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I Guess There are Some Things a Hero Can’t Save

“Heroes” / The TV Whore
May 22, 2007

TV Reviews | May 22, 2007 | Comments (75)


(This column will be discussing last night’s season finale of “Heroes,” so consider this your spoiler warning if you haven’t watched it yet.)

I have plenty of nitpicks about last night’s finale, and I’ll get to those in a moment. But if all I had were nitpicks, I probably wouldn’t have bothered with this column — there are plenty of places on the internets where I have no doubt the hardcore nerd-types will raise each of my nits, and probably many others. However, I decided to write this column because of another problem I had with last night’s finale, which goes beyond the little nitpicks. Look — “Heroes” has never been a perfect show. I’ve said before that they need to get some real dialogue writers on board. And all season long, there have been plot-threads that were relative duds (Parkman’s relationship with his pregnant wife, most of the early Nikki stuff, etc.). Plus, no matter how many times you try to convince me otherwise, Milo Ventimiglia is just a terrible actor (at least within the context of this show — I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen him in anything else). However, I was easily able to look the other way because of the show’s strengths. While its story is relatively derivative, it has still played out well. Most of the characters have been interesting, and it’s been fun watching them learn how to use their powers.

And then we had last week’s penultimate episode. It had exactly what you would expect from the end of a season. There was this underlying thread of energy to the whole episode, and while the hour wasn’t frenetic, there was a consistent build-up as things started to fall into place, culminating with well-executed one-two punch of the deaths of Eric Robert’s Thompson and Malcolm McDowell’s Linderman. I mean, I was about as excited as could be for this week’s finale. And I should’ve known I was in for a huge letdown last night right from the start, when the episode began with more of that bloody Mohinder voice-over (seriously — my number one request for next season is to drop that shit permanently). And things didn’t get any better from there — all of the stuff that started simmering last week didn’t boil over, it just evaporated. The finale wasn’t just off on the story, but on its overall tone, energy and pacing.

Throughout the hour, I kept looking at my clock and asking myself, “OK, so when are things going to start punching up? We’re running out of time here, people.” And of course, things didn’t punch up. Instead, we were given a well-played-out demonstration of what “anti-climactic” really means. Right in the middle of an hour that should have been building up like Peter’s imminent explosion, the writers decide to grind everything to a screeching halt with Peter’s “flashback” (and we don’t know what the hell it actually was — if it was a Hiro-power actual trip back in time, he wouldn’t have still been passed out when Mr. Bennet [Noah?] found him, which suggests it was just a dream, except stuff happened that he wouldn’t actually know about, like the conversation between his Moms and Richard Roundtree). And then, to make matters worse, this stupid expository scene is all about … love?

“Your heart has the power to love unconditionally.”

What. The. Fuck. Was. That?

I feel like every bit of faith I had put into the show was stomped on by this one scene. Not to mention — putting aside the thick-as-molasses cheese of it all — how about the fact that it’s not even Peter who ends up saving the day. Rather, it’s Nathan! I mean … I just don’t get what the hell happened here.

Of course, we then get to our big showdown between Peter and Sylar and here comes our payoff! And that payoff is … a parking meter? These two warehouses of super powers should’ve had an epic battle — the kind of thing hinted at behind the closed door in the five-years-in-the-future episode. The kind of thing hinted at all season long. Instead, we get … well, we didn’t really get anything did we? Sylar pulled a Neo and stopped some bullets, and he pulled a Darth Vader and choked Peter from afar, and then he got stabbed and that was that. And here’s a nitpick for you — his reflexes and powers are quick enough that he can spin around and stop bullets, but he can’t turn around to stop a little Asian dude from charging at him with a sword?

So with Sylar “dead,” the episode turns back to Peter’s imminent explosion, and was there anything satisfying about how this played out? Look, I didn’t really expect da bomb to go off in NYC, but there were just too many problems with this particular resolution. We know Peter can fly, for example, so why did he need Nathan to fly him out? Sure, maybe he couldn’t fly himself out because he was so focused on not blowing up. But if that’s the case, give us some exposition on the point. And there’s never been any hint or suggestion that he can’t use two powers at exactly the same time, so there was no groundwork laid out for that being the excuse either. And why not let Claire just shoot him in the head? That would stop him from blowing up, and then they could’ve just popped the bullet out later and he would’ve regenerated, just like both he and Claire did from their previous brain stem injuries. I mean, it was all just basically a convenient way to allow Nathan to redeem himself (and I’m not entirely sure that I bought his sudden return to “good,” but since I similarly never quite bought his sudden turn to “evil,” I’m willing to let that one go).

And then, just to put the icing on the cake, Sylar gets away. I’m totally fine with the idea that he’s not dead — I like the character and, of course, villains not really being dead is a well-established comic/Hollywood convention. But, again, the problem is with the execution. We’re really to believe that with all these heroes in one place, not a one of them bothered to keep an eye on Sylar? Even Noah HRG, who’s always got a plan and is always on top of his shit? It just flies in the face of the established reality of the show.

I think Dustin summed it up perfectly to me earlier today: “It was a total dud.”

(And one last nitpick — you know that chick, whose name I don’t know, who can make the illusions and was guarding Micah? When Nikki knocked her ass out, her powers obviously turned off, since she turned back into the cute brunette and the Micah illusion on the floor disappeared. But if her powers turned off, shouldn’t she have actually turned into a great big fat girl, instead of the cute brunette, since they spent so much of last week making it clear that the “cute brunette” was just another illusion?)

Now all that being said, I am glad that, for better or worse, they did follow through with their promise to wrap up the story within the context of one season. And I’ll still be watching come next fall (although the beginning of Volume Two, with Hiro in ancient Japan, was just one final letdown for me, as I just didn’t find that or the eclipse particularly interesting). But I’ll be watching with my expectations seriously tempered.

Discuss amongst yourselves.


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Seth “the Orangutan” Freilich is Pajiba’s television columnist. He knows that Peter probably isn’t dead for real, although Nathan surely is, and that may be the biggest disappointment of all.


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Comments

Thank You! I JUST watched the episode online, and I have to say, really disappointing. I've been a fan of the series throughout (and especially the snarky cast commentary online - Love you, Greg Grunberg!), but this was a complete letdown, particularly after some pretty awesome episodes in the last 2 months. Gah, whatever.


