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Is David Simon's "Treme" Worth the Effort?

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under TV Reviews | Comments (55)



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If there’s one thing that “Treme” demonstrates, it’s that David Simon is not infallible. For all that is great and wonderful and heartbreaking about “Treme,” it is not a perfect show. It’s not “The Wire.” “The Wire” deftly used local color to support the narrative and inform the characters. “Treme” uses character and narrative to inform the local color. “The Wire” was a puzzle you put together over the course of each season. “Treme” is a mosaic that you stand back and gaze upon. “Treme” is about New Orleans. Everything else — the character and the story — exists only to explore the city in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

The extent to which you ultimately like, or even love “Treme” will depend on your interest in the culture, the attitude, the politics, and even the food of New Orleans. “Treme” is a study — a sometimes self-indulgent one — in the city, often to the exclusion of the characters and the story. With “The Wire,” David Simon stretched the boundaries of narrative structure; in “Treme,” he all but ignores narrative structure. It is aimless and wandering — it’s a ten-hour slice of life set to the music of that city.

And despite what David Simon would have you believe, criticizing his show doesn’t make you dumb. Simon is brilliant, but he’s a little full of his own genius in “Treme.” He can put you right smack inside a New Orleans jazz club, but he neglects to consider that the average television viewer — even a very intelligent one — might not necessarily want to spend their time in a New Orleans jazz club. Twenty-five percent of every episode is devoted to the music of New Orleans, and those extended musical interludes don’t move the characters or the story forward: They strangle what little narrative momentum Simon builds throughout the series. Likewise with the parades: One parade is informative, five parades is a little arrogant.

Indeed, nothing much happens in “Treme,” and the one significant character development in the series — as heartbreaking as it was — ultimately wasn’t particularly consistent with the character. The performances are brilliant, every last one of them. But then, most of the characters aren’t there to relay a story; they’re there to inform a certain aspect of New Orleans’ culture.

The question is: Is “Treme” worth watching? As a history lesson in post-Katrina New Orleans, it absolutely is. It’s as good a historical artifact of a certain time and place as you are likely to see. “Treme” very much captures the lives, the struggles, and even the occasional high point in the city’s progression in the six months following the hurricane that devastated the area. It was a painful time for the citizens of the city, struggling to find lost relatives, to keep their restaurants open, to bring back former residents, to deal with the political corruption, and to keep the vibrant New Orleans culture alive. “Treme” captures all of that: the pathos, the loss, and the fleeting joy that comes with the small victories.

If you’re at all a curious person, that alone should make the show very much worth visiting. But it doesn’t make “Treme” a particularly engrossing narrative. There are dead spots in the show that last for episodes. Character progression is incremental, at best. In some cases, characters — and their circumstances — are little changed from the beginning of the series to the end of the series. Is that reality? Of course. Does it make a particularly compelling narrative? Not always. But as visual documentation, it is invaluable.









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Comments

Just answering the question posed in the title...


FUCK. YES.

Posted by: PissBoy at June 22, 2010 11:40 AM

i never really understood the way people prostrate themselves before The Wire. It seemed like a competent crime dama, watchable, forgettable.

Treme is a work of art and holds you enthralled. The Wire fits into a genre, a bloated genre, whereas Treme stands alone, a unique visionary creation.

I have wondered what audiences think. I can imagine people not getting it. Most of the criticisms in this review are what seemed to me to be the strengths. The focus on music. The players as exposition for the city itself. the tangible realness of it. The willingness to let things unfold instead of asking how each minute advances the plot.

At first, I thought there was no plot, and I was ok with that because the show was so riveting even without traditional plot, but it seems to me, if you view it as a ten hour movie, then it does have a plot. maybe not one that fits neatly into the formulas taught in a first year creative writing class, but definitely a progression and order. Each of the groups of characters start out diverse and each slowly ends up focused on a struggle to reclaim the city in the face of negligence, corruption and capitalist opportunism.

I've really never seen anything this rich on television before. It's fresh in my mind, as I've only just watched it. It blew me away enough to post about it on my own blog, despite feeling more than a little silly bothering to write about television. I hope audiences appreciate it, it would open entire new territory for television.

Posted by: idleprimate at June 22, 2010 11:50 AM

You lost me the second you called The Wire forgettable.

