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"Lost: The Variable" (S5/E14) Recap / Daniel Carlson

TV Reviews | May 4, 2009 | Comments (66)


“The Variable,” written by Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz and directed by Paul Edwards, is a pretty solid episode of “Lost,” and a worthy enough installment to mark the series’ 100th hour. True to form, it picked up right where the previous episode ended and kept its action tightly focused, covering just a few hours at best. The only real issue is that it seems like the series, or it least the character most committed to the idea that events are governed by fate, might be getting wishy-washy on its determinism. The episode’s title is a nice callback to last season’s “The Constant,” but the point here is, as Daniel Faraday says, that things can maybe change. Faraday says at one point that he’d been so hung up on the constants that he forgot about the variables, i.e., the free-thinking human components of time’s destined march, but that’s the same argument Jack et al. were making earlier. Faraday hasn’t learned anything new per se, he’s just switched sides, and not very convincingly. He doesn’t supply any evidence to show that things can change, even though (a) that would seem pretty necessary to pull such an existential Crazy Ivan, not to mention (b) we know that Desmond Hume himself seems impervious to/above such restrictions as fate or free will, since Faraday was able to roust Desmond from the hatch and alert his future self to Faraday’s plight back when the island was still skipping randomly through time. Why not just point to that, or work from there?

But at least Hurley didn’t talk as much.

The episode opens right after Desmond got shot by Ben, and he’s being wheeled on a gurney through the hospital as Penny and little Charlie run next to him. He’s taken away for surgery, so Penny and the boy wait in the lobby. (There’s a TV show playing on the set bolted to the wall, and I can’t make out what it is, though part of me hopes it’s the latest episode of “Exposé.”) Eloise Hawking shows up and introduces herself to Penny, saying she’s the mother of Daniel Faraday and that it’s hear fault Desmond was shot. It’s good for these characters to meet, though the series as always makes a big deal out of something that’s a revelation for a character and not the viewer. There’s no need to play up the moment when Eloise says she’s Faraday’s mother; this has been known for a while and suspected for even longer.

Back in 1977, Daniel gets off the sub and sees Miles, who’s surprised the scientist decided to come back from Ann Arbor. Daniel whips out a copy of the latest DHARMA recruitment photo and points out Jack, Kate, and Hurley and says, “This is what I’m doing back here.” Miles says they arrived a few days earlier, but Daniel cuts him off and asks to go to Jack’s place right away. Moments later, they’re knocking on Jack’s door as Jack shuffles down the hallway in his boxers, pulling on a shirt. As soon as he opens the door, Daniel strolls in and starts asking him over and over again how Jack got back to the island. Jack eventually shakes off sleep enough to say that they’d been on a plane, and when pressed he admits that it was Eloise who told them to take the plane in the first place. Daniel sighs and says, “And how did she convince you, Jack? Did she tell you it was your destiny?” Jack, taken aback and looking a little put out that his special nature is being called into question, says that’s exactly what happened. Daniel shakes his head and says he’s got some bad news: “You don’t belong here at all. She was wrong.”

First flashback: Young Daniel is sitting at a piano, practicing his Chopin, when his mother comes in, her eyes still wet from crying over something. She knows what she has to do, and the sentence she has to carry out on her son, and it won’t be easy. She sits next to him and launches into a conversation about the meaning of destiny. Eloise tells her young son that people with special gifts need to be nurtured; to prove her point, she stops the metronome that’s been keeping time as Daniel plays and asks him how many beats it’s counted during his practice. He calmly answers 864 like it’s nothing. Mom tells him that he’s got a brain built for science and math, and that it’s her “job” to keep him on the “right path,” which means the piano is out. The boy — in the unfortunately awkward rhythm of a child actor hired for his skill with music instead of line readings — says that he can do both. “I can make time,” he says. Eloise, not one to pass up a chance to play on ominous double meanings, simply says, “If only you could.” And she closes the cover on the keys.

Back in 1977, Daniel and Miles leave Jack’s place for the Orchid, even as Jack hurries out the door after them to try and get Daniel to expound on his whole thing about Jack’s not needing to be on the island. But Daniel and Miles are driving off in the jeep, so Daniel shouts that he’s got an errand to run and can explain later. Moments later, Jack heads to Sawyer’s and fills him in on what’s going down, but Sawyer says he’s busy and can’t really talk about it. Jack, understandably, wants to know what Sawyer is busy with at 6 in the morning, but Juliet tells Sawyer to just invite Jack in and tell him the truth. So he does. Sawyer tells Jack that one of his security guards, Phil, has a tape of Sawyer and Kate taking Baby Ben out to the Hostiles, and that though the tape is still with Phil, Phil’s close at hand. Sawyer opens the hall closet to reveal Phil — bound, gagged, and looking plenty pissed — before making cursory introductions. Jack just shakes his head, digesting what’s becoming a pretty crazy morning, even for him.

Out at the Orchid, Daniel and Miles are sitting in the jeep watching the construction crew when Dr. Chang pulls up in a blue van. “Right on time,” Daniel says, even apparently checking his watch. (How accurate are his notes about the past?) Daniel leaves Miles in the jeep and, journal in hand, heads into the station. He flips through his book’s pages as he descends on the elevator into the underground construction area, glancing over pages of equations. He gets off the lift to hear Chang scolding the construction foreman about the dangers of continuing to drill near the hidden pocket of time-controlling energy — the lecture Chang delivers in the opening sequence of “Because You Left,” the season premiere. Daniel grabs a hard hat and canister and heads toward the wall, bumping into Chang and chatting with Tony the foreman, then runs right back the way he came to catch up with Chang. He reintroduces himself, saying he just came in on the sub but originally came to the island three years ago with LaFleur. Daniel tells Chang that the doctor needs to order the evacuation of the island because the electromagnetic activity “unleashed” by the drilling is going to be a problem. Chang says the energy is contained, which is true, but Daniel tells him that in six hours, a similar explosion of energy is going to happen at the Swan station — the good ol’ hatch — and that one will be 30,000 times greater than what just happened. Daniel calls it “catastrophic,” which seems to be putting it mildly. By this point, Chang and Daniel are riding the elevator back to the surface, and Chang scoffs at Daniel’s warning and asks how he’s qualified to make such a prediction. Taking a breath, Daniel opts for the truth, ridiculous as it sounds: “I’m from the future.”

Next thing you know, Daniel is chasing Chang toward the van and trying to explain himself, showing him pages of advanced equations in his journal, and Miles comes over to see what’s what and break things up before they get out of hand. But Daniel presses on and says, “Dr. Chang, Miles is your son.” He tells Chang it makes sense: They’re both Chinese, and a guy with Chang’s baby’s name shows up at the same time Daniel does, so it can’t be a coincidence. (Or it totally could, since Daniel’s not doing a bang-up job selling himself, but whatever.) Chang, starting to have his doubts, asks Miles if it’s true, but Miles denies it, and Chang hops in the van and drives off. Miles asks what the hell Daniel’s up to, and he replies, “I’m just making sure your father does what he’s supposed to do.”

