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"Lost: Some Like It Hoth" (S5/E13) Recap / Daniel Carlson

TV Reviews | April 20, 2009 | Comments (68)

(N.B.: There’s no new episode of “Lost” this week; ABC is instead airing a clip show to catch viewers up on the season so far. The series returns with originals on April 29, meaning the next recap will run two weeks from today on Monday, May 4.)

“Some Like It Hoth,” written by Melinda Hsu Taylor and Greggory Nations and directed by Jack Bender, felt at times like a filler episode, which is a shame given how many major mysteries were revealed and the way it pointed to a resolution to the battle for the island that could be even more complex than imagined. But ultimately many parts of the episode felt a little flat, and it’s distressing to see Hurley be transformed from someone possessed of genuine wit into a grinning dunce.

And what the hell, let’s just hit the highlights this time around. I’m always up for trying something different. Discussion questions follow.

1. It’s revealed in the opening scene that Miles is the son of Dr. Pierre Chang (aka Marvin Candle), when he and his mother/Chang’s wife, Lara, are apartment hunting in the Valley in 1985. Why did Miles and his mother leave the island?

2. Miles was recruited by Charles Widmore via Naomi because he can communicate with the dead, but only if their bodies are intact; for instance, he fails when he tries to contact the spirit of a young man who was cremated. What specific person did Widmore want to supernaturally contact? Horace?

3. Miles investigates the corpse of a man named Felix and ascertains that Felix was killed while on his way to deliver paperwork to Widmore that included a purchase order for an old airplane and photos of empty graves. Tom showed Michael similar documents in “Meet Kevin Johnson” to prove the authenticity of his claims about Widmore. Did Tom kill Felix, or did he intercept the paperwork sometime after Felix’s death?

4. Horace gives Miles a package to deliver to Radzinsky that turns out to be a body bag for a corpse Radzinsky passes over to Miles. The dead man, Alvarez, was accidentally killed when an electromagnetic surged yanked a filling out of his tooth and through his brain. Miles took the body to the Orchid on Chang’s orders, but why would Chang want the body at the Orchid? Did they hope to revive him there? Study him? Ship his dead ass to Tunisia?

5. Hurley states that “the Ewoks sucked,” but he also thinks he can improve The Empire Strikes Back. Does his distaste for Return of the Jedi grant him license to tinker with Empire, or is he just an imbecile?

6. Seriously, Hurley was almost gleefully impaired in this episode, whether it was bragging about his sandwiches with secret garlic mayo or the way he kept pushing Miles to reconnect with his father, still alive and well in 1977. The point of any scripted story is to make intentionally coincidental happenings feel unexpected, but his attempts to rewrite a Star Wars sequel just to tie in with Miles’ own daddy issues were pathetic.

7. The best sequence of the entire episode was when Miles was kidnapped by a gang of masked assailants in a minivan under the direction of Bram, the thick-necked guy who helped Ilana knock out Frank Lapidus. Bram doesn’t want Miles working for Charles Widmore, saying that Miles is “working for the wrong team.” Bram and Ilana didn’t seem to be Ben’s allies, or at any rate they didn’t seem to recognize him, but now it turns out they’re no friend of Widmore’s, either. Are they DHARMA descendants, or a fourth party altogether? How many separate groups are vying for control of the island? Bram repeats the question about “what lies in the shadow of the statue,” saying that until Miles knows the answer, he won’t be ready for the island. How does the giant statue figure in? When Jack is cleaning up a classroom, he erases a lesson from the chalkboard about hieroglyphs, another tie-in with the statue and the carvings in the Temple.

8. Daniel Faraday shows back up! He arrives on the sub with a crew of scientists from Ann Arbor, which is presumably where DHARMA is based stateside. When did he leave the island? How did he infiltrate their ranks to become one of their doctors?

Okay, have at it.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a TV critic for The Hollywood Reporter. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.


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Comments

Wasn't the whole point of the season not starting until the end of January so that they could show all/only new episodes with no repeats/filler clips shows? COME ON ABC WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE FOOLING? This is the second week without a new episode. Lame.

