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“Rome” and “Battlestar Galactica” / The TV Whore
Mar. 26, 2007

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Well, between the series finale of “Rome” and the season finale of “Battlestar Galactica,” last night was one hell of a two-hour punch. And let’s make this real clear — the DVD Folk (or the “just ain’t caught up to my TiVo yet” folk) need to stop reading this right now. Especially the “BSG” fans, as there will be spoilers aplenty (though I suspect you’ll inadvertently run into the “BSG” spoilers before the August DVD release anyway). Point being, consider yourself warned.

Before we get into the many things “Galactica” that need discussion, let’s pause for a moment to honor “Rome.” Last night’s finale was magnificent, and my only true regret is that we don’t have more. And I don’t even need more story, per se (although it would be nice to follow Octavian a little further down the line, seeing him get the Augustus title and eventually become the first Roman Emperor, and putting a little positive spin on him, as he ends the series being portrayed as quite the little bastard). But I’d love to have this second season stretched out a bit, throwing another couple of episodes into the mix. Whereas I felt that much of the first season (particularly the earlier half) was paced a little too slowly, this second season suffered from the exact opposite problem — the pace was so fast and furious that we missed out on having a lot of things really fleshed out as much as I would’ve liked (for those who lost track, this second season covered a whopping 14 year span over its 13 episodes, from Caesar’s assassination in 44 B.C. to Octavian’s post-Antony Triumph in 30 B.C.). I would’ve loved to see the growth of Antony and Cleopatra’s relationship a little bit more, particularly in light of Antony still having Atia pining for him back in Rome. I also felt like Octavia got a little short changed. Her character certainly grew and changed — how about that knowing smirk of enjoyment when Atia figuratively bitch-slapped Octavian’s wife, something which first-season Octavia would’ve been appalled by. And I absolutely get why she changed in the ways she did, but it still would’ve been nice to see it all a little more.

One character who did get plenty of screen time for her changes was Atia. How can you not love this show for taking Atia, a mostly despicable woman for much of the series, and transforming her into a quasi-tragic figure? While there was that one bitch-slapping glimmer of our old Atia, she’s basically a (heart) broken woman now, and our last shot of her — miserable and teary-eyed — was kind of crushing, even though she was really getting her just deserts for years of being a grade-A bitch (and Servillia is surely laughing from the afterlife).

“Rome” also did the same thing, to a lesser extent, with Marc Antony, who also wound up entirely broken just before taking his life — of course, he was broken and corrupt and drunk/doped out of his head largely by his own accord. But I still couldn’t help feeling a little for him, particularly when he broke down after getting Cleo’s “suicide note.” And while I knew that his suicide and Cleo’s subsequent suicide were both coming, that foresight didn’t damper the impact of those great scenes. Particularly because of the great way the show dramatized the suicides, giving explanation and justification to why Antony killed himself first with Cleo followed suit shortly thereafter. It was all very satisfying. And for what it’s worth — as much as Polly Walker (Atia) and Ray Stevenson (Titus Pullo) were the standouts of this show, over the whole season, I think James Purefoy may have delivered the strongest, Emmy-worthy performance with his Marc Antony.

Of course, as great as the political and historical elements of the show are, “Rome” has always really been about Pullo and Vorenus’ story, and it was a great honor to them that there was one last brothers-in-arms battle. While the ultimate result of that battle was a bit of a bummer, I had been feeling like Vorenus’ death was inevitable throughout the course of this whole season. But again, that inevitability didn’t take anything away from his final scene and, yes, when his daughter finally relented and came out from hiding to see him (and more importantly, to let him see her), the unspoken emotion of it all…well, there might have been just a touch of dust stuck in my eye.

Meanwhile, Octavian’s great glory is taking place while Lucius is getting his death on, and the epic swell and pomp of his Triumph was really a fitting triumph for the show as a whole. But as this is really Titus and Lucius’ show, it was quite fitting to end, not with the Triumph, but with those two quiet Titus scenes, one with Octavian, the other with his son (and I was pleased that they not only came back around to the plot-point of Caesarion being Titus’ son, but that they used Titus’ lie about the boy being dead to comport, more or less, with the actual history, which had Caesarion being murdered). This morning, I read a complaint somewhere about how this grand and epic show should not have ended with a joke (Titus’ line, taken from the show’s title, to Caesarion: “Look, about your father…”). But I think it was absolutely fitting. When you get past the warring and the politics, life continues ahead on the Roman streets, and Pullo continues to get by, joking all the while and trying his best to do right. I couldn’t think of a better way for this show to end.

Well, unless they started playing a Dylan song over a shot of Lucius Vorenus grandly returning from the dead.

So, “Battlestar Galactica” - how you doin?

When I watched last night’s finale, I pretty much loved everything about it. Now, having had some time to think on it all, I still dug the episode, but the pessimist in me has come to light. So there will be some bitching throughout this discussion.

But before I start bitching and complementing, a side comment — last week, I noticed that there were no opening credits, and I was a bit confused by that (plus, I found myself quite missing the opening theme). And I was particularly surprised when it happened again this week. But in retrospect it was (pun intended) a dead giveaway. As a contractual series regular, I’m sure the show is obligated to credit Katee Sackhoff in the opening credits for any episode she’s in. And last week’s episode was a “Part 1,” which means last week and this week are all considered one episode as far as the Guilds are all concerned. So they would’ve had to include her in last week’s credits, even though she didn’t pop up until the end of this week, if they had had credits. So, as I say, I should’ve put two and two together, but I’m a fool.

