boggling. Thank God for cable.

Otherwise, while it's not quite as good as past seasons, I've loved this third season of "Dexter". Jimmy Smits is fantastic, and while it was a pretty predictable season, I really don't care about that because I think they did some really interesting things with characters.

Posted by: Joe at January 5, 2009 10:40 PM

Everyone's always saying I should love "It's Always Sunny...", but the characters are all fucking annoying and it just ruins it for me. Ugh.

Posted by: Brett at January 5, 2009 11:00 PM

I dunno...I thought Dexter was kind of crap this time around. Maybe just in comparison to the first two seasons. Yes, Jimmy Smits was awesome, but there just wasn't as much 'Whoa' this time around.

Then again, I didn't watch practically any other TV apart from that and BSG, so maybe I'm just missing out on the viewpoint that other shows paled heavily in comparison, and thus I just have a different sort of standards. Hm.

Still, I wanted more blood.

Posted by: vic at January 5, 2009 11:05 PM

Optimus, after the eye raping forced abortion that was Date Movie, Allison Hannigan can go fuck herself. She may be unthinkably hot, but she should have done porno before that.

Of course I still like her more than I'm angry, but god damn, the people of Buffy have been throwing away their career's every chance they get. Sarah Michelle Geller did both Scooby Doo movies, married Freddie Prince Jr., and did Cruel Intentions which only exists for the lesbian kiss scene. Nicolas Brendon drank his career away. David Boreanaz is in fucking Bones! And James Marsters is going to be in the live action Dragon Ball Z movie!

Fuck I hate the world! Why did you have to destroy the precious cast of Buffy?

Posted by: George at January 5, 2009 11:14 PM

I'm glad someone mentioned Legend of the Seeker. I kinda thought that since a large percentage of us pajibans are fantasy whores, this show would get a review. Please, TV Whore? Pretty please?

Posted by: JJ McClay at January 5, 2009 11:40 PM

I'm sure there's another column coming. These guys love It's Always Sunny..
And maybe HIMYM will get a little love around here too.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at January 6, 2009 12:23 AM

Just like to say how much I appreciate the lack of spoilerage in the original post. Very considerate towards us lagging European chumps.

Posted by: Adere at January 6, 2009 2:25 AM

Okay, whoever just turned me onto "Leverage" is my new best friend. I need to remember all the things you guys just mentioned, because not having any sort of television means that I have a lot of catching up to do. Nothing like a proper Christmas vacation to do it in, too.

Posted by: kalexal at January 6, 2009 2:56 AM

No love for It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia? It is the funniest show on TV right now- have you seen the Nightman musical episode?! I kind of wish Halloween would be now so I could walk around tomorrow dressed in a bright yellow suit- or in a Sleeping Beauty costume that doesn't really fit.

I have cultivated a penchant for light-hearted, guilty, (sometimes mindless) pleasure fare, like the new show Leverage, Chuck, and scifi channel's Eureka. Psych on USA is entertaining, primarily due to its leads' straight man chemistry and use of obscure pop culture references and geek knowledge for slapstick humor- along with Corbin Bernson, who is reason enough. Teen soap dramedy Gossip Girl was ridiculously good this year, but does't get much blog love- I guess because it isn't ALT enough- but whatever I think Jason Shwartz rulez! Teen dramedy, when done well, captures the zeitgeisty-ness of the younger generation (see the existence of the SOAPnet, seasons 1 and 4 of The O.C.). That deserves a shout out, imo. And HIMYM just keeps getting better- a special hour-long episode in 09 would really make me happy.

I thought Pushing Daisies really missed the mark in its second season- I think if I could go back in time I would have prevented myself from watching S2 so as not to spoil the show in my long-term memories. The quirky factor became nauseating. I was disappointed several of the storylines were dropped. Ana Friel began to look all skeletor, which was kind of freaky; aside from that her Chuck character became super annoying and exhibited pretty selfish behavior throughout the season. And while I know that Kristen Chenoweth is a fancy and mega-talented Broadway songstress, her random and awkward solos that became more frequent as the season wore on, seemed gimmicky, for lack of a better word.

Posted by: kayla at January 6, 2009 3:17 AM

Always Sunny is what that pussy Seinfeld wishes his show would have been. That episode where they go on welfare? The inbred McPoyles?

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 6, 2009 3:28 AM

SilverDeb: You're welcome.

As for "It's Always Sunny..." everyone I talk to that loves this show...LOVES this show.

But for some reason, I can' get behind this show. I don't know why.

Posted by: Fredo at January 6, 2009 8:15 AM

Actually it's funny that there's calls for it, and funny that there's no mention in the pieces, since it gets mentioned every other day here.

Posted by: Jay at January 6, 2009 8:58 AM

Did anyone catch how Pookie said my wife ?

Now, that's a twist.

And Fredo, you are dumb. 'Sunny' rules.

Posted by: jamiepants at January 6, 2009 10:24 AM

Beckyloo, I would never say I "didn't dig" a season of The Wire, but the fifth was undoubtedly below the standards set by the first four. The crazy McNulty plot line (no spoilers) was just . . . beneath the series. It's simple as that. And the newspaper room, ironically, was played much more stiffly and over-explicated, as opposed to the streets that Simon knows less intimately. Anyway, that's my two cents. It was still the best thing on TV, don't get me wrong. You can find me in Brooklyn; I await my punch in the face.

Posted by: John Williams at January 6, 2009 1:55 PM

Beckyloo, I didn't read the whole paragraph devoted to ThE Shield because I'm watching right now episode 6 of the final season (I don't live in the U.S.)
But I wanted to add that now that I've had the chance to watch old episodes in order to get to this point, refreshing my memory, I've come to realize everything falls in place (except for whatever happened to Army, at least for now). Sometimes you think it's too much information but they grab you back again...and who would have thought? Beaver gets to be the psycho again.

p.s. I watched today (again) the season 1 finale of ALIAS and just NOW I realized it was Will Tippin who left that guy in the wheel chair (one out of 5). Was it just me that didn't notice that?

Posted by: Mario at January 6, 2009 10:27 PM