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“The Tudors” / The TV Whore
Mar. 29, 2007

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Well this is a first for me, and I’m not quite sure how to approach this review. See, I watched the first episode of Showtime’s “The Tudors” (Sunday nights at 10 p.m., premiering April 1st) and was utterly and completely bored by it. I had to struggle to not turn it off before the hour was up, and though I won that battle, I decided not to watch the second episode as I had previously planned (particularly after seeing the “This Season” clips at the end of the first episode). Usually, this wouldn’t be a problem — I’d sit down and write a nasty review eviscerating the elements of the show that I hated, all the while desperately trying to persuade you to avert your precious eyes. But the unique problem I’m faced with here is that I think many of you may like “The Tudors” just fine. And I don’t mean this in a derogatory way, disrespecting your taste (e.g., it’s not like I’m saying “well ‘Two and a Half Men’ is a pile of penguin turds, but I think you’re all dumb enough to quite enjoy the taste of penguin turds”). So take the following criticisms with a big old grain of salt, because I just can’t wrap my head around the question of whether this is a show that’s worth your time and viewing investment — I just don’t think it’s worth my time and viewing investment.

Set in the early 16th Century (circa the 1520s or 1530s, I believe), “The Tudors” focuses on the early reign of a young Henry VIII (Jonathan Rhys Myers), second of the five Tudors who ruled England. At the start of the show, Henry is still married to his first wife, Catherine of Aragon (daughter of Spain’s King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella), and he hasn’t even meet his the second of his six wives, Anne Boleyn. This eventual love triangle will be one of the main focuses of the “first season” of the show for two reasons (I put “first season” in quotes because Showtime is still billing the show as a 10 episode miniseries, yet the creator is already working on a second season and, unless the ratings tank, I expect there will be more of “The Tudors”). First, it gives the show an obvious “romantic” center. But also, from a historical aspect, the drama of this triangle plays largely into the religious upheaval of the time, ultimately leading to Henry’s excommunication and his pulling the Church of England away from Rome’s Catholic command.* In addition to these eventual romantic and religious entanglements, Henry has quite a few other things keeping him busy: he’s got many other cute, young things to bed on the side (he has two or three different dalliances in the premiere episode alone); he has some problems with France which may be leading to war; the Duke of Buckingham wants to take the throne out of the hands of the Tudors and is raising an army for that purpose; and one of Henry’s principal advisors, Cardinal Thomas Wolsey (Sam Neill), has some Machiavellian agendas of his own.

With all this going on, the show shouldn’t be boring, right? Particularly when the premiere episode did a pretty good job in terms of putting all of this into play without stuffing too much down your throat. And yet, bored I was — nothing in the show gripped me. Now, this has happened to me before: on my first viewing of the premiere episode of “Rome,” I thought it was a bit dull, and at the risk of losing all credibility, when I first watched the premiere of “The Wire,” I gave serious thought to not coming back. But, in both instances, I stuck around because I had this gut feeling that they were just worth the investment with. My issue with both first episodes was more about slow pacing than anything else, and there was just this hunch that the slow pacing was intentional and would eventually be paid off (and both fulfilled this hunch, brilliantly). But with “The Tudors,” it’s not a matter of slow pacing. As I said, from a purely objective standpoint, I think the pacing is about right. But subjectively, it just doesn’t do anything for me, and I don’t have the same feeling that there’s a brilliant reward waiting for me at the end of it all.

Now a lot has been discussed about the show’s portrayal of Henry VIII not as a fat slob but as a young beefcake. By all accounts, however, this is a reasonable portrayal of the young King, and I have no problem with that aspect of the show. But I do have a problem with Myers, the portrayer of said beefcake. The show obviously revolves around his Henry VIII and it will, in large part, live or die by Myers’ performance. Myers isn’t exactly bad, per se, but he really isn’t all that great either. There were times when I found Myers entirely un-emotive — personally, I find his “smoldering and sexy” gaze to just be “dead eyes.” And at other times, I felt like he was emoting out the wazoo. For example, there’s a scene about 30-40 minutes in where Henry gives us a glimpse of his desperate desire for a son and male heir (at this point, he just has one daughter via Catherine). And Myers just didn’t make the sale. Again, his performance wasn’t bad - in a truly terrible actor’s hands, this scene would have been laugh-out-loud melodrama — it just felt a little too forced, a little too desperate. My only familiarity with Myers comes from Bend It Like Beckham (a movie I probably like far more than I should, and not just because of Kiera Knightly), and my take on him there was that he was passable, but no great shakes. And that’s how I feel here, as well — Myers is passable, but no great shakes. The trouble is, Henry VIII kind of requires some great shakes.