Posted by: Rachel at April 20, 2009 2:06 PM

1. Adult Miles tells his father about the Purge and he sends his wife and son off-island so they are safe? Miles is responsible for the fatherless childhood he so resented?

Posted by: Rachel at April 20, 2009 2:10 PM

I always liked Miles for some reason, but his character is sort of a douche. Just like his father, which was awesomely pointed out by Hurley. I still think there's more to his story though. It has to be more than a coincidence that Miles was born on the island and then was recruited to come back to it. Did he remember his time on the island? Was it a shock at all when he learned who his father was?

Posted by: kelsy at April 20, 2009 2:11 PM

Seriously, I wanted to beat the living hell out Hurley this week. I would probably make him smarter. I was one of the people who thought Illana and Co. were working for Widmore so now I have no idea. They could be DHARMA or OG Others.

Was I the only one that laughed when Miles was going through his Rufio phase?

Posted by: jM at April 20, 2009 2:13 PM

1. I have a feeling Miles is going to say something about the Extermination, and Dr Chang is gonna boot his wife and son off the Island so they'll be safe...and he'll stay around with his people, or something.

5. "Is furry." I hated most of that dialogue, but this was hilarious.

7. I'm not too happy about yet ANOTHER group being introduced. DON'T WE HAVE ENOUGH, ALREADY? Yes, yes we do. Now we're gonna get filler episodes of each of these people and that won't be good.

Posted by: figgy at April 20, 2009 2:16 PM

I just about crapped my pants when Faraday popped up out of the submarine. And that he knows Miles. It has become predictable that there will be some sort of shocker at the end of each episode, but they still manage to make it surprising. I love this show.

I found Hurley to be a little annoying in this episode, which is always disappointing.

And I totally missed the intro while I was hurrying to get my dinner ready before the show started. Now I know that my husband did a very poor job of relaying to me what had happened, since I didn't know the Miles/Chang reveal happened right at the beginning of this episode.

Posted by: katy at April 20, 2009 2:19 PM

Oh, and why does Ben's dad keep making messes that he's gonna have to eventually clean up? Job security?

Posted by: jM at April 20, 2009 2:19 PM

I kind of hoped he'd just start throwing things at Jack. Janitor Jack cracks me the hell up.

Also, how monumentally stupid is Kate? Going up to Roger and being her usual, horrible liar self and practically giving the whole game away? What, not getting enough male attention, you moron? She just makes me so angry EVERY episode. I thought it Jack was going to be the one messing things up, but I guess Kate is just as much of an idiot. Oh, I hate her.

And I'm so glad someone finally beat up creepy security guy. I don't like him. But how's Sawyer gonna explain that?

Also-also, why does NO ONE ELSE know that babyBen was shot and is now missing? How is that possible?

Posted by: figgy at April 20, 2009 2:25 PM

I am FINALLY CAUGHT UP. And to think a month and a half ago I was finishing season three.

Kate continues to make silly mistakes that make me want to feed her to the polar bears. And I usually like Hurley's humor, but he was grating in this one.

Perhaps Miles was recruited to talk to the ghost of his father...I still don't know what to make of Dr. Chang.

Posted by: Julie at April 20, 2009 2:25 PM

I'm another one who wonders why the red alert hasn't been sounded for BabyBen's return. They freak out about everything else, but nothing on this one?

Posted by: katy at April 20, 2009 2:27 PM

I also about pooped when Faraday popped up out of the sub at the end and said, "Hello, Miles." WTF??? Dude is exactly the same!!

Question: If coming back to the island after leaving as a child killed Charlotte, why hasn't it killed Miles? What is different about him/her?

jM bwhahaha!! Just caught your "Rufio" line....RUFIO!! RUFIO!!

Posted by: dammitjanet at April 20, 2009 2:27 PM

For me, the great highlight of the episode:

Chang: Miles, I need you.
A tearful Miles: You do???

Damn. I can't hate Miles anymore.

Posted by: ShinyKate at April 20, 2009 2:34 PM

5. Hurley is an imbecile; Empire is a perfect film. The Ewoks rule. Oh, and Hurley didn't even get the order right on the severing of Luke's hand and Vader telling him that he was his father.

