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When The Rapture Comes, I Want to Be Standing Next to Sarah Palin

By MIchael Murray | Posted Under TV Reviews | Comments (154)



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Dear Sarah:

Excellent days to you my warrior princess!

I just wanted to congratulate you on your sexy and smart new reality show, “Sarah Palin’s Alaska!”

I want to thank you for bringing Alaska to my attention. As I am Canadian, I honestly thought it was a made-up country that existed only on a Risk board, like Kamchatka. But what I discovered was that it was a real country, full of real people who shoot rifles, handle bloody fish heads, dogsled, appear on Bill O’Reilly from the TV studio in their own fortress/mansion, people who, “Don’t retreat, just reload.” It’s a pretty cool place, Sarah, and I thank you for introducing me to it.

I also want to thank you for being pretty. You have awesome hair, Sarah. It’s as beautiful as Mt. McKinley, and I think I’d like to make a nest out of it to curl up into each night. And nobody wears red like you. You know that song, “The Lady in Red” by Chris de Burgh? You probably do because it’s an old song. I think Mr. de Burgh wrote it with you in mind. Nobody looks as good as you in red, not even a Christmas Playmate all decorated for the season.

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Apart from being an excellent travel/adventure documentary, I think your show made some important political points. For instance, you spoke of your neighbor who was writing an ugly book on you and your family. I liked the way you showed leadership by telling your children he was stuck inside all day being mean, when the camera showed him sitting outside on his deck reading. I like the way you see into the truth of things, instead of being distracted by the objective nerdiness of elites. It was also cool the way you said the 14 foot fence you built around your apocalypse shelter was an example of how America should protect herself from immigrants and terrorists and other people who wanted your stuff.

When The Rapture comes, I want to be standing next to you.

I also noticed that you used Mamma Grizzlies as recurrent symbols of how America must, and will, protect herself against evildoers. That hit home, Sarah, right in the heart. At any rate, as you’re the original Grizzly Mamma, I was wondering what you thought of the Grizzly Man, Timothy Treadwell? You probably remember him as the subject of a movie made by a German. He was a talkative blonde guy who seemed like he might have been a “confirmed bachelor,” the sort of man who might love bears more than girls. Since you know Dick Cheney and stuff, I was wondering if you guys trained the bear to kill Treadwell so you could be the undisputed Grizzly people and have complete marketing rights to the Grizzly Mamma brand?

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If you did train the bear to kill him, I want to thank you.

Way to free market his ass!

Also, do you think Grizzly Bears could patrol your borders? I mean, if you could train one to kill Timothy Treadwell, I bet you could train an army of them to capture and maim Mexicans! You could create a breed of Desert Grizzlies to protect American freedom!

What’s your favorite economic policy?

I think mine’s The Invisible Hand.

The Invisible Hand rocks!

I think I would like to put my invisible hand on you.

Did I tell you that you look good in red?

And that I think your hair would smell like pine cones and gunpowder?

This brings me to your husband, Todd. He has evil eyes, Sarah, and when I think of him I think of the movie The Omen, like maybe Todd is the Dark Prince that is using you to ascend to the Presidency. I worry about that.

On your stellar show, you referred to him as Captain America, but he reminded me more of Riker from Star Trek The Next Generation. You know the guy, right? Number One? He was from Alaska, had a beard and walked weird, like something was sticking up funny inside of him? He was supposed to be into jazz, but I never really bought it, he looked like somebody that called into sports radio to me.

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Todd doesn’t look like a jazz cat either. He has Christian Rock written all over him, which is good, because jazz is the music of the devil.

Hallelujah!

I like the names of the people in your family:

Tripp, Trig, Track, Bristol, Piper, Willow, McKinley.

The names all suggest rugged individualism, like everybody knows how to build crossbows and throw axes.

My family has names like John, Barb and Karen, and although my name is Mike, I have always felt more like a Track.

I think my favorite part of the show took place when your daughter — I think it was Piper—(or maybe her name was Hero or Tomahawk) was protecting her cupcakes. It was sweet to see a 9 year-old girl acting like a Mamma Grizzly and safeguarding her private property without any government intervention! When she shouted, DON’T TOUCH MY CUPCAKES! there was a tone that suggested she was using her shootin’ voice, and that it must be respected. It was like she was saying, “GOVERNEMENT, GET OFF MY LITTLE BACK!”

The other child stepped right the heck down!

Way to go, Piper!

You are a cupcake patriot!

I think you are an excellent Mamma Grizzly and that your children, and America, are in safe hands with you at the helm, or starring in a reality TV show.

I live, I ride, I am Michael Murray.

PS: Sarah, you should know that I am very much a freedom-loving entrepreneur (this sounds like a stupid French word to me. I think there should be a better American word for it, like Liberty Merchant), and I have a business proposal for you. I have designed a line of sniper towers that are portable and easily assembled, and I thought it would be great if I could get an endorsement from you. I have also designed a perfume for ladies called Country Proud, and again, if you could be the Spokes-Grizzly-Lady for this, I think we could make lots of money and fight evildoers all over the place!

PPS: I would very much like to touch your cupcakes.









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Comments

God damn it all to hell! I came here looking for the Buddha Mongeese and find yet another hilarious post which seems pretty likely to start a flame war. I've drunk all the alcohol, burned my lawnchair for warmth (I was misinformed) and used Rykker's asbestos tuxedo to insulate the pipes in the basement. I've got nothing left.

I'll be over at Go Fug Yourself laughing and pointing through my tears.

I said good day!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at November 19, 2010 1:10 PM

I'm a cowboy
On a steel horse I ride
I'm wanted (WANTED!)
Dead or Alive!

-- Michael Murray's new theme song

Posted by: Fredo at November 19, 2010 1:13 PM

Would you please, for the love of God, stop making me spit my just-sipped drink onto my monitor? It's rather damp.

Posted by: mswas at November 19, 2010 1:17 PM

I too would like to be standing alongside Mrs. Palin come the Rapture, purely to see the expression on her face when she realises she ain't gonna go.

Posted by: Paul B at November 19, 2010 1:18 PM

Why are you doing this to us? I thought we all agreed that the only way to get her to go away is to pretend she doesn't exist! She, like all the beasts of her kind (Snooki, the Gosselins, Heidi and Spencer, etc) feed on attention - but at least no one harbors fantasies about President Snooki. My God, people, we have a DUTY here. We must starve them all by willfully ignoring them!

For freedom! For democracy! For the love of the English language!

Posted by: Tammy at November 19, 2010 1:20 PM

I realize you are trying to be funny. You probably very entertaing to the core audience here. What I don't get is why this site would even review this show. It is abundantly clear by way of multiple posts that most on this site are not fans of anything Palin.

The overlords have been crying and bitching about the fighting, but keep posting stuff that will start the fires. I have a geuss why, the fires increase traffic on here. They want the trouble. So let my prupose an idea. How about a weekly article written by someone with a different opinion than most of you. The Liberals will have fun trying to pick apart, the Conservatives will enjoy defending the points made. Make it a review Glenn Beck's shows this week or something.

I dare you to try it. I don't think you have the sack to find someone to write it for you instead of just having another person with a liberal lean getting they're talking points from huffington.

Posted by: BigTodd at November 19, 2010 1:21 PM

I want to have your hetero man babies. That's fine with Palin because it's not gay at all.

Posted by: admin at November 19, 2010 1:22 PM

Please tell me you really sent this letter to Caribou Barbie.

Posted by: maverick at November 19, 2010 1:25 PM

So it was all just an contributor audition for you BigTodd? Oh Sweetie, you flunked the written...

Posted by: Princess Selprespectra at November 19, 2010 1:27 PM

And off goes BigTodd again....

Posted by: Simon at November 19, 2010 1:31 PM

BigTodd makes me stabby. Can someone please pour some bleach on it to make it go away?

Posted by: snapnhiss at November 19, 2010 1:31 PM

Dear lord no! Not me, I don't have time to write an article and then have my grammer checked. I meant someone else.