Aside from Myers, the acting mostly holds up well enough, although it also mostly suffers from the same problem — none of it’s terrible, but none of it is amazing. At its worst, it was a touch distracting, though not laughable like the performance in “October Road” or something that ilk. The only exception here is Sam Neill as Cardinal Wolsey. I don’t know what it is about Neill, but he has just never worked for me, and he doesn’t work here either. I’m sure others will say he’s brilliant in this role, so this may be one of the aspects of this review where it’s a “maybe it’s just me thing.” But Neill just irked me in every scene he was in — like Myers, it feels like he’s just trying too hard to show how “complicated” and “multi-layered” Wolsey is/was.

And that’s actually a problem with the show in general — it all feels like it’s trying too hard, it all feels too forced. From almost the very beginning, I felt like the show had an obvious desire to be hip and sexy, and that it was wearing it all on its sleeve. For example, I know that Henry was a hornball, and that this necessitates the character hiding his share of some pickles. And I have absolutely nothing against a show finding an excuse to show off some nice breasts, but I think there’s a way to do it well (“Rome”) and a way, well, not so much. And here, it was not so much, feeling like they were broadcasting: “Look at us! This is a new type of British history folks. It’s sexy. And there are titties!” And although “The Tudors” is trying to be this kind of hip and sexy and “modern” story, at the end of it all, it really just felt like every other modern retelling of British royal history. Maybe this shouldn’t be a surprise, since the show comes from Michael Hirst, who also wrote Elizabeth (the big-screen Cate Blanchett version). While Hirst seems to feel he’s stretching and hitting new heights with this show, the only thing really different about it is that Henry VIII is a part of the British reign we haven’t seen done to death on the big or small screen yet.

Truthfully, I should be eating this shit up. Good historical dramas have really become one of my current favorite TV types, both because they’re something different from the more standard fare, and particularly because of how fantastic “Rome” and “Deadwood” were ( “Battlestar Galactica,” too — once you get past the sci-fi aspect of it, the show really shares quite a bit in common with “Rome” and “Deadwood” in terms of tone, content, style and approach). But I actually blame “Rome” and “Deadwood” (and “BSG”) for some of my problems with “The Tudors.” While those shows have given me a newfound love for the “historical” genre, they’ve also become the gold standards, so I can’t help but compare a similar show like “The Tudors.” And it can’t stand up to a comparison. Now it’s not necessarily fair for me to compare the shows, and that probably plays a part in my reservation about flat-out denouncing the show. But “The Tudors” just isn’t dirty enough for me, at the end of the day, in the way “Rome” and “Deadwood” were (…”were”…so sad). I don’t mean “sex and violence” dirty. Rather, I mean it’s not gritty. Everything feels a little too pretty and polished, even with all the sex and conspiring. And I realize that this is an unavoidable consequence — 16th Century England simply wasn’t as raw as ancient Rome or the 19th Century mid-West. But “Rome” and “Deadwood” have made me thirsty for historical dramas with teeth, and that’s not “The Tudors.” So on Sundays, after watching “The Sopranos,” I think I’ll stick with HBO for some “Entourage,” with my only regret being that I’ll miss the eventual beheading of “The Tudors.” Cause I do love me some head-lopping.

*Please note that I was not a history major, nor have I ever been particularly good at history, so this is not only a gross over-simplification, but I may have some of this historical stuff wrong. Point being, don’t cite to the TV Whore in your history papers and then be surprised when it doesn’t exactly help your credibility.


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Seth Freilich is Pajiba’s television columnist. He’s too happy about the fact that Sanjaya is hilariously still on “American Idol” to really care about anything else right now.