7. They might be a separate group, but I wouldn't dismiss them as being on Ben's side quite yet. There was something a little too casual about that exchange before Ben left the camp. It was Ben's people who built the runway, after all. I think the Others are going to find out the origin of Sawyer and company and prepare for the future. The final piece in the puzzle would be finding out from Mrs. Hawking the exact flight to Guam that could get them back.


katy>> Of course Faraday knows Miles. They were on the freighter together and time-skipped together with Juliet and Sawyer before Faraday left.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 20, 2009 2:35 PM

I liked how Miles worked out his father's identity for himself, not making a big fuss about it. No big reveal, no shock and denial, just a "Oh, hey, it's my dad." If nothing else, this episode made me respect his character even more.

Oh and also, FUCK YOU HURLEY, I LIKE THE EWOKS.

Posted by: SJ at April 20, 2009 2:35 PM

dammitjanet>> It wasn't the mere coming back that killed Charlotte. It was the island's time-skipping that killed her. Since she had spent the most time on the island, it affected her the most quickly. Once Locke fixed the donkey wheel, that problem was solved.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 20, 2009 2:37 PM

Tsk, tsk, Daniel. I don't like this new format. No fun.
2. Maybe he thought Miles would be able to communicate with Jacob?
3. I have always had the feeling that someone was playing "both sides" (Wid vs Ben), so i think they took the paper work from Widmore's peeps to Ben's folk.
4. Maybe they wanted to use his body for testing. What if they wanted to throw him through time to see if they could bring him back to life? Nah...
7. I'm just not sure about this whole "shadow of the statue" business, but I found a very interesting theory based on the poem "On A Stupendous Leg of Granite" by Horace Smith:
"In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows.
"I am great Ozymandias," saith the stone,
"The King of kings: this mighty city shows
The wonders of my hand." The city's gone!
Naught but the leg remaining to disclose
The sight of that forgotten Babylon.
We wonder, and some hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when through the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the wolf in chase,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What wonderful, but unrecorded, race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place."
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Shadow_of_the_Statue

Posted by: Patty O'Green at April 20, 2009 2:39 PM

So because this episode was a little sub-par you skimped us on the review? Not cool. Go back to the old style. For some reason I REALLY look forward to these monday posts.

Posted by: Handel at April 20, 2009 2:40 PM

Question: If coming back to the island after leaving as a child killed Charlotte, why hasn't it killed Miles? What is different about him/her?

Well, when I think the time traveling was affected Charlotte the worst because she had been on the Island the longest (when she was a kid). And when Locke turned the wheel it wasn't in tie to save Charlotte, but it was before anyone else became more damaged by time traveling.

Posted by: jM at April 20, 2009 2:40 PM

Yeah, what Darth said.

Posted by: jM at April 20, 2009 2:41 PM

katy>> Of course Faraday knows Miles. They were on the freighter together and time-skipped together with Juliet and Sawyer before Faraday left.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 20, 2009 2:35 PM

Yeah, but...but...these things still confuse me. I was thinking of Faraday's flash back to finding the island-moving wheel during construction of the Orchid. But I suppose that can fit in sometime between his current return to the island and when we saw the flash back. I'll admit to still understanding only about 85% of this whole thing, so I'm easily confused.

Posted by: katy at April 20, 2009 2:44 PM

Despite his being more thickheaded than usual, I enjoyed Hurley in this episode. He was totally wrong about fixing TESB though. There is nothing to fix. Just get to work on fixing ROTJ, dude.

And I liked the new more-confident Faraday. I think it would have been exceedingly easy for him to infiltrate Dharma. He already knows most of the results of the experiments and he is a brilliant guy all on his own. Plus the guy knows exactly how much to reveal without revealing too much. Not surprising that Miles wouldn't know he was coming back either since he and the scientists "don't run in the same circles". As Dan has pointed out in previous recaps it seems that the 1974-77 Losties grew a lot more than the O6. I think Faraday's "growth" story will be the most satisfying of all.