Posted by: BigTodd at November 19, 2010 1:32 PM

Why is Riker wearing gold up there?

Posted by: Todd at November 19, 2010 1:35 PM

And how am I going off? Daring the overlords to do something they know they don't have the sack to do? Just pointing out the fact that they are gutless.

Posted by: BigTodd at November 19, 2010 1:39 PM

Gold Riker: I'm pretty sure that is the alt Riker that was rescued from a way station. Blah blah blah, faux science, clone made, etc.

/Nerdage

Posted by: vryce at November 19, 2010 1:43 PM

Hey, BigTodd! Nice to have you with us.

Two things:

1. Part of this site's appeal for most of us is that we like to read cleverly-written posts lambasting shit that we already know is terrible. If this has to be explained to you, then you don't belong.

2. As for goading Pajiba into reviewing Glenn Beck:
"I dare you to try it. I don't think you have the sack to find someone to write it for you instead of just having another person with a liberal lean getting they're [sic] talking points from huffington."
Palin's show is on TLC. Beck hosts what only barely qualifies as a news program because it is aired on a cable news network. Why would Pajiba review a news program? Though, I am willing to bet the house that Pajiba reviews Glenn Beck's reality show if/when it happens.

P.S. -- To the normals: sorry for feeding the troll.

Posted by: Seany D at November 19, 2010 1:52 PM

Jesus.

Fucking.

Christ.

ANOTHER article about the Palins??????

What the fuck is going on?!?! This is literally the 8th or 9th post in about a week that directly or indirectly mentions one of these nitwits. Can't we just ignore these morons?

I'm having trouble avoiding the stinky whiff of obsession wafting through these hallowed halls, and it's kind of weirding me out.

Wait, I know what all this is about! Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like you to meet Dustin's replacement for his Ryan Reynolds crush:

Sarah Motherfuckin' Palin

I hope you two are VERY happy together.

*walks away shaking head*

Posted by: Kballs at November 19, 2010 1:55 PM

Don’t you just love the Palins? I mean look at the homophobic daughters, exactly when do these kids go to school? Now the matriarch is talking about running for President, I hope momma grizzly decides to run, Obama would win in a landslide. He’d win more states than Ronald Reagan did when he won in 1984.

Posted by: Pookie at November 19, 2010 1:58 PM

BigTodd
You are not being forced to stay.
You did not have to pay to get in.

If you don't like it here, then just leave.
Please.

Pajiba has been getting along fine for years before you turned up.
It will carry on perfectly well after you leave.

Shape up or ship out.
There's a good gentleman.

Posted by: Simon at November 19, 2010 1:59 PM

But I must say that this was pretty damn funny.

Good job, Michael Murray.

Posted by: Kballs at November 19, 2010 2:01 PM

HIlarious post. Now, I'm out of here before this place catches ablaze.

Posted by: Paultera at November 19, 2010 2:12 PM

Track, er, Mike, you are awesome.

Posted by: monkeyhateclean at November 19, 2010 2:18 PM

I'm so glad somebody asked about Gold Riker so I didn't have to and expose my vulnerable, nerdy underbelly. Also, Michael, you're my favorite American right now, even though you're Canadian.

Posted by: coveredinbees at November 19, 2010 2:24 PM

Seany D;
1)yes I get it, this is just one AICN Talkback.
2)I used beck as an example of a show that would work since it is NOT a news show. However your arguement doesn't hold water because there have been reviews of racheal maddow and the other msnbc douche

Simon:
what's your point? If you don't like it go away. Don't disagree with us because we can't take it? If you don't like my opinion ship me out if you can.

Posted by: BigTodd at November 19, 2010 2:34 PM

Wonderful post- and not just because of the content.

I tend to be on board the "ignore the Palin" train, but when done properly, mockery can be so entertaining.

As for BigTodd- the Pajiba 'overloads' can write about whatever they want. if no one wants to defend Palin or her ilk, then they do not have to pretend to do so just so people like you can feel better that the site is "fair and balanced" (speaking of which, maybe you should direct yourself over yonder to that certain "fair and balanced" bulwark on which you might find a lot more Palin sympathy).

Of course you can express your views and disagree with what is written on this site. But your proposal that Pajiba is somehow lacking because it does not actively seek out someone who can defend Palin or Beck is absurd. And if it bothers you so much, just don't read these posts- it will save you a lot of anxiety.

Posted by: balladofmaxwelldemon at November 19, 2010 2:35 PM

Okay, at this point we're just pandering to BigJed.

Posted by: Craig at November 19, 2010 2:43 PM

balladofmaxwelldemon;
you are right they can write whatever they want. I'm trying to make a suggestion that might increase traffic. Why would anyone just want to be a small cloister of like minded people? Are they not in this to make money? I bet they are. They may not cop to it, but c'mon. And I have Fox news and huffington in my other tabs already open. While I may not be the best writer I am very well read from many sources. I'm not close minded like others around here.

Posted by: BigTodd at November 19, 2010 2:44 PM

I am more than willing to write Mr. Beck a love letter.

Also, don't listen to coveredinbees, Michael. She changes Canadians like panties. Moist panties.

Posted by: Robert Scott at November 19, 2010 2:44 PM

yes because I like the Palin's and am a conservative then I must be be a redneck named Jed.

Posted by: BigTodd at November 19, 2010 2:47 PM

I think BigTodd is really Dustin wearing his cast off RR skin costume, just to rile us up and get more traffic. Not that I'm complaining.

Posted by: BWeaves at November 19, 2010 2:49 PM

I once knew a girl named Bristol
Her mom would shoot wolves from a helicopter with her Pistol

Bristol had a daddy named Todd
He was snow mobile driver and he was very odd

Bristol had a baby daddy named Levi
He liked to pose nude and get high

The family is a wreck
Because they love listening to Glen Beck

One day Bristol will marry
I hope this year’s Oscar goes to Tyler Perry

Please save the applause
And give it to Rowles

My work is done here
Time to go give my girlfriend a pap smear

Posted by: Pookie at November 19, 2010 2:49 PM

So let my prupose an idea.

I want to ignore you, but it's so hard.

(that's what she said)

Posted by: superasente at November 19, 2010 2:53 PM

Maybe the overlords shouldn't cover the Palins so much, but man, they're just all over the place these days, aren't they?

I don't agree with most everything Sarah Palin says, and I don't really feel one way or another about the rest of her family, but...sarcasm aside, Michael Murry is right, she really does have some awesome hair. So do her daughters. Someone needs to get to the bottom of this.

Posted by: Kowala1000 at November 19, 2010 2:57 PM

yes because I like the Palin's and am a conservative then I must be be a redneck named Jed.
Well, if the mukluk fits...

Posted by: clocker at November 19, 2010 2:59 PM

and if my left nut fits your mouth you suck it clocker?

Posted by: BigTodd at November 19, 2010 3:04 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!

It had to be said.

Carry on.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at November 19, 2010 3:07 PM

Oh yes just like that Mrs. Julien

Posted by: BigTodd at November 19, 2010 3:10 PM

now work the shaft

(In a few minutes, when you wonder why you can't access the site anymore, or leave comments, you'll know, BigTodd, that this is where you crossed the line, asshole. -- DR)

Posted by: BigTodd at November 19, 2010 3:11 PM

And the hole that is being dug keeps getting deeper....

Posted by: Jadine at November 19, 2010 3:15 PM

Or maybe some kind of insecticide would work...

Posted by: snapnhiss at November 19, 2010 3:18 PM

Have some damn respect, BigTodd. For a conservative guy, you certainly have a potty mouth. I wonder how the mother of your 11 children would feel about you speaking to another woman like that. Asshat.

Posted by: Jadine at November 19, 2010 3:18 PM

Wow, now you're sexually harrassing the regulars, BigTodd? What the fuck is the matter with you???