Posted by: wiggles at June 22, 2010 12:03 PM

I liked the pilot, but I don't have HBO so I lost touch. But the music was enough to entice me forever.

And I'll have to disagree, idleprimate. There are scenes and lines and characters from The Wire that will pop in my head at random moments and affect me all over again. Not forgettable for me at all. But you've made a great case for Treme. :)

Posted by: Julie at June 22, 2010 12:06 PM

RE: Being Plotless...

Who knows...maybe the first season, while being abso-FUCKING-lutely fantastic from top to bottom was meant more as an intro to the setting, culture, people, and attitude while maintaining the small plot here and there (Damo, Creighton Bernette, Big Chief). Could the full exposition begin in season 2 kinda like Xmen 2 was better than Xmen?

Do i give a shit? No. Will be watching it anyway.

Posted by: PissBoy at June 22, 2010 12:07 PM

Treme is literature on television. No, there isn't much plot. But the progression and changes in the characters is what makes the show so intriguing and it is worth it for that alone. The acting is phenomenal, the music is fantastic, and the way the show just drops you in the middle of it all with no exposition-spouting character is refreshing.

Treme is the best new show of the year. Boardwalk Empire may give it a run come this fall, but I don't see it happening. I didn't realize quite how much I loved the show and the characters until the gut wrenching finale. When Toni angrily says "He fucking quit!" it was even more heartbreaking than the breakdown in the truck. Same with Jeanetta, LaDonna, Annie, Albert, Davis, etc. They all moved forward from where we first found them. Some incrementally, some in more profound ways.

And the death was built to early on. I could see that one coming as soon as he left the parade during Mardi Gras. I hoped against it, but it wasn't surprising in the least.

The show is amazing people. There are plenty of shows with stories-of-the-week, procedurals, etc. I don't think I could take an entire schedule full of shows like Treme, but as a more heady an dintellectual break from the norm, it is outstanding stuff.

Posted by: TylerDFC at June 22, 2010 12:08 PM

As a retired cop, who works in Baltimore,lives in the 'burbs, and had family in New Orleans...

Watched all of both series. Loved both for different reasons. As my wife is a school administrator, my/our favorite season of The Wire was the school-based season (Season 3 ?)

Loved the fact that Steve Earle was in both series (and Justin Townes Earle, his son, in Treme), and the use of certain actors from The Wire were in Treme.

Looking forward to finding a complete listing of all of the music featured in Treme. Now that would be a playlist !

Posted by: OldLawman at June 22, 2010 12:12 PM

I will definitely give it a go, when I find out when/where it's playing over here. I wasn't a massive fan of The Wire, although I appreciated it and thought season 4 was amazing. It's not something I would watch over and over though.

Posted by: Carrie at June 22, 2010 12:12 PM

I don't have HBO, so I haven't been watching this.

Based on this sentence:

The extent to which you ultimately like, or even love, “Treme” will depend on your interest in the culture, the attitude, the politics, and even the food of New Orleans.

I don't think I will be Netflixing it either. I really don't have much interest in the culture or anything else of New Orleans. I have never been there and don't really have much desire to.

Also, I am really not that big into music of any type. I am sure I would be bored by the 25% of the show that's devoted to music.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at June 22, 2010 12:13 PM

BTW, for those that watched Treme's entire season, this is a good season wrap up interview with David Simon.

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/interview-treme-co-creator-david-simon-post-mortems-season-one

Posted by: TylerDFC at June 22, 2010 12:13 PM

idleprimate, couldn't help but notice that you said The Wire, "seemed like a competent drama". I take it then, you've not seen the entire run of the show. That would explain your confusion as to why people prostrate themselves before it.

All the elements (except the music) you praise regarding Treme are evident in The Wire, except that The Wire is also meticulously and richly plotted. I enjoy Treme but it's certainly an inferior show.

Also the fact that you feel silly writing about television makes me think little of your opinions.

Posted by: Jay at June 22, 2010 12:18 PM

I can only watch Treme on TiVo, because after 30 seconds of jazz, I'm over it. I do enjoy the show but I'm pretty sure I would have given up by now had it not been for the fast-forward button.

I also think the Creighton Bernette story arc was terribly wrong. It was not believable -- not John Goodman's fault -- just an implausible story given what we were told about the character.