Second flashaback: It’s Daniel’s graduation from Oxford, and he’s sporting some truly epic hair as he strolls across the campus and introduces his mother to his girlfriend, Theresa, who will eventually be rendered semi-comatose by Daniel’s pink time-travel ray of doom. Eloise ignores Theresa and tells Daniel she wants to celebrate with lunch at a nice restaurant, and when he says they’d love to, she comes right out and says she just wants it to be the two of them without Theresa. Daniel’s unhappy, but takes it. He and Eloise head to a restaurant that doesn’t look at all nice enough to require its customers to make reservations, and when he complains about the way she treated Theresa, Eloise brushes it off and tells Daniel he won’t have time for relationships because of his work. “The women in your life will only be terribly hurt,” she says, which is this week’s Blatant Foreshadowing. Daniel attacks Eloise for pushing him so hard, asking what else he has to do to impress her after becoming the youngest doctorate to graduate from Oxford and securing a lucrative research grant. He doesn’t personally know his benefactor, saying it’s some “industrialist” named Charles Widmore, a revelation that seems to shock and worry Eloise. She shakes her head and says she came not to fight but to congratulate her son, retrieving a gift and passing it to him before leaving. He opens it to find the leatherbound journal he’ll soon fill with notes and one day take to the island. Inside the cover is an inscription: “No matter what, remember, I will always love you.”

Back on the island, Sawyer is leading a meeting with Jack, Kate, Hurley, Jin, and Juliet to form a plan about what to do next. Sawyer takes charge right away by saying, “Party’s over,” adding that though the Oceanic Six just arrived, he and Juliet have been on the island for three years and have no desire to leave the life they’ve built. Hurley asks if they can’t just tell Phil — the guy who is, you know, bound and gagged in the closet — that the whole thing’s been a misunderstanding. GOOD PLAN HURLEY. Sawyer tells the group that Baby Ben’s absence will be noticed before long, which leaves them with two options: commandeer the sub and bolt, or retreat into the jungle and begin again the long process of trying to live off the land. Jin says he’s not leaving if there’s a chance Sun might still be around somewhere, and Hurley says he doesn’t want to leave after all the work they did to get back there. The meeting is interrupted by a knock at the door, and Sawyer grabs a pistol as he opens it up to see Daniel and Miles. Sawyer softens a bit and delivers the second-funniest line in the episode: “Welcome to the meeting, twitchy. Good to see you again. Pound cake’s in the kitchen. Help yourself to the punch.” As Daniel passes him, Sawyer turns to Miles and quietly asks, “He still crazy?” Miles shrugs and says, “It’s on a whole new level.” This seems like a bit of overkill, since it’s not like Daniel has been running around doing or saying anything weirder than normal, but whatever. In the living room, Daniel apologizes to Jack for being rude earlier but says he’s on a mission of “critical importance” before asking where to find the Hostiles. Sawyer looks uneasy at this, and Juliet wants to know why Daniel needs to find them. Sighing a little, Daniel says that one of them is his mother, and she’s the “only person who can get us back to where we belong.” Daniel does love a good dramatic announcement.

Third flashback: It’s 2004, and Daniel is watching the news footage on TV about the discovered wreckage of Oceanic Flight 815. He’s weeping, but he doesn’t know why. (The first part of the scene is recycled from last season’s “Confirmed Dead,” which is why Jeremy Davies’ hair and makeup don’t quite match up for the entire sequence.) His caretaker, Caroline, asks him why he’s so upset, and he can’t answer. She answers a knock at the door and lets in Charles Widmore, and Daniel stands to greet the man but stammers an apology for not recognizing him, saying that he’s got a “condition” that affects his memory. Widmore tells him not to be embarrassed because they’ve never met, then tells Daniel who he is, and the name of Charles Widmore is enough to job the scientist’s memory. Daniel remembers the name from his research grant and invites Widmore to sit down, which he does after clearing an issue of Wired magazine — one with an article about time travel — from the couch. They talk about Oxford, Daniel still weepy the whole time, and he tells Widmore that he tested “it” on himself first and would never willingly harm Theresa. Widmore says he’s there to give Daniel a new opportunity, and Daniel starts to say he can’t accept it when the TV catches his eye and he starts crying again. “I don’t know why it’s bothering me so much,” he says of the images of the drowned fuselage, but Widmore tells Daniel that the people on the plane aren’t dead, and that the wreck was just an elaborate and expensive fake that he, Widmore, put there. Widmore adds that Daniel will have forgotten learning this by the next day, then says that that Oceanic 815 crashed on an island with “unique scientific properties.” Widmore offers to send Daniel there to further his research, but more importantly, to have his mind and memory healed. Daniel looks so sadly hopeful when he hears this, but he wants to know why Widmore is taking an interest in him. The older man says simply that Daniel is “a man of tremendous gifts, and it would be a shame to see them go to waste.” When Daniel says Widmore is talking like Daniel’s mother, Widmore gives a creepy little chuckle and says, “That’s because we’re old friends.” (Blatant Foreshadowing No. 2!)

Back in 1977, Sawyer is still wrapping his head around the fact that Daniel’s mother is an Other, and Daniel says they actually met her when the island skipped to 1954 and she was being called Ellie. Hurley cocks his head and says, “You guys were in 1954? Like, Fonzie times?” NO HURLEY YOU MORON NOT LIKE FONZIE TIMES. Sawyer and Juliet still aren’t happy with Daniel’s desire to find the Hostiles, and Sawyer reminds him of the whole “whatever happened, happened” thing. Jack, who’s starting to change his tune on the destiny angle, tells Sawyer they should listen to Daniel since none of them belong there, but Sawyer says they “belonged just fine” until the Six came back. Jack turns to Kate to ask if she can get them back to the Hostiles’ camp, and Jack and Sawyer engage in a brief power struggle over Kate and the group at large. Jack says that Kate’s reason for coming to the island, whatever it is, isn’t in 1977. Sawyer tells her to stay with them, calling her “Freckles,” and that’s the last straw for Juliet, who looks up and sees that Sawyer still kind of sort of maybe has boy-girl feelings for Kate. Juliet gives Kate the code to the sonar fence — 141717 — and tells her to take Daniel, saying, “It’s over for us here anyway.” Jack and Kate head for the door with Daniel, who asks for Miles to drive them, but Miles just tosses them the keys, though not in an unfriendly way. Sawyer tells them that when they realize their mistake, they’ll find Sawyer and Juliet back the beach, “right where we started.” Jack, Kate, and Daniel take off, and Sawyer turns to the rest and tells them to pack and regroup in 20 minutes. Sawyer tenderly takes Juliet’s hand and says, “Time to go.”

Outside, Jack and Kate head for the arms cabinet at the motor pool while Daniel splits off and beelines for — yep — the little redheaded girl on the swingset. It’s Charlotte. She’s munching on a chocolate bar, and as Daniel approaches, she speaks the words that will also be her last, years later: “I’m not allowed to have chocolate before dinner.” Daniel reassures her that he won’t tell. He hunkers down in front of her and tells her that Dr. Chang is hopefully about to tell people to leave the island, and when he does that, Charlotte and her mom need to get on the submarine and leave. “In case what I do does not work,” Daniel says, “you cannot be here. … I tried to avoid telling you this. I didn’t think I could change things, but maybe I can.” He’s weeping as he says this, which understandably weirds out little Charlotte, who starts to cry as well.