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Comments

I don't have Showtime (but that's why god invented torrents). Sam Neill is in it so that gives it an automatic 5 episode consideration in my book. That man doesn't get enough work.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 29, 2007 2:34 PM

You should see Julie Taymor's 'Titus'. JRM has a small role. The movie is freakish and wonderful.

Posted by: twig at March 29, 2007 2:38 PM

I don't have Showtime, so I won't be watching this show, but I have to question the selection of Rhys-Meyers to play Henry VIII on several levels. First of all, Henry Tudor had red hair, or at least every artist of the day painted him with red hair. Also, Henry was considered a tall, strapping man in his younger days, with a booming voice and great charisma, and Rhys-Meyers seems a little "weak" to really play the role.

Posted by: Kolby at March 29, 2007 2:40 PM

It's Cardinal Wolsey.

http://www.britainexpress.com/History/tudor/wolsey.htm

Viewers should check out "A Man for All Seasons" for an alternate take on the story line.

Posted by: Pedro at March 29, 2007 2:51 PM

You mean Cardinal Wosley, right, not Womack? Or was that done on purpose...

Posted by: Blair at March 29, 2007 2:52 PM

"Henry VIII is a part of the British reign we haven't seen done to death on the big or small screen yet"


What? There are 2 PBS series about H8, most recent one with Ray Winstone. The French made one and spelled it with an "i". There's a Cate Blanchett "Elizabeth" for the big screen, and a Helen Miren "Elizabeth" for the small screen. There's "Anne of a Thousand Days" and "A Man for All Seasons". It's been done to death because it was a fertile period in British history. Polygamy, serial uxoricide, admission and accusation of incest, killing your best friend and getting your souled damned for all eternity after telling the Holy Father to shove it - make great screen and TV fodder.


And there's an adaptation of "The Other Boleyn Girl" coming out in December.

Posted by: ThirdShift at March 29, 2007 3:03 PM

I tried watching it on imdb.com and couldn't get past the first 20 minutes because I was bored and I don't know why either -- there was a murder and an adulterous sex scene. But it was still boring.

Posted by: pam at March 29, 2007 3:07 PM

If you want to see Jonathan Rhys Myers in a role that suits him well, see Velvet Goldmine. There's the added benefit of seeing Ewan McGregor treat us to some full-frontal nudity! Oh, yes... You will watch, and you will like. Well, except for long stretches where the film drags its feet, and the overly long ending. But there's glitter! And sexual ambiguity! And great glam rock originals and covers. Check that shit out.

Posted by: Fran at March 29, 2007 3:11 PM

I have not seen this and am disappointed that you all were bored! I majored in history and love to see historical interpretation on-screen. Oh well, I guess I'll pass.

'Dead Eyes' is a good descrpition of JR-M. My sister thought he was so hot in BiLBeckham, but I thought he looked like he had cholera. He was FANTASTIC in Velvet Goldmine, but still does not register on my "hottie-meter".

Posted by: Claire at March 29, 2007 3:20 PM

Fran:

How nice to know that somewhere, someone is thinking the same thing I am...

Christian Bale is in it as well, and by "it" I mean glitter, makeup, and even JR-M himself!

Posted by: Claire at March 29, 2007 3:22 PM

I watched the first two episodes on sho.com the other night (I'm an Early Modern British history student, so I'm stoked), and I had a lot of similar problems with the first episode. I was really afraid that it was going to end up being a tediously dull show, despite the fact that Tudor history is so complex and interesting and my favorite period.

After watching the second episode, however, it really seemed to be picking up steam. The pacing was a bit faster (although I'm not entirely happy with how quickly they skimmed over his affair with Mary Boleyn, not even mentioning that she was married or the possibility that she had 2 children by him (no one knows for sure if they were his or her husband, but I believe he acknowledged at least one of them, and Anne later adopted him as her son in an attempt to keep Henry).

Anyway, I think that the season is going to pick up steam fast. I'm looking forward to the next episodes, and I'll keep the season pass on my Tivo. I think that it would be great if the series really took off, and subsequent seasons revolved around his development and other wives, and then later Edward VI, Jane Gray, Mary Tudor, and Elizabeth I.