I'll keep watching, because it took me awhile to get hooked on The Wire, and because it's refreshing to see realistic characters. But I wish they would use the music instead of just showcasing it. A love-letter to New Orleans isn't going to be compelling watching for much longer.

Posted by: Wednesday at June 22, 2010 12:20 PM

i never really understood the way people prostrate themselves before The Wire. It seemed like a competent crime dama, watchable, forgettable.

Treme is a work of art and holds you enthralled. The Wire fits into a genre, a bloated genre, whereas Treme stands alone, a unique visionary creation.

Fyi, idleprimate, as someone who has been on the internet now for a long time, let me give you a bit of advice: That is probably the worst way to really open your defense/case for how great a TV show/movie/book or whatever is.

You really should never, ever start such a thing by slamming anohter TV show/movie/book you know to be highly regarded/beloved. It's totally unnecessary, adds nothing to your point about ths show you like, will immediately puts fans of said thing on the defensive and just side-tracks the entire discussion.

You would have been much better served to start simply with: "Treme is a work of art and holds you enthralled" and gone from there.

It's not just you, mind you. People do it all the time and it always ends the same...

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at June 22, 2010 12:39 PM

Let me state for the record: I am a resident of New Orleans. I was raised here. I live here. I love it here. I know people who work on the show.

That will color my feelings regarding Treme.

I love this show.

I love it BECAUSE it is so different from everything else that is on TV right now. 99% of the shows that are on the airwaves right now follow a basic story outline like a map -- Point A leads to Point B leads to Point C leads to shocking Point D. This character finds this out. That character has that change. This other character disappears. Bam. Season Finale.

Or better yet, most TV shows are like your standard pop/rock song: Intro, first verse, bridge, chorus, second verse, bridge, chorus, musical interlude/solo, third verse, bridge, chorus, outro.

Treme is like jazz. It's ambivalent about its meaning. It's meandering and indulgent and unwilling to compromise its capacity just to fit what we are expected. It's not giving you life as a journey, but rather life as a search. Some people changed, some stayed the same. Some got better, some got worse. A few found meaning and a lot found nothing more than the next day and all its crap.

And I want that out of this show. We complain when the new shows are listed and say "it's the same cop/lawyer/doctor stuff". The same drama solved in 50 minutes or less. Well this isn't. This is different and unique. Like New Orleans. Like people.

Just to finish up:

Twenty-five percent of every episode is devoted to the music of New Orleans

It's a show about musicians. That's like complaining that The Wire spent 25% of its time in crime scenes.

I also think the Creighton Bernette story arc was terribly wrong. It was not believable -- not John Goodman's fault -- just an implausible story given what we were told about the character.

Actually, the suicide rate in New Orleans post-K was one of the big worries at the time. Depression was at an all time high -- although the current BP fuck-up is giving it a run for its money.

Posted by: Fredo at June 22, 2010 12:43 PM

forbiddendonut, yes, I am seeing that now. I hadn't actually intended to slam the wire. i did watch it and enjoyed it, for the most part. And I did like that it was textured and nuanced. But i also got tired of it. I guess its just the way people heap such hyperbole on it, that it was the best thing to ever hit tv.

i guess it was snarky. maybe i was unconsciously trying to be a little bit scathing and a titch bitchy. I just can't imagine seeing Treme as a fall from grace for the creator rather than a blooming.

Posted by: idleprimate at June 22, 2010 12:51 PM

Well said, Fredo!

Posted by: idleprimate at June 22, 2010 12:55 PM

The 1st paragraph contained all the information I needed to make up my mind about Treme. I've been to New Orleans more times than I can count, and I don't particularly like New Orleans. It's a great city to go on a bender for a few days without having to worry about fucking anything up, but it turns into just another rathole city after a few days. I was there the week before Katrina and exactly a year after Katrina. The difference was negligible. There's some good food and some good music, and that's about it. I have no desire to watch a celebration of the place. Give me a good story and I can provide my own 'hey, there's that place where we did that thing' moments ala Bad Lieutenant. Reminiscing about New Orleans is best left to hazy alcohol soaked memories. It doesn't hold up well to the light of day.