Also, I thought the EXACT same thing when shape-shifter chick passed out. WTF.

Posted by: Jen at May 22, 2007 1:21 PM

It's what's called the Walmartization of writing. This phenomena takes place when writers don't have a clear grasp of the characters, maybe there's also a lack of respect/care for them. It seems they don't take the time to really think about what the characters could, would, should, and shouldn't do under any given circumstance.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at May 22, 2007 1:28 PM

Yeah, I was slightly disappointed in a few aspects of this episode, as well.

I was waiting for a fat girl to be lying on the floor.

I wondered why Peter didn't fly himself, but then figured maybe he couldn't, but I do wish they had some sort of explanation. ("Nathan, I can't do two things at once! You're gonna have to fly me up!" Something like that...)

Boo to the fight. Yeah, Peter got Nikki's, um, "ass-kicker", -y thing, that she does, so he punches Sylar. Awesome. And I'm with you: why did Sylar just watch Hiro run at him?

I think I might disagree with you on the ending. I've heard and read speculation that Hiro himself may be the very icon he idolized as a child.

All in all I'm really looking forward to the second season (or "volume", if you want to be technical).

One more thing: I thought it was very cool that there is someone out there who scares Molly (the tracker-girl) more than Sylar does, and Sylar killed her freakin' family. (Maybe that damn cockroach has something to do with it...that's not the first time we've seen one this season...)

Posted by: Cody at May 22, 2007 1:39 PM

Ok, now Seth, you know me and you have been on the same wavelength on many a subject. I just can't join you on this one.

The flashback scene, while jarring and completely unexplained, actually does make sense. The whole point to the "big plan" was that everyone involved thought Nathan was the better brother and that Peter was too soft and flaky to be an effective hero. Hell, even Peter believed it, if his incessant whining was to be believed. In the end, the very thing they knocked Peter for, his compassion, was the very thing that got Nathan to change his mind and fly Peter out of there. Nathan had to get knocked out of his funk in order to be there for his little whiny bitch of a brother, who couldn't figure out to fly out on his own. That was the whole point of the "cheerleader" prophecy. If Peter hadn't saved Claire, Nathan wouldn't have the impetus to disobey his mother. And who says that shooting Peter would work? How would we know he couldn't just blow up after? He already has trouble controlling it consciously. So how would causing severe trauma help matters?

If you are gonna complain about anything, complain about how they made such a big deal about Hiro training, only for him to run the bastard through in one shot. The time-travel ending was no surprise (all that talk about Kensei wasn't just for show).

And when did they exactly say her brunette form wasn't real? She may have intimated that it wasn't, but we already knew she was manipulative from the start. She could have been screwing with Micah and the audience. And her name was Candice.

As for the big showdown, come on. You know why they only showed a bunch of flashing lights behind a closed door the last time? BUDGET! This show has to be hell on their finances already, especially since in the beginning, nobody knew if it was going to be a hit or not. You sound like you were expecting movie-level effects and such, and that just was not going to happen logistically. This seems more like unreasonable expectations than just a dud episode.

I felt it was a fine ending episode, and was reasonably satisfied. Maybe not the greatest, but dammit, It has me excited form next season (as well as this "360" thing they keep yapping about), and really, what more do you want from a season finale?

Posted by: Vermillion at May 22, 2007 1:39 PM

We turned it on about 20 minutes in, so we could FF through the commercials on Tivo. In the split second before we rewound, we saw some bald, evil looking guy, and said "Who the F--- was THAT?".

So when Molly was talking about the guy who could see her when she looked for him, I said, "That must be that guy we saw!" I couldn't wait to find out who this bad guy was.

Um no.

That bald guy?

Voldemort from the Harry Potter commercial.

Talk about disappointing. I thought there was going to be some new kick-ass bad guy.

Posted by: mswas at May 22, 2007 1:45 PM

That whole fight with Sylar was dumb. I was hoping for more from Nikki/Jessica. She starts using her dead sister's powers just long enough to hit Sylar once and then go and sit down again? I call baloney. There was so much wrong with the whole episode, but I was hoping for some strong female moments and didn't really get any.
bummer.

Posted by: Whatever at May 22, 2007 1:48 PM

Another point about the fight: Why would they have this massive super battle anyway? As I remember, they were trying NOT to destroy the city. What happens when two superhumans fight? A lot of collateral damage, which would defeat the purpose of stopping the explosion.

Posted by: Vermillion at May 22, 2007 1:58 PM

I am as much a fan of the kickass as anyone, but I'm with Vermillion on this. There was nothing in the show that allowed for the huge ending. Sylar was already assulted by several supers and bullets - Hiro suddenly appearing (again!) just surprised him.

Here's the fight that everyone REALLY wants to see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq9wDMGVx18

Posted by: Meander at May 22, 2007 1:58 PM

The fight scene could have been bigger/better without a doubt. The Beatlesque "all we need is love" scene was a little tacky, but you could reason it out since Peter had already shown a tendency to have prophetic dreams which is now coupled with time traveling. There were a few other small flaws I could nit-pick at too. But all in all it was just OK.

My biggest problem was how they dealt with Peter's explosion. It was, as mentioned above, an overly contrived attempt to redeem Nathan. A much better ending would have involved Peter using DL's power, which he ostensibly would have acquired after being in close contact with him, to simply become immaterial. Then the explosion still would have happened. NYers would have watched as they were engulfed by the fury of an atomic blast, only to see it wash over them without effect. The bad guys could have watched from on high, exuberant that their plan succeeded as NY was encompassed in a giant fireball only to lose their evil grins as it receeded to reveal NY untouched. Now that would have rocked!

So many possibilities with all of those heroes and all of those powers that it had to be a let down that Nathan's redemtion was the best they could come up with. I'll still tune in next season with hopes that this season's success bought them a bigger special effects budget and a little more time to work out their plots better.

Posted by: James at May 22, 2007 2:00 PM

PS - They still could have redeemed Nathan by allowing him to attempt the save only to fail to grab onto Peter as he pulled a Kitty Pride on him.