I have a similar problem with the casting of Myers, not because of the typical "he was fat" issue, because I know that he was considered to be extremely handsome and active as a younger man before his leg injury forced him into a sedentary life, but because he doesn't have that "Tudor" look (ie. the red hair that Elizabeth I famously inherited from him). At any rate, I'm looking forward to further episodes for now. I'm actually loving Jeremy Northam as Thomas More, he seems very appropriate for the idealistic role. And you gotta love Sam Neill, who looks like he's conniving even when he isn't.

Posted by: AnnArrogance at March 29, 2007 3:41 PM

AnnArrogance and Kolby: THANK YOU! I thought I might be the only one distracted by thoughts of "He looks nothing like Henry VIII!!"

It took away from my appreciation for the show. Little JRM just doesn't cut it as the robust, red-headed, 6'2 young Henry that the court adored.

Posted by: Carly at March 29, 2007 3:56 PM

Enough of the US obsession with English/UK royalty! Please? Yes, you speak English, too, and the Tudors are fascinating and JRM is great, but how about a series on a Valois, or an Ottoman?
Just staying in the period and region, you can choose from the likes of François I, the Emperor Charles V, Sigismund II, Suleiman the Magnificent, Cesare Borgia and Ivan the Terrible.

Posted by: squiggle at March 29, 2007 4:15 PM

That came out bitchier than I'd intended, but then I suppose this is the site for it.

Posted by: squiggle at March 29, 2007 4:23 PM

By all accounts, British history should fascinate me, but it doesn't. Not the real stuff, and not the dramatized stuff. I've yet to see a film or read a book on the subject that doesn't bore me to tears.

I guess pale, seemingly uptight pearl-clutchers lifting their admittedly gorgeous skirts simply doesn't work for me. It should, but it doesn't, and I don't know why.

Sigh.

Posted by: juliagulia at March 29, 2007 4:26 PM

Not so much about "The Tudors", but I'm curious, Seth, if you are still watching "The Riches". After the somewhat shaky pilot, I'm enjoying it quite a bit and it's helping us to get over the MASSIVE drop in quality on "24" this season. The accents are holding steady better now and the show is pretty damn funny. The older brother annoys me but the young kid is adorable and the older sis makes up for the morose one. I also like that Dahlia keeps trying to score pills from the neighbor and Wayne knows nothing about his job yet is somehow hanging on through sheer Eddie Izzard patented free association monologues. Good stuff and it should make an excellent double feature when The Shield finally returns next week.

Now back to "The Tudors", which sounds relentlessly boring and this is coming from someone that loved "Elizabeth".

Posted by: Rob at March 29, 2007 5:04 PM

squiggle- I can't decide if I'd love or hate for them to do Ivan the Terrible. He really wasn't so terrible at the beginning. There was the good half of his reign, and then his wife died and he got hella paranoid, and everything went downhill from there.

Of course, he was never exactly cuddly--as a kid, he used to throw dogs off the tower to watch them splat at the bottom. He called it "splattering the dog."

Man...Russian history has so many great stories. Many, many more than English, in my opinion. Every monarch was an incredibly complex figure. (Peter the Great? Built his empire on slave labor, but he's remembered lovingly for what he accomplished as a ruler.) And then there's Catherine...my Russian history teacher put it the best: "She's put this frou frou Western European icing on top, but underneath it's the same Russian borscht cake."

Posted by: Iriska at March 29, 2007 5:17 PM

Hehehe those ruskkies sure love punishment.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 29, 2007 5:44 PM

Seth - a history teacher thanks you for your caveat. I hope I won't be reading verbatim quotes from your review anytime soon! You'd be surprised by what we do get...

Posted by: Alarmjaguar at March 29, 2007 6:05 PM

I WAS a history major; I LOVED Elizabeth; Henry VIII could make for some great drama; hell as a girl, I even love boobies sometimes; however, between this review and the fact that a pansy-ass is playing Henry, I'll approach with serious trepidation.