Posted by: Kballs at November 19, 2010 3:20 PM

I'm a Marine, I've turned swearing into an artform. and Mrs BT would give the "look" shake her head and walk away.

Posted by: BigTodd at November 19, 2010 3:21 PM

hey she opened up and said...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!
Posted by: Mrs. Julien at November 19, 2010 3:07 PM

seemed only fair

Posted by: BigTodd at November 19, 2010 3:23 PM

I'm not talking about swearing, I'm talking about...aw fuck it...I give up.

Posted by: Jadine at November 19, 2010 3:24 PM

*walks in*

*walks out*

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 19, 2010 3:27 PM

Know who else thinks he has mastered an art form?
Thomas Kinkade.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at November 19, 2010 3:39 PM

I'm a Marine, I've turned swearing into an artform...
Like Bristol has turned dancing into an "artform"?

Posted by: clocker at November 19, 2010 3:40 PM

It's like BigTodd is the Speidi of Pajiba.

Posted by: Jadine at November 19, 2010 3:42 PM

And, like Spiedi, he feeds on your attention. It only makes him stronger. So please, for the love of Pajiba, stop.*

*I realize this post is a form of attention but I am convinced it serves a greater good.**

**THE GREATER GOOD.

Posted by: coveredinbees at November 19, 2010 3:44 PM

Pajiba, as seen through the eyes of BigTodd:

Pajiban: I do declare, that Sarah Palin is just dreadful! [sips martini] Her ideas challange my heathan values. Luckily, I am insulated from the world by surrounding myself with like-minded elitists and needn't worry about her dangerous, maverick personality. Now, where have I left the penis I was groping?
BigTodd: [kicks open saloon doors and swaggers in, six shooters hanging at his sides] i'm the super cool awesome guy who is here to challange you your all in big trouble now
Pajiban: *gasp* My goodness, no! Not someone from the opposition! However will I maintain my miopic view of the world with a voice of dissention in my ear? Murder most foul!
BigTodd: that's right I'm here to show you what is right by arguing against whatever you like. i'm just as smart as you I read all the time
Pajiban: Save me Godtopus! Already, I weaken!
BigTodd: gays shouldn't be alloud to be gay in the military for their own good trust me I'm a veteran. i think they should but they shouldn't. its safer remember what happende to all the black people?
Pajiban: I will not listen to your words! You perspective is meaningless to me, not because you are wrong, but because I am terrified that your ideas have more credence than! Your personal history is relevant! Abraham Lincoln was gay!
BigTodd: why would you give your kids shots? because the government says you should it doesn't make cents. i have 11 kids i know how to be a good parent
Pajiban: My soul bleeds! How will I maintain my villainous socialist ideology in the face of such brillian parenting? I must attack him if I am to survive! Quick, everyone arm yourselves against the new-comer! He has the ability to destroy us all!
BigTodd: you won't chase me away i'm to strong and smart. i'm just as smart as you
Pajiban: Sling insults at him! Call him an ignorant hillbilly; it will weaken his resolve!
BigTodd: nu-uh your ignorant HAHA
Pajiban: Our words -- they do nothing! Our only hope left is to discredit him by calling him a troll. Get the torches and vials of 6-D-6dmg acid (range 10, 1lb/each)! We know what that is because we're also total dorks!
BigTodd: i'm not a troll. i'm really real you guys just don't like the palins because they don't agree with you.
Pajiban: Run for the hills! We are defeated!
BigTodd [un-holsters six-shooters] pow pow bang bang that's right run for the hills you guys

Posted by: superasente at November 19, 2010 3:44 PM

Lw/an'e' wins for sweetest burn ever.

Posted by: RobP at November 19, 2010 3:45 PM

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at November 19, 2010 3:49 PM

I bent my wookie!

Posted by: coveredinbees at November 19, 2010 3:53 PM

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at November 19, 2010 3:49PM


And my bird's breath smells like bird seed.

Posted by: Jadine at November 19, 2010 3:55 PM

I wanna do so much more than just touch her cupcakes.

Posted by: jthomas666 at November 19, 2010 3:58 PM

superasente just won EE for this week. If anything good came out of this post, this did.

Posted by: Fredo at November 19, 2010 4:00 PM

Fire. Fire should kill it.

Posted by: snapnhiss at November 19, 2010 4:01 PM

Know who else thinks he has mastered an art form?
Thomas Kinkade.

Not only is that the sweetest burn ever, RobP, but it brings back fond memories of the Jared Padalecki/Peter O'Toole movie that Dustin gifted us with, once upon a time. Now that was comedy gold.

Posted by: MM at November 19, 2010 4:02 PM

@ RobP ;-}

Mmmm, birdseed.
So, when I was a kid I had this Sesame Street Scratch and Sniff book. For some reason, one page had Big Bird making a Birdseed Pie. It smelled AWFUL. I think I scratch and sniffed that one the most because I just couldn't figure out 1) why ANYONE would include it in a book of otherwise delightful smells, and 2) on WHAT PLANET did THAT smell like Birdseed? I mean, did someone on the staff have to make a pie using birdseed (and which KIND of birdseed, there are LOTS of varieties) and then have people smell it and try to re-create the aroma for the book? And why in the name of all that is holy would they go to all that trouble when they could just as easily have used something far more appealing and easy to identify. Like Chocolate, or Vanilla, or cinnamon. It just makes no good sense. DAMN you, Sesame Street!
I hope you have all enjoyed this little tour of my brain.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at November 19, 2010 4:05 PM

I deserve an apology.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at November 19, 2010 4:11 PM

Riding the "jeezus do you hafta mention that evil woman's name on this website, EVER?" bandwagon.

Posted by: NeoCleo at November 19, 2010 4:12 PM

Umm, LindsEy, I'm the one with a bird and bird seed doesn't really have a smell so I think that Sesame Street thing you owned had to do something that they thought bird seed would smell like because of the whole Big Bird thing and all. Holy run on sentence Batman.

Posted by: Jadine at November 19, 2010 4:12 PM

Sorry, Mrs Julien. Will that work?

Posted by: Jadine at November 19, 2010 4:16 PM

superasente,

That was an amazing rendition of The BigAsswipe Monologues. Your portrayal of BigAsswipe, I have never seen a grander performance. I think we need Armond White to review the whole play.

Posted by: Paultera at November 19, 2010 4:23 PM

Jadine
Right, most birdseed has no smell, at least not much of one. Sunflower seeds smell a bit. I will bet that if one added water and oil and whatever else is appropriate moisture to create a pie filling out of birdseed(suet?), then BAKED it, it would stink up the place. But seriously, WHY make a scratch and sniff out of BIRDSEED PIE?

So, when confronted with the troublesome WHY'S of the universe, like 'WHY PALIN?' I just think 'Birdseed Pie.' It doesn't have to make any sense, someone just seems to have thought it sounded like a GREAT idea at the time.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at November 19, 2010 4:27 PM

Thanks, Dustin. I always knew you were a class act.

Posted by: Jadine at November 19, 2010 4:28 PM

Dustin has taken care of things at the higher level, but I figured I'd weigh in.

I deserve an apology.

Yes. Yes you do.

I don't typically wade into these things, but this one got out of hand quickly. That's really, really not what we're about. The Pajiba crowd may be a little sex-obsessed, but that crossed a line. So I am honestly sorry, Mrs. Julien. I realize that I'm not the one who should be apologizing, but I don't know that you're going to get it from the source, so this is the best I can do.

Seriously, folks. There is a line between playful banter and full-blown harrassment. You just saw it get crossed. Have a care.

Also, and again, I say this in all seriousness: We made a deal, some time ago. Goofing off, off-topic posts, thread derailing and the like would be (mostly) kept to trade news, Pajiba Love, and the like. The reviews were for discussion of the topic at hand. People put a shitload of thought and work into their reviews, including the irreverent ones like these. It's insulting to the writers and the other readers to have the comment sections devolve into these masturbatory romper rooms. So, I'm asking nicely, which is not something that I do often: please try to keep it at least somewhat on-topic when it comes to reviews.