Posted by: James at May 22, 2007 2:01 PM

I'm afraid I have nothing to add. The TV Whore just explained my view of the show point for point. C'mon, in addition to the crappy showdown, we didn't even get to see the fat Candice? Or see whether Mama Petrelli has any special powers? What a letdown.

Posted by: scullypdx at May 22, 2007 2:03 PM

I know that's not the case, but for the past few episodes I had the feeling each of them was done by a different writer. And that they didn't doo too much consulting. Or even like eachother, for that matter. For example: the attempt to humanize Sylar? Or at least show his rationale behind the killings - how he couldn't see how he could blow up lots of powerless people? We get all that, and then just one episode later, he's looking over the city, all but giggling at the prospect. I realize it was a cool image to end the spisode with, but WHY do the mother thing then?

Re: Candice - ditto, was bummed by the no-fat-chick thing.

Re: Power of Love... ungh.

Re: voiceover - in my opinion the decay goes much deeper. Generally anything associated with Mohinder is sucky by default. It's like he's the writers' miracle cure. Got a huge, gaping plot-hole? Let's have Mohinder bump into some desk and find a CD, or - I know! - dream about the solution. Or pump his blood into some poor kid. GOD I hate that character.

Re: fighting Sylar - that was kind of absurd from the get-go. Maybe I'm challenged, but I still don't get why he didn't blow his brains out when Eden told him to. Or die when Mohinder shot him. Was that explained at some point?

Whew. Rant over.

Posted by: greebo at May 22, 2007 2:16 PM

Ok, I guess I'm in the minority, because I really liked the season finale. And what's weird is that I liked it for the very reason Seth hated it: the lack of action.

I've seen a lot of season finales and what I'm noticing is that more and more of them are heavy into action, light on the storyline. Years ago, it wasn't always like this. The season finale used to be pretty calm, and served as a reason to tie up the loose ends. Now all I ever see is a shoot em up/blow up everything style ending, which ALWAYS leaves a cliffhanger so you'll be forced to watch the next season to find out what happens. IMO, if a show is good enough, then the finale doesn't matter; you'll still watch the next season. Take Smallville. The season finale was nothing but explosions, gunshots, and melodramatic tears. And you know what? I could care less. It was stupid and overdone, and everyone else is doing a season finale just like it.

Granted,the Sylar/Peter showdown was weak, but I was more curious about what would happen to Peter once he couldn't control the explosion anymore. And at the end, I liked how there was some sort of closure to the season...but I'll tune in next fall to see where they'll go next.

Posted by: Brie at May 22, 2007 2:20 PM

Maybe the fat girl really isn't fat but that she can't see her true self? That would be ultimately cheesy but possible.

Posted by: Melina at May 22, 2007 2:25 PM

A season finale with little action that's meant to tie up lose ends is fine and all except... it didn't. There's still way too many questions, too many things that happened without an explanation. I just wonder why they took the time all season to build this up, and when it comes down to it, it's like at the last minute they were like "Well, shit, that won't work after all." I thought it would have been interesting if they took an approach similar to what James said, except have Hiro faze him out of time, so he's there only not exactly running congruent with things.


And speaking of Hiro, where the hell was the dinosaur damnit? I've been waiting all season to see Hiro vs. a dinosaur and each time he travels in time, I've been disappointed. I suppose Ancient Japan is cool, as long as he doesn't come out of there looking/acting like future Hiro. That guy's an ass.

Posted by: McGeek at May 22, 2007 2:39 PM

I've been devoted to this show since the beginning and I feel like I've been dumped. The finale was the equivalent of sleeping with the dreamiest actor in the world and having it only last a minute. Yeah it was awesome by right but it should have been so much better.

I don't buy for a fucking second that Nathan had a change of heart at the last minute. Because Claire says how the future isn't written in stone? He's been resigned to the destruction of most of New York for the last couple of episodes and then BAM! He decides to sacrifice his own life? Nope, I'm not swallowing that pill. As mentioned above, it should have ended with Claire putting the bullet in his head.

Either that or New York should have blown up. Up until now, every single one of the paintings that predict the future proved true. They pussed out on killing off Ando.

The dream thing was sort of lame but I'm attempting to chalk that up to Peter's prophetic dreams which he either got from his ice queen mother, Richard Roundtree's character or perhaps Peter's "deceased" father.

My buddy said that Candice should have turned into a fat GUY. That would have been awesome.

Posted by: kali at May 22, 2007 2:45 PM

McGeek - Hiro saw the dinosaur when he went to get the sword at the Museum. It was stuffed.

Lame, eh?

Posted by: mswas at May 22, 2007 2:47 PM

Is there a reason that Peter couldn't control the Radioactivity? He can control his other powers to use them when he needs to, but not that one?

Posted by: jmurae at May 22, 2007 2:51 PM

McGeek, the dinosaur thing happened already. It was in the museum right after he got the sword. It was sort of a red herring.

I'm still going to watch the next season but I'm not anticipating it nearly as much.

Posted by: kali at May 22, 2007 2:52 PM

Well I saw that dinosaur, that was it? Damn. And here I was all excited for the butterfly effect of Hiro going that far back in time.

Posted by: McGeek at May 22, 2007 2:57 PM

My problem with it?

How are they going to explain that the newly elected mayor of New York just got blasted into tiny nuclear bits?

I agree, the love set up was lame, because Peter didn't need to hear it. Nathan did. So it wasn't really helpful, just time consuming.

Posted by: jbox at May 22, 2007 3:28 PM

You nailed it. I'm a big fan of the show, but the finale was a disappointment, for all the reasons you stated.

That flashback/dream thing was the worst: we went from "you've always known how to get home, Dorothy" to A Wrinkle in Time's "it's all about Love." I was so distracted by the whiplash of all that...it took me right out of the episode.

Posted by: Louise at May 22, 2007 3:47 PM

I thought this was a much better episode than the two previous which seemed more filler than anything else.
My biggest problem and something I find this show does consistently is continuity glitches. For instance, why was the explosion at night? When Hiro jumped to the future the explosion happened during the day. WTF.
And while I think the biggest problem with this show is character continuity, I actually have no problem with Nathan switching sides. I think Adrian Pasdar has done a great job in the build-up episodes, showing that while he may have invested in his Mom's plans, he's still having buyer's remorse.

