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“Lost: The Other Woman” (S4/E6) Recap / Daniel Carlson

TV Reviews | March 10, 2008 | Comments (52)


It’s tempting in the aftermath of “The Other Woman,” the sixth episode of Season Four of “Lost,” to write the episode off. It’s not because the episode isn’t good, because it is, but it’s just that the first five episodes of the season have been generally stellar, especially the time-jumping metaphysical romance-adventure of the previous week’s “The Constant.” But “The Other Woman” is still satisfying, and in its own way, that’s a great assurance of the series’ skills as a whole: Even when the episodes aren’t all-time great, they’ll still be solid hours of storytelling, and that’s not something to ignore. “The Other Woman” followed the template that’s been working fantastically for “Lost” this year. It deepened the personal history and psychological makeup of certain characters, put the castaways’ relationships to the test, and ended with a kicker (if not quite as big as some of the earlier ones). All told, it was a smooth little hour of TV.

The episode opens with Juliet in therapy with a Dr. Harper, whose demeanor is pretty off-putting for a psychoanalyst. Harper says this is just a “meet and greet so we can get to know each other” before asking, “So, you’ve been here a week. What’s your least favorite part so far?” Juliet thinks for a moment before saying, “I don’t like being treated like a celebrity.” It’s the beginning of an exchange meant to keep the viewer off balance as to when exactly the scene is taking place, since the period adjustment Juliet’s apparently experiencing could easily be either her arrival on the island or her possible return to society at large as one of the Oceanic Six. It’s not completely ambiguous; Harper says “here” too many times, when she’d probably say “back” or “home” if Juliet had made it back to shore, but the point of the conversation isn’t too confuse the viewer, just to keep you uncertain. That’s the whole point of the show: You can never quite be sure what will happen. But yes, Juliet is still on the island, making “The Other Woman” only the second episode this season (after “Confirmed Dead”) to use flashbacks instead of flashforwards. This becomes clear when Tom, aka Mr. Friendly, aka Beardy Maleardy, comes in and interrupts the session, saying that Ben needs to see Juliet. And like that, writers Drew Goddard and Christina M. Kim have set the scene and managed to use a dead character, which is always fun. Personally, I keep hoping Shannon will show back up. Tom escorts Juliet through the Others’ village to a yellow house where Ben is waiting on the porch with a bouquet of flowers, looking for all the world like the devil in pleated khakis. “Welcome to your humble abode,” he says. Juliet is blown away and insists Ben shouldn’t have gone to all the trouble since she’s only going to be there for six months, but Ben isn’t about to blow his plans to keep her there indefinitely, so he just smiles and says, “We want you to feel at home.”

Back to the future/present: Sun helps Juliet fix her shelter on the beach and asks her why she’s worried about repairing her hut when they’re about to be rescued. The scene is a nice parallel with the one before it, especially when Juliet doesn’t let on about her doubts concerning their supposed saviors on the ship. She just shrugs and says, “I still need somewhere to sleep tonight, right?” It’s a wonderful way to reinforce the series’ m.o. —you never know what will happen — and also to suggest an uncomfortable similarity between Ben and Juliet. Jack runs up and asks where Daniel and Charlotte are, and Jin says via Sun that he saw them heading off into the jungle. Jack’s worry has Sun understandably concerned, and when she asks Jack if Daniel and Charlotte are really as friendly as Jack had said they were, he doesn’t answer. Instead, he breaks out the torches (from somewhere) and forms an impromptu search party, and he, Juliet, Jin, and Sun head into the jungle just as it starts to rain. Juliet has the misfortune to hike through the part of the jungle with the creepy ghost whispers, and she turns around to see Harper standing before her, who has managed to just appear out of nowhere. “Long time no see,” Harper says, adding, “I came to deliver a message. From Ben.” Harper tells Juliet that Daniel and Charlotte are headed to the Tempest to deploy the gas, which will kill everyone on the island unless Juliet stops them. Juliet, to her infinite credit, isn’t about to be scared into carrying out a hit. “Why don’t you stop them?” she asks, but Harper says Ben wants Juliet to do it. “How can Ben possibly know where they are when he’s a prisoner?” Harper shoots back that Ben is “exactly where he wants to be,” which is exactly what Miles said of his own imprisonment to Kate. Harper tells Juliet to just man up and kill Daniel and Charlotte, at which point Jack comes stumbling into the clearing to find them both there, so at least Harper isn’t a delusion or projection of Juliet’s imagination. The whispers come back, causing Jack and Juliet to wheel around in mild panic, and Harper disappears.