As for the episode itself, let’s take a look at Baltar’s trial. It was really hard (frustratingly so) to watch it without putting my lawyer’s cap on, so I can’t help but complain about Lee giving that long spiel while on the stand. I’m OK with the original reason he was put on the stand, as a material witness to judicial bias which supported a motion for a mistrial. But the rest of it was rather preposterous. Particularly because that same speech could’ve been done as a closing argument, although I recognize two caveats with that: 1) it may have been the kind of speech which Lee could only make involuntarily, after being pushed to the brink by Romo Lampkin; and 2) there may not actually be closing arguments in “BSG” criminal procedure, since they went right from the defense resting to the judges going into deliberations. In any event, lawyerly criticisms aside, I thought the trial had a relatively satisfying outcome. Lee’s speech went a long way towards redeeming him from the depressing, mopey bitch he’s been for much of the season. More importantly, however, it was an entirely valid criticism of the whole process and gave enough justification for buying into the fact that Baltar could wind up a “not guilty.” Which was a result I was sure was coming — Baltar is simply too good a character to keep locked away or, Gods forbid, to airlock. So letting him go free was the necessary direction of events, particularly as we’ll now get to see an interesting duality to his “new life,” being disdained by the many, while being seen as a messiah by the few.

But fuck Baltar. That’s not what folks are really talking about today, is it? I suspect people are instead talking about Robert Allen Zimmerman, also known as Bob Dylan. First, let’s get this point out of the way: the show’s composer, Bear McCready, posted a bit about the song over on his blog, and he explained that the “BSG” version of “All Along the Watchtower” shouldn’t imply that the ship was picking up Earth radio waves or that Bobby Dylan even exists in this universe:

I happened to catch Ron Moore in the hallway at Universal and, in a brief conversation, got everything I needed to know. I learned that the idea was not that Bob Dylan necessarily exists in the characters’ universe, but that an artist on one of the colonies may have recorded a song with the exact same melody and lyrics. Perhaps this unknown performer and Dylan pulled inspiration from a common, ethereal source. Therefore, I was told to make no musical references to any “Earthly” versions, Hendrix, Dylan or any others. The arrangement needed to sound like a pop song that belonged in the Galactica universe, not our own.

As for the song itself, and the related scenes, well what can you say? When Tyrol busted out the first line of the lyrics (“there must be some kind of way out of here”), it didn’t register with me at all. But when Tigh came out with “said the joker to the thief,” well, I shot up from my prone-on-the-couch position. It was a touch distracting to have this element of “our world” creep into the “BSG” universe but, ultimately, who cares? From those moments through the four of them deciding to go back to their “stations,” that may have been one of the coolest scenes the show has ever done. Just strong stuff. And I dug the hell out of the composition and music of the song itself, and thought it played real well over those scenes. However, when the singing came in over the space scenes, well, McCready really should’ve used someone other than his brother to sing, because that just didn’t work for me at all.

But that’s neither here nor there. The song was a gimmick. The real meat here is Tigh, Anders, Tyrol and Tory. All Cylons, some Cylons, none Cylons? I’m sure the internet discussions are all over the place on this one:

ToasterLover834: Dude, they totally must all be cylons.
HotAdamaMama: Sha - whatever! They just think they cylons.
ToasterLover834: U R so gay!
HotAdamaMama: Frak you!

I had a similar dispute with myself about this (although the derogatory slurs were much worse than “U R so gay”) until I watched the ending scenes again this morning. When Tyrol comes out with it, saying “we’re Cylons - and we have been from the start,” I think that’s Ron Moore talking right to the viewers, rolling up his sleeves to show us that he’s not hiding something. So unless/until we learn otherwise next year (January ‘08? Eegads), I’m operating under the assumption that we just met the four of the Final Five, with one to go (and that also makes sense in light of the fact that next season may very well be the last — you’ve gotta get the Final Five into the mix at some point, without rushing it all at the very end).

But here, with these Final Four, is where I start to have some problems. Yes, those scenes and the reveal and realization of the Final Four was fucking tits. But the other seven Cylon models (except for the now on-ice Xenas) don’t know a thing about the Final Five. And until right now the Final Four, themselves, didn’t know anything about the Final Five. So there’s an obvious question of who, exactly “flipped the switch?” Unless it’s the last Cylon, there has to be someone or something else at play here. And that makes me highly dubious of the continuing claims that the Cylons “have a plan” (something which I’m already suspicious of, quite frankly, in light of the fact that there have been a lot of lucky coincidences and changes to their “plan”). There’s just this sneaking fear in my gut that we’re on the edge of a less-cluster-fucked version of the “Lost” predicament. It’s only a doubt right now, not a major concern as it is with “Lost,” and I’m still willing to give Ron Moore and company the benefit of that doubt, but it does give me pause.

Another problem with this Final Four is Tigh’s speech about “that’s the man I want to be.” The speech, itself, was fantastic. Really an excellent performance by Michael Hogan. But it was also entirely out of character. When he first realized what was going on, what did he do? He had them lock up the frakking doors. Because Tigh knows as well as anyone that once that switch is flipped, “sleeper” Cylons can’t help themselves from doing something they might not “want” to do, i.e., Sharon’s Season One assassination attempt. So I find it a bit hard to believe that the man who was willing to sacrifice his wife and other members of the cause for the greater good is now suddenly willing to allow himself and Tory to sidle up to Adama and the President, rather than insisting that they airlock themselves. Unless the “Cylon” in him pushed him to go that way, which I guess is a possibility. But there was just something unsatisfying about it, despite the coolness of seeing them return to their roles with this new self-awareness.

And while we’re talking about Tigh, one more comment/concern. Let’s put aside the fact that it’s highly improbable that all four of these guys survived the initial attacks and their time on New Caprica and everything else, and let’s also put aside the improbability that these secret Cylons were the ones leading the New Caprica rebellion (although, perhaps that’s not so improbable and goes to something about the seven-versus-the-Final-Five). It’s even more improbable, to my mind, that Tigh could even be a Cylon to begin with. As I recall, he met Adama shortly after the first war, which was about 40 years ago. And our understanding of the Cylons doesn’t suggest that they had skinjobs back then, let alone that there had already been a falling out with the Final Five, all of which has to be true for Tigh to be a Cylon (unless we get into some sort of Body Snatchers or time travel scenario, and I can’t see either of those occurring). Sure, I assume this will all be explained next season, and I hope it will be done in a satisfying and credible way. But again, for now, it does make me worry a little. But neither this, nor the other bitches, moans or complaints is meant to take away from what was a very solid and entertaining episode.