Greebo- I read or heard that each episode a writer takes a character and writes the entire episode for that character. If this is the case it would explain a lot.

Posted by: Uno at May 22, 2007 3:53 PM

How about this idea as one of about a quadrillion better endings than the one we got. To play off of McGeek's playing off of my idea:

Hiro sends Peter back in time to the Sahara where he explodes and that is how we came by the recently discovered 31km crater there. It's always fun to play in something real when dealing with time travel.

Or they shoot him in the back of the head, teleport him to the hideout of the new and improved boogeyman, remove the bullet, then let him explode there.

Or, whatever power Richard Roundtree possessed, he could have used that in just about any way the writer's wanted. A writer's carte blanche, if you will. Perhaps, seeing as Roundtree could see him, his ability was to neutralize the abilities of other heroes. Thus when it presented itself in Peter, it canceled out his powers and, since it was a passive ability that did not need to be activated, he never had powers again, thus removing the too powerful plot breaking character. We could then resume a broken up super hero battle and conclude it on a mere mortal level; i.e. fisticuffs and brutal facekicking and the inevitable Samurai coup de grace.

Meh, just bored now I guess. Damn Summer reruns to look forward to.

Posted by: James at May 22, 2007 4:08 PM

I was a little disappointed as well, expecting the ultimate world-shaking fight between Peter and Sylar, and very upset about Peter and Nathan basically suiciding at the end. But I still feel this was one of the better shows on this year. There were plenty of jaw dropping, awesome moments, and I'll definitely come back to watch Volume Two.

I have been following Greg Beeman's blog- he's the executive producer and has directed a couple of the episodes. I'm eager to read what he has to say about the finale- so far all his comments have given me a better understanding of how the show has been put together. http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/

Posted by: nancy at May 22, 2007 4:14 PM

I've never watched Heroes, so I don't have anything to say on that front, but I just wanted to let you know: Milo Ventimiglia was on two of my favorite shows, Gilmore Girls and American Dreams, and he was absolutely dreadful on both. He's not good-looking enough for me to be able to understand why he's still getting consistent work on television. It kind of reminds me of Dean Winters: a kind of terrible actor who keeps popping up on really quality shows like Oz, Rescue Me, and 30 Rock. I mean, there's something that I personally find very likable about Dean, but still. He's not very good.

Er, yeah.

Posted by: Mimi at May 22, 2007 4:23 PM

While I agree with most people's nitpicks concerning the last episode. The writer's big problem with Suresh's voice-overs is not very well grounded. Many of the season's episodes this season were written by Jeff Loeb, one of the best comic book writers of this generation, if not ever. Long Halloween is a true masterpiece for any Batman fan. And, as a comic book writer, Loeb used a character's dialougue to the reader/viewer to convey more than just character thoughts, but establish a real view of society, exsistance, and put the character in an even more monumental situation than just an image can surmise. You still can't read a Spider-man comic without listening to some mumbo jumbo from a ghost narrator that tries to make the stuff all relative. So, for Heroes, they use the one STRONG, human character (with the exception of the Badass, HRG) to try and relate a point of time to those of us poor saps without powers...

Posted by: Dondude at May 22, 2007 4:29 PM

Total agreement with ole Seth on the finale.
It was too many characters who all needed to pitch in at the last showdown.



But i was burned by last weeks, what with Hiro "training" with daddy Sulu. Learning everything about fighting in a few hours? That's lazy writing. The dude can time travel. Go someplace, practice for a coupla solid years and come back to the same point in time you left. Same result, but at least interesting.

Posted by: Scott at May 22, 2007 4:36 PM

I personally enjoyed the last episode. Most of the arguments and complaints that have been stated can be easily written off. Like the fat chick thing. The only clue we ever had as to believing that she was fat was when she replies to Micah, "believe me, I am" or something. What girl hasn't said something along those lines? Plus, she was an evil bitch who liked jerking people around.
My only real complaint is, like everyone else apparently, the big showdown between Peter n Sylar. I can understand why they did it (or didn't do it I guess I should say.) but still, they could have thrown something our way. At least Sylar lived, maybe we'll see some amazingly awesome action in the sure to be bigger budgeted second volume. (There is no doubt in my mind that Peter, and maybe even Nathan too, survived the blast.)

Posted by: Me at May 22, 2007 4:53 PM

Scott,

Looking back on it, I actually thought that's where they were going last episode - that Hiro stopped time, or sent them back in time to train.

They didn't pick up on it when the training was done, but I just assumed that's what they meant.

Sulu's good, but he ain't that good...

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Posted by: mswas at May 22, 2007 4:56 PM

Not much to add as I agree w/ most of the disappointed folks - especially re: 1. illusionist/fat girl disappointment 2. lameness of the final fight (come on, they'd been building up to that all season and then Peter gets choked and can't move and that's it?) 3) whoever pointed out that last week's would have made a much better finale. I'm still tuning in next year, but I think they really could have done that better.

Posted by: Alarmjaguar at May 22, 2007 5:03 PM

I really don't think this is a spoiler becasue I have seen on several sites today that both Petrelli brothers will be back next year.

And while I agree with many of the comments here, I did think Claire jumping out of the window to help Peter (when she could have left with Mama Petrelli) was a pretty bad ass female moment.

Posted by: Kate at May 22, 2007 5:08 PM

Yeah: put me firmly in the anti-climactic club. It was all a little blah. Especially forcing the gathering of all those heroes in one place only to have 90% of them cower in fear. What was the point?
Also, Barbadoslim: Do you plan on making Wal-Mart references in every post from now on? I'm anxiously awaiting your 10 musical memories. No doubt you can claim you purchased your first single at a Wal-Mart before you knew how soul-less and unethical they are!!!

Posted by: PaddyDog at May 22, 2007 5:12 PM

Anyone else out there think Peter and Nathan are still alive? We already know Peter can regenerate after the explosion. As for Nathan... All he had to do is act as a booster rocket by launching Peter and then flying away at supersonic speed before the "Bomb" goes off.