Again, I'm sorry things got this far, and my hope, Mrs. Julien, is that neither you nor anyone else has to put up with anything like that around here again.

Have a nice weekend, everyone.

Posted by: TK at November 19, 2010 4:33 PM

But seriously, WHY make a scratch and sniff out of BIRDSEED PIE?

Well it is Sesame Street and they probably figured they could get away with it because, hey, it's just a bunch of kids scratching and sniffing anyway. Kids aren't going to know if birdseed has a smell or not, right? But they didn't know that the curious mind of LindsEy would be scratching and sniffing did they?

Posted by: Jadine at November 19, 2010 4:33 PM

BANISH-ED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Posted by: coveredinbees at November 19, 2010 4:33 PM

(In a few minutes, when you wonder why you can't access the site anymore, or leave comments, you'll know, BigTodd, that this is where you crossed the line, asshole. -- DR)

Starts slow clap...

Posted by: superasente at November 19, 2010 4:33 PM

Mrs. Julien, I'm sorry, it was meant as a joke but of course I'm not supoosed to joke ever I'm just this mean ole troll.

superasente, That was funny as shit... bravo man!


Posted by: BigTodd at November 19, 2010 4:36 PM

Thanks for the perspective, TK.

Posted by: Jadine at November 19, 2010 4:36 PM

So, back to the topic...I don't know if I really would want to be next to Palin when the rapture came. I'm pretty sure she's going to be BEHIND the end of times. It's kind of like Patton Oswalt's wonderful bit about Bush bringing on the Apocalypse. Only I really really don't want it to happen.

Posted by: Paultera at November 19, 2010 4:43 PM

Apologies, then, for being off-topic, but I had to compliment Lindsey for her excellent wit.

Re the review, I found it clever, in that it contained little substance, much like the lady herself.

Posted by: MM at November 19, 2010 4:46 PM

What is with the bold and regular type. I'm confused.

Posted by: Jadine at November 19, 2010 4:54 PM

Thank you Dustin and TK (and KBalls). I strongly suspected that my "honour" would be defended and I truly appreciate it.

I am so happy that Michael Murray's columns are here every Friday and I have started looking forward to them as a special treat. I read some of his blog this morning because I was so eager for this post. It is consistently hilarious and, as an expat living in New Jersey, a welcome glimpse of my culture and hometown.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at November 19, 2010 4:58 PM

Yeah, I was trying to find some secret code in there somewhere but now it's gone.

Posted by: Paultera at November 19, 2010 5:00 PM

@Jadine: I was editing a certain someone's comments, because I was bored at work. But it looks like Dustin deleted them, so you and I and he may be the only ones who saw them. Best for that, though, as they didn't contribute to the real discussion in the slightest. Apologies to you, Dustin, and Murray.

But, I did love the review!

Posted by: RobP at November 19, 2010 5:01 PM

And to you, too, Paultera. I should just get "FAIL" tattooed on my forehead.

Posted by: RobP at November 19, 2010 5:04 PM

It's like he never existed.

OOOH! Now do Ashton Kutcher! PLEEEAAASE?

Posted by: Paultera at November 19, 2010 5:07 PM

RobP - I got it.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at November 19, 2010 5:12 PM

RobP, I saw your edited comment and loved it. That must have taken forever though. I'm impressed.

For my part, I would like to apologize for helping to hijack the thread once again. I promised myself I wouldn't feed the troll again, but I just...I lost my cool. Hopefully my own comment didn't cross the line into "harrasment."

Also:

Have a nice weekend, everyone.

Posted by: TK

That's totally never going to happen again, so make note of it.

Posted by: superasente at November 19, 2010 5:16 PM

You killed me, Mr. Murray. I'm your biggest fan.

(dun-dun-dunnnnn!)

Posted by: replica at November 19, 2010 5:21 PM

On the note of Palin and the issue that first set this super fast but apparently stoppable train in motion, did anyone see the Daily show clip where BigMcCain basically gets told he's going to be looked at like Hitler in the history books?

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-november-15-2010/it-gets-worse-psa

Posted by: Paultera at November 19, 2010 5:21 PM

For instance, you spoke of your neighbor who was writing an ugly book on you and your family. I liked the way you showed leadership by telling your children he was stuck inside all day being mean, when the camera showed him sitting outside on his deck reading.

Best part.
President Palin sitting around bitching about her privacy being invaded while on a reality show that is invading the privacy of her neighbor.

Posted by: Jules at November 19, 2010 5:33 PM

What the fuck happened!!!! I walk down to the gas station to get a pack of smokes and cash in my five dollar scratch off ticket and I come back to find out that BigTodd got eighty-sixed from Pajiba.


Dear BigTodd,

As someone that has felt the wrath of Dustin and had been banished into exile, I suggest you use your time in exile for quiet introspection. And after you’ve humbled and prostrated yourself before Pajiba, you can then seek reinstatement. Right now you feel as though you’ve accomplished something, but trust me that feeling will only last for a few hours, then as your suspension becomes real you will start to feel a sense of despair. And that is when your rehabilitation will begin.

Posted by: Pookie at November 19, 2010 5:35 PM

I thought the scratch and sniff discussion was pretty damn funny, especially as a total non sequitur after TK's apology. Other than a few sour notes, this has been a very entertaining thread.

Posted by: snapnhiss at November 19, 2010 5:38 PM

Also Re:Birdseed Pie.

3 decades later, and I could NOT tell you a SINGLE other detail about that Sesame Street book, other than the stinky awful Birdseed Pie page, the one I was drawn to the most out of morbid fascination if nothing else. We often are obsessed with that which we do not understand, or that greatly offends us.
See also: Trolls on Pajiba and The Palin's.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at November 19, 2010 5:42 PM

Pookie,
Can I get a cig? Also, did you really get banished?

Posted by: Kowala1000 at November 19, 2010 5:45 PM

"the sort of man who might love bears more than girls." The bear ate him and his girlfriend.

Posted by: clancys_daddy at November 19, 2010 6:04 PM

I want to have sex with this comment thread.

Posted by: Rest In Peace at November 19, 2010 6:20 PM

Let's make it happen.

[starts to unbutton shirt]

Posted by: this comment thread at November 19, 2010 6:22 PM

Pookie,
Can I get a cig? Also, did you really get banished?

Posted by: Kowala1000 at November 19, 2010 5:45 PM

_________________________________________________


Sorry Kowala, but this pack gotta last me the weekend.

Yes, I was banished before Kowala. I was a well known misfit once upon a time, but now with the help of some good people I’ve changed my ways.

Posted by: Pookie at November 19, 2010 6:28 PM

Goddamn, I love all you guys sometimes. You make me laugh and laughing feels great.

Posted by: Jadine at November 19, 2010 6:54 PM

I hope this comment thread is a sub, I'm got my clamps ready for some nipple after-play.

Posted by: Rest In Peace at November 19, 2010 7:07 PM

@Mrs. Julien: I read that as, "Yeah, yeah, I got it. I got it." But that's only because I know how awesome your comments usually are. /kissass

@superasente: Thanks! From you, that's a compliment. (/kissasspartdeux) It didn't take too long, but I did step outside to have a cigarette in the middle. I considered going crazy with it, making it as formal as possible, but that would have taken forever.

I've only ever heard bits and pieces of Pookie's banish-ed-ment. From what I understand it's legen-- wait for it...

Posted by: RobP at November 19, 2010 7:35 PM

--dary!

Posted by: RobP at November 19, 2010 7:36 PM

*walks in, looks around confused*

Why does it smell like smoke and why are there partially shredded Thomas Kinkade paintings everywhere? Are those nipple clamps?

I miss all the best parties.

Posted by: Dingles at November 19, 2010 8:21 PM

AH!
So that is where to which my asbestos tuxedo disappeared!

Mrs. J.!!?!
I hope that you at least got a little laugh out of stripping me of my outer-wear to spare your pipes.