And bring on more seperate groups to the power struggle for the Island! My brain was fried long ago, let's throw in some cayenne and blacken that bitch.

Posted by: ed newman at April 20, 2009 2:45 PM

Why did Miles and his mother left the island?

So Miles wouldn't lose his language skills?

Seriously though, I like the idea that Miles himself is responsible.

What specific person did Widmore wants to supernaturally contact? Horace?

An editor?

(Sorry Daniel, I can't help myself.)

My guess is Jacob.

Did Tom kill Felix, or did he intercept the paperwork sometime after Felix’s death? Vote for Tom.

Miles took the body to the Orchid on Chang’s orders, but why would Chang want the body at the Orchid? Did they hope to revive him there?

There is definitely something going on with dead bodies being passed around, but I haven't figured out anything yet.

Does his distaste for Return of the Jedi grant him license to tinker with Empire, or is he just an imbecile?

I don't think Hurley is an imbecile at all, though he does seem simple minded at times. It goes along with his comic book geekiness that he'd think he could improve upon TESB. As for the way he pushed Miles' daddy issue, I thought Hurley was rather insightful.

Best moment of the show was the look Miles shot at Chang when he said he preferred country.

Posted by: Cindy at April 20, 2009 2:47 PM

figgy: glad to know I'm not the only one who starts the countdown to screw-up once Kate comes on screen. Ever read the book 'Bless the Beasts and Children'? Kate is a perfect example of a ding.

Posted by: ponch at April 20, 2009 2:49 PM

Bram and Ilana didn’t seem to be Ben’s allies, or at any rate they didn’t seem to recognize him...

I still think they work for Ben, though it might be through a third party. Could even be Tom.

As for Daniel, the more we have seen of him, the more I've come to distrust him and his motives. I don't necessarily see him as a good guy any longer, and I think that mild-mannered-ness is misleading.

Posted by: Cindy at April 20, 2009 2:52 PM

I also about pooped when Faraday popped up out of the sub at the end and said, "Hello, Miles." WTF??? Dude is exactly the same!!

Why should he be different? He's only gone on a sub trip, not time-traveling (save the slight on/off island differential).

Posted by: Cindy at April 20, 2009 2:55 PM

I enjoyed Miles up to now in a perverse way, just because he's such an asshole. But after this one I have a clearer insight into why he's an ass, and I actually like him/feel for him. I never gave any thought into what it would be like to hear the dead. Plus, I totally called that he was Chang's son. (Even though I'm a Brit, I like to use 'totally' when I gloat...)

I also liked the little scene when Hurley matter-of-factly tells Miles he's seen dead people.

A filling tugged out and shot through one's brain by an electro-magenetic surge? Thanks so much, Lost, for that visual. Yikes!

Posted by: Tarn at April 20, 2009 3:04 PM

As for Daniel, the more we have seen of him, the more I've come to distrust him and his motives. I don't necessarily see him as a good guy any longer, and I think that mild-mannered-ness is misleading.

Agreed. We also know that he's not above potentially harming others for the sake of his experiments. The other characters are operating within the limits of their immediate circumstances, but Faraday is the only one of them that seems to have an idea of the bigger picture at hand. Though, in my opinion, he has one of the worst poker faces ever. He should work on that.

Posted by: jM at April 20, 2009 3:09 PM

All this skipping thru time, seeing yourself as a child, trying to fix things without disrupting too much of the future makes me miss Sam Beckett.....

Posted by: dammitjanet at April 20, 2009 3:12 PM

....and Al.....and Ziggy....

Posted by: dammitjanet at April 20, 2009 3:12 PM

...but Faraday is the only one of them that seems to have an idea of the bigger picture at hand.

Now that I'm thinking about it, perhaps Daniel and Mumsy (Hawking) could be a third party in the upscoming "war". But I'd still bank on Ben being behind Ilana and Bram. I'd like to know what Faraday's endgame is. And you are absolutely right about his facial expressions, jM.