Posted by: Lawdog at June 22, 2010 1:04 PM

I tried to give Treme a chance based on my love for the Wire and felt somewhat ashamed that I couldn't get into because of what I felt was a lack of plot and compelling characters. Admittedly, I know little to nothing of New Orleans or jazz, but I didn't know much about Baltimore either before I started watching The Wire and still felt thoroughly invested by episode 2. I don't know, I just felt like Treme presented me with characters that seemed somewhat self absorbed, and with little plot to keep me interested. I didn't really care what happened to the characters, therefore I didn't keep up with it. I kept having people tell me since I loved the Wire, I would love it, but clearly I think that is a mistake. Just not a show for me, I'm not passing judgment on whether it's good or not, it's just hard when everyone loves it, I feel like I'm missing something. Oh well. I'll keep looking forward to Boardwalk Empire instead.

Posted by: ninetwenteetoo at June 22, 2010 1:20 PM

Yeah, I have to agree with the lovers of this show. I'm not an avid fan, but, slowly as they grow or not, the characters keep me invested. And for someone who does not enjoy jazz at all, I'm surprisingly enchanted by the interludes and, in fact, find them a compliment to the plot. Like Pissboy mentioned, I see the second season blooming like Six Feet Under did. Then again, Simon could fall ill with secondseasonitus and it could suck balls. Either way, I dig.

Posted by: Sapphiar at June 22, 2010 1:26 PM

Actually, the suicide rate in New Orleans post-K was one of the big worries at the time. Depression was at an all time high...

Sure, and that would be a totally realistic worry for residents who had lost everything. But Cray's life was pretty damn good, and the way they framed it made it mostly about the frustration over post-Katrina ineptitude plus a healthy dose of writer's block. He's portrayed as a doting husband and father, but he offs himself after one perfect day in New Orleans? And his quietly mounting desperation is only shown in the previous two episodes, really. So that's where I feel like that arc failed.

Posted by: Wednesday at June 22, 2010 1:27 PM

(And I sold my first born, my mama, my best friend, her first child, and my soul to The Wire. Fuck hyperbole, that show will go down in history as the compilation that saved Christmas, muthafuckas.)

Posted by: Sapphiar at June 22, 2010 1:29 PM

lol...really? I found a place that many players are hoo king up with h ot mo dels, seems the club called: __Tallconnect ",Co''M___, do you hear this before?

Posted by: gary67 at June 22, 2010 1:46 PM

This is why I love this website. I feel like you're inside my head. I literally just checked to make sure this series was finished downloading before I surfed over to Pajiba.

I'm not a viewer that needs "crisis writing" in a show to exaggerate a plot. Introducing me to characters and a city and a style of music will be interesting enough to keep my attention, I'm sure. David Simon is so thorough and rich in his depictions of every walk of life he describes that I'm excited to see him working on anything.

Posted by: becks at June 22, 2010 1:49 PM

I find it hard to believe that people can see Creighton's suicide as unbelievable. The man spent 8 years writing nothing, and when he was forced into the light by the storm, his inability to produce was thrown into stark relief. He didn't share the pain he had inside him, but hid it from those that cared about him. Coupling that to the devastation of those things he loved about the city and his belief that they could never be restored, as well as his inflexible, uncompromising attitude toward the unavoidable changes that life throws one's way, led him down that path, which led him over the rail.

The last episode, and maybe this season, was all about quitting and compromising: how and how not to do each, when and when not to do each. If you don't have flex, you will be destroyed or defeated by those larger forces over which you have no control. David Simon has explored this again and again in his work, this time from a much more ordinary people angle than in The Wire or Generation Kill. This time, it wasn't so much a matter of outside forces destroying you if you are unable to flex, but your inner demons.

This show is like one long serenity prayer, without all the religion in it, and I love it, love it, love it.

Posted by: myjetski at June 22, 2010 1:57 PM

Bleeding heart, good intentioned liberals crack me up. You guys defend the integrity and realism of a show about actual cities and actual problems more than the actual cities themselves. If you found 'The Wire' that powerful and moving and such, then head to Baltimore, get involved, help to change things for the better. Same goes for New Orleans. If 'Treme' means that much to you, then I would imagine the citizens of New Orleans would welcome you with open arms if you showed up with a heart to help. If David Simon really wants to challenge himself, while being provocative, his next show will focus on illegal immigrants in the southwest.