I second the suggestion to view Man for All Seasons for anyone who wants an "alternate" view of part of Henry VIII...great story w/ great actors! (But Pajiba commentors probably already know this, you're all so smart :-)

Posted by: KND at March 29, 2007 6:28 PM

I was a history major too and I love the idea of Henry VIII being a pickle-hiding (awesome) beefcake. I watched the first two episodes last night and found myself disengaged, which is a bummer given the wealth of the subject. At lunch today I commented that The Tudors is OK, but it sure isn't Rome.

Posted by: Adam at March 29, 2007 7:04 PM

Pedro & Blair - I did indeed mean "Wosley" and not "Womack." Don't know where the hell that came from, but it's been corrected.

Alarmjaguar - I wouldn't be at all surprised by some of the crap you history teachers get, because I know the sort of shenanigans I pulled with some of my high school history papers (I wised up by college and just avoided history courses, since I was no damn good with it).

Adam - "disengaged" is the perfect word to use in connection with this show. It's entirely disengaging.

Posted by: TV Whore at March 29, 2007 7:30 PM

I caught it on sho.com too and I must be in the minority, because I found it quite intriguing. I'm looking forward to the series progressing at a steady pace: there are a lot of players and even more schemes to been fleshed out.

JRM yes, looks nothing like the real thing, Henry8 was actually blah, blah, blah, but I didn't find it a distraction. I got the impression that the series was focused more on his playboy ways, rather than his politics (that's what advisor's like Wosley and More are for). And JRM has a bastard-face for sure.

The preview actually engaged me quite a bit, so much so that I picked up a copy of "The Other Boylen Girl" the next day. Now there's a book that's intriguing, but about 200 pages too long.

Posted by: Ciji at March 29, 2007 8:22 PM

I'm watching this even as I type. As a history major and a descendant of the first Tudor king, Henry VII, I want to be interested in this. So far, I'm just not feeling it. Henry VIII was dynamic and sexy, and by all accounts, the women loved him. I see no reason to get fired up by Rhys-Myers.

On the other hand, I do love me some Jeremy Northam. I'm waiting to get another glimpse of him. It's taking far, far too long...

Posted by: Shannon at March 29, 2007 11:46 PM

I'm a huge history-turned-into-films fan, and was sorta stoked to hear JRM gained weight (and not nearly enough) to play Henry. I was really shocked to see the Lord of Buckingham (steve waddington) look way more like what I had pictured Henry to be when I first heard of this series. I'm disappointed that he didn't have the Henry role.

Posted by: jules at March 30, 2007 1:16 AM

I'm so thankful for this review, because the previews alone turned me off. I thought I was alone in not liking this. Not that it looks boring (although I can believe that it is) but JRM looks like he's overacting his ass off. That emoting bit you mentioned is dead on, Seth. That part where he hysterically yells out "I'm the King of England!!!" makes me roll my eyes every time.

Fran, too true about Velvet Goldmine. Can't count how many times I've seen it. You should check out "Metroland", another Christian Bale flick w/ him doing full-frontal.

Posted by: Brie at March 30, 2007 1:58 AM

Anyone seen the TV version of "The Lion in Winter" with Glenn Close and Patrick Stewart? First I thought "Picard as Henry the 2nd? no freaking way" and after I've seen in I was in awe, way better that the '68 movie. Well, JRM was in it as the king of France and this remains for me the role that best defines him as an actor, the "go to" movie to determine if you like him or not. Check it out if you get the chance, the movie is amazing.

Posted by: Irina at March 30, 2007 3:30 AM

Interesting -- no one has mentioned JR-M in Woody Allen's overblown and overrated Match Point. Here's my take on THAT one, in a nutshell:

Not even a GREAT actor could have overcome having Scarlett "Yes, My Tits Are the Only Reason I'm Working -- That, and Maybe I'e Serviced the Right People" Johanssen as an acting partner.

On to The Tudors and JR-M as HVIII (disclaimer -- I haven't seen it):

He's gorgeous, that's a plus. He's a mediocre actor, that's a minus.

It's a fascinating period, that's a plus. Sounds like they HAVE managed to bleed the life out of it, that's a minus.