Over at the motor pool, Jack and Kate are loading guns and ammo into a backpack when Daniel shows up. Kate passes him a rifle, which he hands back as he politely asks, “Do you have something for a beginner?” That’s the best line of the night. The trio get ready to move when Radzinsky, that trigger-happy torture-hound, shows up with his posse and wants to know why Daniel isn’t with the other physicists at the Swan site. Daniel starts making up a story about having to help Chang, but Radzinsky spots the pistol in his hand, at which point things start to get hairy pretty fast. Radzinsky’s crew raise their weapons, but Daniel keeps sliding toward the jeep and saying he and his friends are just gonna leave. Radzinsky isn’t down with that at all, so he fires at Daniel, grazing his neck, while Daniel goes down firing at Radzinsky, who gets hit in the arm. His boys open up on Jack and Kate, who return fire. Perhaps the most amazing thing is that a full-on gunfight breaks out and no one comes to see what’s happening. Jack, Kate, and Daniel regroup behind a tool station, and Jack lays down covering fire while the other two scramble to the jeep. He spots a pair of fuel drums and fires at them, rocking back Radiznky’s crew in the explosion as Kate rockets the jeep out of the garage. Jack jumps in as they peel out, their windshield exploding from bullets as they escape. Radzinsky wheels on his men and yells, “Sound the alarm!”

Final flashback: Daniel is once again at his mother’s piano, struggling a little with the piece he’d been able to play so expertly as a boy. Eloise walks in and pulls up a chair next to him, saying she would have called, but Daniel glumly says he’d have forgotten anyway if she had. She asks him if he’s been offered a job, saying it’s her business to know such things, and doesn’t even wait for an answer before telling him that it’s very important he accept Widmore’s offer. Daniel wells up again — this guy cries a lot; maybe too much — and says he can’t do it. Widmore wants him to perform “really, really complex space-time calibrations and calculate bearings,” and Daniel doesn’t know how to do that anymore. Eloise tells Daniel that the island can help him in his work and make him better. He asks if she really wants him to go, and if it’ll make her proud of him, and though she answers in the affirmative to both, it’s clearly breaking her to do so. She doesn’t want him to go, or rather, she does but isn’t comfortable with that. Daniel nods and says, “Then I’ll do it.”

Out on the island, Jack, Kate, and Daniel arrive at the sonic fence, and Kate deactivates the pylons while Jack examines Daniel’s wound. He says Daniel will be fine, to which Daniel responds, “I guess I’m lucky.” Jack asks what role luck plays in it, since Daniel purportedly said “whatever happened, happened,” but Jack is making the critical mistake of mixing up personal time and global time. This happens a lot. Miles already explained it a few episodes ago, saying that the events in 1977 had already happened (global time) but that the Oceanic Six hadn’t experienced how they turned out yet (personal time). Jack has forgotten that he’s in his own present, and can of course be hurt or die. He is always at the latest point in his personal timeline, even if earlier points in that timeline occurred in the global future. “Any one of us can die, Jack,” Daniel says, and on that happy note, the three of them head off into the jungle.

Back at the Barracks, Sawyer and Juliet are packing when he apologizes for not heeding her warning that the return of the Oceanic Six would be trouble. “You still got my back?” he asks her, but she coolly says, “You still got mine?” They’re either gonna break up or one of them will die; either way, something bad will happen. Before Sawyer can respond, the alarm begins to blare. Radzinsky and his men pass Hurley and Jin outside before barging into Sawyer’s place, and Radzinsky is plenty pissed about being shot by a physicist. “We’ve been infiltrated,” he says. Sawyer tries to calm him down, but Radzinsy’s distracted by the thumping sound coming from the closet. When Sawyer tries to play off the sound as coming from outside, Radzinsky walks over to the closet and opens it to find Phil, who by now is probably very thirsty, kicking around. He turns and raises his gun at Sawyer, telling him to get down on the ground, and Sawyer and Juliet reluctantly comply.

In the jungle, Jack, Kate, and Daniel stop to rest by a stream. Jack asks Daniel why needs to be armed to visit Eloise, and Daniel shrugs and says, “You don’t know my mother.” He then proceeds to explain his urgency. In four hours, the DHARMA team at the Swan will drill into a pocket of energy the release of which would be catastrophic, so they’ll cement the whole thing in “like Chernobyl.” That’s the birth of what the castaways refer to as the hatch, and because of the accident, the DHARMA people will spend the next 20 years keeping the energy contained by pushing a button every 108 minutes, a button Desmond will be charged with pushing and whose failure to be pushed will cause the crash of Oceanic 815. (This is all pretty well known.) Daniel says that the entire chain of events that led them to that moment will begin that afternoon, and he believes that can be changed. He says that he’d been so focused on the constants in the equation — the unchanging past — that he forgot to account for the variables, i.e., the free-thinking humans involved in the mix. And people can control their destiny, so Daniel wants to undo the damage at the Swan and stop the whole mess from ever happening, rewriting a few decades of history in the process. Kate asks how he plans to do this, and he replies, “I’m gonna detonate a hydrogen bomb.” Her dumbfounded reaction is perfect.

Back in 2008, Eloise and Penny are at the hospital, and Penny is coping with the fact that she’s talking to the woman Desmond was sent to Los Angeles to find. Eloise apologizes again for what’s happened, saying that Desmond is “a casualty in a conflict that’s bigger than him, that’s bigger than any of us.” Penny panics and asks if Desmond will survive, but Eloise says she doesn’t know, and that for the first time in a long while, she doesn’t know what’s going to happen. But Penny is spared any more moments of wondering if her husband will live; a nurse appears and tells her Desmond is in the recovery room, and that she can go see him. Eloise slips out as Penny heads to Desmond’s room, finding him looking surprisingly well for a dude who just got shot. They have a tearful and sweet reunion. Outside, Eloise runs into Widmore — this guy is freaking everywhere now — who asks how Desmond is doing. Eloise says he’s fine, then tells him to go in and say hello to his daughter. Widmore says that his relationship with Penny is one of the things he had to sacrifice, but she comes right back and tells him she can beat him when it comes to sacrifices, since she sent Daniel back to the island knowing what would happen. Widmore cuts her off with the reminder: “He’s my son, too, Eloise.” Hey now. Eloise just slaps him and gets in a cab.

In the island, Daniel is leading the way through the jungle as Kate tells Jack that the plan to rewrite history is insane. Jack shrugs it off by saying, “We disappeared off a plane in midair and ended up in 1977. I’m getting kind of used to insane.” New Jack is definitely more fun than Old Jack. They come upon the Hostiles’ camp in a clearing below, and Daniel wastes no time charging down the hill. Jack tries to follow, but Kate holds him back. Daniel makes his way slowly into the camp and gets pretty far before he’s finally spotted, but he fires a couple rounds into the ground to keep the nearby Hostile from reaching for a weapon. He moves into the camp as the Hostiles hold their hands up, but he calls out that he doesn’t want to hurt anyone and only wants to speak to Eloise. Richard Alpert appears and says Eloise isn’t around right now, and he and Daniel have a wonderful moment of recognition. Richard asks how they know each other, but Daniel asks where he can find the hydrogen bomb he told Richard and his people to bury. Richard repeatedly asks him to lower his weapon, but Daniel instead foolishly gives Richard three seconds to comply. He counts down, and a shot rings out, but of course he wasn’t the one to fire. Daniel looks down to see blood spreading on his chest, and he slumps to the ground to reveal Eloise (!) holding a smoking rifle. She was the one who murdered her son, and knew every day she raised him that she’d one day send him back to be killed by her own hand. Richard furiously asks why she fired, saying that he wasn’t in danger and calling Eloise by name. Daniel, lying on the ground, looks up into his young mother’s eyes as it all comes crashing home. “You knew this was going to happen,” he says. “You sent me here anyway.” Eloise asks who he is, and with his last breath, he says, “I’m your son.” And with that, Daniel Faraday dies.