Second flashback: Juliet is in her lab, weeping, when she hears someone rustling about in the supply room. She opens the door and finds Goodwin — the Other who’s eventually tasked with joining the Tailies, and who gets shanked by Ana Lucia when she figures out he’s an impostor — digging through the supplies. He says he’s looking for gauze and shows Juliet a burn on the inside of his arm that he says he received from leaning against a transformer at the power station. Juliet begins to patch him up, and they talk about her work. “I heard we lost Henrietta this morning,” Goodwin says, and Juliet starts to break down again. “It’s not your fault,” he tells her, and says that if she’s looking for someone to talk to she should try Harper. “Harper hates me,” Juliet says. “I get the feeling she is a mean and spiteful person.” So of course, Goodwin reveals that Harper is his wife. Classic mistake. If you’re the new guy at the office and you’re gonna bash someone else in front of a third party, you need to ask the third party how they know/feel about the jerk in question. Come on. Juliet finishes the bandage and tells Goodwin that if he keeps Juliet’s comments about Harper to himself, then Juliet won’t tell anyone how Goodwin really hurt his arm. “I know a chemical burn when I see one,” she tells him. They share a knowing look, and a couple sparks fly; not Sawyer-Kate sparks, or even Sawyer-Jack, but still, better than nothing.

Back on Hell Island, Juliet and Jack are still making tracks through the jungle, shouting to be heard over the rain. Jack wants to know what the Tempest is, but Juliet says it’s safer for Jack if she doesn’t talk about it. But two seconds later, she tells him it’s an electrical station that powers the island. She stonewalls him on the rest of his questions, though, deflecting the puppy dog look he gives her with a simple, “If we move all night, maybe we can still catch them.” The next morning (I assume), Daniel and Charlotte are stopped next to a small stream, checking Daniel’s map of the island, which is really nothing more than a nice sketch with a big “UNKNOWN” written over the middle of the land mass. “What happens if I can’t do it?” he asks her, alluding to whatever it is they’re trying to do at the Tempest station. Charlotte says she knows he can do it, and they get ready to head out when Kate appears from behind a bush. Charlotte slaps leather and looks ready to fire when Daniel stops her. While she refills her canteen, Kate tells them that Locke has Miles, but that “they’re treating him fine.” (Kate has presumably not been filled in on the whole grenade-in-Miles’-mouth episode.) Charlotte says that she and Daniel are out looking for the packs they threw out the chopper so they can get spare batteries and revive the sat phone, which is dead. Kate sees the tip of the phone sticking out of Daniel’s bag, its light green and functional in a way that would suggest Charlotte is full of crap. Kate then asks Daniel where he got his pack if he, as Charlotte said, threw it from the helicopter, and he says he borrowed it. Kate bends down to inspect the pact and finds gas masks inside, confirming that Charlotte is, indeed, full of crap. But Kate pays the price for being stupid enough to turn her back on a stranger, and Charlotte pistol-whips her, knocking her out cold. Charlotte’s pretty blasé about the whole thing, and thus officially begins competing with Miles for the title of Biggest Douchebag From the Rescue Ship. In another part of the jungle, Jack and Juliet continue their pursuit of Daniel and Charlotte, and they’re beginning to bicker a little. Jack is mainly upset that Juliet knows everything about him from having read his file but will not share her own personal horrors with him, which seems to be the only way to bond on the island.

Third flashback: Juliet is back in her lab, examining something under her microscope, while Ben stands nearby and puts out the quasi-rapist vibe. She starts talking about trimesters and immune systems and the whole problem with why women who get pregnant on the island keep losing their children, but Ben’s just staring at her like he’s waiting for one of her blonde locks to come undone so he can keep it for himself and add it to his hairdoll. Juliet offers Ben a look into the microscope, and when he moves over he lets a few fingers rest lightly on Juliet’s hand. But oh, the discomfort is about to reach a fever pitch: The door to the lab opens and Goodwin is standing there with a couple of brown paper bags. He says Ethan is out sick and he wanted to offer Juliet his lunch. Juliet declines, saying she’s already eaten and that she’s got an appointment in a few minutes with Harper anyway. It’s not much on the surface, but this part of the scene — which can’t take more than a few seconds, tops — is fantastic in the way it establishes the triangle dynamic between the characters, and it does it with nothing more than a few words and meaningful looks, like the way Juliet smiles when she sees Goodwin or the way Ben looks at the man with a mixture of distrust and fear and the knowledge that he will inevitably lose the race for Juliet’s affections. It’s perfect. Later that afternoon, Juliet is sitting Harper’s office when Harper starts unleashing the passive-aggressive therapy. Asked what she thinks of Ben, Juliet says he’s been really welcoming and nice, to which Harper replies, “Of course he has, you look just like her.” Before Juliet can figure that one out, Harper asks when Juliet started sleeping with Goodwin. Juliet acts shocked and offended, but Harper says she’s followed them and seen it happen. Juliet mumbles a meek apology, but Harper brushes it off, saying that she just wants to make sure Goodwin doesn’t get hurt. Juliet says she’d never hurt Goodwin, but Harper again corrects her: “I’m talking about Ben,” she says, who will apparently visit some pain upon Goodwin when he gets confirmation that he and Juliet are sleeping together.