Sillyness aside, I am sorely distressed that you were accosted in such a vulgar manner by the ill-mannered boy who pretended to be honorable by calling himself a Marine.
He brings shame to the Title.
A real Marine would not conduct himself in such a way to a Lady.

I am sorry you were made to endure such an affront.

Posted by: Rykker at November 19, 2010 8:24 PM

hahahahahahahahaha

BAM!

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 19, 2010 8:32 PM

This might be the strangest, most disjointed thread I've read here in a long time. Yes, absolu--wait for it...

Posted by: Jo 'Mama' Besser at November 19, 2010 8:43 PM

--table!

Posted by: Jo 'Mama' Besser at November 19, 2010 8:44 PM

Terrence: Hey Phillip, guess what?!
Phillip: What is it, Terrence?
Terrence : *PFFFFFFTTTTTUUUUBBBBSARAHPALINBBBTTTTTT*
Terrence and Phillip : A-Hahahahahahaha!


Posted by: Some Guy at November 19, 2010 8:50 PM

Cheers, Dustin.

And there was much rejoicing.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at November 19, 2010 9:10 PM

good god i am sick of child-like american political infighting. it's like transformers without the splodey robots.

do you have any idea how silly it sounds from without americas borders? any? any global perspective?

you live in the wealthiest, furthest reaching and most oppressive empire that ever lived, and you live in it while it is floundering about trying to retain its hold now that it is dying.

the only reason the rest of the world still pays attention because a bigass wounded dying bear will still take a mortal swipe. China doesn't squeeze you out for the same reason--don't kill the spent culture that still carries assloads of nuclear weapons. you worry about rogue nations with nukes? i worry about a US that would plausibly take everything down rather than lose it's privileged hold.

but it is dying. and even that doesn't matter because global oligarchies will all be failing. the wealth and population bloom of the last century is spent and it was a one time deal, energy wise.

bush? obama? palin? conservatives? libertarians? who the fuck cares, it's all washing away. global wealth is on the wane and the countries that will hold the most influence are still on the ascension and it matters not a whit whether you and I agree with them, like them or revile them. in the future the "powerful" nations will not wield the power america once held, but they will remember how america behaved around the world with it's military bases and international trade bullies.

no wonder you are all squirming on the hook. but instead of seeing the big picture, you are still all caught up in your lost jobs and homes and impotent political factions, blaming each other for archaic political beliefs that no one with power gives a good god damned about, including your own powerful people.

if they paid attention at all, it would be to laugh at your punch and judy understanding of the world and how easily you are all manipulated.

it's one thing for pajiba to stir a little pot, but this is an entertainment site, and the entire site gets hijacked when you guys get caught up in the drama of your wheezy dying empire.

I normally try and stay out of your american wank fests, but then i come around to check out my "movie and entertainment" site and see all the articles mostly empty and the fish are all jumping on this self-important hallucinatory thread. if you are so fired up, hit the streets, protest, write (a real paper} letter to your own senators and congressmen. rebel, unionize or revitalize the union you belong to.

better yet, step back and see the big picture, there is an end-game-run on for last man standing, largely fuelled by america's refusal to cooperate on international agreements about energy, fair trade, fair diplomacy and climate.

I've liked coming here and will likely enjoy a far worse status than BigTodd for this post (don't worry, i can list it in my regrets), but this is tiring. armchair pundits, shut the fuck up or go do something political, don't wank away on a movie blog. what the fuck, really.

but hey, you can ignore this post with an easy breezy "don't feed the troll"

i understand looking for hits and clicks on a commercial site, but really, i have lots of places I go to examine political issues, including my university library and government websites. I come to pajiba for what wasn't elsewhere, a nice tight community of pithy movie geeks. I miss that when we get caught up in these issue vortexes that are inappropriate to this venue.

Posted by: idleprimate at November 19, 2010 10:00 PM

Well said, idleprimate.

I may just have to go rent Popeye in your honor.

Posted by: mswas at November 19, 2010 10:12 PM

"I deserve an apology."

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at November 19, 2010 4:11 PM

I could be really really way off base here, but I have read many a comment from Mrs. Julien, every one cogent, strong, well written and pithy. not a wilting flower type of writer.

I assumed she was referencing the Popeye film, specifically the patriarch of the Oyl clan, who was always feeling wounded by other people's comments and demanding

"I deserve an apology"

I thought it was a clever boomerang back to film.

If this is wrong, I too would apologise that the frick an frack around here devolved into nasty sexual attacks. I don't blame bigtodd for getting uppity when it became a group project to gang up on him(despite the fact that his asserted position on a variety of things has sounded crackpot to me), i've been in that position and seen my own reaction, but giving up the towel and resorting to really nasty sex attacks with no content is pretty desperate. and not playing nice in the sandbox.

Posted by: idleprimate at November 19, 2010 10:25 PM

Dude you are one funny guy. Loved it

Posted by: Richard at November 19, 2010 10:47 PM

Nice diatribe idleprimate, but unfortunately whatever country you’re from will suffer the same fate as America. There is no such thing as a country being autonomous, we are all intertwined. You drunk dead-enders are all the same, every Friday or Saturday night you all come to Pajiba to exorcise your demons which entails preaching about Pajiba and or America's downfall because apparently everywhere else on the web you’re just simply ignored. But it’s ok, we’re a big tent and we welcome you with open arms.

Posted by: Pookie at November 19, 2010 11:02 PM

i never mistake my country for being autonomous, indeed, the internal politics of my country have been turning on the whims of yours for years. We are nearly a banana republic with just slightly better trade deals, as long as we keep looking good and support america. so canada is sort of wealthy and "powerful" and loosely influential in non binding places. in the last five or so years, i doubt we even live up to good PR.

I constantly fight my government for throwing in with america when we could join other more benign sustainable plans with other countries.

I live in a big nearly empty nation, rich with resources and we will end up on any tide that the big guys wash in on.

that won't stop me from trying to influence our outcome, despite our descent being tied to yours.

the coming decades will be terrible under the best of circumstances, and the think tanks in your nation are aware of this. only they remain married to the previous investment of hegemony, and refuse any cooperative effort to face what is coming.

i try to be fair to the "regular people" of the US, as they have no influence on big policy, but it is hard, as their tax dollars fuel it, and they reap the big box cheap manna of it every day.

we are two years into the very first glimmerings of the fall, and it has been catastrophic to americans more than canadians, and probably more than to grecians or irish, or italians.

and yet we see nothing of a real plan to adapt and succeed in the new world of economic contraction, we see imaginary money printed to bale out the imaginary banks and we see the real people around the world struggling.

I don't care what party you favour, or what party my fellow citizens favour in my country, we are entering into a new era that will not play out under the rules and regimes we have been living with--with or without any revolution.

the sad thing is the delusional economy keeps people just sleepy enough to ignore any real task they might undertake to adapt, and keeps them mindlessly blogging on impotent items like the tea party and democratics in general.

some day we will have complex, participatory politics on a regional level, and everyone involved will be part of a localized system. it won't be a revolution, simply an adaption to things the way they are. but it will come after the last clinging hopes of retaining global wealth and entitlement. and hopefully it will come without a last ditch effort to retain global power with force, in which case we might have to cope with a future that looks more like our adventure/sci-fi films.

Posted by: idleprimate at November 19, 2010 11:45 PM

No idleprimate you’re not serious about what you speak of, you can’t be taken seriously when you choose to make your views known in a column that has a header picture of a young conservative staring longingly at Palin’s coochie.

Posted by: Pookie at November 19, 2010 11:53 PM

Me, I'm just waiting for their inevitable sex tape: "Nailin' Palin".
(too far?)

Posted by: Odnon. at November 20, 2010 12:29 AM

idleprimate, read Daniel Quinn's novel "Ishmael." It changed my life. Some of your thoughts echo his ideas and I think you would be enriched by reading it.