Posted by: CreativeDeath at June 22, 2010 2:00 PM

CreativeDeath, I'd do that but I'll be really busy watching Treme. Like I said, I like totally just finished downloading it.

Thanks for the suggestion though, I would imagine it's hard typing while furiously masturbating at the thought of your own moral superiority.

Posted by: becks at June 22, 2010 2:08 PM

Oh good, a troll.

Posted by: TylerDFC at June 22, 2010 2:09 PM

myjetski, I agree with you about Creighton. The scenes in his classroom were particularly depressing when he was trying to discuss The Awakening to such a bored/indifferent/ignorant group of students. He just seemed defeated.

I wasn't too sure if I'd like Treme before it aired but I gave it a chance and stuck with it...and I'm glad I did. I can see how some might find it boring, but I'm interested by the details of New Orleans life and the music is great.

Posted by: Snrub at June 22, 2010 2:10 PM

becks? Faaaantastic.

Posted by: Sapphiar at June 22, 2010 2:11 PM

If you found 'The Wire' that powerful and moving and such, then head to Baltimore, get involved, help to change things for the better. If 'Treme' means that much to you, then I would imagine the citizens of New Orleans would welcome you with open arms if you showed up with a heart to help.

This is awesome! Best thing I've read all day.

You know, I found "Firefly" to be pretty power and moving, so does that mean I should quit my job and become a space smuggler? I also dug a quite a few episodes of Stark Trek, so I really should start working on my Starfleet application.

Some episodes of "Buffy" mean a lot to me to, so I guess it's time to get my whole "Chosen One" thing on. I also should start looking into opening a paper supply company in Scranton or perhaps looking for work as a writer of a comedy show on NBC.

I agree, dude, I really shouldn't just like these shows, I should live them!

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at June 22, 2010 2:11 PM

Sure, and that would be a totally realistic worry for residents who had lost everything. But Cray's life was pretty damn good, and the way they framed it made it mostly about the frustration over post-Katrina ineptitude plus a healthy dose of writer's block. He's portrayed as a doting husband and father, but he offs himself after one perfect day in New Orleans? And his quietly mounting desperation is only shown in the previous two episodes, really. So that's where I feel like that arc failed.

That's one of the misconceptions about depression. It doesn't just hit people who've lost it all. I know of many who lost all they owned in Katrina and never suffered a day of depression. Creighton was a representation of those who lost nothing but were as down about the situation.

Now, could the arc have been better presented? Perhaps. That's one question for HBO. They had extra-long season opener and closer. Maybe the show would have been better served with 13 full episodes.

If 'Treme' means that much to you, then I would imagine the citizens of New Orleans would welcome you with open arms if you showed up with a heart to help.

Actually we do. That involves liberal organizations as well as church groups who show up hammer and nails in hand, ready to help build some family a new home.

One thing about disasters: it throws labels out the window.

Posted by: Fredo at June 22, 2010 2:12 PM

Judging by Simon's interview about the criticism of the show, I think CreativeDeath and he have more in common than they think - namely the ability to feel vastly superior to nearly everyone you meet.

Posted by: ninetwenteetoo at June 22, 2010 2:12 PM

The difference is that one of them is probably right.

Posted by: becks at June 22, 2010 2:31 PM

I actually do have personal experience living with someone in severe depression, and that's part of the reason it rang false to me. I'm well aware that you don't wake up one day depressed. I also don't think you go from situational depression to clinical depression to suicide in the space of two weeks, which is really how it was presented. As just a hint by Mardi Gras, but dead before St. Joseph's Day.

Also, I'm aware Toni had a lot on her plate with a demanding job, but I find it hard to believe she wouldn't have a clue that his depression was so incredibly severe that his life was at risk. They seemed to have a very strong relationship.

Do people really kill themselves because they feel like their city is irreparably changed? I'm sure it can be a contributing factor to someone who has lost all perspective due to depression, but really?

Posted by: Wednesday at June 22, 2010 2:34 PM

Becks,
I don't have a hand qualified for masturbating. The one I formerly used was shot (and eventually amputated) after a drug bust gone bad in the slums of Baltimore.

TylerDFC,
I'd rather be a troll than an ogre any day of the week.