Before I wrap up, I have a question for y’all. When Xena “met” the Final Five, who was she apologizing to? Of the Final Four we’ve not met, I’m pretty sure Tigh is the only one she ever interacted with. So she could be apologizing for the whole ocular-popus-outus thing, I suppose. Otherwise, she could’ve been apologizing to the still-unknown Fifth. What do you all think?

“Still-unknown fifth?” Yup. I stand by what I said before — I still don’t think Starbuck is a Cylon. I’m pleased as hell that she’s back, surely. And her having been to Earth and planning to lead folks there certainly plays into her “special destiny” in a much more satisfying way than a meaningless suicide. And Cylon or not, there are plenty of questions that need answering — how did she survive (I told you before that the shot of the ejection lever was a tell), how’d she get a new viper, how and why is she apparently tooling around with a Cylon fleet now, etc. But I don’t believe any of this will be tidied up with a “she’s a Cylon” answer, and I think it’s a mistake to jump to that conclusion.

And what about President Laura? Not only did her headaches conveniently match up with the fleet’s loss and regaining of power, but she was “projecting” into that opera house with Athena and Caprica, and that can’t simply because she drinking the wacky-weed for her cancer. But my guess is that this is tied to the fact that Hera’s blood is pumping through her veins, not that she’s a Cylon, if for no other reason than it would be far too convenient and improbable (and a bit infuriating) to have the President of the Colonies turn out to be a Cylon, wouldn’t it?

Oh, by the way - if Tyrol is, in fact, a Cylon, then his kid with Callie is another hybrid (barring her being the Fifth). So does this diminish Hera’s importance a little? I keep hearing Yoda’s voice in my head saying “there is another.”

OK, I’m rambling now. My ultimate point here is this — I enjoyed last night’s episode on its own, but I think it’s too early to judge in the grand scheme of things. It had the season finale punch that’s come to be expected from “BSG.” But there’s also a risk that this whole season could essentially be one of no consequence. We’ll have to see how things go next year, but look at it — Baltar is free, folks are relatively unscathed from the New Caprica ordeal, Lee and Pappy are (probably) OK again, etc. — it feels like the only major changes are the Final Four and Starbuck’s new destiny, all of which basically came over the last two episodes. There is nothing I hate more than when a show’s season amounts to a hill of beans (see the last season of “Lost”) so I really hope I’m wrong about all this, and I will continue to give them the benefit of the doubt. I’m just a bit bummed that, for the first real time, there even is some doubt.

And what about next season? Here’s the deal. Season Four is slated for a January 2008 premiere. Last week, SciFi announced that they were upping the episode order from 13 to 22, and there’s wide speculation that this means Season Four will be it for the show. Moore himself is on record as saying that he’s still deciding, at least on his end of things, whether Season Four will be the end. But we all know that SciFi may dictate it as the end, whether Moore likes it or not. However, Moore also says that, regardless of whether or not this will be the last season, the series has definitely moved into its third act (i.e., getting to Earth).

In the meantime, there will be a two-hour movie this fall. But it will not follow from last night’s episode. Instead, it will be a story set in the “past” on the Pegasus, back when Admiral Cain was still running the ship. Although, Moore says it will play into Season Four.

And there you have it. What say you all?

Update: Thanks to TV Squad for pointing out this interview with Moore, where he says, without question, that we have met four of the Final Five, and that Tyrol’s kid is, therefore, another hybrid:

It’s more that they arrived at a certain point in space and they were made aware of who they are. The music manifests a dawning awareness. These are four of the final five, which puts them in a separate category from everybody else. There are reasons for that I can’t really get into. We’ll be playing out those plot lines for quite a while.

So there you go with that.


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Seth Freilich is Pajiba’s television columnist. He’s not so sure anymore that “he’s probably not a Cylon.”


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Author's Note: One other thing. Tory's puking? I'll put money on the line that she's pregnant. Now is it Anders' kid (making it an "impossible" Cylon baby, if they both truly are of the Final Five)? Or is it just another hybrid (they're coming out of the woodwork now)? Who knows. But I just wanted that out there.

Posted by: TV Whore at March 26, 2007 2:48 PM

What's bitch-clapping? Sounds like something you'd need a cream to get rid of.

Whoops - changed that back to bitch-slapping, which is infinitely preferable to the bitch-clap (a cream ain't enough - you need to go the antibiotic route with that sumbitch).

Posted by: Cheryl at March 26, 2007 2:53 PM

Spot on review of Rome. Am sad the show has ended....

Posted by: Sarah at March 26, 2007 3:02 PM

I'll be the first to post about my love for "Rome." I am so, so bummed the show's over. I know that I'm supposed to love the more honorable characters in the show, but I'll be damned if I wasn't psyched every damn time either Atia or Marc Antony came on the screen. God, I loved those two, both together and apart. Antony was such a mess at the end with the kohl around his eyes and the delusions - how could one not love him? And so gorgeous, too.

I loved the ending! I didn't think it was a joke, it was just an earthier ending than the huge ceremony would've been.

Posted by: Samantha T at March 26, 2007 3:13 PM

Great review!!! I completely agree on BSG; I was kind of let down by last night's finale, and even this season as a whole; it didn't seem quite on par with the rest of the frakking excellent show to date.

