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“Lost: The Shape of Things to Come” (S4/E9) Recap / Daniel Carlson

TV Reviews | April 28, 2008 | Comments (82)


So, apparently Ben can teleport.

Sure, there are other explanations for how he wound up in the middle of the desert wearing a parka at the beginning of “The Shape of Things to Come,” the ninth episode of the fourth season of “Lost,” but given the show’s track record of defying the laws of physics, I wouldn’t know where to begin. Maybe Ben got sucked into a wormhole or entered one willingly; maybe somebody was trying to wish him into a cornfield and instead dropped him in the Sahara. Whatever the reason, it was a great and weird opening to another consistently pleasing episode. There’s no denying that this is the season where “Lost” got its mojo back, returning to the frenetic drive of its first year while turning every expectation for the series on its ear. “The Shape of Things to Come” is another of the show’s increasingly enjoyable flashforwards, and it fills in several key gaps in the story even as it sets up potentially huge showdowns in the future. But “Lost” is a mosaic, and the final picture won’t be evident until the series ends.

The episode opens with Kate quasi-stripping on the beach so she can, I don’t know, bathe her shoulders. It’s not really clear. She sees Jack walk by, and they exchange a little wave that hints at the romance Jack’s going to try to reestablish once they get off the island, and probably before then, too. She follows him to one of the tents and finds him popping some antibiotics for what he says is a “stomach bug.” Kate’s worried about why Sayid and Desmond haven’t come back from the boat yet, since she doesn’t know they’ve been busy listening to Michael’s backstory. Jack says they’re probably fine, just delayed by the engine repairs, and that he’s not really worried: “My gut says we’re getting off this island.” Jack and Kate’s (very) mild flirtations are interrupted by Vincent’s barks and Bernard’s shouts for help from the shoreline. They run down to the water and find Bernard yelling and trying to retrieve a body that’s washed up. They all lift the corpse out of the sea and carry him up a few feet, where they drop him and roll him over to see who he is: It’s Ray, the doctor from the freighter, and his throat’s been slit. By this time, Jack and the rest have been joined by Daniel, Charlotte, and Juliet, and Jack can see from Daniel’s terrible poker face that he recognized the body. Daniel admits that it’s the doctor, and doesn’t look to happy about it.

The action then shifts to the Barracks, where Hurley, Sawyer, and Locke are having an intense conversation in close-ups about how they’re all gonna die and the bad decisions are each theirs to make. They’re clearly not in any real trouble, since nothing’s been established for them to be doing yet in the episode, but it’s still a cute transition very much in the tone of co-writer Brian K. Vaughan, who shares credit on this episode with Drew Goddard. Vaughan’s comics are big on fakeout transitions that turn out to be jokey, and while it’s somehow really predictable that the three men are playing Risk and not in actual danger, it’s still a cute moment. Hurley maintains that “Australia’s the key to the whole game,” a nice nod to his own character’s obsessions.

Out in the woods, Alex — who’s still reeling from seeing her mom and her boyfriend gunned down — is led blindfolded by men with machine guns to the sonic fence, where she’s forced to enter the code that deactivates the security measures. She enters 1623, which starts ringing the phone back in Locke’s house where he and the boys are engaging in war games. Locke, puzzled, picks up the phone and hears a recorded voice repeating, “Code 14-J.” Hurley asks who’s calling, and Locke deadpans, “I think it’s for Ben.” Ben is back in his room playing the piano and looking generally creepy when Sawyer and Locke come in and ask him to explain what Code 14-J means. Ben loses his cool and retrieves a shotgun from the piano bench before telling Locke and Sawyer that they’ll all have to leave the camp right away. Locke asks what’s happening, but Ben just says, “They’re here.”

Flashforward: Ben shows up in the Sahara Desert wearing a Dharma-branded parka with the name “Hallifax” on the left breast, and he’s also got a wound on his right arm. There are no footprints leading to his position; he’s just there. Ben, disoriented from traveling through space and probably time, pukes onto the sand and stands up. A pair of Bedouins ride up and level their guns at Ben, who pleads for safety in a variety of languages before one of them makes the mistake of searching Ben and finding a collapsible club in his pocket. Ben clubs the man in the face, whips him around, and uses his gun to kill the second rider before turning back around and hitting the downed man with the butt of the rifle. This is easily the coolest thing Ben has ever done. Ben ties off the wound on his arm, saddles up, and rides off.

Back at the Barracks, Ben is frantically leading Sawyer and Locke over at Ben’s old house so they can hole up and defend themselves from whoever’s on the way. Ben explains that Code 14-J is a distress call that means one of his people has been captured. Sawyer says they can’t start barricading themselves in the house without everyone else, but Ben says he already sent Alex, Karl, and Rousseau away to the Temple. Sawyer says he still needs to get Claire, and when Ben complains that there’s no time, Sawyer just says, “I’ll make time.” Ben says that the only way for Locke to survive the impending attack is to stay close to Ben, since the people who are heading toward the camp don’t want to risk Ben getting hurt.

Down at the beach, Jack is looking pretty terrible but isn’t about to let the whole dead guy issue blow over. Daniel says the doctor was fine the last time he saw him, but when Jack asks when that was, Daniel just shrugs and mutters, ” ‘When’ is kind of a relative term.” Jack’s not at all happy with this answer, and Charlotte uses the one line she’ll get this episode to protest her and Daniel’s innocence. Juliet asks if the satellite phone is fixed, but Daniel says the microphone is busted and at best they’d just be able to broadcast “beeps and boops.” Bernard says that sounds like enough to still be able to telegraph the freighter, which gives Jack an idea he won’t reveal until later. Kate leads Daniel off to comb some of the plane’s wreckage for repair material while Jack pulls Bernard aside to talk privately.

Meanwhile, Ben and Locke are busy stacking furniture in front of their door and trying to fortify the house. Hurley asks how Sawyer’s supposed to get back in, and Ben says he’s not. Outside, Sawyer jogs over to another house and asks some dude carrying sticks —maybe firewood, but they live in houses and it’s summer, so whatever — if he knows where Claire is. The guy doesn’t get out more than a couple of confused sentences before shots ring out and he goes down. Then more people come out to see what happens, and they get shot, too. Sawyer flips over a wooden picnic table and takes cover behind it, because apparently gunfire can be as easily deflected on Hell Island as in “Call of Duty.” Sawyer also takes improbable cover behind a small white picket fence; this man is probably unkillable. Sawyer’s almost to Claire’s house when a rocket launcher fires and the whole home goes up in a sizable explosion, Sawyer yelling Claire’s name in panic.