Forbiddendonut,
If you, in any way, view 'Buffy' (or 'Firefly') as the same sort of realism as 'The Wire' or 'Treme', then I'll gladly pay for your first six months of therapy.

Ninetwenteetoo,
David Simon and I have actually had the opportunity to compare our feces. Neither he nor I were shocked to discover the rose like scent that drifted from the depths of the toilet bowl. And I can guarantee you we didn't cheat by pouring in a new Pine Sol scent.

Posted by: CreativeDeath at June 22, 2010 2:38 PM

McNulty?

Sorry CreativeDeath, I would have been right there beside you in Baltimore when that bust went down but I started watching The Wire really late into the series so I was too busy consorting with whores and shooting hoopleheads at the time (as I was required to do in order to watch Deadwood).

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to my underground meth lab.

Posted by: becks at June 22, 2010 2:55 PM

creativedeath, i gotta jump on the bandwagon here, what are the proper lifestyle choices for enjoying the show, Rome?

Are we only allowed to seek entertainment that completely reflects our lifestyles, careers and habitat? wee bit narcissistic if you ask me.

Part of what I love about Treme, is it made me feel totally immersed in a place and culture that I probably will never have the opportunity to in real life. I have lived in Montreal, East End Vancouver, and Berlin--all complex and diverse cities, with their own share of poverty and crisis as well as mind bending richness in culture--and treasure those experiences. but I cannot be everywhere at everytime doing everything.

Are you actually serious in your criticism, or just trolling?

Posted by: idleprimate at June 22, 2010 3:04 PM

Becks,

It's alright, no hard feelings. I still have another hand. Have fun in the meth lab, I hope it's a productive day for ya. I've been busy as well. I need to shower and clean up for a lunch meeting at Sterling, Draper and Pryce. I just...I can't decide which suit to wear. It doesn't help that I'm still tired from hanging out with my friend Jack Bauer last night. It did NOT turn out to be just dinner, drinks and catching up. He sent a text message this morning apologizing and offering to make it up for a long weekend with he and friends in Australia. So...if I want it, I do have a ticket for Oceanic 815 for Saturday morning. Not yet sure if I'll go.

Idleprimate,

Trolling has such a negative tone to it. Nothing wrong with getting a little blood flowing for people.

Posted by: CreativeDeath at June 22, 2010 3:15 PM

CreativeDeath - You sure there wasn't even a mist of Febreze? A hint of 2000 Flushes?

Posted by: ninetwenteetoo at June 22, 2010 3:17 PM

creativedeath, nicely returned!

Posted by: idleprimate at June 22, 2010 3:27 PM

Ninetwenteetoo,

Febreze? 2000 Flushes? I apologize but your suggestion gave me quite the chuckle. What am I? Middle class? First of all, my home is never in need of a pleasant odor substitute. Febreze may alter the smell of the cat feces on the floor, but there's still feces on the floor. My feet, among other things, deserve better. My personal maid (a lovely illegal immigrant named Rosalita) once suggested 2000 flushes. I had to remind her that I was paying her to clean my toilet bowls and not some inanimate, wanna be cleaning product.

Posted by: CreativeDeath at June 22, 2010 3:28 PM

Are you actually serious in your criticism, or just trolling?

If you have to ask the question, then the answer is obvious.

I'm well aware that you don't wake up one day depressed. I also don't think you go from situational depression to clinical depression to suicide in the space of two weeks, which is really how it was presented.

At least they depicted a progression, unlike House and that stupid Kutner suicide bullshit....

Sorry about that. I also know, from personal experience, that depression and suicide is rarely "all of a sudden". Although I can believe that the people around them are able to blind themselves remarkably well.

Do people really kill themselves because they feel like their city is irreparably changed? I'm sure it can be a contributing factor to someone who has lost all perspective due to depression, but really?

That is just it: it wouldn't make sense to you. But it does to that person. As far as they are concerned, it is a perfectly acceptable (if not rational) response to such trauma. That is another peeve of mine when it comes to this stuff: the attitude that there is no reason for it. For the person doing it, there are plenty of reasons, and few (if any) will make sense to anyone else.

Posted by: Vermillion at June 22, 2010 3:30 PM

the reasons people kill themselves are endless.