Posted by: Miriam at March 26, 2007 3:31 PM

I thoroughly enjoyed BSG's finale, but I don't think it was as good as the past two have been. As you pointed out, this season has the chance of amounting to very little in the grand scheme of things, while the other two irrevocably changed the show (1 year later, Boomer shoots Adama...crazy stuff).

And I think that Starbuck is dead. My guess is that she is some kind of "angel," in the same way that Head-Six is.

I still have such a hard time believing that Scifi would even consider canceling BSG. It is the one show that has truly put them on the map, and for them to cancel it would be for them to sacrifice any chance of them ever being considered a truly good network.

One last thing: 9 months?! AHH.

Posted by: Gnasty at March 26, 2007 3:53 PM

Marc Anthony was the money character in Rome. Awesome, awesome to the max...

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 26, 2007 4:36 PM

When Xena, sees the final 5, she applogizes to Anders. There was an episode where she put a gun to his head after he blew up a cafe and got stuck in a parking Garage with Boomer, Six and Xena. At least that is the most likely person.

Posted by: TheRickoning at March 26, 2007 4:38 PM

My speculation: the final five split off from the sinister seven way back in the first cylon war. They may not have been the skinjobs we know and love today, but sentient beings of artificial/mystical origin. Supposedly, they evolved from what the humans first created, but methinks there was a little divine intervention spiking the drink. So the fivers did not want to conquer humanity, and somehow contrived to become as near human as possible. Perhaps they had a disagreement with the seven over what God's plan for their race and ours was. I base this on the actions of Tigh and the others in resuming their posts at the side of the humans in the coming battle. So different from Boomer's actions when her switch was flipped.

Posted by: greentara at March 26, 2007 4:47 PM

I'm not sure things are as unchanged on BSG as they appear to be (I haven't yet seen the Rome finale, although I knew what was coming, so I can't comment on it even though I loves me that show...although what was the point of the storyline with Timon and his brother at mid-season? Talk about a hill of beans!). Baltar is free, sure, but not in the same way he was before this season. I have a feeling that next season he will become the downright villain of the piece, rather than an ambiguously amoral character. Tory, Anders, Tyrol and Tigh being cylons AND having been part of the resistance movement seems like a HUGE change and will change the nature of the cylons (although does that mean that Cylons do indeed age? We've seen Tigh in his younger days, after all). Actually, Ron Moore has spoken on this and suggests that these four cylons are a different breed from the seven models we've seen so far. This will come into play next season. I also don't get the sense that Lee and Bill Adama are okay with each other again. Lee had to sneak into the cockpit of a viper in order to fight in the final skirmish and they haven't had "a moment" rectifying their relationship. I wouldn't be surprised if that moment does come, but I wouldn't expect it to be implied. And since Adama was one of the aquiting judges in the Baltar trial, Roslin is pissed at him AND Lee now. The Adama boys are now on the wrong side of the president...AGAIN (well, at least for Bill).

Yeah, this season had some weak episodes, particularly in the second half, and there's a certain aspect of "shooting from the hip" in the cylon reveal last night, but I wouldn't discount the show just yet. And I, for one, hope that next season is the last, provided that it is a strong season with a strong ending. I'd rather have four solid seasons (with a couple of clunker episodes in seasons two and three) than have the show stretch on forever without any real sense of conclusion. THAT would be a betrayal of the show's nature, I think.

Posted by: Armando at March 26, 2007 4:49 PM

The BSG finale was good, but not anywhere as good as the previous finales, or the mid-season cliffhanger from season two (Pegasus). I'm very interested with where this movie will go as far as what happened on the Pegasus.

I say that Three was apologizing to Anders. She did try to kill him back on Caprica. I have had a suspiscion about this seen that scene first aired. It sounded to me like she thought she had committed a sin against the Final Five, and Anders is the only character I could think of that had a violent encounter with her that we've really seen.

Posted by: audrey at March 26, 2007 5:02 PM

Loved, loved, loved the Rome finale. Was it me or did the writers take the second half as license to pay homage to many great films of the past? There was Antony reprising Joe Pesci in GoodFellas (Do I amuse you?), Vorenus and Pullo with the Butch and Sundance banter as they drove toward the Roman road block, and the Roman sentry echoing The Great Escape by pretending to be fooled and then speaking to Caesarion in Egyptian (I think it was Egyptian) to get him to out himself. There were more, but I'm blanking right now. I never thought I could feel sorry for Atia, but I did and her face was so perfect at the end. Also loved her little tribute to Servilia with "better women than you have tried". As for Pullo and Vorenus, best Bromance ever. Not sure what I'll be doing with the rest of my life now that Rome and Deadwood are over. Oh well!

Posted by: PaddyDog at March 26, 2007 5:05 PM

If in the fourth season...Tigh is not sporting a parrot on his shoulder...

I'll be sorely disappointed.

Perhaps I'm crazy, but the ads for this last episode Adama(the wrinkly old one) was saying we're all cylons, then after the stupid vote for $.99 a person so we can rake in a lot of $$$ off you suckers, they showed the clip again where ADAMA says we're all cylons...yet in the show itself, he never said that.

What's up with that?

I no have recorded so I can't verify.

Posted by: WhoWhatWhere at March 26, 2007 5:26 PM

My biggest disappointment from last night's BSG finale is without a doubt all that quiz bullshit during the break. I'm quite sure that this was something mandated by SciFi network, but it still left a bad taste in my mouth to be associated with a show of BSG's caliber.

At first, I was disappointed they chose to run the episode preview before the episode actually started, but in the end, they did a good job of misdirection. When they showed the snippit of Tigh saying "We're all cylons", they left out the context of the 4 of them being alone in a room together. Nice!

I'm not going to get into analyzing the show or it's direction, however. I'm doing my VERY best not to nit pick away at this or that, because I know that BSG is probably the smartest show on TV, and I am going to hand myself over to be entertained. This is NOT in my nature, however, but I find a certain bliss in approaching it in this manner. The finale was amazing, as good as any previous season. Sit back, enjoy the ride, and if it ends after season 4, I think I understand. I don't agree with it, necessarily, but I do understand wanting to go out on one's own terms.