He argues that the division of east vs west, or 3rd world vs 1st world are fictional divisions, because all of our cultures are based upon totalitarian agriculture. For all the superficial divisions you're speaking of (all the things which will destroy America), the one thing every "civilized" culture has in common is the way we feed our population. This common thread unites our seemingly dis-separate cultures, and that which brings down one corner of the world will bring down all corners.

I'm not doing it justice by a long shot. It's so much broader than I could ever describe. Pick it up, you'll enjoy it.

Posted by: superasente at November 20, 2010 12:41 AM

superasente, i always love your contributions.

i haven't read Quinn's book yet, but did buy it and it sits on nightstand to read, after all my infernal school reading.

unfortunately history demonstrates that most agricultural societies became really unequal.

my contention is that anthropology keeps insisting that those cultures are the only ones that can be examined as civilizations. and therefore there is only one inevitable progress, along the lines we have seen, leading right up to our extinction moment.

i'm not even an expert and I have found records of many civilizations based on equality that were both settled and agrarian.

so i reject every economic argument today that insists on some weird competition and winners-and-losers scenario.

Posted by: idleprimate at November 20, 2010 12:54 AM

agriculture is not a determiner of fairness, but unlike scholarly orthodoxy, neither is it a discounter.

and i do, like some retarded balloon loving fool, endorse every energy being put into new agrarian ways of being. that's where my vote is, and my sweat.

Posted by: idleprimate at November 20, 2010 12:58 AM

For freedom! For democracy! For the love of the English language!

Posted by: Tammy at November 19, 2010 1:20 PM
---
For duty and humanity!

And also: Pookie's poem for EE.

Come on, he's way past due.

*Ducks back behind wall of voodoo protective barrier*

Posted by: , at November 20, 2010 1:21 AM

Also, why are so damn many of you here raising hell on a Friday night instead of being at the fucking movies?

Just askin'.

Posted by: , at November 20, 2010 1:24 AM

I have found records of many civilizations based on equality that were both settled and agrarian.

Oh, no doubt. There is tremendous evidence to support that humans have been cultivating agriculture for hundreds and thousands of years. Never to the degree that we use it now, but it's been used to supplement the hunter/gatherer lifestyle for -- well, since for as long as we've hunted and gathered. The difference is that we use agriculture and animal husbandry now exclusively. Hence the "totalitarian" in "totalitarian agriculture." Once we started developing ways to keep a surplus of food, it became necessary to develop a division of labor (military to guard the food stores, bookkeepers to keep track of the food, basket-weavers to develop new ways of carrying food stores, etc), and that is where inequality begins. Those who are in charge of the food are in control of everything. It is the basis for a "civilized" economy; that people must work in order to gain that which can be exchanged for food. Money, goods, whatever. Locking up the food is the most tragic achievement in human history.

...anthropology keeps insisting that those cultures are the only ones that can be examined as civilizations.

Again, I agree entirely. When studying "history" we often start where our cultures history began; in the Fertile Crescent. People forget that Homo Sapiens -- people with your exact same body, brain and potential -- were around for 190,000 years before we began farming for food exclusively a paltry 10,000 years ago. And our immediate evolutionary predecessor, for millions of years before that. Their cultures got along just fine. In our hubris, we have decided that their "primitive" ways aren't worth knowing about -- aren't "civilized." But in reality, those types of cultures were much more sustainable than the one we currently cultivate.

Posted by: superasente at November 20, 2010 1:24 AM

ummm. i can't argue against superasente. i have seen many cultures other than our own that were competitive.

like listening. thanks

Posted by: idleprimate at November 20, 2010 1:32 AM

Did I misunderstand what you were saying? I wasn't trying to argue with you, I swear.

Posted by: superasente at November 20, 2010 1:34 AM

Hmmm, one thing I don't understand:

I can see why there was some question about the intent of a few new authorial voices on the site - where is this going/why is this here...for example - the trainer/Coach article by Mr. Murray - great writing, but maybe a question mark as to venue if you didn't know him as a dyed in the wool 'Jibulation Jones.

I'm saying this just to be fair to the people who question evolution (heh), although I think Pajiba's the right place for good writing and open for a few sideways evolutions as long as the review centre holds.

But, this being a review of a tv show...c'est que c'est la itchy douche? It fits the profile. Ease down, Ripley. You're just grinding gears now.

Posted by: replica at November 20, 2010 2:14 AM

1) Thank you, Dustin.
2) Thank you, TK.
3) Have I been reading Pajiba for WAY TOO MANY years when I've decided I'm in love with Pookie and BSlim?
4) BigTodd (you don't deserve the bold). . . . . enjoy exile. A lot. Please.

Posted by: ncnn at November 20, 2010 2:25 AM

superasente, you brought up suitability, which is always used to justify pressuring another culture

i am only keeping quiet because one--it's late and i am going tro bed, and 2- it's time to be quiet regardless of what i have chosen.

Posted by: idleprimate at November 20, 2010 2:28 AM

idleprimate, you think America is going down the drain????

/looks around
//notices the casts of Jersey Shore, Glee, American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, The Hills, Gossip Girl, SNL, every show on TLC, all the anchors at Fox News and MSNBC, every college football AD....

Well, I guess we can look forward to being England to whoever's next as the new America. And England can be the new Spain. And Spain can be the new Italy. And Italy will be the new Mexico.

Posted by: Fredo at November 20, 2010 2:36 AM

I just hope we can make snarky yet sensible period pieces like the Brits. Who is up for some colonial-era period piece starring Snooki and The Situation?

Posted by: Fredo at November 20, 2010 2:37 AM

hm. didn't expect to see the long tail on that one. kinda drunk though. but I came back here to read superasente's and michael murray's two bits of satire. awww, men, well done.

It's frustrating to see that our world leaders aren't going to change what's fundamentally wrong with privilege, entitlement, or fuckwads until they themselves are forced to change. I think that's hardly a surprise, certainly not in a Democracy. But with natural resources being swallowed up, the shift in the prices of these are what most threatens the theoretically precarious free market. 'Theoretically' because although it will certainly fail under current usage and growth estimates, the supply side will change, and we'll find out tap water causes autism or some such craze, and we'll eventually force ourselves and Chinese selves to quit being gluttons. In short, future's always changing, and market unpredictable. to wit, your scenario.

you may also think that the national debts and trade deficits are a lot to worry about. America knows this. That's why we have missiles. Not as a defense strategy. As a neo-imperialist economic envoy. Also why S Korea playing cowboy is a tad more unnnerving than it appears. Several items in the past week like that. Can't recall all off the top of my head. No one would commit suicide by launching a warhead at the US. So no matter what happens to the economy, we'll always have that. BMD is STILL getting funding. Because what's behind it is space dominance through cyberwar and high altitude bombs.

cyber.

And even though China is like the Dragon in the cage with America's 10 ton gorilla, Americans are the bloody people on the other side of the bars. We'll fashion pitchforks out of recyclable materials and kitchen utensils if necessary. And the Chinese are becoming autonomous at a rate previously thought impossible. But they've got way more extraneous people than we do, so it'll be interesting to see what gets done there.

though what I wanted to say was that what you're describing sounds awful, but before we have anarchistic enclaves of circle jerking and bean flicking, there would more likely be a Debt forgiveness Day (not for average citizens, are you mad?) between nations somewhere occuring between an IMF cancellation and that Real reboot in Brazil in the 90s. The sad point, again, is that world leaders are going to wait until they are forced to rather than, i dunno, do what's right. And that the company we keep is so pernicious in their waste.

I can understand what you might be feeling as an angry college student. Burned a dumpster yet? Well I did worse than that, but I won't incriminate by being specific.

However, like I say to bloggers who try to beat down the doors with their own six shooters a glistnin', get out there for the extent of the campaign for an idea if not a candidate, and then write your blog. I have respect for the learned man, but don't defer to one without experience. Paul Wolfowitz was a phD. Jizz on a piece of toast for all the good it did.