Second flashforward: Ben is ambling through the streets of Tunisia, where he checks into a hotel using the name Dean Moriarty and says he’s a “preferred guest.” The woman checks her records and apparently sees something worrisome, like maybe Ben is a bad tipper or kills goats or something, because she’s just slightly rattled when she hands him back his passport. Ben asks for the date, and the clerk tells him it’s October 24. But then he clarifies by making sure it’s 2005, to which the clerk confusedly agrees. This is easily the dumbest thing Ben has done, and it’s patently against his character and also disappointing that Vaughan could have been responsible for it. Ben is brilliant and calculating, able to travel the world and constantly talk himself out of being killed and, apparently, transmit his body through the air on a subatomic level. And he couldn’t pick up a newspaper to figure out the year? Even Marty McFly knew how to do that, and that kid was a slacker just like his old man. Anyway: Ben walks away from the desk and sees a news report with Sayid surrounded by paparazzi. Sayid turns to the cameras and says, “I just want to bury my wife, please,” before climbing into the car. It’s a cool moment because Nadia pretty much had to die or at least be unreachable, since Sayid doesn’t seem too attached to her when he’s killing men for Ben in this season’s “The Economist.” Still, it hits hard that she’s going to die.

Back on the island, Hurley is keeping an eye out for Sawyer and Claire while Locke and Ben keep stacking furniture. He sees the smoking ruin outside and asks if it’s Claire’s house, but Locke’s too busy listening to Ben describe the “shock and awe” tactics of their attackers to hear him. Locke orders Hurley to take Aaron to the back room for safety and then asks Ben why he (Locke) needs to survive this. Ben says that the only person who can help them now is Jacob, and Ben and Locke have to go see him together. Locke says that he doesn’t know where Jacob’s cabin is, but Ben reminds him that Hurley does. Outside, Sawyer digs through the wreckage and finds Claire bloodied but alive. She mistakes him for Charlie at first, and Sawyer picks her up and carries her back to Ben’s house. Ben threatens to shoot Hurley if he moves the blockade from the door, so Hurley chucks a footstool through the window so that Sawyer and Claire can crawl in. Sawyer grabs a gun and suggests that they just turn Ben over, but then the doorbell rings. Sawyer and Locke check through the window to see who’s there, then move the blockade and let in Miles, who still looks like a douchebag. Miles hands them a radio and says it’s from the people who let him out, and that they want to talk.

Third flashforward: An American military truck in Tikrit, Iraq, rides ahead of a funeral procession of men carrying a plain wooden casket on their shoulders. Ben pulls up in a car and darts into a nearby building, where he climbs to the roof and pulls out a camera and attaches a telephoto lens. He takes a few shots of a bald, imposing man across the street drinking coffee, then shifts his attention to the funeral train. One of the men carrying the casket is Sayid, who looks up and sees Ben right as the photo is snapped. Ben hustles to get out, but Sayid catches him in the alley, pummeling what he first thinks is just another member of the press. But when Sayid sees it’s Ben, he stops and backs away. Ben says he’s there to find the man who murdered Sayid’s wife, and that he left the island by taking Desmond’s boat to Fiji and chartering a plane. (Not true, but easier to explain than teleportation.) Ben goes on to tell Sayid that one of the men watching the procession is employed by Charles Widmore, then shows Sayid a photo of the bald man taken, according to Ben, at a traffic light at the corner of La Brea and Santa Monica. I can only assume the bald man was going to Target or Best Buy, but still, he should be careful; West Hollywood is a killer with those on traffic-light cameras, and they’ll get you if you’re not careful. Sayid says that the intersection Ben mentioned is three blocks from where Nadia was killed, then asks why Widmore’s people would want to kill Nadia. Ben says, “I don’t know, but they did.”

Back at the Barracks, Miles tells Locke there are probably half a dozen men in the “security” team that’s outside. Miles holds out the radio to Ben, who initially refuses to talk, but Miles says that the men have taken Alex hostage. Ben takes the radio and starts talking with Keamy, the burly psycho from the freighter. Ben heads to the window so the men can see each other, and Keamy tells Ben to come out and surrender. Ben rattles off Keamy’s bio, citing the man’s mercenary work as proof that he will probably kill Locke at al. once Ben gives himself up. Keamy raises the stakes by calling out Alex and pushing her to her knees in front of him, threatening to kill the girl if Ben doesn’t give up. Alex sobs into the radio a heartbreaking, “Please, daddy,” but Ben doesn’t move. Keamy counts down from 10, and Ben starts to break, exclaiming that Alex isn’t his daughter anyway, that he stole her from Rousseau as an infant. “She’s a pawn, nothing more,” he says, but Keamy calls his bluff: He shoots her dead, gives Ben a calm look, and stalks away.

Damn. Even Ben didn’t see that one coming. He stares in shock out the window at Alex’s lifeless body while Sawyer and Locke argue about what to do next. Ben finally manages an almost incredulous whisper: “He changed the rules.” Before he can be stopped, Ben ducks into a secret passage behind a bookcase and slides the heavy door closed. Sawyer bangs on the door to no avail. Inside, Ben pulls back a panel of wall to reveal an old stone door marked with some kind of ancient runes, through which he disappears.

Fourth flashforward: Ben is still in Tikrit, hanging out at a café and trying to keep a discreet eye on the bald man, Bakir. Bakir gets up from his table and blends into the crowded marketplace, so Ben follows. But around a blind corner, Bakir gets the drop on Ben, demanding to know who he is and why he’s following Bakir. Ben tells Bakir his name, which Bakir instantly recognizes, and then adds that he wants Bakir to deliver a message to Widmore. Before he can say anything else, a silenced pistol is fired and Bakir goes down, revealing Sayid behind him, his luscious man-locks flowing in the breeze. Sayid empties his clip into the body, and after a moment, Ben walks away. Sayid tries to stop him, but Ben tells him to go home and move on. “Once you let your grief become anger, it will never go away. I speak from experience,” Ben says. But Sayid protests that he spent the last eight years of his life trying to get home to the woman he just buried, and as such, Ben’s war is now his own. “Benjamin, who’s next?” Sayid says. “I’ll be in touch,” Ben says, and as he walks away, he starts to smile. It’s great to get this vital little piece of backstory that illuminates the context in which Sayid would stoop to working with, and eventually for, Ben in a crusade against Widmore. So, was Elsa, the blonde Sayid murdered in “The Economist,” also working for Widmore?

Back at the Barracks, Sawyer is continuing to pound on the blast door in hopes that Ben will open it; it’s a dumb plan, but then, it took him a while to figure out the fish biscuit machine. Claire staggers in, looking bleary, and Sawyer asks how she’s doing. Claire says she’s “a bit wobbly, but I’ll live.” At this, Miles — who’s also a psyhic, as well as a douchebag — says, “I wouldn’t be too sure about that.” But no one hears his prediction of doom because at that moment Ben emerges from the secret room, his face and clothes streaked with dirt. Ben ignores Sawyer’s demand for answers and tells everyone that they will need to soon leave the house and run as fast as possible toward the trees and away from Keamy’s team. The house starts to shake like a train is passing through it, and Ben rushes to the window to see the smoke monster pouring into the encampment like the tenth plague. Everyone darts outside to see the monster swirling and groaning through the nearby woods, and beneath the monster’s sounds can be heard the screams and gunfire of the commandos. “Did you just call that thing?” Hurley shouts at Ben. One of the soldiers makes a break for it, but the smoke monster reaches out a tentacle and sucks him right back into the carnage. Ben sends the others off while he staggers over to Alex, still lying in the lawn. While the storm rages behind him, Ben kneels and weeps over his adopted daughter.