Posted by: Cindy at April 20, 2009 3:18 PM

Wow, this new format for Lost recaps, it's kinda going from one extreme to the other, isn't it? And I actually quite liked the episode. Don't have much to add - am starting to like Miles, didn't think Hurley was any different from his usual self (though you're right, why would he want to tinker with The Empire Strikes Back?), am intrigued by Ilana and Bram, and was also confused when Daniel showed up, so had to check Lostpedia.

Posted by: Thijs at April 20, 2009 3:42 PM

Question: Has it occurred to anyone else that Sawyer/Juliet/Miles' behavior regarding time travel and changing the future is a little strange? I know Faraday said you can't change the past, and he may very well be right, but they never even try. How could they not even try?

Their whole, "there's no point trying to warn/communicate/etc people because it's already happened" thing seems like a tremendous leap of faith on all of their parts. What got me thinking about it was the Oracle's line to Neo in the first Matrix: "Ohh, what's really going to bake your noodle later on is, would you still have broken it if I hadn't said anything?"

If we are suspecting a (slightly more) sinister Faraday, wouldn't it perhaps suit his needs to NOT have the other three pissing about with the time stream?

BTW, it does make a certain amount of sense that the "shadow of the statue" (SOS) group is connected to Ben. After all, only Eloise seemed to know how to get back to the Island and they were ready with the plane. And they knew where the Dharma guns were (which, come to think of it makes it just as likely that they're part of Dharma).

Thoughts?

Posted by: cmr at April 20, 2009 3:51 PM

"Ditch had a gun?"

Classic.

I want to like Hurley, that good-natured crazy-ass oaf, but if he tries to play geek once more and even suck at it (+ 200 viewings and still getting the severed-hand-I'm-your-daddy order wrong??) he can go and sniff some with Horace & co.

Rant over.

Sawyer, you've just become the leader, berated Jack for reacting instead of thinking, and now your answer to creepy Phil's VHS waving is a fist in the face? You could've been so happy with Juliet for years to come. Sad.

Juliet's "Here we go". Who's not going to leave the island in time before "The Incident"? My money's on her.

Posted by: Adere at April 20, 2009 4:00 PM

But I'd still bank on Ben being behind Ilana and Bram.

Oh yeah, and even if they aren't with him, I'm sure he's got something up his sleeve. I don't see Ben "I always have a plan" Linus being Locke's lackey, even if it is under Smokey's orders. Eloise could definitely be a third party player. I don't think she would sit idly by and watch Ben and Widmore fight over — and potentially harm — the Island. It would be interesting if she was pitting them against one another hoping that they might just get rid of each other.

Posted by: jM at April 20, 2009 4:05 PM

I just have to say that I don't buy Kate as "1977" for two reasons: 1) her hair and 2) her clothes. For one thing, curly hairy hair didn't exist in 1977. If you had curly hair, you straightened it. It's the only time in my life that my naturally lifeless, stick straight hair has been in fashion. For another thing, form fitting, cap-sleeved t-shirts also didn't exist in 1977. In 1977, there wasn't any such thing as "men's t-shirts" and "women's t-shirts" - there were just t-shirts and they most defiintely didn't hug anybody's curves unless that person was really fat. The really fashionable t-shirts had arm and neck bands in colors that were a couple of shades darker than the color of the shirt. You know what else the really cool t-shirts had? Iron-ons. Especially ones with unicorns and rainbows or "keep on truckin" logos. I rocked an awesome iron-on festooned t-shirt when I was in third grade. Mine had rainbow hearts.

Posted by: Elsie at April 20, 2009 4:20 PM

I like the highlights format.

Posted by: Maggie Sullivan at April 20, 2009 4:46 PM

i am so bummed that it won't be new this week.
i enjoyed this episode for the most part tho...
definitely called the chang/miles relationship.
hurley was amusing at points (like when he chided miles about being jealous b/c his power is better)
but i could have done without his blatant attempt to bring miles and daddy together.
kate drives me nuts..i won't even start.
(oh, & please revert back to the old format for recaps)

Posted by: gem at April 20, 2009 5:06 PM

I was so looking forward to having "douche" attached to every mention of Miles. Very disappointing.