Depending on your vantage point, some reasons might seem more legitimate than others, or less, but to someone in the grip of their demons who is stepping toward that decision, whatever reason drives them is the most real thing there is.

there are demons outside of people, tragedies, loss and frustration, and their are demons within people, malfunctioning neurons in the brain, skewing of the senses.

Sometimes you can't save someone from the demons within or the demons without, and as tragic as suicide seems, you have to accept that that person is finally at peace.

Posted by: idleprimate at June 22, 2010 4:21 PM

I'm still finishing the last couple of episodes of Treme, and in the opening scenes in ep 9, the character of Prof. Creigh lectures his class on different kinds of plot. he tells his class to take their time with the book, focus on its language, and not to expect closure or jackpots, but instead to follow journeys.

i can't help but feel the scene is a defense of the narrative style of this show. It's jam packed with plots and themes, only they are life-like and meander their paths in messy ways that don't conform to teledrama formulas. and they don't necessarily come to pay-offs, or expected conclusions, or conclusions at all. they aren't tight, tidy, or overly symbolic, they just are.

i'm pulling back from diplomacy here, I just don't understand how anyone could not come away from this show touched, moved, and in awe of the voyage they have been given.

someone earlier said the show is literature, and it is, in the sense that it transports you and adds to you, it interacts with you, it stimulates all your senses, if only in your mind. It just races so far ahead of the pack and leaves behind mere entertainment.

Posted by: idleprimate at June 22, 2010 4:43 PM

Thanks for the spoiler free review. Too bad I read a few of the comments. Yes, I know that was stupid.

Posted by: ERM at June 22, 2010 6:13 PM

yeah, i kept wanting to complain about the lack of spoiler warnings, as I move into the season finale of Treme. I tried to read (here and elsewhere) carefully and skip spoilers, but, you know, that doesn't save you.

Posted by: idleprimate at June 22, 2010 6:49 PM

still finishing watching, there is a great and brief speech by Steve Zahn;s character at 45 minutes into the 9th episode, that sums my love of the cities i have lived in, versus some of the more successful cities. He is speaking about New Orleans versus New York, and i hear loud and clear, what I knew about the difference between Montreal and Toronto.

God fucking bless this show, in all its dilapidated and inebriated glory.

Posted by: idleprimate at June 22, 2010 7:34 PM

Though I believe Treme has a lot of problems, and was really disappointed at the finale, I think Dustin didn't get it. Actually, I think you didn't get The Wire either.

The Wire was always about Baltimore, the same way Treme is about New Orleans. In both cases he wants to show us the city. But there is a clear difference for me:

in The Wire, he shows us that by showing the processes by which the characters pass through time, the transformations they go through in that town. In season 1 of The Wire, we saw Wallace, Dee, Daniels, McNulty and many others not just standing there and showing us what they were, but going through changes as the city interacted with them. By the end of the season, they are different people, and it's in the transformation that we understand what Baltimore is.

In Treme, we just get a picture of what those people are doing there. Ok, there are exceptions, which I would say right now are Cray and the cute violin girl, and to some level Ladonna and the chef-girl. Those characters are transformed by what happened to the city after Katrina. But the rest of them, like Davis, Antoine, The Big Chief and others (though I may be forgetting some that would fit in the previous category too) are just standing there for us to look at them. And he makes that really enjoyable, I really have a lot of fun watching an episode of Treme, and it's a show that you can watch one episode and have fun (my mother has watched only episodes 2, 6 and 8 and really enjoyed all of them). Because it's beautifully written and acted and it's just a fun and interesting atmosphere. It puts you right there in New Orleans, maybe even better then he did with Baltimore in The Wire and the Iraqi War in Generation Kill. But I think David Simon has really abandoned the main thing he achieved in The Wire, that was showing how the city reveals itself by making their citizens live their lives and build their personal stories in that environment, and how that was a process, how it didn't happen all the time, but happened over time.

Summing it up:
This is probably just my way of seeing it because I'm a sociologist, but the difference is in The Wire the experience of living in a city was shown as a diachronic process, and in Treme that experience is shown as a synchronic process. And that is just too simplistic, we know David Simon can do better than that.

It could be that the need to fit in a genre that Simon had in The Wire might have made it much more viewer-friendly. But I kind of disagree with that, specially because of what I said of it being a show that can be appreciated in some level by the sporadic viewer.