Back at the Barracks, Locke is picking apart the bloody carcass of a freshly killed rabbit when Claire comes up and asks if she can talk to Miles. Locke isn’t hot on the idea, but Claire says they might be “taking the wrong approach” when it comes to interrogating their prisoner. Locke, who looks like he wants to put a grenade on Claire’s mouth and just start solving his problems with combat explosives, invokes Charlie’s memory and reminds Claire of who Charlie said really owned the ship. Claire, showing phenomenal patience for a single mother whose quasi-boyfriend was killed by a one-eyed Russian, comes back with the truth that Locke has been overlooking for several episodes now: “All Charlie said was whose boat it isn’t. Don’t you want to know whose boat it is?” Down in the basement, Ben is re-reading Valis when Locke brings him lunch and Ben begins to play really predictable mind games with Locke, questioning his lack of a plan. Ben says he himself always has a plan, but Locke gets off a good shot when he asks if Ben’s plan includes raising $3.2 million. Locke then throws a crumpled $1 bill into the speechless Ben’s lap, making the score 234-2 in favor of Ben in these little debates. Ben tells Locke he’ll reveal the identity of the man who owns the freighter if Locke lets Ben go topside and live in a house. Locke is unwilling to take Ben’s word, so Ben promises physical evidence.

Fourth flashback: Juliet is swimming in the ocean and struts out of the water to Goodwin, who’s waiting on shore with a picnic basket, blanket, and a giant bull’s-eye on his head. Goodwin says he hates how private they have to be about their relationship, especially since he’s been sleeping on his couch for a year now anyway. Juliet says Ben wouldn’t be happy, but Goodwin says he doesn’t care about Ben’s crush. Goodwin says he spends his days working on chemicals that would annihilate the island’s population, which means that Ben has enough to worry about without obsessing over Juliet’s relationships. The mention of the chemical warfare thing is a little out of place, even if it’s meant to reinforce Ben’s position as leader; it’s a little like when Chris Farley showed up as the knowledgeable security guard in Wayne’s World. But the gas is important later, and has already been used by Ben to purge the island of the Dharma holdouts, so I guess it had to get mentioned somewhere. “What’s Ben gonna do?” Goodwin asks, but the next scene tells us what we already know: When Flight 815 crashes into the island, Ben sends Goodwin to infiltrate the Tailies, an assignment that could mean death if he’s found out. Goodwin and Juliet share one last look before Goodwin races off into the jungle, never to be seen alive again.

Back on the island: Juliet and Jack come across Kate, who’s just now regaining consciousness. Juliet leaves to get Kate some water while Kate fills in Jack on what it’s like to get jumped by a twitchy ginger. Jack realizes Juliet isn’t coming back and yells her name a few times, but gets no response. Over at the Barracks, Locke leads Ben into his old house and asks for the info Ben had promised. Ben directs Locke to a picture on the wall that’s concealing a safe and gives him the combo. Locke pulls out a videotape — which, for the really hardcore kids in the audience, is a U-matic — that’s labeled “Red Sox,” so it’s a safe bet this is the same cassette Juliet showed Jack when he was a captive to prove that the Others had contact with the outside world. The tape serves as a continuation of the backstory established in “The Constant,” which saw Penny’s father, Charles Widmore, at an auction purchasing the ledger of the Black Rock’s first mate. The video, shot from what looks like a balcony outside a motel, shows Widmore getting out of a car. “This is the man who’s been trying to find the island,” Ben says. Widmore proceeds to beat up a blindfolded man Ben says is one of the Others who “had the misfortune to get caught.” Ben says he doesn’t know how Widmore found out about the island, but is sure he wants to exploit it. After all, if it can cure Rose and make Locke walk again, people would probably pay anything to visit Hell Island and enjoy its restorative physical properties, timestream issues be damned. After killing the guy, Widmore looks up and seems to spot the camera, at which point the tape cuts off. Ben gives Locke his file on Widmore, admitting that some of the information is just guesswork, but Locke wants to know one more thing: Who’s Ben’s man on the boat? Ben grins that really evil grin and says, “All right, but you might want to sit down.” My theory: MercutioMichael.

Out in the jungle, Kate and Jack are trying to catch up to Juliet. Kate admits to Jack that she’d stayed behind with Locke’s crew to find out if the people on the freighter knew that she was wanted for murder. Her fear and apprehension are understandable, but the nature of the flashforwards (which have been wonderful and invigorating) makes the scene inherently tensionless. We know Kate will make it home and beat the murder wrap, getting off with time served before she goes home and checks on Aaron, whom she somehow took/borrowed/rescued from Claire. Meanwhile, Juliet finally makes it to the Tempest station, which has some pretty lax security measures: Seeing that the wires controlling the door have been cut, Juliet just pulls down on the counterweight that slides the door open.

Fifth flashback, and one most like a really sad (but terrifying) John Hughes movie: Juliet shows up at Ben’s house with dinner rolls while Ben scampers off to get a ham out of the oven. Juliet sees the candles on the table (uh oh) and says, “I thought this was a dinner party.” Ben replies, “Just you and me. I guess I should have made that clearer.” He looks like he’s about to giggle, he’s so happy, but he apparently has no idea that luring a woman to your house (and haunted research island) under false pretenses and then acting like it’s no big deal is pretty much going to guarantee that things do not go well. Get ready for a DTFR, big guy. Ben compliments Juliet on the way she’s handling Zack and Emma, the two kids who were abducted from the Tailies. Juliet starts to make the argument that the kids should probably go home to their mother in Los Angeles, but Ben dismissed her complaint by saying that the kids are on “the list,” and it’s not up to Ben or Juliet to question the list’s roster. Juliet says that now that everyone on the list from the tail section has been recruited, Goodwin should get to come home. Ben’s smile freezes on his face and he pauses while cutting the ham. Ben tells Juliet that Goodwin wants Ana Lucia to join the Others, and adds that he suspects Goodwin to have “almost inappropriately” passionate feelings about Ana Lucia. Ben’s ruse fools absolutely no one, and it’s embarrassing to hear. Ben can’t even meet Juliet’s eyes when he first tells her Goodwin isn’t coming home any time soon.