Posted by: Hunter at March 26, 2007 6:35 PM

PaddyDog - I thought it was just a cute coincidence, but as you said, they did pay some great homages.

I'm glad that Titus didn't give Caesereon the "This looks like the beginning of a beautiful friendship" bit.

As is the concensus here, my wife and I are both bummed with the end of this great series, but I'm glad it ended this way rather than carrying on to some lame conclusion, or becoming the "gladiator games de jour" show.

Posted by: Uncle JR at March 26, 2007 6:50 PM

"There was Antony reprising Joe Pesci in GoodFellas (Do I amuse you?)"

I thought the same thing, PaddyDog!

Rome reminds me of The Sopranos to the extent that I felt myself rooting for/sympathizing with these characters who were, ultimately, mercurial, narcissistic, and cruel. Also, Atia at the end. Just perfect. I also loved how the show let her look beautiful, but also look her age. She wasn't some ridiculously chiseled 40-year-old, which I loved.

Best Atia line ever: "Large penis is always welcome" in reference to the sex slave she sent over to placate Servilia.

Posted by: Samantha T at March 26, 2007 7:18 PM

It's funny that you chose to review these two together, since the comments make it look like no one watches *both* these shows. I'm sure people besides you do, just no one I know.

The Rome finale had me a little choked up in a few places. Also, everyone's right about caring what happens to those complex and unsympathetic characters. The same with Deadwood, and The Sopranos, and Oz... HBO needs to give us some new complete bastards to love.

Posted by: Grumblecakes at March 26, 2007 7:59 PM

Hunter, it was tigh in the clips that said we're all cylons?

I could've sworn it was Adama...
Maybe they panned or cut over to showing Adama after he said it that I am remembering...

Posted by: WhoWhatWhere at March 26, 2007 8:32 PM

It was Chief Tyrol, Hunter and WhoWhatWhere. It always was.

Grumblecakes, there are some of us who watch(ed) both of these shows. They are/were two of the smartest shows on TV (and they're pretty much the only shows I've been following all year with any regularity).

Posted by: Armando at March 26, 2007 8:41 PM

You know, I'd missed the last 3 episodes prior to the finale, and still wasn't surprised as to who the final 4 were. It also was no surprise that Starbuck wasn't truly "gone" from the show. Ron Moore might be gutsy in some ways, but it's no secret he worships the ground the character walks on, and I never thought he was THAT ballsy.

While I generally enjoy the show, I appreciate TV Whore's analysis, as he has echoed some of my concerns as well. Personally speaking, I'm kind of over the sentiment that, because it's generally been a great show, that BSG's above reproach or nitpicking. I especially agree with this:

makes me highly dubious of the continuing claims that the Cylons "have a plan" (something which I'm already suspicious of, quite frankly, in light of the fact that there have been a lot of lucky coincidences and changes to their "plan").

I've never forgotten what Hot!Leoben told Roslin in the first season - Adama is a Cylon. Therefore, I would not at all be surprised if the ol' Admiral turns out to be #5.

Also, Tory and Anders were particularly hawt. I wish they had been a couple from the beginning. At least Anders wouldn't have had to tolerate Starbuck's bullshit.

And will someone please give James Callis some kind of award? The man brings wonderful complexity to a character who should be wholly abhorrent. Somehow, I don't hate the man (Baltar) . I always hear about Hogan or Sackhoff or McDonnell or Olmos, and they're good no doubt, but Callis just brings it and steals every scene he's in.

Posted by: Daphne at March 26, 2007 8:51 PM

The worst part of last nights Rome finale was when the damn HBO announcer said, "And now, the series finale of Rome." and I thought, AGAIN? And we are at the end of Sopranos..and the dreaded words will be spoken again.
Rome was brilliant. So was the review. I just wanted to see so much more! I feel cheated that even 5 minutes of this season was wasted on Timon and family. Why???

Posted by: jp at March 26, 2007 9:12 PM

Aside from the "they have a plan" bit, I think Ron Moore's stayed fairly consistent. We knew from the beginning of this series that there were 12 models and we all started wondering about the other 5 long before anyone talked about them. We also began to realize that the final five would be different, and it seems reasonable that their "switches" wouldn't involve the same kind of trance-like obedience that Boomer had.

I'm an old X-Phile, so I know from retcon. We're not nearly there yet.

Here are my predictions:
1. Starbuck, I agree, is an angel in the same way Chip Six and Chip Baltar are.
2. The "Final Five" were, at one time, on earth. Their story is going to twist the whole colonization/cylon creation/rebellion into a frakkin pretzel and I think it will be amazing.

As long as whoever wrote "The Woman King" and "The Son Blah Blah" never writes any of it.

Posted by: Louise at March 26, 2007 9:15 PM

When HBO pulled Carnivale, I swore I'd never forgive them. Then came Rome, like the baby that softens the hearts of the pissed of Southern Baptist parents with the knocked-up 16-year-old.


I forgave HBO (mostly) and plunged into the dark, beautiful world of Pullo and Vorenus. I hate to see them go, but at least we were given closure with this series.


As far as the ending of last night's finale, I say it was appropriate. Yes, a bit campy in a way, but admit it--we wanted to be left with a feeling that Pullo would be "okay." We are now allowed to imagine the misadventures of Titus Pullo and "Anias." Can you imagine the life of those two?


*sigh* Bring on Big Love. My Sunday nights will be severely lacking now.

Posted by: superedna at March 26, 2007 9:32 PM

DOWN FANBOY!!! I said down damn it! No biting!