And that’s the episode. Among other things, it’s clear that anyone who crewed on the Kahana is probably in for a rough time: Keamy’s dead, doc had his throat cut, Minkowski got unstuck in time, Naomi’s dead, Charlotte and Daniel are dead, Frank’s unconscious and probably being held captive by the cabal of Ilana and Bram, and Miles hangs out with Hurley. Also, it’s possible that Daniel had indeed met Widmore before that day he came to visit, since his condition as a result of his temporal experiments would have made him forget it anyway. Plus, it looks like Daniel and Penny are half-siblings; Widmore was banished by Ben for (among other things) starting a family with an outsider, but having a kid with Eloise might be kosher for the Hostiles. I guess the issue I’m still working out is Daniel’s sudden change of heart in re: destiny. Daniel’s argument about wanting to change the past didn’t seem to be quite in line with his stated beliefs about history being unchangeable, since the events of 1977 were part of the global time and not seemingly up for grabs. Plus, Chang himself reminded his foreman that you couldn’t, say, go back and kill Hitler. The past is the past; 1939 is 1977, etc. Why did Daniel think it would work? Maybe I’m just too close to it to see it. I welcome, as always, lively discussion.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a TV critic for The Hollywood Reporter. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.


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I'm not sure Daniel thinks anything can be changed. He was behaving so erratically and irrationally (very non-scientist-like) and was so vague in his proclamations that it made me wonder if it was an act. If his aim was to actually affect change, wildly waving a gun around in the presence of Dharma and The Others does not seem like the way to do it. (Why go in there holding a gun at all? The Others might be brutal at times, but they've always shown a willingness to at least talk and listen to reason first - especially Richard Alpert.)

It almost seems to me like Daniel's time in Ann Arbor was spent discovering that his place in the tapestry of time-travel and the Island's history was to nudge certain people to do certain things, although how he would discover that in 1977 is a mystery to me. For example, he is supposed to give Miles' dad a slight warning, he is supposed to motivate Jack and Kate to go visit the Others, he is supposed to talk to Desmond in the hatch, etc. Within that theory, though, how foreknowledge of what you're "supposed" to do is not contradictory and paradoxical to "whatever happened, happened" is beyond me.

On that note, what would be the point of telling Jack and Kate that they can prevent themselves from crashing? Is that really something they want to do? What would happen to their present selves if they did change the future? And why do they care about their past/future selves in that scenario? These characters aren't idiots; you don't have to be a physicist to wonder about the implications of changing the past.

I'm of the opinion that the writers might be starting to lose the handle on their time-travel logic.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 4, 2009 2:56 PM

My Monday just became a better place. Thank you Daniel.

Posted by: Henry at May 4, 2009 3:00 PM

I was sort of wondering why the fuel drums exploded simply because a bullet was fired into one--I seem to recall reading somewhere that they don't just explode like that.

Also, what's with Hurley now? He had such promise as a likeable, amusing character and now the writers are making him out to be an insipid oaf. Sad, really. Maybe they can go back in time and write him some better lines.

Posted by: Bd at May 4, 2009 3:01 PM

Something weird is going on with Eloise and her son - or should I say something was? Daniel seemed perturbed that his mother told Jack it was his destiny to return to the island. Whatever the end outcome, I think the Daniel and Eloise were at odds as to what it should be.

I don't find good enough motivation for Daniel to try (or to influence Jack and Kate to try) to un-crash the Oceanic flight. I don't buy that it's all about saving Charlotte, and I don't buy that it's just out of the goodness of his heart. Daniel had to be up to something more than what we think we know.

And Eloise - has she also been time traveling? How did she know everything that was to come when Daniel was a boy? Please don't tell me she read it in his journal as many people are speculating. His journal wasn't like a teen aged girl's diary, full of details from every moment of every day. There is something more going on with Eloise. She knows much more than someone who was just trying to help her son. I wonder if she - or even both she and Daniel - found some way to actually see events through time.

Moreover, why in the world are Kate and Jack running all willy nilly to un-do the Oceanic crash without a moment's thought as to what the ramifications might possibly be? Of all the people, Kate wouldn't want an un-crash. And don't even get me started on the incongruity; what would happen to all the dead people? By the rules we've learned, they would all just die again some other time? You'd think at least Jack would suggest a moment on the beach for a Dharma beer and an ounce or two of sense.

And lastly, I must agree with Doc Jensen at EW. Daniel seemed to be running around the island like a crazy man on a crazy mission - creating chaos. The Daniel we've met wouldn't have barged into the Others' camp waving a gun at Richard and demanding a meeting within three seconds. I don't know if he really was all fruit loops, or if he was setting something in motion.

Posted by: Cindy at May 4, 2009 3:04 PM

Yeah I was bothered by Daniel's logic in this one--he didn't seem to have a good reason for wanting to change the future, especially if he had no idea how things would turn out. And approaching the hostiles with a gun was not just insane--considering he'd already dealt with them in 1954, successfully, and knew Richard and knew how to approach them sanely--but it was also against his own character. I'd like to believe it was all part of a plan to get shot or something.

Posted by: Bd at May 4, 2009 3:06 PM

Our minds are working in a similarly freaky way, Darth.

Posted by: Cindy at May 4, 2009 3:07 PM

Even provided that a nuclear explosion (of a twenty odd year old bomb, no less) could stop the electromagnetic whatchamahoozit, wouldn't that be pretty dangerous for everyone on the island including baby Charlotte? Ooh, everything about Daniel in this episode makes my head hurt...

Posted by: Bd at May 4, 2009 3:09 PM

Of all the great philosophical questions this show raises, I just want to know how Daniel's last name came to be Farraday.

Posted by: elsie at May 4, 2009 3:10 PM

I think people may be reading too much into this episode, for once. This was a great way to end a story arc and make some unknowns known. It also tied up any lingering doubt that Daniel was correct about not being able to change the past. Turns out he was.

Posted by: katy at May 4, 2009 3:12 PM

Excellent recap! This:

NO HURLEY YOU MORON NOT LIKE FONZIE TIMES.

had me cracking up.

Posted by: Melissa at May 4, 2009 3:16 PM

The Others might be brutal at times, but they've always shown a willingness to at least talk and listen to reason first - especially Richard Alpert.

I disagree. Im my opinion, the Others are notoriously trigger happy, with Richard being the lone exception.

I don't know if Daniel went back to the island in order to make sure that things happened the way they always did, or if he truly started to believe things could be changed. His heart was weak to begin with, what with his mother's coldness, his first girlfriend being for all intents and purposes dead in England, and his effed up memory - perhaps Charlotte dying coupled with whatever research he was conducting at Ann Arbor got him thinking, or rather, hoping, that things really could end up differently. I think he may have known the day and time that the "incident" occurs, but I doubt he knew he was going to die. And he obviously had no idea that his mother would be the one to kill him.

And I'm convinced that Widmore wasn't the only one leaving the island regularly. It's obvious Daniel wasn't raised on the island, and I think the dayshe forced him to quit playing the piano may have been the day she shot him (in 1977). She seemed distraught over something, and Lost wouldn't have had her just crying for no reason.

Posted by: Kolby at May 4, 2009 3:19 PM

...a nurse appears and tells her Desmond is in the recovery room, and that she can go see him...