Posted by: JP at May 22, 2007 5:25 PM

Hehehehe, nah I'll stop it, as for music, I'm not sure a past musical taste that includes Run-Dmc and Soul Sonic Force is up to Pajiba standards.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at May 22, 2007 5:48 PM

Yes, yes, and YES--I had the same nitpicks. Also, when Peter was unconscious earlier in the show, his firepower went out. Couldn't Claire just coldcock him and be done with it?

JP: Totally with you on Nathan as booster rocket. Had the same thought myself. Maybe Peter's still alive, but I think no one really knows, not even Mama Petrelli. How can he regenerate after being blown to bits, not to mention surviving in oxygen-free space? And if Peter regenerates, isn't it possible that he could go nuclear again?

Posted by: ohgrl at May 22, 2007 6:04 PM

overall, i really enjoyed the episode. guess that makes me easy to please? i mean i would love to see the ultimate badass fight between Peter and Sylar, but i honestly don't think that Peter has enough control over all his powers--especially Ted's powers because they were fairly new. they need to save that for next season's finale.

i thought that Ted lost control over his powers when Thompson shot him, so i didn't understand how shooting Peter would avoid the explosion--unless Claire shot him in that one spot on the back of his head, which she couldn't do when they were standing face-to-face. Claire gave Ted a tranq shot and that's how she kept him from blowing up--why couldn't she do the same thing for Peter?

i don't even hear the Mohinder voice-over any more. sometimes i wonder how it all relates to the plot lines, but i can't make myself listen to them. personally, i think Mohinder should just stand there and look pretty--the character is annoying, but the actor is beautiful.

speaking of beautiful, the Petrelli brothers have to come back. i don't know how Peter's pieces will come back together, and i don't care, as long as both characters come back.

Posted by: pq at May 22, 2007 6:41 PM

As far as the nitpick about Peter not just flying away, I just finished watching it, and I'm fairly sure that he says something about how he can't control himself while his hands are flashing and stuff. Because seriously, I was asking myself exactly the same question during the scene -- and just as I was thinking it, he made that comment. I also think that they had been setting up the fact that the radioactivity is an extremely difficult power to control for a really long time -- the introduction of the radioactive character was all about how he was unable to control his powers, to the point where he killed his own wife.

Actually, the biggest nitpick I had were that the special effects in the radiation scene were probably the worst of the entire season -- the radiation looked like something out of a bad movie from the 80s. Definitely not up to par with the general effects.

I also was hoping for a more dramatic final fight scene -- but as has already been noted, they probably didn't exactly have the budget to do all that much more -- there were actually a couple points where I noticed some "discount" effects. Like -- we don't see DL and Jessica phase through the wall, and when Claire jumps out of the window, there's no close up on her -- we keep on watching from above. I don't think it took anything away from those scenes at all, but it definitely saved some money.

Posted by: biancaneve at May 22, 2007 6:45 PM

Sylar had better come back next season with some teenage mutant ninja turtle powers.

Posted by: Geetch at May 22, 2007 7:24 PM

Put me in the "enjoyed it" camp. Maybe I'm older and more cynical than the average Pajiban (Pajibite?), but I didn't expect a blowout, knock-me-on-my-butt finale. I agree that the action started too late and Peter's vision was a little cheesy, but this is an homage to comics, and cheesy is the name of the game in that field. Besides, Richard Roundtree totally owned that scene! I wouldn't even have minded the "your heart can love" stuff if the dialogue had been better. The idea that a true hero might be the one with the soft heart is a pretty good thing to put out there in this day and age.

I do wish we could be rid of Milo Ventimiglia. I hope that TV's infatuation with him ends soon.

I also find it interesting that in a thread devoted to picking apart the writing, no one has corrected the comment about Nathan running for mayor. He was running for congress. And Sylar didn't "watch the Asian man run at him." That was in Isaac's comic. In the final showdown, Hiro teleported in behind Sylar and ran him through from the back. It had already been established (to my satisfaction, anyway) that Hiro's teleportation discombobulated Sylar. Combined with Sylar's growing arrogance and instability (that was the point of the mom stuff, btw. That was where Sylar slipped the bonds of sanity and humanity.), Hiro just caught him flat-footed. It happens to the best.

Posted by: alone in the dark at May 22, 2007 8:48 PM

Has anyone thought that maybe the explosion in the sky WASN'T Peter blowing up at all? Seems possible that there may have been some other reason that they wrote it to look that way. That would also easily explain how both brothers come back next season.

Posted by: bebemiqui at May 22, 2007 8:56 PM

Has anyone thought that maybe the explosion in the sky WASN'T Peter blowing up at all? Seems possible that there may have been some other reason that they wrote it to look that way. That would also easily explain how both brothers come back next season.

Posted by: bebemiqui at May 22, 2007 8:56 PM

My thoughts? Sulu said to Hiro before they began to fight that he had been waiting for generations for a Nakamura to ascend. And, when Hiro teleports back into feudal Japan, the person riding behind him on the horse that gets the samurai to stop, is George Takei - look closely at the face behind the mask. We know that Sulu has powers; my thought is that Hiro-daddy's power is immortality, and Mr. Nakamura IS Kensei. So if that's true, to address the poster above, *that* is why Hiro teleporting back into feudal Japan is important... Volume 2 (Generations) is, I think, going to focus on the founding of The Company, and we're going to find out what Deveaux, Papa Petrelli, Sulu, and Linderman can do, and how they came together and fell out of friendship...

As to the Richard Roundtree stuff - We've been shown that Peter's been having visions from the very first episode of the season. And we also know that Peter empathically absorbs people's powers. What if (like Isaac Mendez) Mr. Deveaux can project visions or has visions? And Peter's visions were from absorbing Deveaux's powers? So, Peter seeing that vision, and interacting with Deveaux in the vision could be Peter accessing Deveaux's power. That's my theory on the vision. Also, because Peter's power is a passive one, and is a power that is wholly dependent on encountering someone with power in the first place, it is possible that Mama Petrelli didn't even know that Peter had a power, or she may have thought that Peter's power was the same one as Papa Petrelli's power (and we already know that Mama Petrelli thought her husband was weak) and therefore Mama Petrelli didn't respect Peter's abilities.