Back at the Tempest, Juliet finds Daniel in a Hazmat suit, bent over a keyboard while an alarm warns of impending meltdown. She aims what looks like a Luger at him — which is somehow really cool — and tells him to stop, but he just looks worried that she showed. Juliet rips off his gas mask and says that if he releases the gas he’ll die, but Daniel says he’s trying to render the gas inert and save everyone. Just then, Charlotte jumps out from behind and attempts to get her second drop on an islander, but Juliet manages to dodge and they start wrassling around. Juliet breaks free, but Charlotte reiterates that she and Daniel are just trying to prevent Ben from gassing everyone. “We know he’s used it before,” she says, referencing the Dharma purge from last season’s “The Man Behind the Curtain.” Daniel stops the emergency countdown with two seconds left, and all is once again right (kinda) on Hell Island. Juliet could have shot him and stopped him, but she didn’t; it’s her final break with Ben, and the episode has done a nice job sketching out an arc that began with their similarities and ends with her decision not to follow his orders.

Final flashback: Juliet is in her lab — again — when Ben comes to visit her. It’s been an indeterminate amount of time since the non-date. Juliet tells Ben that Jack is a gifted surgeon and could really help Ben, but Ben barely reacts. “I need you to come with me,” he says. They walk a while until Ben finally stops at the top of a hill, saying, “I’m sorry, Juliet.” She looks down the hill to see Goodwin’s corpse impaled on a wooden spike, and begins to cry as she runs to him. Juliet asks Ben why he showed her this, and he replies, “What, you mean instead of his wife?” Juliet, hurt in too many ways, accuses Ben of sending Goodwin to the Tailies because he knew Goodwin would die. Juliet asks Ben why he did it, and he just wheels on her in an amazing moment of contained rage. “You’re asking me why? After everything I did to get you here, after everything I’ve done to keep you here, how can you possibly not understand … that you’re mine?” It’s a frightening, tragic moment, and a brilliant one in the way it’s true to Ben’s character. He could have finished the sentence with “I love you,” but he’s not that man and never will be. He’s a possessive, scared little kid, and views Juliet as something only he can have. He composes himself instantly and says, “Take as much time you need,” then calmly walks off.

Back outside the Tempest, Juliet and Charlotte emerge just as Jack and Kate arrive. Kate draws her gun on Charlotte, who’s apologetic (but not really) about knocking Kate out earlier. Kate escorts Charlotte inside to verify that Daniel is in fact securing the facility, leaving Jack and Juliet to make up. Juliet tells Jack that Ben told her to kill the rescuers, which flummoxes Jack. “These people came here to wage war against Ben,” Juliet says, “and Ben’s gonna win.” She tells Jack that when that happens, it won’t be safe to be “anywhere near” Juliet since Ben thinks she’s his “and he knows how I feel about you.” Jack swoops in for a kiss, and thankfully Kate doesn’t re-emerge to see it happen, which would be beyond clichéd. “He knows where to find me,” Jack says. Juliet does not look remotely comforted at the thought of losing another boyfriend to a psycho, but they hug anyway.

Down at the barracks, Hurley and Sawyer are playing horseshoes. I’ll say it again: They need their own show. I would watch them play ping-pong and debate trivia for half an hour every week. Hurley lands a nice shot and shrugs it off: “Guess I’m just lucky.” But then they look over and see Ben walking down the path to his house, carrying clean linens and smiling like he’s at a park. Sawyer asks what’s going, but Ben just replies, “See you guys at dinner.” It’s a fun ending, and it certainly sets up the story for new territory, but it isn’t the kind of big-picture jaw-dropper that we’ve been seeing this year. What’s more, Ben needs to break out soon or start causing trouble, because if he gets downgraded from insane leader of his own island community to a wacky neighbor, the show will suffer. But I don’t think that will happen. “Lost,” after all, is about not knowing what will happen next, and I’m sure Ben will find a way to keep things unpredictable.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a low-level employee at a Hollywood industry magazine. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.


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Posted by: PaddyDog at March 10, 2008 11:15 AM

I thought this episode pretty much sucked until I read your recap and viewpoint on it. I guess they can't all be "The Constant."

Posted by: Kolby at March 10, 2008 11:18 AM

I love love love this series and these recaps. I have to say that they are the only reason I decided to start watching Lost again. Though this episode wasn't as powerful as the last one, I have to say that I still highly enjoyed it. Any episode that gives us glimpses into the endgame is always a good one.

And Juliet was kinda badass....which was hot.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at March 10, 2008 11:26 AM

I love you for the semi-obscure title.