WTF? So Penny has just been told that simultaneous nefarious hijinks of all sorts have been ensuing by some creepy woman who has randomly appeared at the hospital and she LEAVES HER CHILD ALONE WITH SOME NURSE to go see Desmond? Mr. Henry and I were convinced that something bad was going to happen to Charlie. I'm still not convinced that it won't. There is no way that she would walk away from her child. Desmond and Penny blah, blah, blah a love for the ages; she would not have left her child alone in the world she exists in. I wouldn't have left my child alone and my father is a kindly billionaire industrialist with whom I have not had to sever all ties.

Posted by: Henry at May 4, 2009 3:21 PM

If they do end up changing the past and preventing flight 815 from crashing and there series finale ends with everyone just deplaning in LA without ever having met I AM GOING TO BE SO PISSED.

Posted by: Rachel at May 4, 2009 3:21 PM

Daniel's change of heart re "what happened, happened" wasn't necessarily sudden. He had 3 years off the island working with the Dharma scientists. We know he sometimes has trouble expressing his ideas and plans so perhaps it only seems sudden to the viewers who got maybe 10 minutes of 1977 Daniel time in this episode.

I am with you all on Daniel purposefully setting some events in motion. He was too smart to behave so erratically without cause. The arrival of the O6 in 1977 either changed something he thought couldn't be changed or set something in motion that he needed to direct. The fact that they show up just before the Incident may have been enough of a non-coincidence to finally accept and act on the variable theory he espoused.

Posted by: ed newman at May 4, 2009 3:22 PM

Henry - I wouldn't worry about little Charlie. Children (young children anyway, I'm not talking about Alex)seem to be untouchable on Lost.

Posted by: Kolby at May 4, 2009 3:24 PM

What about the Dharma Booth Video from Comic con? Was that not canon? See, shit like that makes me question whether or not Daniel is really dead, OR if perhaps his future self (the one who can't remember anything) had already been to the island or would be heading there again, after his own death (Time Traveler's Wife style). Does that make sense?

Posted by: Kolby at May 4, 2009 3:27 PM

Personally, I think it would be hilarious if they did prevent flight 815 from crashing and deplaned in LA without having met each other.

Should this come to pass, I think JJ Abrams and Lindelof would have to go into hiding from the show's fans. Sort of like Salmon Rushdie in the 1980's after the Ayatollah put a fatwah on his head.

The Lostie's would be no less kind I'm sure.

Posted by: anderbot at May 4, 2009 3:32 PM

cindy>> Yeah, I noticed that. :- )

katy>> Fair enough. That might be the case. However, if so, I find it to be a rather poorly written episode in terms of character consistency for Daniel, much like that brief stretch in season 2 when Sawyer, Charlie, and Locke seemed to completely go around the bend. Three years of study and this is the course of action Daniel comes back with? Although I can appreciate the tragic irony of the episode's final beat, it just felt way too rushed in how we arrived at that moment.

Although I think the established number of episodes before the end of the series is overall a good constraint for Lost, maybe it's beginning to work against the show in terms of the details and characterization as they rush to hit the big plot points at the designated times.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 4, 2009 3:33 PM

It seems that the Losties are going to cause the "Incident" that unleashes the energy. I don't think the future can be changed and so far there has been nothing that has indicated otherwise. Hopefully at the end of this season they will get back to present time and the time-travel mindfuck storylines will back off. It's been fun this season but it is getting a bit played out.

Posted by: TylerDFC at May 4, 2009 3:33 PM

Desmond is Daniel, y'all.

Posted by: hater from siloam springs at May 4, 2009 3:34 PM

in response to kolby: i'm not sure we know at this point whether 1977 Eloise had already given birth to baby daniel. if i am wrong, someone please correct me.

Posted by: eddie brown at May 4, 2009 3:35 PM

Maybe Faraday was pulling a "Greek Tragedy" move in his declarations to Jack and Kate. Maybe he told them that the past could be changed because they "have" to do something, and it was the way to get them to do it.

Wee Ben became Evil Ben when the time travelers tried to change the past with their free will. I bet Faraday's plan was the same. For Jack and Kate to do What Already Happened, they need to believe they have free will. So Faraday told them what they needed to hear. Maybe.

Going by story structures and the need for DRAMA!, I'd wager there'll be one, and only one hink in the "what happened, happened" timeline, due to Daniel Faraday. (After all, pure determinism is a hard sell to a modern audience. Fate must be powerful, so predictions and prophesies come true, but not all-powerful, or people get depressed.) Recall the one thing in the past that Faraday actively tried to change that we didn't see.

He will have saved Charlotte.

Bet on it.

Posted by: Soulless Merchant of Fear at May 4, 2009 3:37 PM

If the goal now truly is to prevent Flight 815 from crashing, it seems to me the writers have a fundamental problem.

I simply don't care about this group of passengers in the alternate universe. Where's my motivation for seeing them saved, and truly where is the motivation for anyone to save someone else in this abstract alternate universe concept? Will everything be o.k. if they bring Charlie and company back from the dead in another universe? Their Charlie is still dead. The ones I (and the characters in the show) care about are the ones on the Island.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 4, 2009 3:39 PM

Oh, and, you know a very enjoyable episode. I thought Faraday's acting when he spoke to Charlotte was just tremendous. The way he looked at her was heartbreaking.

And I agree with everyone's comments. To whit -

Why would Jack and Kate want to change events?

Why didn't anyone come running when there was gunplay and an explosion in the camp? !

Why on earth did they need guns in the first place? They could have just slipped away.

My own question - Are we sure he's dead? Could he be dead in a Locke-Got-Shot-in-the-Tummy but was healed kind of way?

Posted by: Henry at May 4, 2009 3:46 PM

kolby >> Your theory about Daniel's playing the piano in 1977 near the time he dies is a good one, but is Daniel old enough to satisfy it? I don't know how old the kid is supposed to be or how old Daniel is now.

What was in this Dharma Booth video?

As for the trigger-happy nature of The Others, I can point to many instances in which they have spoken calmly before resorting to violence or threats. I acknowledge that they are usually armed, are unquestionably dangerous, and don't seem reluctant to make murder a solution. Nevertheless, the last thing you want to do around those who are trigger-happy (particularly when you are outnumbered) is wave a gun around and make threats (in their camp, no less). I realize Daniel is not experienced with firearms, but it still seems blatantly stupid when you take into consideration the conversation that Daniel had with Alpert in the 1950s and the fact that some sort of "truce" is currently in effect on the island.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 4, 2009 3:53 PM

As usual, there's a lot of over-thinking going on. There's never much use in asking too many questions about a McGuffin.

Just because Farraday changed his mind -- he had plenty of reasons to WANT it to be different, the main one being Charlotte's death -- doesn't mean there's any support for it in the show yet. So far, they seem to be following the 12 Monkeys model that the past is the past and only the future can be changed. I'm not sure this model makes sense, but it's a common device in sci-fi. They've had fun with the idea, primarily using Hurley.

Of course, the more consistent model would be the "film in the can" deterministic model, where everything is set, past, present, and future, and all that changes is one's perception of these events as they experience them in the present. There's no changing of history, only its playing out. The one thing to cut against this is the interaction between Farraday and Desmond.

I suspect that Eloise experienced a similar thing to Desmond and that's why it's suggested she knows things that will happen.