Primarily interested in the global perspective, I too find our middling climate of preening, peevish people the kind you laugh at to keep from crying. But I do "political stuff." And filling the other half of the glass with living, breathing, farting, bleeding reality can only strengthen your resolve, if it improves your perspective. But you're totally on the right track, man, and I don't want to discourage you either.

We're in a weird interim period. The empire is dismantling, but Afghanistan will draw down only to create a South Asia command. Naval superiority will come to fore. Health Care will go to single payer, and it'll be a good thing. We'll be a frugal superpower, but still the World's police, judge, jury, and executioner. We've hardly normalized political discourse. And in the void of a massive grassroots movement that genuinely encourages all of us to want better versions of us, we get the 2010 haranguing of voters. (We had our legacy and thought our work was done. That's all 2008 signifies. Still, it was beautiful to know it's possible.) And although American politics is still being strategized as a "Race to the Bottom," I'm in a growing minority that thinks it's not going to work the same way it did in 2012. Of course, it's not like the public hasn't proved assholes of better men than me. Or that I'm making the big decisions here. It's play ball or work the factories. And current US farming conglomerates choose to make corn. But they could grain and pot the plant out of the food supply, because we were really worried about food shortages in the 50s and 60s.

what I wanted to direct to you, idleprimate, is no matter how jaded you become, it's up the people. And as much as I bitch about them, I still trust that capitalist ideology and selfish interests can be used for really progressive, positive lifestyles. Godard says "The ticket holder is an idiot. The audience [are] genius." And even if it's difficult, never lose your optimism for the voters. If you've done your damnedest and they just don't care, it's you they don't like, not politics. Accept the shifting sands and get on with it.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at November 20, 2010 5:13 AM

Thank you Dustin. For the most part, I actually really enjoy the hijacked threads of a political nature. There is next to nothing about this site that I don't enjoy. I read every article and nearly every comment. I like to think of myself as being open to opposing views and being willing to listen, but BigTodd nearly drove me away from the comment section entirely (I would never stop reading the articles). I hate to see someone get banished, but I have to say thank you for saving Pajiba for me. I was really having a hard time maintaining my readership.

Posted by: jesuschrysler at November 20, 2010 7:30 AM

@Idleprimate

You are right in everything you say, except one. Pajiba should not be limited to just movie reviews. The tagline is "Scathing Reviews. Bitchy People." This is the "Bitchy People" part, and Pajiba should not be limited to any one arena. We bitch at all pop culture, and politics is part of pop culture now. It's just another show that's running and we comment. It makes us feel like we are participating, and not just idle passengers on the sinking ship. We are just passengers, and it's all going down, but that's why the bitching is so much fun. The reason BigTodd exists and comments here, and the reason people can't help but respond, is because this "my team" "your team" shit is being pushed on people 24 hours a day as part of the 'politics as pop culture' show we're all watching. You could even argue the rhetoric is amped up more now, BECAUSE they don't want you to look out your window and see the iceberg or the rising water line. And since we have no power, and we're sinking anyway, why not fight with the BigTodd's of the world? They say stupid and inflammatory things like they've been trained to, for the same reason we're repulsed by them. We can all see the end coming. Now, what do we do while we're waiting?

Posted by: John G. at November 20, 2010 7:47 AM

I would have more faith in self interest except that it is hard to pursue a good self interest when things are confusing and there is much that is unseen. we are evolved to grapple with immediate effects, not long term strategies. I see people act against their own self interest every day. In fact most American political discourse is about the furious right to rabidly act against self interest.

and the capitalist ideology has one sole monolithic belief that is non-negotiable and which all other capitalist motions are based upon and that is growth. it's an economic mantra that unravels in a full world of dwindling resources, but by it's own definitions cannot change course.

Posted by: idleprimate at November 20, 2010 8:52 AM

Very interesting idleprimate, whomever controls agriculture controls their own destiny. Putting aside their politics for a moment, I think China in the long run will be somewhat of a model for all countries, they already control the technological front and their agriculture output is unsurpassed. Capitalism in of itself is not a bad thing, but when capitalism becomes the sole focus of a nation at the expense of its citizenry then that nation will surely suffer.

Posted by: Pookie at November 20, 2010 9:44 AM

The last half of this thread is the internet equivalent of the bar fight in Good Will Hunting.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at November 20, 2010 10:06 AM

How d'you like dem apples?!

Posted by: RobP at November 20, 2010 10:24 AM

Sorry, it's just too early for real brain functions.

I give us 50 more years; 100, tops.

Posted by: RobP at November 20, 2010 10:25 AM

...and the capitalist ideology has one sole monolithic belief that is non-negotiable and which all other capitalist motions are based upon and that is growth. it's an economic mantra that unravels in a full world of dwindling resources, but by it's own definitions cannot change course.

I agree to an extent. Capitalism is obviously predicated upon growth; I don't think that can be reasonably argued. However, that growth is financial growth (which is essentially an abstract idea), and isn't necessarily dependent upon raping our people/environment. It is within the realm of control for big business to do their business responsibly; though as you said, "we are evolved to grapple with immediate effects, not long term strategies" (I probably wouldn't use the word "evolve" there, but I appreciate your sentiment).

I suppose it's all well and good to bark about creating long term goals, but given the attention span of most people (especially after the cultural changes of the last 50 years -- namely in the entertainment industry which is such a large part of our lives today) and the constantly shifting control of power in politics, perhaps it wouldn't be such a bad idea to create short-term rewards that fuel long term goals. Like sweeping tax breaks for car companies that produce greener cars. Sweeping tax breaks for grocery stores chains that buy local foods. Just a thought.

What I would like to bring up however, in regards to unchecked growth and dwindling resources, is population growth. That undoubtedly will spiral out of control unless we change the way we feed our population. Again, totalitarian agriculture is not sustainable in the long term. Right now there are close to seven billion people on the planet. Twenty-five years ago there were half as many. Twenty-five years before that there were half as many again. If we continue the trend of doubling the world's population every thirty years or so, there are going to be major problems by the end of this century.

Posted by: superasente at November 20, 2010 10:28 AM

Yawn. This is the problem with beret wearing carrot sucking sociopolitical coffee house refugees. There is no climax.

Posted by: Nobbie at November 20, 2010 10:45 AM

(Gets Naked and rolls around in all the intelligent political discourse.)

AaaaAAAuuuGgghhhh YES!!!!!!!!!

That's what I'm talking about...yeah Right there.


No seriously though, I'm kind of with Idle Primate on this one. I mean the business model has to change. Capitalism has become the purpose and not the path, and there's a possibility that we'll choke on it in the long run. Not that things are looking better for everyone else though. Sustainability is a pipe dream as long as we have an ever increasing population, with an ever decreasing education. I wouldn't be surprised to see people working towards individual sustainability. America doesn't really have that much to worry about globally. Like Jack said if all else fails, the bombs are there. Which means the only people who suffer will be the populace. Sadly, the position of the populace doesn't really matter here. The powers that be will continue to run their course for a very very long time.
That's why I say individual sustainability. When the average Citizen can work a job, Grow a garden big enough to feed at least a portion of his/her families need,and generate enough wind/solar power to support his/her family without the help of the electric behemoths, then we begin to force the global market to adjust. I mean whoever controls their own agriculture does control their own destiny. That works on both Micro and macro levels.

Posted by: Blank at November 20, 2010 11:15 AM

The climax is in the process Nobbie, this isn’t some gum ball machine in which you put your money in and candy comes out. Maybe you should go over to the South Park website where you’ll be rewarded instantly. When I was much younger and single, I would go out and cruise for the ladies. My joy came not from catching one of those bitches, but rather chasing those bitches.

Posted by: Pookie at November 20, 2010 11:25 AM

Posted by: Jackseppelin at November 20, 2010 5:13 AM
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Wooo, Dennis, there's some lovely filth down 'ere.