Posted by: zito at June 22, 2010 9:15 PM

So, to sum up, Zito,

You would like Simon to use another narrative to make the same sociological points about a city that he already made with The Wire? He should just make the same arguments -- political, social, economic -- and substitute New Orleans for Baltimore.

Or is it possible that Simon is trying to actually say something different with a different narrative, something about the power and nature of shared culture? Something that wasn't remotely addressed in The Wire?

If I were a storyteller and people's expectations were to bring me more of the same with each subsequent project, I think I'd be obliged to take the ferry with Creighton.

Posted by: um... at June 22, 2010 10:11 PM

To um...,

Is it just me or does it worry you, as well, that a Sociologist has a difficult time forming coherent sentences in a way that successfully conveys his/her point?

Posted by: CreativeDeath at June 22, 2010 10:18 PM

um..., I'm not talking about the content, I'm talking about the way he is trying to say it, so I'm not saying he should be repeting himself, I'm just saying that The Wire was more effective because he presented the theme in what I believe to be a more effective way.

CreativeDeath, podemos continuar a conversa em português, idioma que falamos no Brasil, país de onde saíram alguns sociólogos de extrema importância para o campo, ainda que tivessem dificuldades ao se expressar em inglês. Com certeza me expressarei melhor em português. E prometo que se você conseguir formar frases bem coerentes e expressar seus pontos em português, me esforçarei mais para fazer o mesmo inglês. Or I can go on making an effort to be undestood by you people who have a difficult time understanding portuguese.

Posted by: zito at June 22, 2010 10:48 PM

Hi Zito,

We don't need to continue the conversation in Portuguese. I'm not sure who else speaks the language. Also, you people? No need to be dismissive dear friend. None of us assumed your native language wasn't English. Someone needs a hug...

Posted by: CreativeDeath at June 22, 2010 11:01 PM

You've written some great lines, DR, but that opening little curlicue is full up on yo swill . I, too, think that it is wandering, but no less than The Wire did moving from season to season. Very cinema francaise if you ask me: humid with the moments. Simon's technique is more studied now, and though he might have somewhat of an ego (did ya hear that comment on The Game is Real that went "If Shakespeare was alive today, he'd be writing television." I think it was Pelecanos, but whatever, he was talking about Simon,) I was shocked to feel and toss the waves he's chosen. But I get it, the Barksdales and Marlons and Omars are less tangible and imperceptibly more invulnerable in this show, as we know that these revivals are yet unresolved while a oil spill is currently shitting all over Louisiana as we bleat.

Sorry if you take any of that personal--I've been in a bad mood for weeks now.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at June 22, 2010 11:55 PM

This show hits me the way no other show has and i think it is directly related to how the culture/music of New Orleans is the thread that weaves these characters together.

Take the funeral scene from the last episode. I'm sitting there, stricken with sorrow watching these two women experience their depths of loss. Then you hear "play for that mother fucking money" and the first *boom* of the bass drum....*boom* ...........*boom* ......and the music starts full swing. Tears get wiped away and suddenly I'm smiling and tapping my feet.

That is some god damned good television.

Posted by: C.C. Divine at June 23, 2010 1:36 PM

Okay, in the interest of disclosure, here's the following; after high school I attended university in New Orleans, and was there for a total of 18 years prior to Katrina. My wife and I were married at a little church in Metairie and moved out of my batchelor pad Uptown to a place in Metarie's Fat City. I still have friends and "extended family" in the area, though we have not been back since.

Mrs. Lantern and I watched the first episode of "Treme" and...well it didn't seem to grab either of us that much.

Granted, I understand the plot is the weakest of the bunch, but I haven't been able to revisit since. And I think I know why.

It's the theme song. I find the theme song for "Treme" WILDLY inappropriate to the tone of the show itself. It throws me off, and frankly I find it a mistake.

Is that overly scathing or bitchy of me to think this? I mean I love Goodman, been a fan of Steve Zahn for years, and liked both of their characters. Liked most of the musician characters. Just...it just didn't gel overall as a series for me.

Maybe I should pass judgemenet after seeing more.

Posted by: Green Lantern at June 24, 2010 9:43 AM