Just my two cents.

Posted by: La Femme Nikita at May 22, 2007 9:40 PM

I totally agree!! I was incredibly excited for last night's episode and I too kept waiting for the plot to pick up. I didn't buy Nathan zooming Peter out of there, and I thought the beginning of season two would be Peter falling from the sky, since he's supposed to regenerate and all, but then maybe he'll fly back down...who knows?

And did we ever find out what Crazy Mama Petrelli's powers were?

Posted by: friend at May 22, 2007 10:30 PM

BarbadoSlim: I salute your moxie. Head on over to the latest music thread, we've all been posting incredibly embarrassing past music purchases (with the obligatory "I was 12") to ensure we maintain our blog-cred.

Posted by: PaddyDog at May 22, 2007 10:31 PM

Alone In the Dark - You are correct that Nathan got elected to Congress as opposed to being elected Mayor. You are incorrect about Hiro's stabbing of Syler. It was from the front. I was confused that Syler could stop 4 bullets, but not stop Hiro - but well, it was Hiro & he's my favorite and thus can do no wrong.

I actually liked that all the main characters were together at the end as they had been drawn toward each other throughout the season. However, I do wish that Nikki had done more to hurt Syler and that the fight was bigger/longer. It irritated me that Steven Carrington aka Noah didn't put another bullet in Syler's brain just to be sure.

I believed Nathan's turn toward the light because I really felt like he started to truly doubt the plan when Hiro told him he was already a bad man.

While I was disappointed with the finale, I enjoyed the show overall and am looking foward to next season. Especially given Molly's foreshadowing of a big evil.

Posted by: Smello at May 22, 2007 11:19 PM

PS - Where did The Haitian go?

Posted by: Smello at May 22, 2007 11:21 PM

Considering Liderman's power, it's possible that "The Company" have been around for a lot longer that it first seems. They could all be centuried old, potentially. It's also interesting that Deveaux was allowed to die when he disagreed with the others' plan.



In terms of the episode itself, I was disappointed by the fight and by the sheer number of loose ends. I was under the impression that the finale was going to tie everything up from season one in preparation for season/volume two. Are Nathan, Peter, Candice, Parkman and DL alive? How did Sylar survive? (I still believe the scene with the manhole was a tacked on cop-out. They should have been done with him.) Where were the other heroes like Hana and the Haitian? That being said though, the idea of the villain worse than Sylar is interesting.

Posted by: csb at May 22, 2007 11:29 PM

This line made it all worth it:

"You look bad ass right now."

Indeed.

Posted by: jacque at May 22, 2007 11:29 PM

alone in the dark said:
And Sylar didn't "watch the Asian man run at him." That was in Isaac's comic. In the final showdown, Hiro teleported in behind Sylar and ran him through from the back.

Unless the version I got from iTunes is different from the one that aired, Hiro most certainly did not attack Sylar from the back. He teleported in, announced his presence, and then ran at the dude while screaming loudly. In other words, he did what idiots think is a dramatic way to attack someone.

I was pretty disappointed. I like watching superheros as much as anyone, and I've enjoyed most of this season, but the finale was, as Seth says, as anticlimactic as anything I've ever encountered. No one element makes that happen and changing any one thing wouldn't have saved it. It was just an ill conceived and poorly executed finale.

I'll still watch next season, but yeah, I'm with Seth... I'm not gonna be looking forward to it nearly as much.

Posted by: k at May 22, 2007 11:41 PM

Granted, the "the real power was inside you all along" flashback was annoying, but it was also foreshadowed. Remember the dream that Mohinder had, where he communicates with his dead sister? Similarities, anyone? Either these walkabouts are Mohinder's power and Peter absorbed it from him, or there's another character fucking around with both of them. Could go either way.

Posted by: Justin at May 22, 2007 11:57 PM

This show really lifted my spirits - I am a stay at home mom with 2 little kids and that tattoo of Illyanna (Colossus' sister) on my arm seemed even more irrelevant (and a bit ill-considered) than usual the last few years. Then Heroes started up and my geek joyness experienced a resurgence.

I think the core of the comic hero mythos is 'the little guy, trying hard', and I believe the series succeeded on that merit in so many ways. I liked it as much for it's flaws (bit of cheese, lots of angsty dwelling, hanging threads) as for it's successes. It was cool, simple and while not exactly new material, they did a good job of bringing out its best qualities and inviting everyone to join in (I especially admire the effort on the official site with all of the crowd pleasing mini-novels, videos, and fan art).

Comic book lore has been completely co-opted in the last half decade because of the density and quality of its resources and I suppose I don't mind the pillaging if it has been done well. I liked the ending and am pleased that I knew it'd be that way. I bought 2,500 comics in my day, so I knew. Redemption, sacrifice, and the greater good (oh, yeah and LOVE too) - no matter how clumsily cobbled together - is a great, goofy, non-cynical message and it brought me back to why I LIVED to Make Mine Marvel.

I'll be watching it next season because I'm fine with the 'origins' shift in tone and would even be in the market for some side stories / character serials. Kirby plaza. Villain missing, presumed dead. Narration (yes! It's like you and Stan Lee in a hot tub smoking BC bud). All good as far as I'm concerned.

I'm also much happier upon reflection that I didn't get Elektra: Assassin for my tattoo. I'd be explaining Bill Sienkiewicz
'til I was blue in the face.

Posted by: Rebeccah at May 23, 2007 4:19 AM

The Nathan-Peter FLY LITTLE BIRDY!! scene actually made me throw my damn teacup, which was thankfully empty. After Sylar VS Meter I was sorta hoping at LEAST the brothers would go at it a little.
I could not BELIEVE that was our climax..
While I'm not normally so critical of completely senseless bullshit in fantasy/sci-fi/superheroey stuff, the wasted potential was revolting. We know they're capable of so much better! ARGHLE.

The Petey dream sequence.. I told myself for coherencies sake they were attempting to imply the old guy had some..dream-time-warp power. Oh, my generous heart.

The Candace thing was another total wtf moment. Disappointing too, since the admittedly lame mystery of her true form they'd alluded to had caught my interest above most else of the episode.