It's a terrific period for costumes and it looks like they spared no expense, that's a plus. Sam Neill is in it, scowling and squinting to show us he's evil, that's a minus.

With nothing much else on which to go, I've done the math and it looks like we're in deficit territory. Gorgeous but mediocre lead actor, fascinating period and gorgeous costumes do NOT trump mediocre if gorgeous lead actor, bloodless production -- and the inclusion of Sam Neill in a substantial, pivotal role requiring actual acting rather than posturing seals the deal.

The Tudors will not survive past the season.

Pity. But I could have told you all that without ANY of this information, based solely on one thing, and it was right in front of us all on the poster:

The woman playing Anne Boleyn is incredibly plain. Mushy bone structure, dull eyes, terrible poses on the posters and in the publicity stills. You can tell a lot about an actress (or actor) by her stills; in this case, what I can tell is that she is not a good actress. Not, perhaps, anoutright BAD actress -- but not a GOOD actress, and if you are not going to be stupendously, otherworldy, preternaturally GORGEOUS as Anne Boleyn, then you had goddamned well better be a stunningly good actress. And I can see it in the stills, ladies and gentlemen -- this woman ain't got no life in her.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at March 30, 2007 3:47 AM

Um, I was SO upset at the end of the ROME finale. I was like... well, that's that. There will never be anything quite like ROME again. And then I thought, "oh wait, I still have The Tudors to look forward too"' and then I remember that fateful night I watched the two first episodes on the website and I sat there, thinking, as I was admiring Henry Cavil, "why?! why did this turn out... like THAT?! HOW COULD THEY POSSIBLY GO WRONG WITH THIS?!"

It had pretty great casting (I like Rhys-Meyers, but ugh... in this part he is really NOT working) and the sets are all wonderful and the costumes are pretty... so why do I feel like I'm trudging through the snow when I watched it. I guess I have the same feelings as this reviewer, but unlike him, I think I'm going to stick it out.

I hope, I hope, I hope that it suddenly gets better in Episode three. (OK: WHY ON EARTH did they decide to basically throw away Mary Boleyn... she was in it for like two seconds... again... ugh)

Anyways, that's it. I hope it gets better, because it was such a great idea (and it has Callum Blue in it!) As of now, I enjoyed watching the trailers more than the actual show.

Oh, also, Anne Boleyn... don't even get me started on her. Unless she turns on the charm to a ridiculous level, she was a mistake in casting.

Posted by: Emma at March 30, 2007 5:05 AM

As everyone else has said, great idea (nominally), but piss poor execution.

Also, I told you so...phht.

Posted by: Smokin at March 30, 2007 7:58 AM

Again, skip the mini-series and go for "A Man for All Seasons." Vanessa Redgrave plays Anne Boleyn for about 45 seconds and has no lines and is still the most provocative thing in the entire film.

Posted by: swimgrrl at March 30, 2007 10:03 AM

I, for one, could really get enthusiastic about a cable miniseries centering around Ivan the Terrible, or Suleiman the Magnificent. Both were strong rulers with the usual pecadillos for their times and relative cultures. C'mon, HBO and Showtime! Let's see some rulers that haven't been done to death yet!

Posted by: The Wanderer at March 30, 2007 10:37 AM

Maryscott--
I was thinking the exact same thing, about why no one had mentioned JRM's performance in Match Point. I figured Allen had told him to go for "quiet anguish and private disintegration" but it wound up coming out as "completely detached and boring."

Posted by: Salt&Pooper at March 30, 2007 11:03 AM

I think it's a huge scheduling mistake to put this on just after Rome. They've got to know we're all nursing our cancellation wounds and just not ready to embrace a new historical drama unless it's completely stunning. Okay, so they threw in some sex and titties, but exactly how many sets of titties and how much sex would they have to provide to out-do Rome? I'm thinking there aren't enough porn-based extras in the world available for this task.

Posted by: PaddyDog at March 30, 2007 12:38 PM

I also like Bend It a lot more than I should have. In part because the DVD has the director making Indian food with her aunts/grandmothers/elder generation family members (Aloo Gobi I think it was called) and she was being corerected and dissed repeatedly for not using enough spices, potatoes, etc..