Posted by: Jerce at March 10, 2008 11:26 AM

umm, first time on pajiba and first comment? Wish i had somrthing more interesting to say except that i love the re-caps,- not being able to afford cable tv over here in belfast-, your LOST re-caps are the only thing keeping me informed until the boxset comes out.

Posted by: blackrider at March 10, 2008 11:32 AM

I was disappointed by this episode, not because it was bad, but because I've become accustomed to the break-neck, blow-your-mind pace of the episodes before it. And I can't really say I've ever liked Juliet.

I think Charlotte and Miles will eventually combine into one giant douche-hole and implode under the weight of their own jackassery. OpleaseOpleaseOplease!!

Posted by: OhRosieMyGirl at March 10, 2008 11:32 AM

Great recap of a slow episode.

When you note Ben "composes himself instantly and says, 'Take as much time you need,' then calmly walks off" did you really mean Ben "composes himself instantly and says, 'Take as much time you need,' then goofily skips off as if he had two diseased mongooses in his pants gnashing down hard on his tiny man-sacs?" Ah, Ben...the only blackhearted evil genius with the gait of an excitable 12 year old girl.

Can't wait for next week's episode! The addition of Brian Vaughn to the writing staff was a great move - the whole show seems invigorated again.

Posted by: CreepyGroovy at March 10, 2008 11:42 AM

"sawyer-jack" sparks, huh? that is one crazy love quadrangle you've got there

Posted by: sarah at March 10, 2008 11:44 AM

It wasn't as good as last week's, but very little TV is as good as The Constant. That said there were some interesting bits. Namely that Ben appears to be able to communicate with the black smoke. I can only assume that is what "Harper" was when she appeared to Juliet what with the whispers and the rather emotionless delivery. Creepy scene though.

Even when Lost isn't stellar it's still better than 95% of the shows out there. I'll take a mediocre Lost over just about anything else out there any day of the week. And this one was far from mediocre. You have to go back to the Nikki and Paulo mess from last season to get into some truly crap episodes.

Posted by: Rob at March 10, 2008 11:49 AM

...Ben "composes himself instantly and says, 'Take as much time you need,' then goofily skips off as if he had two diseased mongooses in his pants gnashing down hard on his tiny man-sacs?"

He-he.

I figured he just had to take an urgent dump.

Posted by: Adere at March 10, 2008 11:49 AM

I should add that the moment I realized it was a Juliet episode, I turned to Mr. Kolby and exclaimed, "A Juliet episode! Maybe she'll die!"

Yeah, she's not my favorite.

Posted by: Kolby at March 10, 2008 11:52 AM

Nice recap. These insights into the nature of these characters, especially Ben ("possessive, scared little kid), really help to reveal some of the shadings in this series that I tend to miss.

This ep was fairly solid, though it seemed to me like a whole lot of nothing happened. But a second viewing proved this one was much more about Others politics, and improved my opinion of it.

If the guy on the boat isn't Michael, then they are working damned hard to set him up as a red herring.

I have one fear, based on some of the sat phone conversations we've overheard. We are fast approaching a moment when Zoe Bell steps into a shot, opens her mouth, and destroys all of the Lost goodwill created these last six weeks.

Posted by: kushiro at March 10, 2008 12:00 PM

SOOO sick of Ben. His manipulations are so transparent that they make everyone else look incredibly stupid for falling for them. I can't wait for Jack to kill him, since pathetic, psychotic Locke has apparently lost the will.

I sure hope there's a reason that the new people had to keep their gas-neutralizing mission secret, because otherwise all the tension in this episode was a big waste of time (which wouldn't be a first for this show).

Posted by: Todd at March 10, 2008 12:02 PM

Just one teensy little irritant: How in the hell do those torches stay lit in the downpour?

That is all.

Posted by: AuntieMurry at March 10, 2008 12:02 PM

Locke is grating on my fucking nerves. He falls for every single ploy Ben sets up for him. That would be fine except Ben tells Locke he's going to do it! The smarmy little fucker had a speech about being a leader and others questioning your authority, and then what does Locke do? The one thing that would make everyone question his authority.

Posted by: Stew at March 10, 2008 12:05 PM

Oh, also, I think Juliet is supposed to look like Annie. Ben's little girlfriend who carved the dolls.

Posted by: Stew at March 10, 2008 12:15 PM

First, AuntieMurry, WORD. I ask myself that all the time.

Second, I am no longer on the fence about Juliet. I've decided that she is both bad-ass and awesome. Why is it that years later Jack is still all about Kate? I'm thinking it's because Juliet bites it.

Finally, I've thought for a long time that Michael is on the boat, even before Ben mentioned it.

Only two eps left, right? Dammit.

Posted by: Nicole at March 10, 2008 12:18 PM

Ben running up the hill reminded me of a spoiled child getting the last word in to a parent during a fight and then running off as quickly as possilbe. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Michael Emerson is an awesome actor.

What you talkin bout kushiro? Zoe Bell is joining Lost? I had to double check imdb to see if what you said is true. IT IS!!! Praise be to anyone that the greatness of Zoe Bell is going to be on the greatest show on Earth. Zoe is hot and was the best part of Death Proof for me.