Posted by: the hel at May 23, 2007 6:21 AM

Still not getting this hangup some of you have with Candice not being fat or ugly. Was it really that important that she was? Could it be she just had a horrible self-image?

And Rebeccah, for mentioning a Illyana tattoo and Bill Sienkiewicz in one post, I declare you MILF, sight unseen. That is awesome.

Posted by: Vermillion at May 23, 2007 8:10 AM

What ever happened to the Hatian? His power appeared to be two-fold - neutralizing other's powers and memory erasing. Why not just have him nearby? Why not use him to stop Sylar? Why not use him to stop Peter from exploding.

I hate the Nathan character. The way they have shown him, I don't believe for one minute that he would sacrafice himself for anyone else at all. Not Claire, not Peter, not .07%. So, that was a major flaw, as well as the other flaws people identified above.

Also, if Peter and Sylar are the same, does Sylar HAVE to kill others to get their powers? If not, he should have all the powers that Peter has. Also, can Peter and Sylar absorb powers from each other that they have absorbed from others?

Why wouldn't Nathan make his mother tell him the entire plan? Who let's themselves be used like that with a "trust me" when the plan involves killing millions of people. Wouldn't you want to know everything she knows before agreeing?

Also, are all the "supers" in America (except for the Indian kid and Hiro)?

Finally, the training of Hiro with the Sword - it did not appear that he stopped time or anything to train, so it apparently was about an hour's worth of training that made him expert, which is ridiculous.

Of course, I still like the show, but was a little disappointed in the season finale. they need to work a little bit better on continuity and keeping the characters consistent.

Posted by: Great Banana at May 23, 2007 10:14 AM

Here's a way to save money for next season's budget:

Less mascara on "Nathan Petrelli".

Geez, the guy wears more eye goop than Alan Thicke!

Posted by: MadameUgly at May 23, 2007 11:03 AM

Great Banana, I don't think Peter and Sylar are exactly the same, mainly because they receive new powers in totally different manners. It was explained that Peter's DNA mimics the DNA of other people around him, so his DNA will re-encode to have the mutation that someone else has (and if it's someone with powers, his DNA will "mimic" that power). Sylar, on the other hand, well, we never really learned how Sylar got people's powers. Everyone thinks that he eats their brain. I'm not so sure. His original ability was that he could see how things were put together, how they worked (which is why he was an excellent watch repairman). When he had Peter pinned against the wall, he said, "I'd like to see how that works," referring to his brain. I think (and I could be totally off) that Sylar removes their brain, sees the mutation that gives his victim their power, and "adjusts" his brain (or blood, DNA, whatever) accordingly. And again, I could be way, way off, because I can't explain what happens to the brain. Anyway, that's what I think. It isn't worth much, just a couple cents.

Oh, and Hiro's father did tell him that he had "learned much in a short amount of time." Hmmm...

Posted by: Cody at May 23, 2007 12:26 PM

This must be the only thread in the world where people are disappointed that a hot chick doesn't turn out to be a fat chick.

Posted by: Matt at May 23, 2007 1:10 PM

I read on "Watch With Kristin" that Nathan and Peter come back next season. That *spoiler* (well possibly) he dropped Peter into an ocean and flew off really quick. It makes sense. I agree that I wasn't blown away (ha ha, no pun intended) by the episode but it was still better than some of the crap that's on TV. And the beginning of volume 2 kinda bored me. I liked Hiro a lot in the beginning and he kind of annoys me a little bit now. What I don't get is how it that Linderman's brain didn't heal DL?
And I agree with Seth about the Mohinder voice overs. I don't even listen to them. He is lovely to look at though.

Posted by: lyricalcatt at May 23, 2007 1:50 PM

I think there's a whole lot of people here who read *way* too much into Candace's comment. I thought it was pretty clear she was just f'ing with his head.

As far as the finale as a whole goes, I really, really liked it. I am so tired of season ending cliff-hangers where nothing is resolved. The past few episodes totally rejuvenated my interest in this series. Quite frankly, I thought the first half of the season was sucky, and I only kept watching because I love anything that involves superpowers.

One thing that no one mentioned that I thought was totally strange was how Nikki/Jessica just walked up and smacked Sylar. Why would she do such a thing? She's never met him. She has no idea what the fight is about or who the good guy is. Her husband is shot, her kid is with her. It just made no sense to me.

Posted by: Leaf at May 23, 2007 1:52 PM

I completely agree that better dialogue writers are needed. One of my pet peeves is when characters constantly repeat each others names and rehash the plot needlessly. Examples: When Peter and Claire talk, they start each and every sentence with their name; Mohinder saying "Molly" every damn chance he gets (Or "My fahtha's research" (fuck, I hate that)); and HRG continually reminding Parkman (and us) that he has to protect his daughter.

My other complaint is the characters' surprise about everything that's happening. I was thinking at the half-season point, "Ok everyone. You have a super-power, and you know at least one other person that does. HOW can you be surprised that OTHERs have powers too!?!?" Also, Parkman still doesn't know about Suresh and/or Isaac yet? Jesus!

After watching such great shows as The Sopranos, The Wire and Battlestar Galactica, hell, even a network show Friday Night Lights, it makes me realize how inconsistent and poor the dialogue on Heroes is.

Posted by: Riles at May 23, 2007 6:24 PM

Oh yeah, my other dialogue pet peeve they have way overused this season, "[character name], you and I both know blah blah blah." They have used that WAY too much. Without all the talk-filler they use, each episode would be a nice 30-40 minutes of great show.

Last comment, PLEASE do away with Mohinder's commentary. Even better, get rid of him and his fake accent.

Posted by: Riles at May 23, 2007 6:31 PM

Did anyone else notice how Deveaux's talk to Peter is similar to Dumbledore's to Harry Potter (ooh, they even have the same initials!): you can defeat the evil one because you have the power to love? Coincidence? I think not, especially since the HP Order of the Phoenix movie was advertised during the episode. Ripoff? Probably. Ripping off a plot point from the richest Brit is a sure thing.
I agree with Seth' assessment that the episode was slow and overall, disappointing. Clare was AWESOME, though. Jumping out the window, running in her three inch boots with her cute spring coat flapping in the breeze with one shirttail artfully hanging out--you go, girl! :)

Posted by: trueblue at May 23, 2007 9:31 PM

Leaf, I was also thinking, "WTF?" when Niki attacked Sylar. Her storyline hasn't been really linked to his, so presumably she didn't know him. Or that he was supposedly a villain. And she doesn't know Peter either, I thought, so I didn't think it would be a "defending a friend" sort of thing. It was rather weird.