Posted by: extramsg at May 4, 2009 3:54 PM

Kolby>> I like your theory as to why Daniel was acting the way he was. Dude had some problems and Jeremy Davies seemed to be recalling his performance in Solaris to express it.

Although I was kind of excited someone had mommy issues instead of daddy issues this time around (well, I guess Daniel had both). RIP Daniel Faraday.

And yeah, the writers need to give us something else to work with this week because we already get the whole "what happened happened" thing. Throw something else at us.

Posted by: kelsy at May 4, 2009 3:55 PM

My own question - Are we sure he's dead? Could he be dead in a Locke-Got-Shot-in-the-Tummy but was healed kind of way?

Only if the island isn't done with him yet. I personally felt a strong sense of finality in his death, but I'd be ok with him coming back again. It does seem like he could have more information to share.

I still think it's possible that the deeper meaning of this episode is that the past really-truly-actually can't be changed. This set up could be an important point in the remaining episodes.

Perhaps the most amazing thing is that a full-on gunfight breaks out and no one comes to see what’s happening

As amazing as no one yet freaking out that a near death baby Ben is missing? I would have expected Roger to be on a drunken rampage about this one by now.

Posted by: katy at May 4, 2009 3:56 PM

I think the dayshe forced him to quit playing the piano may have been the day she shot him (in 1977). She seemed distraught over something, and Lost wouldn't have had her just crying for no reason. That doesn't make much sense, Kolby, even for LOST. But as I try to come up with a well-versed argument as to why, I find myself slowly understanding your logic...

she LEAVES HER CHILD ALONE WITH SOME NURSE to go see Desmond? THANK YOU, Henry, I COMPLETELY agree. I screamed at my screen, "Don't leave him alone with that crazy woman!?! Have you learned nothing? You were JUST ATTACKED!!"

What about the Dharma Booth Video from Comic con? Was that not canon? See, shit like that makes me question whether or not Daniel is really dead. That was my thought as well, Kolby, but we shall have to wait and see.

And despite various feelings of "not needing the new characters", I am increasingly curious about our bully friends from Ajira. I want to know if Bram and Ilana were sent by the Hanso foundation to continue Chang's work.

Lastly, I saw X-Men: The Last Stand on tv this weekend, just in time to see Ken Leung's face sprout a hundred quills. Nearly pissed my pants, screaming, "Miles' face exploded!"

Posted by: Patty O'Green at May 4, 2009 4:00 PM

Daniel apparently had some sort of line into the future, since he was knew about the upcoming Swan station incident and was trying (or at least appearing to try) to stop it. So, it is also possible that he knew about his impending death.

That is the only way I can justify to myself his erratic behavior this episode. If I knew I only had a few hours left to live, I'd probably act fairly crazy myself.

And, maybe Eloise does get caught in the incident, and ends up seeing the future much like Desmond did after the hatch implosion.

Posted by: Drake at May 4, 2009 4:13 PM

...all that changes is one's perception of these events as they experience them in the present...

This seems to be true if you pay attention to the previouslies portion of the shows. Each and every time they feature the dock scene (the one where Sun pulls the gun on Ben and Kate cries and Jack says that Ben is "with him"), it's slightly different according to whichever character they're featuring. For example - when Sayid gets fed up and leaves (only to get caught by Ilana), he first threatens Ben and Jack. Well, during "He's Our You," the previouslies have him only threatening Ben - it's just the way he remembers it.

Anyway, the Dharma Booth Video is a short video (seemingly shot by Farraday - you don't ever see him, but his voice is very clear and he has a conversation with Chang during the filming)of Pierre Chang instructing people in the future that something terrible is going to happen to the island and the Dharma Initiative, and that whoever shoudl find the video (30 years in the future) needs to re-establish the DI and somehow save everyone from the terrible thing that is about to happen. At the end, you can hear Farraday saying something like, "This is stupid, this is never going to work, what was I thinking?!"

Posted by: Kolby at May 4, 2009 4:13 PM

Drake - Eloise does have some knowledge of the future - remember when Desmond first encounters her she is trying to save a man from his eventual death? She explains that no matter what she does, the course will correct itself and people who are meant to die will in fact die in the end.

Perhaps she does turn some sort of fail safe key, a la Desmond?

Posted by: Kolby at May 4, 2009 4:17 PM

My theory from day one is that every single person who survived the 815 plane was on that island for a reason. They were supposed to work together as a team. But just like all humans, once they begin behaving in self-centered, selfish ways, the mission fell apart. They burned clues (the comic), shot people and ran off in 10 different directions.
I think the story will head in the direction of redemption and fulfilment. The only way to accomplish this is to prevent the first plane crash, recreate it and then work the mission out the way it was intended with every single person back on that plane including the dead. That's my theory. And I see evidence of it going that way.

Also, about Daniel's notebook. Surely a physicist who takes painstaking notes working on time-travel would have filled volumes and volumes of journals by the time he's Faraday's age. Seriously!

Posted by: Dixie at May 4, 2009 4:25 PM

And Eloise - has she also been time traveling? How did she know everything that was to come when Daniel was a boy?

Cindy, Mrs. Hawking is the one who acted as a guide for Desmond when he started seeing the future--or whatever he was doing. she clearly had visions of what was going to happen, which is why she said that you can change the timing and the method, but if someone is supposed to die, then they are going to die, you're just postponing the inevitible.

I just want to know how Daniel's last name came to be Farraday

elsie, he probably got his last name from his biological parents. i'm starting to think that Ellie got Daniel the way the Others seem to prefer to have children, by liberating them from their birth parents.

also, Daniel would have to have been born before 1977 if he was teaching at Oxford when Desmond went to see him in 199(6?9?) because no matter how young he was supposed to be when he got his PhD, he certainly didn't look like a teenager at his graduation--except for that hair. (if he was supposed to be a teenager then they really should've mentioned his age or hired a younger actor to play the part.)

Posted by: pq at May 4, 2009 4:31 PM

yeah, what Kolby said.

Posted by: pq at May 4, 2009 4:35 PM

And I'm convinced that Widmore wasn't the only one leaving the island regularly. It's obvious Daniel wasn't raised on the island, and I think the dayshe forced him to quit playing the piano may have been the day she shot him (in 1977). She seemed distraught over something, and Lost wouldn't have had her just crying for no reason.

Good theory. But, then, that would imply that the scenes of Daniel playing the piano are all indoors somewhere. The Others, on the other hand, seem to live in complete squalor, outdoors, and we know Ellie is on the island on the day she kills her son.

Posted by: scunning at May 4, 2009 4:40 PM

btw, has anyone written about where the rest of the Survivors are? Sawyer, et al were separated from them three years ago. Are we to think that Rose and the others died?

Posted by: scunning at May 4, 2009 4:42 PM

Daniel said that Chang/Kandl/Halliwax arrived at the Swan construction site "right on time". This implied that he knew exactly when Change was going to arrive. The only way he could know that is if he had lived it before. I wonder if his trip to the island, rallying the losties and causing chaos wasn't one of many trips he made on the same timelines.

And what about the sub? People use it to get to the island, but we also know that people who fly above the island and get raptured also time jump before they crash, and rockets fired from the freighter time jumped as well. maybe Faraday is in Ann Arbor several years in the future, and when he returns to the island he jumps back in time a year or two.

Posted by: eddie at May 4, 2009 5:04 PM

I, also, am distraught about the whereabouts of little Charlie.