Posted by: Craig at March 26, 2007 10:18 PM

Daphne, I'm with you on James Callis. He's probably my favorite actor on BSG and plays my favorite character precisely because he brings so much complexity to a character that could so easily be a cardboard charicature. I do think Hogan is damned good, though. Sackhoff? Meh! She's okay.

Posted by: Armando at March 26, 2007 11:37 PM

As far as the DO THEY HAVE A PLAN? question goes: this interview (http://www.syfyportal.com/news423372.html) with former Buffy the Vampire Slayer writer seems to imply that they had the basic lay of things mapped from the beginning. Coming from a long tradition of reading comic books the problem with LOST is not that they don't know whats going on its that they don't know how quickly to reveal it. Look at the X-files. It was very strong for the first 5 seasons then they blew their load with the movie where everything was revealed resulting in a fun but pointless season 6 followed by a mess. Unfortunately that coincided with the show reaching its peak popularity which mean Fox pushed for more seasons. Essentially the problem I suspect is not, "Do they have a plan?" so much as the question of Optimization of the Story Reveal Rate. But, Ron, from the sense of him I can glean from podcasts, interviews, etc, probably has enough experience to know when to hold, fold and walk away.

Posted by: Austin Wiles at March 27, 2007 12:33 AM

I'm sorry but after all the bullshit with Sharon and Helo's hybrid baby, now Tyrol and Callie's kid is just... there somewhere, just a regular baby not the second most important one in the Cylon masterplan? They're SO not cylons those 4...

Posted by: irina at March 27, 2007 1:01 AM

I think this season of Rome was only 10 episodes, not 13. I would've loved 3 more episodes...

Posted by: oaklandcat at March 27, 2007 2:50 AM

You know, Irina, they only revealed Tyrol as a Cylon in the last five minutes of the episode or so. They can't spend time with his kid being an important hybrid during that time. You've gotta leave something for season 4!

And I second you, Oakland. Hell, I would love another season or Rome entirely!

Posted by: Armando at March 27, 2007 10:58 AM

Superedna: I couldn't agree more. I've been like a battered wife who keeps going back with HBO. I swear I'm leaving and then they lure me back in with a great show only to cancel it way before its time. This time I mean it. I've cancelled HBO effective this morning and it's never coming back on my screen unless I hear the production has begun on the promised Deadwood wrap-up movies.

Posted by: PaddyDog at March 27, 2007 11:26 AM

ok BSG, i still don't know what to make of the season finale--much less the whole season, which is a good thing. i was distracted by Lee's testimony--it would never happen and i couldn't turn off the attorney in me long enough to get past it--the song kind of knocked me out of the BSG universe for a minute, then 4 of the final 5--which i had pretty much figured out a few episodes ago--then Starbuck. it was just too much.

i'm finally starting to sort through everything. i think the final 5 are really the first 5--their view of humanity is very different than the other 7, which is why they split. i knew Tory was a cylon in her first scene and i have wanted Tigh to be a cylon ever since he killed Ellen--his world was just too black & white--plus i love the character and i like the idea of him trying to deal with who/what he is.

Anders and Tyrol are more of a surprise--although i think there were some clues there--i'm going to have to rewatch everything to find out. i hate Callie, so i really don't want her to be a cylon, which would mean there is another hybrid. didn't the baby almost die or something? there may have been some clues there too--i really can't stand Callie, which makes it hard to pay attention to anything involving her character.

i think the final cylon is calling the shots for the final 5, and they do have a plan, but their differences are influencing how their plan palys out. i don't care if Starbuck is an angel, or just in Lee's imagination, ow whateve--i love Starbuck and i don't care what they have to do to keep her around. i can't wait until January to find out what is going to happen--seriously, January!?!?--but i have faith that all will be well.

so say we all!

Posted by: pq at March 27, 2007 2:23 PM

wow. i really should have proof-read that last paragraph.

and i think you may be on to something with the Gauis thing--it even works when an actor on a show has that name--see Gaius Charles, aka Brian 'Smash' Williams on Friday Night Lights.

Posted by: pq at March 27, 2007 2:46 PM

Paddydog,


It's not that HBO is cancelling it per se, it's just too expensive to keep shooting. It was only supposed to be a mini-series anyway.


At least we got two good seasons out of it.


Don't cancel HBO. Bill and his crazy ass wives are coming back!

Posted by: superedna at March 27, 2007 3:47 PM

I LOVED the season finale of BSG! the show just doesn't stop giving us great content!

Apolo and the Admiral sho wno real signs of getting their relationship back together. he stole a raptor, the Admiral did not give him his "wings" back at all. I think in fact their relationshop will crack even more if(hopefully)he comes back to the Galactica saying Starbuck is a Cylon. I know she isn't(which they need to explain o_O)but he saw her Viper explode, what other explanation will he come up with?

As for the Final Four I love three of the four being cylons. Tigh is the closest to Adama while Tory is closest to roslin, both make sense. The idea of the Cylons having a plan GREATLY increases because somehow they knew Adama would be an important figure in the story somehow before anyone else did!

the chief kind of makes sense too considering he is the one that mechanically keeps the ship together. Him being a cylon allows a "program" to kickc in that gives the other cylons an advantage(ala all of the power going out when it did).

Sam is the onyl one that doesn't make sense...the only conclusion I came up with is that because he was close to Starbuck. It will be interesting to see Sam and Leoben fighting over Starbuck...we know she will pick Apollo now because he isn't a Cylon.

Starbuck saying she has been to Earth is odd too. As far as we know the Cylons have the same technology the humans have so how did she get their faster?

And how about the Roslin-Sharon-Six dream? why the hell are they shareing a dream? Two Cylons I can understand but...does that mean the President is the final Cylon? God I hope not!

Posted by: Angelmonster at March 27, 2007 4:36 PM

"The 'Final Five' were, at one time, on earth. Their story is going to twist the whole colonization/cylon creation/rebellion into a frakkin pretzel and I think it will be amazing."