Posted by: Hello at March 10, 2008 12:36 PM

Please for the love of god don't bring Shannon back. She is and was the most insipid character on the show so far.

This episode wasn't as flashy as the others, but it was still really good. I really like Juliette (so much more than Kate) which helps. I was disappointed that the let the mystery of the man on the boat stretch out to one more episode. I really thought we would be finding that one out this week. But I've heard that the 7th episode ends with a mini cliff hanger, providing a natural break in the season, so we may be waiting another few weeks.

Ben's mannerisms this week were great. Someone give that guy an Emmy.

Posted by: katy at March 10, 2008 12:45 PM

Who gives a shit about Lost? Where's the review of the last ep of the Wire mother fuckers?

Posted by: Johnny Apeshit at March 10, 2008 12:56 PM

I'm sort of hoping that Ben was the man that Jack's wife left him for. I know it's really far-fetched, but it would be awesome to watch Jack beat the shit out of Ben again.

Posted by: jvo at March 10, 2008 12:59 PM

I was so happy to have a Juliet-centered episode, I think she's so underrated.

Can I just point out that I was CRYING from laughter during the flashback scene where Juliet went over to Ben's for the non-date and he PRANCED across the room to greet her? That was so unlike Ben, yet at the same time, fits in completely with his character. Geeze, I want Ben to tell me that I'm HIS. Sigh.

Posted by: citizen_cris at March 10, 2008 1:07 PM

Michael Emerson is a fucking genius, and he should definitely get an Emmy. I hate Benjamin Linus with the fuming fiery hate of a thousand nuclear reactors going China Syndrome. I want Ben to die, and I want it on a continuous loop so I can watch it happen for hours at a time.

Juliet irritates me. That is a compliment to the actress. I particularly hate that bland smug half-smile we see so often on her face. Her episodes usually add a bit of sympathy for her character, but I just can't make myself like her.

Since last week, though, I've been having nightmares about that horrifying scene with Goodwin's body. It was just so painful, and Ben so loathsome...frightening.

Final remark: There needs to be some kind of explanation for why Charlotte and Daniel felt the need to keep their errand to Tempest Station a secret from the Lostaways. Why sneak off? They know the Losties know about/oppose Ben, so why not tell them what's up at the Tempest, and enlist their help?

Posted by: Jerce at March 10, 2008 1:09 PM

Jerce, I was wondering that at first too, but after I thought about it, the sneaking off of Charlotte and Daniel made sense. I could see where they wouldn't trust Juliet since she is an "other". Also, for all they know Jack, Kate or anyone could be a mole of Ben's. I am sure they received very explicit instructions before landing on Hell Island: "Trust no one." The murder of the orange faced Australian girl (whose name alludes me, but still reminds me of an Oompa Loompa) certainly didn't help on the trust front. If I knew there was a toxin that could kill everyone and wasn't sure who I could trust, I might be reluctant to talk openly about it until I took care of the situation. Dan/Charlotte simply do not know where everyone stands.

Posted by: ajax19 at March 10, 2008 1:30 PM

I love this episode simply for the creepy factor. Pretty much any episode featuring Ben in the flashbacks is fantastic, and this week's were chilling. I do have to say, they need to push the Locke's neighborhood storylines ahead. It's getting pretty old seeing Locke and Ben have the same conversation over and over. I always thought Locke was crazy. These episodes aren't helping.

Posted by: kelsy at March 10, 2008 1:35 PM

There was nowhere to go but down after The Constant, but Lost's worst day is still better than the best day of most other shows.

I'm not buying the Locke dumb-down, but I do wonder what's with his increased violence and the constant bloody hands. There has to be something more to that.
Kolby you can count me in on the Juliet dislike. I thought I would puke when Jack kissed her and I'm hoping Ben soon smothers her in a jealous rage.

Posted by: Cindy at March 10, 2008 2:01 PM

...Kate fills in Jack on what it's like to get jumped by a twitchy ginger.

hmm, i guess charlotte's not so bad :)

i missed this episode. i don't have tivo. but i do have pajiba. thank you.

Posted by: kelley at March 10, 2008 2:03 PM

Liked the episode. I appreciate Juliet more than ever. In the flashbacks she was a normal person - laughing, crying, smiling, emoting. Now we know it was Goodwin's death that broke her and turned her into a stone-faced zombie.

Favorite Ben moment: (Upon being served rabbit) "This didn't have a number on it, did it?"

Saw 407 on Friday. Anyone want spoilers?

Posted by: Murray at March 10, 2008 2:34 PM

i hated juliet at the beginning back when she brought jack his home made cheeseburgers, but since the first time i saw her up against kate and the reveal about her desperation to get back home, i've never thought she was more badass.

so far, juliet has killed and betrayed her own people, slept with a married man which ultimately led to his death, popped her own shoulder back into it's socket, and burned her hand making brownies for her book club while never missing a step or getting clubbed over the head. all kate does is whine about how she killed her abusive daddy, which gets less and less badass every time it's brought into the story, and she gets caught/clubbed over the head every time she ventures out unwanted into the jungle.