Posted by: Brian at March 30, 2007 1:49 PM

Isn't it Keira Knightley?

Anyway, love history, love English history, so I don't mind watching it, though I would completely love to see other stuff too. But I would love to see a historical drama (on a channel I can afford) about a period OTHER THAN Tudor England, or at least, not about Henry and Elizabeth. Enough!! What about the Normans or the Angevins, people thought they had infernal blood in them they were such nutters. How could that not kick ass? What about some later Plantagenets? I know they were constantly at war and shit, and that would probably detract somehow, but making the story hang together isn't my job. How insane would a series about the first three Edwards be? What about any other Henry? Just quit it with Henry VIII. I guess these things will just have to exist solely in the secret lab in my brain.

Posted by: M at March 30, 2007 2:21 PM

Jules-
Just so you know, I also thought that Steve Waddington would be better cast as Henry.

Posted by: Carly at March 30, 2007 3:40 PM

If you're bored it's probably Myers. He's vapid. It was okay when he was Brian Slade in Velvet Goldmine - glam rock is supposed to be vapid and he had Ewan McGregor and Toni Colette to prop him up - but he's no king.

Now, Eric Bana as Henry in The Other Boleyn Girl, HE will be a Henry worth watching. Tall, strapping and acting chops to spare.

Sam Neill as Cardinal Wolsey? Okay. That's worth a look.

Posted by: JH Maximumm at March 30, 2007 6:48 PM

Another history major here. Ray Winstone did a fantastic job as Eighth on the above-mentioned PBS mini-series a couple of years ago. I'd be hard-pressed to name another actor who can capture Henry's physical presence.

Okay, I'll admit it: I have the hots for Winstone.

Posted by: Rebecca at March 30, 2007 7:18 PM

I don't have Showtime, so I probably won't get to see this for a long time, but I'll admit I'm intrigued by it. I think the Tudors were fascinating and I hear Jeremy Northam is in it; I like him. JRM I'm really on the fence about. I like the person who said he had "Total Bastard-Face." So right on. He's a good choice for the role if you look at HVIII as a misogynist narcissist/sociopath. However, PHYSICALLY, he's completely the wrong type. Did anyone see the most recent "Young Elizabeth I" thing they did on Masterpiece Theater? I thought it was pretty good, and the guy who plays Verenus on "Rome" was in it. He looked fantastic in full Elizabethan male garb (designed to emphasize good legs and broad shoulders) and and his hair was reddish-blonde, with a little sandy beard. HE would have made a good Henry.

Posted by: Rosemary at March 31, 2007 11:31 AM

Please, do yourself a favor and review The Shield. Every season is better than the one before it. The last two, especially (with Glenn Close then Forest Whitaker as season long guest stars) were stunning. It's one of the few shows on TV that has no limits in its storytelling (just ask anyone about the end of season five -- actually, don't, you won't want it ruined).

Posted by: stealingjoy at March 31, 2007 11:35 PM

Mr. Freilich, you say maybe it's not fair to compare shows, but actually it IS fair. In fact, I think it's expected. The television industry is concerned with nothing if not ratings, and what are ratings but a mathematical way to compare shows? We're not talking about some educational program on PBS that nobody cares about except for the filmmakers and three nerd viewers. This show is trying to sell itself as being better to watch than anything else that's on in that time slot, which we know because there are boobs in it. We can go on about not judging one man's artistic vision against that of another man, but these aren't the works of French impressionists we're talking about here. This is the entertainment business, and if you didn't find this show entertaining, don't apologize for it. If anybody needs to express some remorse, it's Michael Hirst.

Posted by: A Marine's Wife at April 1, 2007 2:05 AM

The problem with this show is that its not on HBO. There's something about Showtime and its original programs that spells second rate ad it's not because of the show but becaus eof the channel its on. It cannot be explained it just is.

Posted by: Candy at April 1, 2007 8:37 PM

One, everyone in comments needs to stop hyphenating Jonathan Rhys Meyers' name, whether they are spelling it out or (especially) when they are abbreviating it. It's just wrong, man. But that's a small gripe.