Finally, the beach folks get some more action. While Ben has been busy avenging Alex by summoning the inky demon of death, Daniel’s been working on rigging up the sat phone to talk to the freighter in Morse code. He taps out the message, “What happened to the doctor?” The reply is a flurry of dots and dashes, and Daniel says the reply didn’t say much about the doctor but did indicate that Sayid and Desmond would be arriving on the helicopter in the morning. Jack turns to Bernard for confirmation, but Bernard calls shenanigans on Daniel. Bernard tells the group that the boat’s reply was actually, “What are you talking about? The doctor is fine.” Daniel has the balls to look a little annoyed that Bernard knows Morse code, and Jack pounces on him and demands to know the truth about whether the boat was ever going to rescue the castaways. Daniel, finally defeated, just says, “No.” Jack, spirit broken and looking like he’s in no small amount of physical pain from whatever’s in his system, doubles over before righting himself and staggering away. I don’t know what’s wrong with his body, but the interesting twist of the flashforwards is that by confirming that Jack will indeed live to escape the island and flirt with Kate in a parking garage, the writers can put him through all sorts of hell on the island, knowing that he has to make it out. He can get sick to the point of death, and all kinds of things can go wrong, but he’s got to survive.

Out in the jungle, Locke breaks out the torches as Ben catches up to the group. Locke says he’s sorry about Alex, but that Ben still lied when he claimed to be ignorant of what the smoke monster was. Ben offers an awesome non-apology by telling Locke he can ask Jacob all about it at the cabin. Sawyer’s totally lost as to who Jacob is, and decides to bail and take Hurley and Claire back to the beach. Miles opts to go, too. Locke raises his gun and tells Sawyer that Hurley has to stay with them, and Sawyer draws his own gun and tells Locke that Hurley’s going to the beach. Hurley ends the standoff by agreeing to go with Locke and Ben, but not before Sawyer can threaten Locke that he’ll kill him if Hurley gets hurt. Seriously, when are Sawyer and Hurley gonna do a buddy movie? Sawyer, Claire, and Miles head for the beach, and Hurley follows Ben and Locke to look for Jacob’s ghost cabin.

Final flashforward: Ben’s in London, getting out of a cab and rolling up to a swank apartment building. He gives the doorman a fake story about seeing friends in the building, readying his kickass club, but the doorman just lets him up. Ben picks the lock on the elevator’s control panel and rides the car up to the penthouse. He walks into the darkened bedroom and finds a man sleeping there: It’s Widmore. Ben and Widmore have the kind of playful hate-banter you’d expect from a confrontation of supervillains, but what’s interesting is that when Widmore asks if Ben’s going to kill him, Ben replies, “We both know I can’t do that.” This has got to be related to those rules Ben mentioned earlier that Widmore presumably broke by killing Alex, or at least by having Keamy do it. Widmore tells Ben that Alex’s death is Ben’s own fault, adding, “I know who you are, boy. What you are. I know that everything you have you took from me.” Widmore asks Ben what he’s doing there if he won’t kill him, and Ben replies that he’s going to kill Widmore’s daughter, Penny. Ben adds that Penny’s death will put Ben’s grief in perspective for Widmore and make the old man wish he “hadn’t changed the rules.” Widmore says Ben will never Penny, and Ben says Widmore will never find the island. With that, “the hunt is on,” and Ben walks out into the night.

It’s solid episodes like this one that make it worth getting through the series’ torturous second season. It’s almost like “Lost” had to go a little crazy and get the kinks out of its system before it could get good again, and now it’s turning out reliable episodes that forward the plot, deepen the mysteries, and fill in the gaps. “The Shape of Things to Come” was just that: A good look at where the show is going, and how it plans to get there.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a low-level employee at a Hollywood industry magazine. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.


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Comments

I still kinda like Miles. Yes, he's a douchebag, but at least he's up-front about it. Unlike all the backstabbing and whatnot from various others.

I wanna know why Ben can't kill Widmore. Will it cause a rip in time or whatever? 'Sup with that? Anyone got any theories?

Posted by: Slash at April 28, 2008 1:08 PM

Great Episode, great recap; Ben's episodes are my favorites; he has become much more interesting than the original cast (even Locke, who was becoming closer to his second season housewife-persona). Sadly, next episode is about Jack; I know it can't be as bad as Stranger in a Strange Land, but if it focuses on his addiction and stomachache, I'll feel dissapointed.

Posted by: Radlum at April 28, 2008 1:18 PM

Even Marty McFly knew how to do that, and that kid was a slacker just like his old man.

Awesome.

Posted by: lucy at April 28, 2008 1:20 PM

I am so blown away I barely know who's side I'm on any more. This show has so many threads and questions hanging that I'm truly wondering how they'll tie all of them up in the time they have left.

I still do not trust Ben. I think he was lying to Sayid about everything--who's responsible for his wife's death, who faked the plane on the ocean floor, everything. I believe that Ben's lie about how he got off the island lays the groundwork for the rest of his deceit.

I love where Sawyer's character is going. He's becoming Claire's protector. And when he threatened Locke over Hurley's safety--"one curly hair on his head"--I got all warm.

Also, I am LOVING the titles you are giving these recaps.

Posted by: Jerce at April 28, 2008 1:28 PM

i can never manage to catch lost on TV, and my damn computer is way too lame to handle the awesomeness of the online episodes. these reviews are getting me through until the dvd comes out.

Posted by: girsch at April 28, 2008 1:32 PM

When Keamy killed Alex, I turned to Mr. Kolby and said, "Millions of people just instantly started rooting for Ben." That's all it took. Now I want bad, bad things to happen to Widmore and the people on the freighter. Except for Penny, because if she and Desmond don't end up together, shit is going to hit the fan.

Also, this?

this man is probably unkillable

Better be true.

Posted by: Kolby at April 28, 2008 1:34 PM

Sawyer and Locke check through the window to see who's there, then move the blockade and let in Miles, who still looks like a douchebag.

Lovely. Though I don't mind him much-- always looking out for #1, which you have to respect on this island. Especially the way he proclaims he'll be sticking with the losties after seeing his side get trucked by the smoke monster.

Jerce, I completely agree that Ben set that mess up to get Sayid-- his weasly smirk after Sayid asked who would be next was the confirmation in my mind. Also love the Hurley + Sawyer = BFF turn. Sawyer's getting soft, but only a little I hope.

Also, am I the only one who found that gunshot scene comical? Character of no consequence talks to Sawyer and gets shot, then more nameless characters pop out the door one by one to meet the same fate? It was like an assembly line of blind murder.

Posted by: artificialsweet5 at April 28, 2008 1:34 PM

Ok, question:
Then who was the dead floating guy w/ the slit throat?

I thought this episode was pretty awesome. Alex's death brought back the good 'ole days of Lost for me. Unexpected, but not impossible.