Posted by: sarah at March 10, 2008 2:42 PM

I, for one, say NO SPOILERS! I like reading this thread for other peoples' theories, and don't want to have to stop out of fear of ruining the next episode. Lucky you though Murray.

Posted by: katy at March 10, 2008 2:49 PM

I had the same thought, JVO, even though it is far-fetched, but Ben did say that he sent Juliet to Jack because Juliet was the splitting image of Sarah.

Posted by: Stephanie at March 10, 2008 2:54 PM

Michael Emerson is a fucking genius, and he should definitely get an Emmy. I hate Benjamin Linus with the fuming fiery hate of a thousand nuclear reactors going China Syndrome. I want Ben to die, and I want it on a continuous loop so I can watch it happen for hours at a time.

Posted by: Jerce at March 10, 2008 1:09 PM

AMEN! That thought was running through my mind during this whole episode.

I felt the same about Amy Ryan in "Gone Baby Gone", and it was why I was rooting for her to win the Oscar.

Funny junk about the torches staying lit in a torrential downpour, I said the exact same thing.

Juliet gets my vote any day over Kate; she's become a more interesting character with every episode in which she's featured. I think Kate is around to occasionally play bloodhound or frolic in her knickers.

Posted by: Alabamapink at March 10, 2008 3:01 PM

I have never seen someone act so effectively just by walking- Michael Emmerson did such an incredible job showing us Ben's angry child side in last week's episode. I'm also growing more attached to Juliet- but I'm convinced she's going to die (just think about her tragic name).

Posted by: snarla at March 10, 2008 3:31 PM

First off, I just wanna say I have just found this site, and am now in love with it, and plan on reading a ton of the old reviews. Just fantastic writing from what I have seen so far.

Secondly, these Lost recaps are great. To elaborate on what kushiro said earlier, they really allow an overall insight into the characters by referring to past episodes and events that have slipped my mind. Bravo.

After all that ass-kissing, its totally Michael on the boat, and you guys definitely should have done these recaps for The Wire - they would have been phenomenal.

Posted by: aidan at March 10, 2008 3:43 PM

how about juliet and kate starting up an affair, please jesus please..JULIET is SMOKING HOT . LOVE HER DEARLY

Posted by: pasadenamike at March 10, 2008 3:56 PM

how about juliet and kate starting up an affair, please jesus please..JULIET is SMOKING HOT . LOVE HER DEARLY

Posted by: pasadenamike at March 10, 2008 3:56 PM

RE "the devil in pleated khakis" - haven't we all had a boss like this?

I try not to like any character too much because just as soon as you start to really dig someone, they die or do something horrible or pathetic. I didn't like Juliet at first because she was one of the "others" and had that same patronizing "you wouldn't understand" attitude towards questions, but I figure that's because she knew was under surveillance. Anybody who's ever had a megalomaniacal boss who micromanages everything you do will, if they're smart, become the kind of person who doesn't answer questions or speak their mind, because they know someone will report back to the boss. Imagine if the creepy boss who has the hots for you could trap you at work and had the power of life and death over everyone. You'd be a little emotionally constipated, too.

Posted by: Slash at March 10, 2008 4:10 PM

Two more things: I just know that most male viewers of this episode were hoping for some closeups of clothing being ripped and whatnot in that fight between blonde and redhead. In their minds, Juliet and redhead went from fighting to kissing, then full-on girl-on-girl action. They probably don't even remember what happened after that scene.

My theory as to the island mojo: Some sort of special energy that makes people super strong and can heal people (but apparently not make tumors disappear; strange), but also makes the immune system so hostile to invaders that pregnant women's immune systems go into overdrive and that's why they all die.

I am getting sick of Locke and Kate. Locke's become Ben 2.0 and 1.0 is still around. Kate - eh, she's just not very nice. Which I think is how she always was, but since we were encouraged to start out from her point of view, didn't seem obvious at first. Maybe the writers are trying to tell us that people's basic nature doesn't change. If you were an asshole off the island, you'll be one on the island. Only circumstances make it difficult to tell which is which at first. Kinda like life.

Posted by: Slash at March 10, 2008 4:19 PM

We've got the Odd Couple in cabin one. Now we have Mr Roper in cabin two. The whole damn thing is Gilligan's Island. Me thinks the writing staff has spent some time watching TV Land.

Posted by: Ed Newman at March 10, 2008 4:47 PM

Ditto on the 'great recaps' comments - I look forward to reading the recaps and the comments almost as much as I look forward to the actual episodes. Also, my husband and I were bickering and I was unable to really focus on this episode (that stupid fucking douchebag!), so thanks again.

I have been thinking, even if the show goes to shit and we don't get proper answers and closure at the end, the writers, directors, producers and actors have done an amazing job. All of the little references are so interesting, it floors me how much research they must do. I am a huge Radiohead fan, and when Des got off the helicopter onto the freighter and said "I'm not here, this isn't happening" I got serious chills. Love the Slaughterhouse Five and Je t'aime, Je t'aime salutes, very high-brow. This show is so much better than anything else on right now.