Posted by: Lee at April 20, 2009 5:06 PM

I can't believe you didn't like this episode. I have been yelling at the tv for months to "give me a MILES EPISODE!" and it finally came through. I demand that you all give the Miles episode the respect it deserves.

Seriously, he was really interesting last season (he was the only one to notice anything strange about Claire, for instance), and then this season he just became Sawyer's yes-man. So, thank you, ABC.

I don't understand why anyone would be confused that Faraday looks the same getting out of the sub. Why wouldn't he? Everyone else does. The flash-forward to the Orchid station that we saw earlier this season clearly happened somewhere between 1974-1977, although it's true we don't know exactly when yet. I was more surprised that he was sane. I really thought he was tied up in a straitjacket somewhere on-island.

Posted by: jkate at April 20, 2009 5:22 PM

Add me to the list of those who are bummed about this format. I look forward to your recaps, but I guess you deserve a break.

I thought it was a good episode, but not great. I am glad that they confirmed suspicions of Chang being Miles' father, and I look forward to seeing how that develops.

Posted by: Alli at April 20, 2009 6:04 PM

Ok, my comment about Faraday was because, well, he just frickin' VANISHED! I didn't know if he'd run off into the jungle, teleported out somewhere, jumped in the TARDIS or the DeLorean and skedaddled, or what. I guess I just expected, maybe, another version of him. Jeez, people, I'm just as confused as you all are!!

Posted by: dammitjanet at April 20, 2009 6:11 PM

I like Miles. He's becoming one of my faves. And I liked Hurley here, too. I thought he was funny. I don't get the Ewok hate, though. Maybe it's to demonstrate that Hurley is, after all, certifiable.

I know one thing: If Sawyer and Kate end up happily ever after instead of Sawyer and blonde doctor, I'm gonna be pissed. I'm over Kate. She's bad news.

Posted by: Slash at April 20, 2009 6:13 PM

I was soooo looking forward to this review. I could only imagine the lines that Daniel would come up with in regards to Miles looking like Rufio (I thought that too jM!!) and the, "the ditch have a gun?" remark.

Needless to say I am highly disappointed.

Posted by: ashes at April 20, 2009 7:07 PM

Bram and Ilana didn’t seem to be Ben’s allies, or at any rate they didn’t seem to recognize him, but now it turns out they’re no friend of Widmore’s, either. Are they DHARMA descendants, or a fourth party altogether? How many separate groups are vying for control of the island?
It appears that everyone in the world has forgotten about The Hanso Foundation. (Hint: hold your mouse over the text.)

Posted by: Jerce at April 20, 2009 7:47 PM

It's cool that we still get these recaps after finding out only a third of the pajibians care about Lost. I just hope when there is a show that more of us are into comes along it gets this kind of love. Maybe when Dexter starts up again?

Posted by: EricD at April 20, 2009 7:54 PM

Oh, and just to set the record straight:

The Ewoks do suck. They were clearly a tacked-on attempt to market cutesy toys and such. Say what you like about any other aspect of Star Wars in general or that movie in particular; but the Ewoks fucking suck and always have. Remember the singing at the end? They SUCK.

Carry on.

Posted by: Jerce at April 20, 2009 8:00 PM

Count me among the Miles lovers.

cmr, I don't think it's a matter of Sawyer and some of the other characters not trying to do anything to change the future - I think they're just doing whatever they need to do to survive. Meanwhile, Jack clearly thought he was letting little Ben die. Sayid thought he was changing something by trying to kill Ben. At this particular time, what would any of them know to do to change something? Kate and Sawyer did everything they could to save little Ben regardless of what would change or stay the same. Juliet - well, I still don't trust her, and I'm not sure how in the dark she is about everything - so I can't say what she's doing or not doing (or why).

Perhaps if they come upon dire enough circumstances or a recognizable moment in time, they will try to change something. And perhaps them trying to change it will actually cause it to be the way it was. As a couple of people speculated, Miles himself may be the cause of him never having a father (figuratively speaking).

It would be interesting if she was pitting them against one another hoping that they might just get rid of each other.