So, we only have a few more epi's left right? This Thursday, and then I heard the finale is 3 hours but they had to split it up b/c stupid Grey's and Ugly Betty are having their finales on May 15th, so the first hour of the finale for Lost is May 8th, then the last two hours are two weeks later on May 22nd.

Just like Grey's Anatomy to poop right in my bowl of cornflakes!

Posted by: Helcat at April 28, 2008 1:34 PM

Is it possible that Widmore and Ben are eachother's constants?
Also, if they have this rivalry thing, how does Sun's father fit into the mix?

Posted by: K McFrizzle at April 28, 2008 1:34 PM

I don't know what I would do without these reviews. Everytime I read them I realize I didn't pay enough attention to this week's episode, and my inability to link certain aspects to pass episodes.

how good would a Sawyer and Hurley movie be? Hurley (during his multi-millionaire status) still living in a mansion with Sawyer in the guest house... *insert own hilarity here*

Posted by: Colin at April 28, 2008 1:36 PM

OK, so a few things...

Didn't we already know Ben could teleport aka time-travel? I mean, if Ben has been time-traveling, doesn't that involve teleportation? I suppose that we don't know for sure which was happening during any of Ben's flashes. One thing that I did notice (second viewing so hubby could watch) was the changing of the *whoosh*. I don't know about the other flash-forward episodes, but during this one I noticed the whoosh was after the flashes in all but the last flash (Ben's visit to Widmore). That whoosh occurred before the flash - has to be some significance to that. Damn, now I've really gone too far into TV-land.

Next up, I can't say that I see the big deal about Ben asking the clerk the date. It was the fastest way for him to confirm that he was in the right time period - leading me to believe he was time-traveling rather than just teleporting. I think Ben only has so much control over how exact his landing is. Could he have looked at a newspaper? Sure, but why not just ask the clerk and find out quickly?

Alex's death marked one of the few times I've felt for Ben, and got chills. Kudos once again to Michael Emerson.

Why does Ben need Hurley to find the cabin? Ben has previously led Locke to the cabin himself. And if he doesn't need Hurley for that reason, what is the reason he wants him along? Why doesn't Locke question Ben's need for Hurley to find the cabin?

And finally, what did Ben do to *release* Smokey, if in fact he did? Ben came back from his magic room covered in ash. There has been much speculation that the ash surrounding the cabin somehow kept Jacob inside. Now it seems the ash also has something to do with getting Smokey on the job. Maybe Smokey is a manifestation of Jacob?

I need therapy for this show.

Posted by: No-troll Cindy at April 28, 2008 1:36 PM

K McFrizzle:
Shoot! Remind me about Sun's father??? I don't remember his being an important puzzle piece. So many details, I'm brain fried!!

Posted by: Helcat at April 28, 2008 1:38 PM

Helcat the dead guy was the freighter doctor.

Posted by: No-troll Cindy at April 28, 2008 1:39 PM

As someone who has never seen more than a few minutes of the first season of Lost, I was still under the impression that it was a show more or less about a group of people shipwrecked on an island. And there may or may not have been a monster.

With that as my understanding of the premise of the show, this recap sounds absolutely, balls-out batshit crazy. And Awesome.

I can only assume that starting from S1E1 is mandatory? Netflix, here we come. As if I haven't abused the poor thing enough by powering through five seasons of West Wing inside of three months... Christ! I need a life.

Posted by: jSwift at April 28, 2008 1:41 PM

No-Troll:
But I thought through Morse code the boat people said the doc was fine (signalling that Daniel lied when he said the dead floater was the doc). I swear this show confuses me more and more each episode!!

Posted by: Helcat at April 28, 2008 1:42 PM

Helcat:
Daniel lied about what the message he received actually said, and that's why Jack got all up in his grill. The floater was indeed the Dr., and he looked like he'd been in the water a while. I'm thinking this has to do with the time-shift that happens between the island and the rest of the world.

Posted by: G-Dub at April 28, 2008 1:53 PM

Its been postulated elsewhere that Widmore is Ben's "constant".

Posted by: Enricio Pallazo at April 28, 2008 1:53 PM

I'm guessing Jack has some dilemma(appendix, missing kidney, shrinking balls, tape worm monster, etc.) where someone will have to perform surgery on him. Sadly, it won't add much suspense since we know he inevitably lives - though it could be full of comedy given the right person performing the surgery... Sawyer?

Posted by: Kizer at April 28, 2008 1:56 PM

Truly amazing episode. It was great to have them come back from the break with a bang.

I am a HUGE Ben fan right now. I just can't say enough about how great an actor Michael Emerson is.

There's a guy in a class of mine this term who has, what I refer to in my head as, Sayid hair. I have to stiffle a chuckle whenever he walks in the room and I see his "luscious man-locks" : )

Posted by: katy at April 28, 2008 1:57 PM

Helcat, the corpse on the beach was DEFINITELY the doctor from the boat.

I had to watch this ep originally on a crappy TV (hotel room) and the reception was so bad that at first I thought the corpse was Locke. So I paid rapt attention during my second viewing (on my wonderful 56" HD flat screen, Thank You Jeebus for technology; I love the 21st Century) and it was definitely the creepy doctor from the boat who had scenes with Sayid and Desmond et al.

But when they contact the boat, the doctor is fine. So that means that the Boat People are lying for some reason; or the boat is on a different time line from the island (it's in at least the recent past); or else there are parallel universes, or...

...

Brain. Hurt. Ow.

Posted by: Jerce at April 28, 2008 2:00 PM

Is it possible that Widmore and Ben are eachother's constants?

Oooh, I like that!

Posted by: katy at April 28, 2008 2:00 PM

Helcat, as others have been explaining, that was a b.s. message from the freighter people.

Posted by: Cindy at April 28, 2008 2:03 PM

I'd like to say two things:

First - Let's just all admit that Keamy beat out Miles for the Douchebag of the Year Award.

Second - Honestly, that major deathstrike at the beginning was the coolest thing Ben has ever done but then I think we all need to admit, again, that reading morse code was probably the coolest thing Bernard has ever done. All he ever seems to do in dispense old man wisdom.

Posted by: citizen_cris at April 28, 2008 2:12 PM

Ok I am confused. Because now we know that the future that we are seeing is in 2005??? Am I getting that right? Because when Ben asked the clerk the date that was when he saw Sayid as one of the Oceanic Six? Just help me get some clarification PLEASE! God I love this show. I didn't even think that he was time traveling. I have no idea why I didn't think that because anything goes on Lost.

Posted by: lyricalcatt at April 28, 2008 2:18 PM

Seriously, I live for these damn recaps, despite DVRing and rewatching the episodes multiple times. I loved Sawyer as the hero/protector, but I agree, he needs to keep his edge and not get too soft (or hook up with Claire, that would annoy me for some reason). Artificalsweet5 - I also was very irritated and amused by the shootout scene. Although I understand the need to kill to emphasize the dangerous situation as well as the inability to kill too many primary characters (we've already lost a few), it irritates me when they pull the 'oh, here's several more expendable characters; oops, they're gone, sorry!' shit. I mean, shouldn't we have at least met everyone by now? How many more hidden characters might there be? It makes me very anxious, I might hyperventilate.
Regarding Notroll Cindy's comments, I think the point is that Ben's giving something away by asking some random person about the date. If someone walked up to me and asked me the year, I would remember the encounter and would be able to describe the exchange as well as the person to anyone who asked. If he looked at a newspaper, no one would be aware that he didn't know 'when' he was. As for the cabin issue, I can't remember the episode or if there was an explanation yet, but for some reason Ben and Locke are currently unable to find the cabin. Perhaps someone who understands it could explain?