I can't echo the thoughts on Juliet and Kate; even though I like Juliet more than I did, I still don't know that I trust her. The smug half-smile annoys me too, but I also like that she always has sad eyes, you really believe that hers is a tortured soul. I still like Kate, although I can appreciate that she is becoming more annoying. I like her and Sawyer together, which I guess is the stupid romantic dorkus in me.

Thanks, pajiba & pajibans!

Posted by: iheartlasagne at March 10, 2008 4:58 PM

Jesus. Does anyone else remember that the Others are bad guys? These ain't the fracking CYLONS, y'all. Juliet? Is beyond obnoxious; she's weak and smug. Also, she's all over Jack now? Naturally.

I changed the channel halfway through. Weakest episode so far.

Posted by: Jon at March 10, 2008 5:28 PM

I loved this episode...but only because I'm convinced that Ben's being obsessed with Juliet/Ben intentionally getting Goodwin killed/Juliet being worried about Ben killed Jack was meant to be seen as bullshit, part of the manipulations and machinations that form the games Ben & Juliet play with each other.

Posted by: S. A. Bonasi at March 10, 2008 6:09 PM

Say what you want, I found this episode brilliant although I can understand why people consider it weaker than previous episodes in the season. I feel however that the last episode while engaging drifted away from the core Lost mythology. Consciousness drifting through time? Wha...? Opens a whole new can of worms that I doubt the show will pursue in depth. This episode however told us large pieces of information about where the show is headed:

1. Widmore is The (New) Bad Guy now for all practical purposes. Ben I think will be reduced (for a little while) to the man behind the curtain who does not directly impact the plot of the show.

2. A war is coming. As shown in Sayid's flash forward episode, Ben is certainly going to make sure that it is finished in his favor.

Posted by: FourKings at March 10, 2008 7:52 PM

Oh, and forgot to mention. Michael Emerson was absolutely brilliant in this episode. His performance along with the revelations about the depths of his character alone make it one of my favorite Lost episodes. I thought it was great how it was a Juliet flashback episode, yet the revelations in the episode had little to do with her.

Posted by: FourKings at March 10, 2008 7:56 PM

Ben's as shifty as a shithouse rat but ya gotta love the way Michael Emerson plays him. I've actually warmed to Juliet and I used to hate her intensely. Juliet is the badass Kate would like to be but isn't. [I know some think criticism of Kate from women is jealousy-based but she really DOES fuck things up and with this episode I rest my case. How dumb is she anyway?] John Locke - come on man - you're one of my favourite characters but you're just getting played [again]. Yeah, I'd trust someone who shot me in cold blood too. Great episode and less confusing for me than The Constant. I love Desmond but the time travelling was doing my head in!

Posted by: Subi at March 11, 2008 12:52 AM

Goodwin's wife was not in the original flashbacked scene where the Others see the plane crash in s03e01. Retcon city.

No Dan, I will not let it go.

Posted by: Rob at March 11, 2008 2:04 AM

Please forgive me for nitpicking but:

it's "murder rap" not "murder wrap!"

Posted by: oaklandcat at March 11, 2008 2:34 AM

It's gotta be Michael. When we figured out the rescuers were on a boat just off the coast, and time moves faster on the island it started me wondering if that boat was the same one Ben sent Michael to when he turned him loose with WAAAAALT!

Posted by: Sally at March 11, 2008 8:20 AM

I forgot my favorite moment from this episode:

Jack: "You had a therapist?"

Juliet: "It's very stressful being an Other."

I don't much care for Juliet (mostly for the smugness others have mentioned), but that was great.

Posted by: Todd at March 11, 2008 9:20 AM

Favorite Ben moment: (Upon being served rabbit) "This didn't have a number on it, did it?"

mine too! did LOL.
i wonder if he gets negative overt behavior when he's out in public? he plays the despisable ben sooo well.

sigh... on the undousable torches.... guess it's island majik?

much as i love sawyer... i wonder whom he'll hook up w/now? won't be long before his houndawg nature becons him to howl.... and personally i can never get enuff of him on screen as close to the buff as is allowed.

i can't see sawyer w/claire plus her continuance as a character is in flux w/kate's future guardianship of aron ...
can't think of any other character already intro'd as a possible shag interest, especially if he stays native.

one last note... on the prego's dying... electromagnetism is a known to have detrimental effects to developing embrionic life. but still doesn't 'splain the mothers' deaths frm failed pregs.

Posted by: kikz at March 11, 2008 2:47 PM

Ben outdid himself in the sadistic little prick sweepstakes of this ep. Showing Juliet Goodwin's corpse was beyond evil.

"It's getting pretty old seeing Locke and Ben have the same conversation over and over. I always thought Locke was crazy." said someone else. I always thought that Locke was not so much crazy but in love with Ben. He comes off as a classic closet case. The one woman he would seem to be the perfect mate for, Danielle, did not attract him and there have been no other women on the island he's shown the slightest interest in. Helen was nothing more than his beard back home, and Ben probably knows it. Yet another reason why Ben has been set free by episode end.

Posted by: Matt at March 11, 2008 9:43 PM

I want Ben to get raped by a mime.

Posted by: Jerce at March 12, 2008 8:27 PM