I love this idea. Certainly there is more to come from and to learn about Mrs. Hawking.

Posted by: Cindy at April 20, 2009 8:18 PM

When exactly did Hurley become a mildly retarded social misfit? Was it the time skips that addled him? I usually enjoy the banter between him and Miles, but not this week. And who under the age of 50 uses the word "nitwit" as an insult?

Not a great episode...i was hoping for something a bit more intriguing cuz I kind of enjoy douchey Miles. The 'what lies in the shadow of the statue' bit was my favorite scene as well. Good season..though not as good as season 4. Here's hoping for a strong finish.

Posted by: stryker1121 at April 20, 2009 8:54 PM

You know what? I actually liked the episode until I read Daniel's review and then I remembered how much Hurley fucking pissed me off. He could be SUCH great character but I feel like the writers are running out of things for him to do and he's become this horrible stereotyped idiotic misfit. I still like the episode, just not Hurley.

Reasons I liked the episode?

1. Miles. I know you don't have a huge affinity for Miles Dan but I loved that dude, douchbaginess and all, from day one. He's awesome and I'm so glad we finally got some backstory PLUS I put the Chang/Miles scene where Miles started to cry in one of my top 5 emotional Lost scenes. The first is Deus Ex Machina where Locke is left banging on the hatch paralleled with the death of Boone(tears were streaming down my face).

2. The return of Daniel Farrady. That guy is gonna have an awesome story, I can just feel it.

3. Kate. I love when I'm given another reason to yell and bitch Kate out. Hating her more makes my life better for some reason. However I am NOT cool with Kate stealing Sawyer away from Juliet, that is NOT cool Kate.

4. The van kidnap scene. I like this Bram fellow and it was an intense and interesting scene, but I am slightly opposed to a new group being. introduced.

I have no theories on the mystery of the statue but I do like hearing everyone elses and that poem was extremely interesting. Also, does anyone else find Horace's voice extremely calming and pleasant to listen to? He never raises his voice and it has such a hypnotic tone.

Posted by: citizen_cris at April 20, 2009 9:13 PM

I hope Dan keeps doing the recaps. Even if a lot of people don't watch the show, look at the number of comments on these posts! we're a very vocal bunch!

Posted by: figgy at April 20, 2009 9:25 PM

"It don't matter that some fool say he different"
Which Wire character was that line by? ...D'Angelo Barksdale?

Posted by: oskar667 at April 20, 2009 9:53 PM

WHAT?! I LOVED this episode! My undying devotion might be the cause, but I can never get enough Miles.

"That douche is my dad."

I snorted pretty loudly when he said that. So that's where Miles gets his douchiness.

And wasn't Baby Miles the cutest thing this episode!

Posted by: Amanda at April 20, 2009 11:07 PM

The theory that Miles warns his own father that everybody dies is a good one - you need to see the Dharma Booth Video (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dharma_booth_video)

Chang knows he is going to die, and probably kicked out his wife and child for that reason - but I would guess his source was Daniel, not Miles, and I expect we'll get some Daniel action within a few weeks (the next ep is called the variable - sounds 'Daniel' to me)

Posted by: Tarquin at April 21, 2009 1:44 AM

I too do not like this style of review, please go back... I figured we all had to wait till Monday for you to finish writing it up, but we could have got this one last week. Still, you probably have an excuse. Someone mentioned Sawyer was stupid for knocking out creepy Phil, well reginald, I disagree. Sawyer was cool to do that and I think he pretty much had no other choice. Plus it's fairly easy for the head of security to cover a member of his own team disappearing for a bit.

Posted by: Shabewm at April 21, 2009 3:57 AM

"Jar Jar Binks make the Ewoks look like fucking Shaft."--Spaced

Posted by: coveredinbees at April 21, 2009 5:23 AM

Shabewm, maybe not stupid, but it isn't well thought through either. Now he has set things in motion ans as for now, he doesn't really seem to have a plan to get his friends out of Craphole and/or Dharma time. He condemned himself to react now.

But who are we kidding, actually, only adult Ben up till now gave the impression to think two steps ahead.