Posted by: iheartlasagne at April 28, 2008 2:21 PM

As for the freighter doctor, the freighters are just as in the dark as the Losties (apparently). What they actually said (as decoded by Bernard NOT Faraday, who was lying) was something along the lines of 'What are you talking about? The doctor is fine!' So either the doctor really is 'fine' in 'freighter time' or they're lying. I tend to believe the former and the doctor's death just hasn't happened yet in 'freighter time'.

Posted by: birdgal at April 28, 2008 2:22 PM

iheartlasagne, I get your point, but I'm not sure why Ben would give a crap if the desk clerk remembers him. Widmore and his gang know Ben is able to get around off-island - Widmore didn't seem the least big surprised to see Ben. And even though we've seen Ben trying to be undercover at times, he doesn't mind identifying himself to people either.

The cabin does seem to be a moving object, but it doesn't immediately make sense that Hurley would be showing the boys the way. There has to be more to that story in an upcoming episode.

Posted by: Cindy at April 28, 2008 2:30 PM

lyricalcatt - I'm not sure if this is what you're asking, but in the Lost time line the future is 2005, because it's still 2004 on the island. They crashed in September of 2004, and the Desmond/constant episode took place on Christmas of the same year. Technically it could be 2005 for the islanders, but only just so.

Posted by: katy at April 28, 2008 2:41 PM


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Posted by: leo at April 28, 2008 2:46 PM

Katy: Thank you. I must have missed that. I really need to watch these eps more than once.

Posted by: lyricalcatt at April 28, 2008 2:47 PM

Cindy - that's true, I suppose I didn't see it that way. I wish I could explain the inability to find Jacob thing, I think it may be yet to be explained. Or I just missed it at some point.

Posted by: iheartlasagne at April 28, 2008 2:47 PM

Thank you so much Mr. Spambot; I've been looking for just such a place!

Posted by: Cindy at April 28, 2008 2:53 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the island is behind the real world, time-wise, as evidenced by the experiment that Daniel performed earlier this year with the item launched from the freighter arriving to the island 35 minutes (or so) later than the freighter indicated it landed. If that's true, then the freighter has to be lying about the condition of the doctor. Unless, of course, the time difference fluctuates, in which case I'm lost.

Still, great episode and recap.

Posted by: Liquid Swords at April 28, 2008 3:00 PM

Am I the only one who wasn't really all that sad to see Alex die? I mean, I know she had a crap life and all, but damn, she was annoying. She served no real purpose, held Ben back, yada yada. Now at least she has given his anger a focal point. It was a pretty cold hearted thing to do, but really, it wasn't like when Charlie died, ya know?

Posted by: dammitjanet at April 28, 2008 3:00 PM

Ben clubs the man in the face, whips him around, and uses his gun to kill the second rider before turning back around and hitting the downed man with the butt of the rifle. This is easily the coolest thing Ben has ever done.


Well, except for all that teleporting and time-traveling....

Posted by: Steve at April 28, 2008 3:02 PM

Great recap, great episode.

However...Ben's Dharma jacket says Halliwax, not Hallifax, in a nod to the vaguely creepy guy in the Dharma videos.

Posted by: oggi at April 28, 2008 3:10 PM

Anyone who enjoys RISK enjoyed that opening scene with Locke, Hugo, and Sawyer.

And of course Locke convinces them to let him have Australia. It's the best continent to have at the start of the game! 2 armies per turn and its easily defended by placing a large force in Siam!

Posted by: Brett at April 28, 2008 3:19 PM

"Also, am I the only one who found that gunshot scene comical?"

Posted by artificialsweet5

Nope, you're not. What I found hilarious was that Sawyer shouted "GET INSIDE!" twice, yet each time someone came dashing out and was instantly killed. Honestly, who runs towards the sound of gunfire? Especially with someone yelling to take cover?

I almost liked Miles in this episode. He seemed as baffled as everyone else for a change. And is it me or does Ben look positively sweet and innocent with his hair slicked back (in the hotel scene), rather than sticking up like so many little devil horns?

Could it be that Ben can't kill Widmore for the same reason Michael can't die? That the island won't "allow" it? I also found Ben's comment "since when do you sleep with a bottle of scotch on your nightstand?" somewhat interesting. Does Ben routinely pop in on Widmore when he's asleep and notice what's on the nightstand?

I was annoyed that Sayid bought Ben's story so easily. Ben hands him a crappy photo that could have been taken anywhere, and tells Sayid this man murdered his wife, and Sayid just buys it? With no more evidence? I suppose he could been too upset to think straight, but it still bothered me.

I'm thinking that they found the doctor dead on the island because time moves faster there and events on the outside (such as the boat) have yet to catch up to them. Time travel makes my head hurt.

Posted by: DeadBessie at April 28, 2008 3:22 PM

i loved this episode and the recap. i was freaking when those dudes were shooting at sawyer. i can only guess that i will be sobbing at the season finale like last years (meriadoc brandybuck is the reason i started watching lost, nerd that i am)--i really don't want to see desmond, penny or sawyer go.

and of course ben ruled, as always. i had to laugh at his expense, though, when widmore told him not to look at him with "those horrible eyes".

i have no possible explanation for the hurley-cabin thing. maybe it's something to do with the numbers? or the fact that he "sees" other people, like the bald dude from sex and the city and charlie in the flash-forwards? didn't jacob get angry with ben or am i making up things? maybe jacob has made it so that only hurley can find the cabin because "the island needs him". that explanation worked for michael. i don't know.

Posted by: kelley at April 28, 2008 3:24 PM

DeadBessie, I agree that Sayid should have caught the lie immediately (because it's SAYID fer chrissakes), but I'm willing to believe the whole blinded by grief angle-- he says it himself. He spent 8 years trying to get back to her, when he did they married, and now she's dead. He doesn't have much to lose anymore, and needs to take out his loss on someone.

kelley, Hurley found the cabin before (he let it slip to Locke when he said something like "I though the cabin was the other way"). I think both Ben and Locke are a bit lost/in over their heads with the island stuff. I may be wrong, but I got the impression that you cannot even find Jocob unless he wants you to, so the fact that Hurley found the cabin at all is pretty big. And Jacob could be getting fickle about who he wants to trust/talk to/instruct.

Posted by: artificialsweet5 at April 28, 2008 3:34 PM

i got a little brain pretzel-y when i watched this episode, so i'm going to have to watch it again. this was the first flashforward with a date stamp--i think--and i'm obsessed with the whole timeline thing so i missed a few things.