My favourite part of the episode was the bit where, when Daniel was threatening the Others' camp with a gun, Richard Alpert came out to reason with him while still holding his coffee. Crazed gunman, sure, but why put down your coffee? Richard Alpert is the shit. By the way, does anyone know if there's any truth to the assertion that this week's episode will be Alpert-centric? If it is true, I just won't know what to do with myself.

Posted by: jkate at May 4, 2009 5:29 PM

At first, I was going to rip into Kolby for suggesting that Eloise could have killed Daniel that same day. But then I started to think about it. Let's say (for the sake of argument) that young Daniel was 9 years old when he is playing the piano, and the scene is taking place in 1977. That would make him 36 in 2004, when the freighter arrives on the island. That's pretty much a match for the character's age.

Since the purge didn't happen until 1992 or so, we can assume that the others didn't have access to the sub to get off the island, yet Widmore was kicked off by Ben for (among other things) having a child off-island. So there's some way out for the Others that can escape detection, and we know that Widmore at some point landed in Tanzania. That's a bit far from mother England, so I'm guessing there are multiple exit points, since it would be inconvenient as hell to travel to the outside world via Africa every single time.

So it's perfectly plausible that Hawking may have killed Daniel that day. Richard keeps telling him that Eloise "isn't here right now," which may be more of the truth than Daniel understands. She might not be on the island at all.

As for his last name, I figure Eloise probably changed his last name in hopes that Widmore wouldn't find him if he wasn't connected to either of them.

Posted by: Munkymack at May 4, 2009 5:40 PM

An all Alpert episode?! Even without the 41 minutes of eye candy that would be a great episode. Time to go check the ABC promo.

Posted by: katy at May 4, 2009 5:44 PM

Third best line: "I just got shot by a physicist!"

Posted by: pugalug at May 4, 2009 6:35 PM

If Daniel isn't dead, as several people have suggested, I think his salvation is somehow going to involve Desmond. The cryptic "Desmond Hume will be my Constant," from the end of the episode, The Constant, has never truly been fulfilled, unless you count Daniel's visiting Desmond at the hatch as his contact as a constant. Someone suggested that the two were brothers, but based on the information provided by Widmore, the two are already brothers-in-law, and if they actually are related by blood, then there's some creepy incest going on somewhere in the Desmond/Penny relationship.

Also, anyone else notice that Sayid has been M.I.A ever since putting a bullet in Baby Ben and running off into the jungle? Where the hell could he have been this whole time? He sure would have been useful in all the recent conflicts, but apparently he's been living solo in the jungle, which is certainly something the badass Iraqi is capable of.

Posted by: tripM at May 4, 2009 6:46 PM

I think the complete disappearance of Rose and Bernard might imply that's them in the cave.

As for Sayid, maybe he has gone to hang out with young Rousseau, thus creating another paradox of non-recognition.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 4, 2009 8:16 PM

The day after this episode aired, TV Guide confirmed that Daniel is really dead (whatever that means) and that Jeremy Davies was no longer a full time cast member.

Kolby, Lost Wiki says we don't know if the video is canon.

pq, I'm fully aware Eloise guided Desmond. That said, there was nothing to indicate she had "visions", which is why I am curious about her possibly time traveling herself. I was thinking that at whatever point she discovered Daniel's fate, she may have been trying to figure out how she could undo it. And that may have led to all her discoveries about how time travel worked, and the rules she explained to Desmond. Remember the dude who died, and how she explained to Des that no matter what was done to avert death, the person would still die? I wondered if she didn't make that discovery herself in an effort to save Daniel. And if that's true, she would seem as terrible a character as she did in The Variable.

Posted by: Cindy at May 4, 2009 8:20 PM

The more I think about Eloise, the more I feel like she has to have her own knowledge of time travel - not just knowledge that Daniel has somehow passed on to her. She may be as much a force to be reckoned with as Ben or Widmore.

Posted by: Cindy at May 4, 2009 8:24 PM

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Eloise was leaving the island regularly (we know that Richard, at least, had been coming and going with ease for years). I think the sub is a cover, or a more conventional option of travel for those on the island who aren't aware of the other exit options. There's no reason why there wouldn't be an exit in England or wherever Ellie was raising Daniel.

Posted by: Kolby at May 4, 2009 9:04 PM

Personally, I don't really find Hurley's ignorance all that bothersome in the recent episodes, especially the most recent "Like, Fonzie times?" As viewers, we're privy to just about all the information in the Lost universe, but Hurley's perspective as of late would be the perspective of a regular person, like most of us, trying to soak all this information is. Think of how pompous the rest of these characters must sound from his eyes. They go tearing through an almost impossible to follow time line, and when they briefly mention being in the 50's, Hurley miraculously comes up with a witty quip to clarify, and he's shot down like he's a oaf (a fact which isn't helped at all by his appearance.)

I guess what I'm trying to say is, we should lay off of Hugo "The Everyman" Reyes. I consider myself semi-well-educated, but if all my friends started ranting about traveling to-and-fro through time, I might have to stop them and take a moment to clarify some of the details. It's frustrating from a viewers standpoint, but I feel it's an awesome/vital part of the show. How awkward and unrealistic would it seem if all the characters just accepted this extremely strange scenario?

Posted by: tripM at May 4, 2009 9:17 PM

I love Hurley. He's great comic relief, he's the everyman of the show, and he's actually been the voice of reason a couple of times.

Posted by: Cindy at May 4, 2009 9:29 PM

whats up with sawyer just laying down like that...he used to be so f...ing bad-ass..ah the good old days!!!!Daniel Farraday will be missed if that was his curtain call...

Posted by: pasadenamike at May 4, 2009 10:29 PM

pasadenamike--> I agree, I was drowning in the man-amongst-boys sawyer that we saw for the first stage of the '77 Darma crew, but to say he laid down like that is a little excessive. We've become accustomed to seeing larger than life feats performed by these people, but the truth is, they're people. When three armed men point guns at a man (ok, Sawyer's a man amongst boys, but nevertheless, a man,) and his girlfriend (Juliet,) the person with three barrels pointing at them gets down on their goddamn knees. Hopefully, he has another plan, or someone unexpected will kick down the door and save the day, Lost-style.

And yes, Cindy, I'm not sure if [the actor who plays] Hurley will have much of a career after Lost, but if he doesn't, I will fully support the boxer named -

Hugo/Hurley "The Everyman" Reyes

Posted by: tripM at May 4, 2009 11:59 PM

sorry Cindy, i certainly meant no offense. i just assumed that Mrs. Hawking had the same power/condition that Desmond did. i also thought that her admission to Penny--that she didn't know what was going to happen, which seemed shocking to her--was further proof of my assumption. yes, i know what it means to assume =}

i actually think that someone in the Lostiverse must be from our future. that would explain why so many people seem so certain that our Losties must do what they're told--that it is fate/destiny. it could be Richard, since he seems to have regular visits from the future, but Locke, Ben, and Eloise must know the same person.

Posted by: pq at May 5, 2009 12:37 AM

I really hope I'm wrong, but I have a bad/funny feeling that Penny's little son "Charlie" could be later revealed to be Charles Widmore...that he'd be taken away & somehow end up on the island in early 1940s (Widmore is the age of someone born in 1936 or '37 - remember he was 17 when he met Locke back in 1954)
Imagine the Evelyn Mulwray type lines Penny would have to say upon learning of this: He's my son! (slap) He's my Father! (slap) He's my son He's my Father...He's my Son AND my Father!"