Posted by: , at November 20, 2010 11:36 AM

“That's why I say individual sustainability. When the average Citizen can work a job, Grow a garden big enough to feed at least a portion of his/her families need, and generate enough wind/solar power to support his/her family without the help of the electric behemoths, then we begin to force the global market to adjust. I mean whoever controls their own agriculture does control their own destiny. That works on both Micro and macro levels.”

Posted by: Blank at November 20, 2010 11:15 AM

Though sustainability is indeed the holy grail, I don’t think the average citizen has the resources to achieve what you suggest, Blank. Now I do believe that each nation as a whole can achieve those aims. But unfortunately most nations have been co-opted by the grid. Make no mistake, those behemoths that you speak of are capitalist through and through, but if we can somehow fundamentally change their mission statement into one that is more forward thinking then maybe we can get to a place that would be more beneficial for mankind.

Posted by: Pookie at November 20, 2010 11:50 AM

Superasente just got that from Vickahs.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at November 20, 2010 11:51 AM

I mean whoever controls their own agriculture does control their own destiny.
Posted by: Blank at November 20, 2010 11:15 AM

You haven't been to Zimbabwe recently have you?
The Chinese,Saudi's and numourus companies backed by their own governments (Korea,UK,USA to name a few) are in a huge land grab thoughout Africa and South America. Displacing locals and food production causing the inevitable conflict becuase they all have a lot to worry about when it comes to food security. If you think that growing your own food and relying on solar and wind power and that you don't need the help of electrical companies etc. then may I recommend that you relocate to Angola or the DRC and tell them that they are better off that way and to stop whining.

Posted by: Nobbie at November 20, 2010 12:01 PM

Peter Victor is a major proponent of 'no-growth' economics. And yes, he's talking under the current models, that seem to think that you can wring water from a wet rag unto eternity. He doesn't dismiss capitalism, innovation, or wealth inequalities in case knee-jerkers are wildin'. He is a believer in the Mill and Keynes prediction that a stationary economy could persist at approximately the point aggregate quality of life could not or needn't be raised any further. He believes divisions between the states illusory, though I did have some problems with definitions for aggregate quality of life.

He asserts that whether or not we are at the point on a global scale, the scarcity of resources is the result of unlimited growth AND consumption. He points out that an economy with scarce resources would adjust by using less resources and less materials in the products it manufactures is a false 'decoupling' notion that links economic prosperity directly to physical goods. Further, he claims we've never had an example of what we're going to need to do (because scale is everything) since the decoupling in 80s and 90s US economic trends never decreased our usage, we simply outsourced it to Latin America and Asia.

As to the military/lethargy problems, I'm not too sure. But I've ordered The Moral Equivalent of War?: A Study of Non-Military Service in Nine Nations because some trade journal focused primarily on how we re-train the public without changing their baser instincts.

Remember, trying explaining any complex issue to yourself. Now think of the people who wouldn't understand it with the information you need to understand it. Now think of the brainiacs that think you're spooging through the mud, banging your cocoanuts. (Nothing like a Python reference to make me want to jump back in. Nice one, comma.) There is the theory and the means by which must be delivered: Self-interest.

I get where you're coming from, idleprimate, but this isn't magic. You don't get to fiat terms acceptable to you. Fuck the noise, reframe the issue.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at November 20, 2010 12:27 PM

@ superasente, If we manage to get through this century without cataclysmic mad max type action, global popualtion is actually set to peak and decline. Total fertily rate has been falling to below replacement rate in country after country. There is a certain amount of population momentum that will keep the population growing for at least the next 40-50 years, but then, if the current trends continue, population will decline.

I have my doubts that we can comfortably feed ourselves for that much time and that many people, especially if we have shortages of fossil based farming inputs and/or we have agricultural reductions due to drought, desertification or other climate impacts. but it would be nice to think that if we can just get through the next couple of generations a natural change in population will make all kinds of solutions more feasible. sustainable farming practices work for feeding the future, but unfortunately don't produce the kind of constant intensive yields required to feed the current human population bloom. if the bloom passes, all kinds of doors open up.

@John G, i agree that pajiba is broader than just movies and tv, and i do like that most of the time. i was just in a big snit last night. and in my cups. sigh--i keep trying not to combine potables with my keyboard.

@nobbie, I remember reading about the blitz land grab going on in Africa and it made my blood cold with fear that we had full on hit the era where things start to get really ugly on a scale we haven't seen before. the end of people pretending all ships rise on a rising tide and the beginning of a frank and honest end game scrabble for resources.

@seppelin, that book, the moral equivalent, does sound interesting, i'll try and get my hands on a copy. in a class, i read about policy studies being done in Italy and France about creating a comprehensive public service that would be mandatory like a military,, but for the purposes of making society more functional and resilient. the notion of education and propaganda campaigns to shift peoples values towards service and community was also discussed.

Posted by: idleprimate at November 20, 2010 3:42 PM

The last half of this thread is the internet equivalent of the bar fight in Good Will Hunting.
Posted by: Mrs. Julien at November 20, 2010 10:06 AM

I was browsing this thread, and I had this EXACT thought right before I read it.

This thread went from really interesting to really boring really quickly.

Posted by: ChristianH at November 20, 2010 7:27 PM

This thread went from really interesting to really boring really quickly.

Which will probably earn us the label of "stoopid," for not being interested in deep sociopolitical discussion, and having the gall to voice it.

Dammit I picked the wrong month to quit drinking...

Posted by: Rykker at November 20, 2010 8:22 PM

@ ChristianH

Audiosuede is awful, fyi.

Painful.

Both of you.

Posted by: Hieromanth at November 20, 2010 10:13 PM

Uh. This thread is...multi-faceted?

Anyway, well done, Mr. Murray. I giggled with delight at your well-written discourse on the Palins. Hee hee!

I'm also DELIGHTED that BigTurd has finally been flushed from the site.

Posted by: Pinky McLadybits at November 21, 2010 2:21 PM

Wow, shit, I was just making a joke. I'm glad you have all found a venue for sociopolitical discussion that's both topical and civil. I was simply agreeing that it significantly resembled the argument in Good Will Hunting, and then making a crack because I could, and because I find economics to be exceedingly dull.

But I figured after BigTodd got kicked off, personal attacks wouldn't be coming back into play on this thread. I guess I was wrong.

Posted by: ChristianH at November 21, 2010 2:29 PM

Well you've got to learn to think before you speak then. Usually when you tell people they are being 'boring' when they are enjoying and contributing to an engrossing conversation they will take it as a personal criticism.

I mean, really, did you think that people would be so interested in the fact that you think this is boring that they would be delighted with your contribution?

Personally, as is obvious, I really enjoyed their little exchange. Well written, lacking in intemperate aggression at each other, grammar and spell checked. It irritated me to see you dismiss it all as 'boring' without contributing anything interesting yourself. I can imagine that it would irritate any of them even more.

Posted by: Ender at November 22, 2010 6:59 AM

There's irritation, and then there's attacking someone personally outside of the relevant discussion. Sure, I overstepped the line, and shouldn't have said what I said. But I didn't look up someone's family members, come back into this thread, and call them ugly. There's a big difference; what I said was stupid. What he said was baseless and over the line.

Posted by: ChristianH at November 22, 2010 11:15 AM

My two comment over the weekend were made drunk and hungover. I see where my red pen went come Monday morning. Please kindly remove it from your bunghole. We throw them away when they're despoiled. Besides, you wouldn't want an infection?

eeeehh, I'm the petulant victim here, guys...


Last-word-havin m*****fuckah.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at November 22, 2010 12:08 PM

Sorry, that was immature of me. Carry on. Be who you wanna.

But it wasn't Jesus that changed my heart, it was news of the glorious same-day Doctor Who Christmas special. Ya-yah!

Posted by: Jackseppelin at November 22, 2010 12:49 PM

What? Is that what Hieromanth did? Because, if so, fuck him/her, they can eat a bag of dicks.

If not, I take that all back, and I am confused by your comment ChristianH

Posted by: Ender at November 24, 2010 9:42 AM