Widmore & Ben being each other's constants would make sense--in that Widmore wants to capture Ben alive and Ben not being able to kill Widmore, but then why is Ben avoiding Widmore's men on the island? wouldn't he need to stay in touch with Widmore just as much as Widmore needs to stay in touch with him? Widmore used to be in control of the island's mysteries and he needs to capture Ben on the island to regain control. so Widmore is stuck in normal time if he doesn't have access to the island--then, brain pretzel.

Posted by: pq at April 28, 2008 3:40 PM

Ben's gotta have some sort of transport/teleport powers. How else did he get Locke's father to the island so Sawyer could confront him and Locke could kill him? The submarine could not have traveled that fast.

And yeah, I felt sorry for Ben when Alex was killed.

I thought the doctor was Locke, too, when they first turned him over.

Posted by: rlr260 at April 28, 2008 3:54 PM

I continue to be generally pissed off at Lost. I wish I could be like everyone else, blissfully accepting of (what I see as) its many faults.

Every time one of the Others whips out mad martial arts skillz or whatever I get annoyed. Is there ANY logical reason for any of that?

Locke pulling a gun on Hurley was just another example of his insanity. Hurley's a reasonable guy; is it really impossible to think that saying, "Hey, Hugo, I know you want to get back to the beach, but it would really help me out if you could help me get to the cabin. It won't take long," would convince him? Oh, but then we wouldn't have "drama."

I don't know what's wrong with his body, but the interesting twist of the flashforwards is that by confirming that Jack will indeed live to escape the island and flirt with Kate in a parking garage, the writers can put him through all sorts of hell on the island, knowing that he has to make it out. He can get sick to the point of death, and all kinds of things can go wrong, but he's got to survive.

Looking at that another way, we don't have to worry about him at all. If, in the coming episodes, anyone is pointing a gun at Jack or shooting at him or something, I'll go make a sandwich, because I know he'll be fine.

I would definitely recommend limiting Charlotte to one line per episode in the future. I don't like picking on actors, but that one? Not so good.

Lastly, giving Ben power over the smoke monster bugs the HELL out of me.

Posted by: Todd at April 28, 2008 3:55 PM

artificialsweet5, i know that hurley found the cabin in an earlier episode, i was just throwing random things out there to try to explain why he was able to :)

and i was annoyed by sayid's gullibility as well. i'm hoping that sayid, since he knows how manipulative ben is, knows what's up and we'll find this out in a later episode. i just don't understand why it felt like sayid was indebted to ben in "the economist".

Todd, i'll be making a sandwich right along with you. next week's preview was all about jack being in danger, but we all know his ass survives. give me some desmond.

Posted by: kelley at April 28, 2008 4:06 PM

RE Could it be that Ben can't kill Widmore for the same reason Michael can't die? That the island won't "allow" it?


K, I forgot about that... and the "constant" thing makes sense too, I guess, inasmuch as anything makes "sense" in Lost World.

Another question: if the island makes you kind of "immortal," why does Widmore need control of the island? That I don't get. But sometimes I'm kinda slow on the uptake. Movies and TV always make time travel seem like some kind of ultimate power that people would kill to have but I've never really understood why. Except for a few Vegas bets and maybe the ability to buy Microsoft stock 25 years ago when it was really cheap, it seems like a pretty worthless ability to me.

Posted by: Slash at April 28, 2008 4:17 PM

I don't know about the other flash-forward episodes, but during this one I noticed the whoosh was after the flashes in all but the last flash (Ben's visit to Widmore). That whoosh occurred before the flash - has to be some significance to that.

I had not noticed that; but no WAY is that accidental or random.

Since in earlier seasons, the "whoosh" always signaled a flashback, it's a good guess that "whoosh" means that the action is moving to a time preceding the time of the scene we have just been watching.

That is probably going to be important going forward, because chronologically this show is now all over the map...and it's probably going to get even crazier before we're done.

This is like rough sex. I'm being flung around willy-nilly, don't know which way is up or what to expect next, and I am loving it.

Posted by: Jerce at April 28, 2008 4:21 PM

Deadbessie-I like Sayid and all but he is remarkably gullible for an elite Republican Guard torturer. This certainly wasn't the first time. I've learned to let it go.

As for the time difference between the island and the real world, I believe it is not a constant difference. It depends on which route you take off of or onto the island. This is why both Ben and Farraday at different times instruct people to take very specific headings off the island.

Posted by: Ed Newman at April 28, 2008 4:46 PM

I agree with the whole Sayid/Ben debacle. The first thing I thought was that Ben, himself, probably killed Nadia or someone working for him did for the exact reason of getting Sayid to work for him. Sayid was surprisingly guilable...however, Sayid (though pretty rational) has a had a history of making rash decisions in times of grief and pressure. (See ratting out Michael, and beating Ben to a bloody pulp).

DeadBessie, I completely agree with you. Obviously we've seen that time goes by a lot faster on the island so it's entirely possible that back on the boat the doctor is still alive.

Posted by: citizen_cris at April 28, 2008 4:47 PM

Jerce, I think I'm just confused by the way you worded that.

My take is this:

When we only had flashbacks, the whoosh always came before the flash.

Since we've been having flashes forward, I hadn't paid attention to where the whoosh was placed until this particular episode. Since all the whooshes were placed after flashes, I take them to be flashes-forward. But as for the one at the end, it had the whoosh prior to the Ben-Widmore meeting, and that must mean something. In accordance with previous rules, it should mean that scene was a flashback. And if it was a flashback, where in the overall chronology of the episode did it belong? I thought Darlton had said that within an episode, flashes would occur chronologically. But, as Ben noted, the rules have changed...

Posted by: Cindy at April 28, 2008 4:48 PM

Slash I'm with you on the island immortality thing, as opposed to Ben and Widmore being each others' constants. It seems obvious that Widmore has gotten to the island at least once, but he doesn't know exactly how to get back. Ben, on the other hand, can go back and forth seemingly at will. I think Ben somehow has control over some of the island's powers (even if only through Jacob), and I think that's what Widmore is after - Control.

Posted by: Cindy at April 28, 2008 4:55 PM

The fence Alex disabled (with the warning) must have been the one around the Barracks. The one that is supposed to keep the smoke monster out, or at least I thought. I think Ben just called it to the Barracks but couldn't exactly control it.

Also, when supposed ex-soldiers now mercenaries are shooting and can't hit someone behind a fucking picnic table, you've jumped the shark. That sequence really bothered me.

I don't think Ben can personally teleport. I can't remember the episode, but asshole archaeologist Charlotte was at a dig in the desert with the polar bear skeleton yes? A ludicrous teleporting device would explain how it got there. (Honestly it could've just fell out of a freight plane, y'know? but that would be stupid.)

Or maybe there are multiple Bens! Don't forget the fuckery that happened with two #15 rabbits.

Posted by: Stew at April 28, 2008 4:58 PM

Lost seems like it's leaning towards the plot of Wanted (the graphic novel, not the McAvoy-Jolie film due out).