Posted by: Adere at April 21, 2009 7:14 AM

The theory that Miles warns his own father that everybody dies is a good one - you need to see the Dharma Booth Video (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dharma_booth_video)

Chang knows he is going to die, and probably kicked out his wife and child for that reason - but I would guess his source was Daniel, not Miles, and I expect we'll get some Daniel action within a few weeks (the next ep is called the variable - sounds 'Daniel' to me)

Yeah, but if you watch the Dharma Booth video you'll hear that Daniel is the one filming Chang's message. So I'm betting on Daniel being the one who tells Change about the Purge, especially since he's also the person who tried to warn Charlotte against coming back to the island. ALSO, in the the video Chang begs whoever watches it to re-establish the Dharma Initiative in an effort to save the island. SO, I'm thinking Ilana and Bram are either revamped Dharma or they belong to another group alltogether (like descendents of the island's original inhabitants).

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2009 9:40 AM

I had forgotten about the Hanso Foundation, but weren't they just the corporate backers of the Dharma Initiative?

Posted by: katy at April 21, 2009 12:01 PM

I saved reading this recap until this morning because I love them and wanted to be able to concentrate. Stupid busy Mondays.
I don't like this new format business. If I hadn't watched the episode I would be even more displeased. I will gladly wait a day or two more for the recap if the writer is slammed and just can't get it done. This sucked.

Posted by: king at April 21, 2009 1:27 PM

I feel like a lot of you are missing the point of Hurley re-writing Empire.
Of course it's a perfect film, but WHATEVER HAPPENED, HAPPENED. The Star Wars sequel we all know and love is as perfect as it is BECAUSE it was ghostwritten by Hugo Reyes.
It's not that Hurley is screwing with our Empire, it's that he saw a different, weaker version of the film than we did.

Posted by: geekchicohio at April 21, 2009 1:44 PM

Unrelated conundrum!

Widmore told Locke he needed to get in touch with Eloise Hawking about getting back to the Island, and Ben found this out right before he killed Locke. If Ben is so plan-crafty wouldn't he be nervous about using Widmore's information? What if part of Widmore's plan is getting Ben back to the Island? Or what if Widmore knew all along that Locke had to die?

Then it almost seems like Ben knew Widmore knew and that's why Ben was going to kill Locke again.

Posted by: Stew at April 21, 2009 1:54 PM

Just cuz I want to...

1. Ewoks suck.
2. Kate is an idiot.
3. TWITCHY IS BACK! (that's my term of endearment for Faraday).

Posted by: qtp2t at April 21, 2009 4:46 PM

This review makes me sad. I was hoping for some "Miles douchily did such and such," "douchy Miles...", "douche douche," then BANG, "DOUCHE DAD." Validation.

Posted by: Not Goldie at April 21, 2009 9:01 PM

i was thinking about the scene with miles and the father that pays him to talk to his dead son. maybe miles could hear him, but lied about what the son was saying to his father... just a thought. also, i was sad about the short review, this is one of my favorite parts of this site, and my mondays!

Posted by: Betty at April 21, 2009 11:37 PM

Last word: the Ewoks rule. "Yub nub" owns all of you.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 22, 2009 2:40 PM

Late to the party this week but didn't ANYONE think it was awesome that Hurley saw them building the hatch. You cannot tell me you weren't reciting the numbers along with the workers. The episode was a bit fillery but that scene was just fantastic.

Posted by: TylerDFC at April 22, 2009 4:21 PM

geekchicohio>> Cute, but your logic does not work. If "whatever happened, happened" and what you say is true, then Hurley would not have been able to see any different version of Empire Strikes Back than the one that he himself wrote. It's paradoxical and impossible for him to have seen Lucas' movie and then create a corrected version.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 23, 2009 1:50 PM

Just thought of an interesting coincidence. Anyone remember back a few seasons when Ben made Kate go to a nice breakfast with him, and gave her a dress to wear? Wasn't it kind of seventies-style dress? Maybe he was reminiscing over his childhood crush on the girl who saved his life?

Posted by: jennifer at April 23, 2009 2:25 PM