Take the pretzel to its furthest extreme: "This has all happened before, and it will happen again."

The "plan" of which the Cylons believe they are a part could be their particular role in making sure that a grand cycle continues -- as in, humanity is destoyed, survivors follow ancient myth to earth, habitate there for thousands of years, then have to leave, found a new system, habitate there for thousands of years, humanity is destroyed, survivors follow ancient myth to earth...

Meaning somehow the "final five" are more directly connected to the Cyclons of the previous cycle than those of the current cycle (which explains how the "five" can both be Cylons and also considered prominent figures in humanity's religious past).

Posted by: b!X at March 27, 2007 7:11 PM

Someone needs to arrest Ronald Moore, because he has blown my mind all over the wall behind me.

b!X: I really, really, REALLY hope that isn't the case, because that would draw so many damn comparisons to The Matrix Trilogy. If that indeed happens, I may have to go hunting for some writers and a certain man named Moore...and I don't mean Alan...

Daphne: I agree, James Callis needs recognition, if only for the look of utter "I am so f*cked" on Baltar's face when his erstwhile defenders left him. The funny thing is, if he had listened to them and agreed to the mistrial, he would be (comparatively) safe behind bars.

Also: A bearded, long-haired James Callis. J.C. Just saying, something is going on there....

TV Whore: I knew it. Wait, does that mean...I could be one, too? Then why the hell don't I look like Leoben?

And here is an interesting question: what does Tyrol being a Cylon mean for him and the Sharons? Does this change his acceptance of Athena? And what about Boomer? What happens when she finds out? I mean, he took it pretty damn personally when Boomer went rogue, so this new discovery has to put those feelings in a whole new light.

Since other folks are sharing their theories:

1) Even though they said the music wasn't from Earth, and that our Earth isn't necessarily the same Earth in the show, it doesn't mean they aren't similar. Considering the thousands of years since the Colonies were established (and the Earthbound colonists left), it is possible that BSG Earth is like ours in nearly every respect, but 'different' in being in the fictional BSG universe from the beginning. In other words, Earth is our Earth, the only radical difference is that they are about to receive some visitors that will rewrite Terran history. The SETI on that Earth is going to be apoplectic.

2) Just because the survivors did not know about the skinjobs until well after the destruction of the colonies, doesn't mean they didn't exist prior to then. Obviously, Caprica-Six was well established with Baltar when it all went down, also Aaron Doral. As far as Tigh's youth, maybe the Final Five were more prototypical in nature. According to Moore, these four are 'fundamentally different' from the others. Also, the oracle-like Hybrids should be considered 'Model 0', meaning they were the initial attempts at replicating organic form. So maybe the Final Five were the first successful humanoids. But they were so close to human, they even aged like them (probably before the resurrection process was fully developed). And because they were so close to human, they caused a rift with the more mechanical Cylons, who wished for vengeance against their creators. So the subsequent 7 models were made with greater loyalty to the Cylon cause, possibly through religious indoctrination (explaining the Cylon idea of God and the 'plan').

3) Another theory: Humanoid Cylons CAN AGE. Look at Brother Cavil. He is quite advanced in age, while the other models shown so far are much closer in age to each other. And their bodies, while indeed having certain vulnerabilites not shared (certain type of radiation) or negated (an old disease) by humans, have always been indistinguishable from human biology. So why not have them age? Heck, it makes it easier for them to infiltrate, don't you think?

I am sleepy now, so I shall end here.

Posted by: Vermillion at March 28, 2007 12:09 AM

And one more thing about Tyrol being a Cylon: what about the episode where he thinks he is a Cylon sleeper? The episode where he beats Callie and discovers Brother Cavil is a Cylon? Was that just a mind-frak, or was it always a major clue?

Posted by: Vermillion at March 28, 2007 12:32 AM

Anders being a cylon seems a little strange. Wasn't he supposed to have been a relatively famous Pyramid player? You'd think someone would notice carbon copies of him walking around. Unless there's only one of each.

Posted by: Rekrul at March 28, 2007 4:16 PM

I love the fact that the BSG writers love to take huge risks with their season finales (actually Season 1 wasn't a HUGE risk, but it was still quite satisfying). Loved this ep.

Tyrol and Tigh are perfect Cylon candidates - as others said here, it's been hinted at/implied throughout the series, and as recently as Callie's suspicions 2 episodes ago. Anders and Tory do seem a bit random, though, but I suppose it would have been even more stupid if ALL of them were main characters.

Good call on the guy who mentioned Billy - would have been more affecting or "right" if the actor was still around, and he was chosen instead.

For all the conjecture about the Cylon "rules" applying to the Final Five, it's really pointless since the rules don't apply to them. The writers basically have a totally free license to dig into it, guessing they will get into it next season.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 6:31 PM

{small thin whispery voice streaking like light-nin! through this comments section without reading anything and gone before you can blink an eye)

I just want to say that I hate you all for having seen Rome S2 and BSG S3 and having a fab confab about it without me.

--Sulky TV-less person

Posted by: ranylt at March 28, 2007 9:46 PM

James Purefoy was Season 2 of Rome. The quips, the storyline, the gorgeousness. Marc Antony's decline was devastating. Atia was crushed by Antony's death but could still give Livia the smackdown she deserved and Pullo will have a relationship with his son (that mirrors his relationship with young Octavian). It's a shame they could not get the funding for a third season. Shows give the ladies a chance to see gorgeous, full-frontal naked men are few and far between.

Posted by: Marianne at March 28, 2007 11:51 PM

"Tyrol and Tigh are perfect Cylon candidates - as others said here, it's been hinted at/implied throughout the series, and as recently as Callie's suspicions 2 episodes ago. Anders and Tory do seem a bit random, though, but I suppose it would have been even more stupid if ALL of them were main characters."