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at April 28, 2008 5:25 PM

it had the whoosh prior to the Ben-Widmore meeting, and that must mean something. In accordance with previous rules, it should mean that scene was a flashback. And if it was a flashback, where in the overall chronology of the episode did it belong?

If I am right about the whooshes, it means that the Ben/Widmore meeting in the penthouse was a flashback, not a flashforward.

The audience saw Ben go into the secret room/tunnel and come back all dirty. Then the smoke monster appeared. We made the logical assumption that Ben went into the stone tunnel thingy to summon Smokey...but this show is all about misdirection. As Stew points out, the fence had just been disabled, allowing Smokey to enter the compound.

What if Ben really went "downstairs" and teleported to London to cuss out Widmore for killing his daughter, and Smokey's appearance has some other explanation?

Aaaaaargh.

Posted by: Jerce at April 28, 2008 5:29 PM

RE "Also, when supposed ex-soldiers now mercenaries are shooting and can't hit someone behind a fucking picnic table, you've jumped the shark. That sequence really bothered me."

Yeah, I'm no ex-Green Beret or anything, but when people are firing high-caliber weapons at something made of wood, seems to me, that renders the things made of wood useless as cover. But lots of TV and movies do that, show people cowering behind tables and doors and chairs and emerging unscathed.

RE "smoke monster" - THAT is the shit that bothers me. I don't see the point of it anymore and if they're not going to explain it already, well, let's just stop using it. Polar bears in the tropics I can still buy off on, but "smoke monsters"? Nuh uh...

Posted by: Slash at April 28, 2008 5:50 PM

Now that Sayid is working for Ben, do you think Ben would send him to kill Penny? Sayid is tight with Desmond and knows all about Penny and what she looks like (he saw that Polaroid of them together). So perhaps Sayid is sent to kill her, only to see who she is and back out.

Remember at the end of "The Economist" when Ben says something like, "Remember the last time you thought with your heart instead of your gun?"

I think he is referring to Penny.

Posted by: Stephanie at April 28, 2008 5:52 PM

I have to disagree on the Penny thing Stephanie. Perhaps in the future Ben will send Sayid after Penny, but I don't think it already happened. Penny would likely be Ben's ultimate target - not in the middle of his list.

Meanwhile, Ben must know about the Penny-Desmond connection. He knows everything about everyone who has stepped onto the island thus far. I do wonder how Desmond will now be affected. Maybe Ben will use him as bait. Maybe he already has.

Posted by: Cindy at April 28, 2008 6:41 PM

One other thing that is really bothering me: The last time we were on the boat, Sayid marched Michael into the captain's office and told the captain he was a spy for Ben Linus.

When are we going to find out the results of that? And was that a genuine betrayal, or is it some kind of ruse between Michael and Sayid?

I need this addressed!

Posted by: Jerce at April 28, 2008 6:57 PM

I don't know when we'll get the answer Jerce, but I am anxious to see the outcome as well. For no good reason, I feel like we won't get back to that story until the finale.

I don't consider what Sayid did a betrayal, but rather just Sayid being fed up with playing games. I think he felt it might gain some ground with the Captain. But since it seemed like the Captain already knew (facial expression) about Michael, it may have been in vain.

Posted by: Cindy at April 28, 2008 7:28 PM

Haven't even read the review yet, but oh my god, I love the Beatles reference!

Posted by: phantom at April 28, 2008 8:38 PM

The picnic table thing is certainly unrealistic, but not as unrealistic as all the times that people have recieved CPR on this show just to magically sputter and wake up, without a real defibrillator, without any broken ribs.

Posted by: Bucko at April 28, 2008 9:35 PM

Re: No Sayid and Desmond on the boat this week:
Since "Eggtown" there have been three story settings: the beach, the barracks and the freighter. Every episode since then has left out one setting and focused on the other two, and this week was no different. I feel confident we'll see the freighter next week.

Re: Sayid being played by Ben:
I agree that Sayid might be too trusting, perhaps even gullible, but I don't understand why everyone is assuming that Ben is lying. That bald guy clearly recognized Ben (and probably worked for Widmore). Why would he be at Nadia's funeral?
Rewatching the final scene of "The Economist," there's much less of a Sayid-is-Ben's-servant vibe this time around. Knowing what I know now, I interpreted it more as Ben being the brains of the operation and Sayid being the muscle. Sayid is starting to have doubts about what they both set out to do together, and Ben is reeling him back in (albeit for his own motives).
I think Sayid could walk away if he really wanted to, just like Michael. Ben or Tom never forced Michael to get on the boat, they just told him that it would help save the lives of his friends.

Posted by: wrion at April 29, 2008 3:36 AM

I like the idea of Ben and Widmore being each other's constants. They definitely seemed to have a history.

Sawyer flips over a wooden picnic table and takes cover behind it, because apparently gunfire can be as easily deflected on Hell Island as in "Call of Duty."

That just made my day. Sawyer has the prettiest character shield I have ever seen. (Claire's ain't bad either) The picnic table is one thing, but right after that he ducks behind a goddamn FENCE POST like he's Bugs Bunny being chased by Elmer Fudd. I can't wait for the Sawyer/Hurley buddy movie.

Posted by: jM at April 29, 2008 9:47 AM

I love this show, but my biggest peeve/jump the shark moment was when Jack performed fucking neurologic spine surgery on a man who was not intubated or under general anesthesia!!! You guys probably addressed that way back when, I don't think I was reading the reviews back then. Anyway, I could not get over that, and it really pisses me off to think about it now...Ben, laying there with flow-by O2 in his goddamn nose, talking and blinking, while his kidney is exposed to the air. Not to mention all the cross-contamination going on in that 'OR' - Jack touching his face, talking on a walkie-talkie, then sawing away next to someone's spinal cord. Why do they do that shit on TV, unrealistic gunfights, unrealistic medical procedures? I get so excited sometimes by how smart this show is, then sometimes it's like what the hell?

Posted by: iheartlasagne at April 29, 2008 11:15 AM

epidural could be tandamount to ben's surgery?

did anybody notice the painting of the ship 'black rock' in widmore's bedroom during ben's visit? i know minor point...
the widmore as ben's constant kind of makes some sense.

y, the gunfight did suck. of all peepz, sawyer should know that picnic table wood does a poor job of stopping bullets...

unless i have missed something....as sawyer is as yet to be revealed as the 6th of the 6...
jack, hurley, kate, sayid, sun & ?
and wanted to stay and play house w/kate...
in any event.. they kill him off... i'll stop watching it cold.. i don't care if i have invested years in the show..
i'll quit it.

Posted by: kikz at April 29, 2008 12:15 PM

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Posted by: Nicole at April 29, 2008 12:22 PM

"Nicole," STFU.

like he's Bugs Bunny being chased by Elmer Fudd.

That reminded me of one of my favorite moments: Sawyer's been crackin' on Hurley through most of the show, and he finally says something that makes Hurley crack, and Hurley loses it and just whales on Sawyer. It was shot like one of those old cartoon fights, a kind of thundery blur with the occasional fist or leg sticking out of it--and at one point Sawyer actually tries to crawl out of the fight-vortex and Hurley drags him back in! I laughed till I nearly wet my pants. I can't remember which season that was in; maybe some of you folks with the DVDs can tell us.