Two, I still want to give it a chance. I'm a sucker for anything with a British accent. Meyers isn't a guy with classical training, and as a long-time fan, I can honestly admit that he wasn't so great when he started out up to ten years ago. Someone commented on Titus, and he was absolutely wonderful in that in terms of chemistry with the always fantastic Matthew Rhys, but God, he was a pouter, and his reading of Shakespeare makes me cringe. He's come a long way, but he just needs the right roles for him. I mean, Match Point anyone?

Posted by: annie at April 2, 2007 8:42 AM

I'll admit, I was looking for a replacementfor the late Rome. This ain't it, kids.
And yes, Rome and Deadwood WERE great shows - that the 'were' makes me sad, too!

Posted by: jp at April 2, 2007 9:12 AM

If I remember my history specials, Anne Boleyn was not a beautiful woman. It was more her poise, charisma, and intelligence that gave her her charm.
I don't have cable, or much of a budget to buy DVD collections, or broadband, so I've had to miss out on the vast majority of history-based TV shows. So this review and the comments have made me sad. The PBS movies regarding the Tudors have certainly sucked wildly ('The Virgin Queen' and the one about Henry, in particular, made the entire family look like shrieking, virtually insane, hideous freaks of nature. I think if QE1 were alive today she should sue for libel).
Oh well. I have no point except to say I'm starved enough that I'd watch this @_@

Posted by: Ari at April 2, 2007 8:07 PM

A miniseries based on Cesare Borgia would be fantastic. The most scandalous things that Henry VIII did pale in comparison to what the Borgias accomplished before breakfast. Marrying a bunch of women is tame when you consider banging your sister and hosting orgies where prostitutes pick up chestnuts with their *ahem* nether lips. Logistically, there are too many problems. If you don't shoot scenes in the Vatican it would look cheap, but I doubt the Church would approve of the bastard son of the arguably most evil pope. I would just piss off the Catholics way to much to get greenlit.

Posted by: eb at April 3, 2007 7:23 PM

I don't know. I think the problem is the sets. Both Rome and Deadwood are dirty and simpler. The characters are vibrant against them. In this show it is hard to see past the rich velvets and silks. And castles are so hard to shoot well.

JRM is at his best playing petulant and scarily changeable - using his intensity to create fear. I'm thinking of Gormenghast and the Magnificent Ambersons. I think this could work for the show if it wasn't so overcrowded with plot.

Posted by: June at April 7, 2007 12:01 AM

On top of the things that you observed, there were two things that basically kept me from falling into the story:
1) Many of the characters don't look like they should. It's not just that Henry is a brunette when he should be a redhead. Catherine of Aragon is a brunette when she should be strawberry blonde. Anne Boleyn, famous for her flashing dark eyes, has pale blue eyes. You get my drift. We KNOW what these people looked like, and the world is full of actors, actresses, and makeup people.
2) The costumes suck big time. I wasn't a history major, I was an art major, and I'm here to tell you that most of them are at least 50 years off from the correct time period. (To the extent that they represent any known time period.) It is extremely distracting.

Posted by: Bitsy at April 8, 2007 12:14 AM

Henry Cavill is delicious. And the only reason I'll keep watching.
JRM has this crazed, drunk look about him. It doesn't work here.
And Henry's sister, whatever her name is, bothers the hell out of me. Was she a pioneer in homemade lip injection serums? Her lips are f-ed up and she is totally too skinny and unattractive for me to buy her as real royalty.

Posted by: Julia at April 28, 2007 2:21 PM

I thought I'd tuned in to a documentary about the local Renaissance Pleasure Faire. How much for that turkey leg in the window, wench?

Henry screams while everyone else whispers and mumbles. Must be intrigue! Er, something. Of course, with such a muddled story, nudity and sex come to the rescue as they do all such dramas on Showtime and HBO. Why, oh why, do I care about the early life of Henry the VIII? Well, it could have been interesting but this is fluff for 14 year-old girls, I think. Therefore, extremely uninteresting.

Posted by: Terry at June 12, 2007 12:02 AM