Personally, I think Mikhail (eyepatch guy) Bakunin should never have been killed off.

Posted by: oskar667 at May 5, 2009 1:06 AM

pq: Maybe Richard himself is from that future. Interesting how he always plays dumb at first when confronted by someone...making them state their case &c... as with Faraday (& w/ Sawyer in 1974) while pretending to not recognize them.
Richard could very well be the one who started the Others/Hostiles in the first place, constantly recruiting people from off island (remember in S3, how Bakunin said he answered a recruitment ad... not to mention how he found Juliet).
Also why did many 1954 Others have British accents?

Posted by: oskar667 at May 5, 2009 1:15 AM

If they do end up changing the past and preventing flight 815 from crashing and there series finale ends with everyone just deplaning in LA without ever having met I AM GOING TO BE SO PISSED.

Posted by: Rachel

THIS!...hopefully it won't happen tho

The thing that has intrigued me about this episode is: was Daniel misguided or not?

He clearly was wrong about changing things, as he got shot and probably caused Chang to evacuate the island, all as it should be

But why did he have such an issue with the four coming back because of his mother? Did he know they weren't supposed to come back? I don't see how he could as he knows little about the history of Dharma, so I'm inclined to think he was just misguided and bitter because of his mummy

But I keep wondering if the four (of the 'Six') are really not meant to be there and the island is changing it's own past...although they seem to be fitting in with the past quite nicely right now - they have left the question of whether 'whatever happened, actually happened' open, even if it doesn't make much sense and would lead us into Hurley's back to the future scenario

Also, was Daniel already born when Ellie shot her own (older) son? it's 1977 and he's a doctor running research at Oxford in 1996, only 19 years, and he had already graduated, so that's very young, even if he was a record breaker, the character was also cast as 'late thirties' in 2004, meaning he was probably at best born by 1970

I wonder where he was then

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Posted by: salawhite at May 5, 2009 9:52 AM

tripM-->I agree that Sawyer would just lay down when faced with Radlinski's gun, but Sawyer totally failed to control that situation. If you are holding a hostage in your closet you DO NOT let Radlinski in the door, and if you can't stop him from barging in you immediately lead him back outside under the "I want to keep this information between you and me" guise. He has effectively used that ploy many times over the years. It is kind of his go-to move.

Posted by: ed newman at May 5, 2009 9:55 AM

I really hated the idea of Daniel going back on his "you can't change anything" theory. I could wrap my brain around that, but not this "hey, maybe we can change some stuff after all!" theory. Then what makes Desmond special? What's to stop people from simply disappearing from the timeline once they start messing with it? No one currently alive seems to want to stop the crash from happening anyway. And if they do a reset-button ending...well, then I can't be held responsible for my actions. I will be pissed.

I also couldn't believe Penny leaves Charlie alone with a stranger. Why couldn't the kid come with her? Is she nuts? After all that's happened to her, you'd think she'd have a little healthy paranoia going.

I was also wondering just what WAS Daniel's destiny? What was his mom pushing him to actually accomplish? Was he supposed to come up with those equations that predict where the island will be? Was he just there to convey info to the survivors? 'Cause he didn't seem to do much, aside from convincing everyone he was nuts.

Well, I guess he "defused" the atom bomb. But then he wanted to blow it up again. And it seems to me that I see that solution a lot in sci-fi--time or technology goes wonky, and it somehow all gets fixed by blowing something up real good. How does throwing a nuclear bomb at an electromagnetic explosion improve the situation?

The Others struck me as particularly incompetent this week. Daniel just strolls into their midst, not even trying to be stealthy, and no one notices.

And waayyyy to go, Kate and Jack, for making a bad situation so, SO much worse.

Posted by: DeadBessie at May 5, 2009 10:21 AM

No offense taken at all pq.

Bessie, I agree that it's unclear at this point what Daniel was supposed to accomplish. I do think he discovered quite a bit about time travel and likely all sorts of equations that have scientific importance. Perhaps his destiny is yet to be revealed - was he the catalyst for the Incident? And even though the incident has been made to sound ominous, perhaps it is necessary to some future event?

I wonder if now that Jack is hell bent on reversing the crash based on nothing but his gut and emotion, will Locke then be leading another group in an entirely different direction based on something more specific?

Posted by: Cindy at May 5, 2009 10:29 AM

I really hated the idea of Daniel going back on his "you can't change anything" theory. I could wrap my brain around that, but not this "hey, maybe we can change some stuff after all!" theory. Then what makes Desmond special?

I don't necessarily think it's a bad idea. Lost has always been about fate vs. free will and how intertwined and gray the two are. I think they want to show that even if something is fated, you can still effect the results of the outcome and swing them to your advantage. For example, in season 3 Desmond couldn't change the fact that Charlie was going to die but he could change what his death accomplished. If Charlie had died saving Claire from drowning or from the lightning bolt it wouldn't have served any greater purpose. But because of Desmond's ability he was able to see that Charlie dying while repairing the signal in the Looking Glass station would lead to their eventual rescue. I think that makes people like Desmond, Eloise, and possibly Daniel, extremely special.

Posted by: jM at May 5, 2009 11:19 AM

Tarquin, I'm not sure why you assume Daniel knows "little of Dharma history", seeing as how he has spent three years working in the Ann Arbor facility.I would imagine he knows more than some of the Island inhabitants, as he was in on research and development.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at May 5, 2009 11:27 AM

I'm not sure, given our limited knowledge of space/time continuums, etc., that anything regarding time travel isn't fair game in this show. They've taken liberties with characters crossing paths, characters influencing each other to affect outcomes later, so I've come to believe that maybe they're all simply living their actual lives, just in random order. Remember Kurt Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse Five"? The character in that book, Billy Pilgrim, was in some ways a time traveler much like the characters in Lost. But rather than let it affect his decisions, or to try and change events, Pilgrim simply accepted it all as his life...including the moment he would die. I think this season of Lost has certainly been the most thought provoking of them all, and it makes me look forward to see how the writers are going to wrap it all up at the end.

Posted by: Tim Detore at May 5, 2009 12:18 PM

Interesting thing: the child actor portraying Charlie Hume is credited as "Young Charlie" on IMDB. The child actor who played Charlie Pace in Charlie's flashback episode was credited as...wait for it..Young Charlie: LOST Cast on IMDB

There's a theory (I don't think it was mentioned here) that Penny and Desmond are the "Adam & Eve" that were found. At that point, the theories diverge...one being the one that we've been talking about, that Charlie Hume is Widmore, and the other being that he is Charlie Pace. Age-wise, if Penny, Desmond and Charlie go back to 1977, that makes him the right age to be Charlie Pace.

Posted by: Munkymack at May 5, 2009 2:01 PM

did daniel really die? he looked like he was on his way out but did he really die for sure? please god no!

Posted by: kb at May 5, 2009 5:02 PM

Patty

What I meant was he knows little of what happened at Dharma (or on the island) in the past, ie. what Jack, Sawyer and co would get up to in 1977, and probably couldn't know if it was right that they were there

the knowledge he would've gained from being at dharma in the 70s wouldn't have helped him know what was about to him in his future

Posted by: Tarquin at May 6, 2009 7:47 AM

I love Lost... I still do... I can't wait for this weeks episode... I don't care how off the wall it gets... It will not stop me from seeing the end and finding out wtf is going on lol.

Posted by: Meimi132 at May 6, 2009 5:51 PM












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