A not-very-spoilery spoiler: I've read recently that Michelle Forbes will be making an appearance. You BSG fans know who she is; the rest of us might know her from Homicide and/or as Ensign Ro on Star Trek: TNG. I think she's a terrific actress and I'm looking forward to seeing her on LOST.

Posted by: Jerce at April 29, 2008 12:34 PM

kikz:

The six have been revealed as the five you mentioned above, along with Aaron. But I doubt they'd kill off Sawyer--that would piss off too many fans.

My sister noticed the "Black Rock" painting in Widmore's room (sharp eyes, y'all!) and suggested that maybe Widmore's ancestors are connected to the ship.

I miss the old spambot--the spastic one that actually appeared a tiny bit sentient. This new one has no originality at all.

Posted by: DeadBessie at April 29, 2008 2:21 PM

jack, hurley, kate, sayid, sun & ?

and Aaron, kikz. I'm pretty sure aaron was established as one of the oceanic 6, which to me was a giant disappointment! I mean, ok I don't want a baby to die, but I also wanted it to be one of the other characters I know and LIKE!

I thought they gunfight and the "killing off of random extras were kind of hilarious, in a completely unbelievable way. it was almost like I was watching another show for a moment. (or maybe lost season 2)

Posted by: harvette at April 29, 2008 4:14 PM

... a soap impression of his wife, which he ate and donated to the National Trust...

Posted by: zh at April 29, 2008 4:39 PM

I am dedicated Lost devotee, but my patience is starting to wear thin as the mysteries become more and more convoluted as basic logic has to be overlooked constantly to explain ANYTHING.

The final scene between Widmore and Ben bugged me big time. While I am interested in their dynamic, the dialogue in that scene was OUTRAGEOUSLY cryptic and... bad.
"Are you going to kill me?"
"We both know I can't do that."
What are you, in some terrible spy novel? ARGGGH If you don't explain WHY you can't kill each other it just seems stupid and illogical.

And I detest when magic superpowers are the explanation for things, without question. Why can Hurley "see" things? Just 'cuz! Why can Miles communicate with ghosts? (GHOSTS, people!!!!) Just 'cuz!! It's not mysterious, it's called bad writing. It's a dumb plot coupon.

Forget the unrealistic gun fight, Claire surviving an exploding house was completely retarded. She has been singularly useless for ages now, and I for one am counting the days til her death. She must've outlived her use, you know?

but may sawyer live to see another season!

Posted by: tati at April 29, 2008 7:16 PM

thanks y'all, for the arron update.. i hadn't thought that as he was not actually born, maybe they'd not counted him as an orig 6... for whatever reason.. :P

anyyyyyway.... good eye besse's sis, spotting the painting.. i remb somethin once bein said inre the ship's logs.. i think widmore bought those too, or stole them frm someone...

well if sawyer is gonna stay.. there'll hafta be character development of a nookie interest... maybe it'll be michelle forbes?

Posted by: kikz at April 29, 2008 8:55 PM

So is it all going to be one big cosmic game of Risk between Widmore and Ben? Hope not. I dunno, but I was a little underwhelmed by this episode. Maybe it's just me but Alex's death didn't move/shock me at all and I'm a little annoyed with Sayid. There was only Ben's word [!] that the guy killed Sayid's wife and Sayid signs on with him just like that. He should know Ben better. And the smile on master manipulator Ben's face as he walked away said it all.
I'm pleased Sawyer is returning to the beach. Good timing as Jack appears to be in for some grief with a mystery ailment. Maybe Sawyer will develop some leadership qualities - his character has been underused for some time.

Posted by: Subi at April 30, 2008 1:28 AM

just another note.. i had a big giggle over...
the lostpedia. nicknames sawyer's character has graced us with... some are ... just... classic..
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/List_of_nicknames#By_Sawyer

other interesting stuff..
sawyer's reading list..
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Literary_works#Sawyer_reads

lotza minutia in the lostpedia.. have fun :)

Posted by: kikz at April 30, 2008 7:37 AM

Time moves differently on the island, remember? So when someone gets off the island, there is always a time disconnect. And remember the polar bear skeleton found in Tunisia (when Charlotte was introduced)? Same place as where Ben appears.

Also, I think Ben can't kill Widmore because the island wouldn't allow it, like how Michael can't be killed.

So, my question, who is the woman in the painting in Ben's cabin? Is she Annie, the girl who gave him the carved dolls when they were kids? I think Annie was Ben's love, and then she went with Widmore and had Penny.

So then Ben finally freaks and kills everyone on the Dharma initiative and exiles Widmore from the island. Backstory, The Black Pearl (the shipwrecked slave ship with the dynamite and where Sawyer killed Locke's father), belonged to the Widmore family.

So there, what do you think?

Posted by: qtp2t at April 30, 2008 9:06 PM

Oops, too much beer. Black Rock is the name of the ship, and it was owned by Hanso family. Still, Widmore is obsessed with it (he got the journal at the auction).

Posted by: qtp2t at April 30, 2008 9:10 PM

"He can't die because the island won't let him"

Whenever someone invokes this rule I scoff... then cringe.

That is NOT an explanation. It's a bullshit writing crutch.

Posted by: Tati at May 1, 2008 2:42 AM

im confused wasnt there a part when desmond hears about widmore on the island = why doesnt he mention that its his gf's dad?

Posted by: abc at May 1, 2008 9:42 AM

no no - ben can't kill charles widmore for the same reason that michael can't die yet and jack isn't able to kill himself successfully in the future - the island won't let these people die because there is still "work left to do" - i bet you any money charles widmore left the island the same way jack did, and wasn't "supposed to" - and has since been trying to get back the same way michael and jack have - so they can either finally die or finish their unfinished buisness.

Posted by: sarah at May 1, 2008 3:39 PM

oh yeah and the flash at the end with ben and charles, that happened in the past. the dialogue was to careful for them to have been really referencing what was going on in the episode. those writers, they love the misdirection.

Posted by: sarah at May 1, 2008 4:12 PM

Thank you to everyone who helped explain the doctor/floater incident. I'm totally with you now. I just need to eat my wheaties more often!

Posted by: Helcat at May 2, 2008 12:59 PM

"oh yeah and the flash at the end with ben and charles, that happened in the past. the dialogue was to careful for them to have been really referencing what was going on in the episode. those writers, they love the misdirection."

while i agree that misdirection is frequently and eloquently used, sarah, they do mention alex dying...sooooo... can't really be previous to the episode...

Posted by: Mrs Phillips at May 5, 2008 11:37 AM

For me,this was easily te best episode of Lost I think I've seen. Ben's probably by far the most complex character on the island, and this episode really showed his depth, from the little smirk after he gets Sayid, to that wide-eyed pause when ALex is shot - it's the one time we've ever seen him really undone. ahhh, i can't wait to see where this series is going next!

Posted by: hk at May 13, 2008 3:37 AM








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