Certainly explains Tigh's earlier conviction that Tyrol was a frakkin' cylon lover AND a frakkin' cylon...
One of the rules of good spies is that they be close to, but not the seats of power. Influence, not leadership...

Tyrol's past could still be real but he could have been "adopted". Likewise Boomer - Maybe the whole human race has been infiltrated for some time and the cylons have too many factions to know what all is going on - no-one has a monopoly of truth, especially in time of war. But the fascist Three tone was on a reunification groove... suggests that there were rifts in the fabric of cylon politics and culture before.

There are many copies.

Dick Cheney, for instance. He's possibly a robot.

Posted by: Damien Walder at March 29, 2007 2:43 AM

Marianne, I said it earlier and I'll say it again: amen. Purefoy frigging rocked. Campy, funny, mercurial, gorgeous. LOVE HIM.

Posted by: Samantha T at March 31, 2007 12:01 AM

"The "plan" of which the Cylons believe they are a part could be their particular role in making sure that a grand cycle continues -- as in, humanity is destoyed, survivors follow ancient myth to earth, habitate there for thousands of years, then have to leave, found a new system, habitate there for thousands of years, humanity is destroyed, survivors follow ancient myth to earth..."

So Glen Larson based the series originally on Mormon Mythology, right?

Has anyone ever read the series of books by Orson Scott Card starting with "The Memory of Earth?" Those books are based heavily on Mormon mythology also, and they really mirror a lot of what is going on in BSG... and, especially, they support the cyclic nature of time that you're suggesting.

Posted by: Bucko at March 31, 2007 2:28 AM

Just wanted to point out that the composer's name is actually Bear McCreary, not McCready. (Just wanna make sure credit is given where it is due.)

Posted by: Eric at March 31, 2007 2:41 PM

The BSG finale was alternately irritating and rewarding.
Lee: MUST DIE, soon, hopefully by his father's hand. "I know Baltar's on trial, but I wanna talk about ME-ME-ME! I HATE YOU DADDY!! WHY DON'T YOU LOVE ME?"
Starbuck: Interesting that her flight suit/helmet didn't look like the standard Colonial gear. That Viper was spankin' new, too. Hmm. She was also much calmer, acting like a grownup.
Chief Tyrol: He's basically WANTED to be a Cylon ever since the Boomer reveal, so Merry Kobol Day! Cally will probably kill him anyway, and good for her.
Tigh: Making Tigh a Cylon is the laziest, most hypocritical thing the writing staff could do. Tigh & Starbuck were both people in need of redemption, constantly falling and getting back up. Starbuck has become a Valkyrie [Adama's former ship!]. But Tigh? "Let's shit on him some more," giggles the writing staff.
Anders: Don't care, never did. No problem with him as a Cylon.
Tori: see Anders
Adama: From Earth, probably. "This has all happened before, and it will all happen again," sayeth the Scrolls. In order tho write that, someone has to bear witness, to write it up like Frodo. That's Bill Adama. He's Longinius with a Battlestar for a spear, a Flying Dutchman doomed to wander the cosmos. Or maybe not. He's a father with a loveless shrew for an ex-wife and two bratty sons, the wrong one of whom died. He has a chance for real love right in front of him, but declines.
The Cylons have a Plan: Well, they never said which Cylons had the plan, did they?

Posted by: Basher Doubloon at April 1, 2007 6:00 PM

James Purefoy and Ray Stevenson deserve emmy noms for this season of Rome. Polly Walker was great as always, but she wasn't given as much to do as in the first season, i think they should have given her and Octavia the time they wasted on Timon's family. i'd love another season, but i think they ended it perfectly, and i'm satisfied. can't wait for the dvd.

as for Battlestar, i think that Starbuck went through a wormhole or something and ended up on earth, that's where she got the viper. it worked for farscape, right?

Posted by: jen at April 1, 2007 7:07 PM

I'm surprised that nobody else thought that Cavil might know who the final five are. Since he was the one who boxed D'Anna, and in his commentary RDM said that Cavil was kind of the Cylon's secret keeper, it seems kinda plausible that Cavil might be the one who flipped the switch.

Posted by: Zac at April 7, 2007 9:05 PM

Hmmm.. Nobody seems to have touched on the identity of the Fifth of Five (or if you did, I missed it.)

Clearly the last Cylon is the one behind everything - and the one who keeps projecting Cylon "ghosts" into the brains of Baltar, Caprica, and now very possibly Lee Adama. The one who signaled the Final Four to activate. The one who coordinated the meeting in the nebula. It's possible that what we're heading for is the reveal that both species have been used for a third party's purpose, and a final Human/Cylon alliance to free themselves from this controlling influence.

There are other considerations: is it not possible that Cylons invent a means of downloading humans into Cylon bodies?

Finally, there's this: twelve planets are destroyed, an infinitesmal fraction of the survivors, 40,000, arrive at Earth. Where they find what? The original series worked hard to suggest that the Galacticans became the pyramid-builders of ancient Egypt - playing into the cultural pop mythology of the day. Is that where these Galacticans are going?

Or will they find a modern-day Earth? If they find a past or contemporary Earth, it will simply be a helpless 13th target for the Cylons. If a future Earth, how much better can it be prepared?


But let's pretend that they blow up the pursuing Cylons and escape to a modern or future Earth, free and clear. Maybe Earth helps. They win. But then another problem arises: who gives a hoot about 40,000 refugees from space on a planet of 7+ billion humans?

Can you see a dramatic ending to the series which involves Gaius Baltar doing the talk show circuit, Lee Adama being mustered out and going on welfare, and Chief Tyrol driving a cab? Forty thousand people is a nice mid-sized town, but that's about it. Earth will not be so happy about escaping the Cylon peril that they will not remember who brought it to their doorstep.

It will be interesting to see the direction the new season decides to take...

Posted by: Albatross at April 9, 2007 9:17 PM





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