Also, why would Peter and Sylar fighting be a big deal? Can't Peter just absorb Sylar's abilities, and using those in addition to the ones he already has, kick his ass six ways from Sunday? I was perplexed, as it should be no contest.

Posted by: Daphne at May 23, 2007 10:23 PM

he says he can't do anything else..... he couldn't fly the radiation power was inhibiting from doing more

Posted by: ian at May 24, 2007 1:18 AM

Can someone just explain to me why Nikki got involved in the Peter/Sylar non-fight? Did she even know who Sylar was?! Hell, she'd fucked Nathan, but had she even ever met Peter? As far as I can remember, her character has been tied up with her family and Lindemann all season long and knows basically nothing about Peter, Sylar, the bomb, any of it.

So what, she just saw a fight between two random guys and picked one to have a shot at knocking out, then got told to go sit in the corner and said "sure thing boss" and walked away?! The whole non-fight seemed like they forced everyone into the non-battle to do as little as possible and nothing more.

But hey, at least the Lost finale was good.

Posted by: Deviant at May 25, 2007 2:16 AM

Damn, Leaf beat me to it. I knew I should have read the last quarter of the comments section...

Posted by: Deviant at May 25, 2007 2:20 AM

A-men brother! The last two episodes were TERRIBLE. Too many cliches, to cheesy. The witing is just awful.

1) Hiro learining to fight in a couple of hours, AFTER finding in the telephone guide a place that fixes samurai swords? And what? His father is in that room all the time waiting for him to show up?

2) The redemeption of Nikki in front of Linderman after he offers her a lot of money to kill DL... was that really necessary? The dialogue could have been muuuch better, I dind't buy that scene. "Everything I did was for my family"?? Too damn rushed.

3)As someone said, Sylar not thinking that he could kill people but after half a day he actually is giddy with the idea.

4)And let's not talk about Peter's vision in the finale and the fact that once again Sylar is alive. Please! They showed us his eyes turning white? Everyone expected Sylar to live, so if you put that scene is because you want to make sure we got the point. BUT NO! He is alive as are Peter and Natah. Bullshit!

I didn't expect a super fight, I just wanted the show to make sense, but the writing (dialogues and plots), just plains sucks.

Agree with Deviant, Lost's finale was the shit.

Posted by: Sebastian at May 25, 2007 11:17 AM

A-men brother! The last two episodes were TERRIBLE. Too many cliches, to cheesy. The witing is just awful.

1) Hiro learining to fight in a couple of hours, AFTER finding in the telephone guide a place that fixes samurai swords? And what? His father is in that room all the time waiting for him to show up?

2) The redemeption of Nikki in front of Linderman after he offers her a lot of money to kill DL... was that really necessary? The dialogue could have been muuuch better, I dind't buy that scene. "Everything I did was for my family"?? Too damn rushed.

3)As someone said, Sylar not thinking that he could kill people but after half a day he actually is giddy with the idea.

4)And let's not talk about Peter's vision in the finale and the fact that once again Sylar is alive. Please! They showed us his eyes turning white? Everyone expected Sylar to live, so if you put that scene is because you want to make sure we got the point. BUT NO! He is alive as are Peter and Natah. Bullshit!

I didn't expect a super fight, I just wanted the show to make sense, but the writing (dialogues and plots), just plains sucks.

Agree with Deviant, Lost's finale was the shit.

Posted by: Sebastian at May 25, 2007 11:17 AM

Ha! A few months ago, my boyfriend and I were talking about how, thanks to the internet, people can do a complete 180 on a TV show much faster than ever before.

I said soon shows won't even get one season of being the hot new hit before viewers start saying they suck. He said people would still give good shows, like Heroes, a few years. I was right!

Posted by: Grumblecakes at May 25, 2007 8:58 PM

I may be a littel bit woozy becasue i just watched the entire season in three days, and I may not completely understand the season becasue they were bunched together, and im a teeny bit intoxicated.
However you should lay the fuck off the season finale, it was cluncky, and it was choppy, but I understand and apreciate the message of the finale. And if your willing to streach a bit and look over its faults.
Although I am biased becasue heroes has been all ive done the last three days and it has been all ive cared about so I am taking this to literally, but thats fine, I'll play devil's advocate.

Did i mention im drunk

Posted by: londongunner3 at May 26, 2007 2:06 AM

I never did any research about this show, cause even if I am one big, ol' self-assumed nerd, this thing could never really hit me. But I'd like to single out this early dialogue:

- When I'm 64...
- I'll be there for you. Always!

Yes, they've said that. Dunno if there was any (negative) impact at the time, but I thought the writing in this show couldn't get any worse, and then they go and mix the Beatles and Bon Jovi like this, without even thinking for 2 seconds.

That was pretty much it for me.

Posted by: Gargumma at May 27, 2007 2:16 AM

Just a little to add. Molly saying something about another bad guy....Has there been a reference to any other villain in the series?
Should we have a clue about this other villain? or is this just more bait for the next season?

Posted by: Björgvin at May 27, 2007 9:23 PM

Uhhh, maybe you should just start watching something else besides Heroes. You obviously have no love for a great show about mutants THAT WE ALL ALREADY KNOW IS SIMILAR TO X-MEN, DIPSHIT. I swear, either you are on crack (maybe you should tape it and watch it SOBER?), or you don't get how LUCKY we all are that television producers have FINALLY given us this gift of a show. To me, it's like there is a twenty hour movie being aired in installments. I guess you didn't notice that MOHINDER is crucial to the show's entire plot. Plus, most of us REAL FANS like Mohinder's narration. (Hint: You are supposed to THINK WHILE HE'S TALKING. Maybe it'll sink in what the show is really getting at.) I guess you should just watch something else next fall, because you have no taste. It's not supposed to be "high art", it's an f-in SCI-FI series!! It's extremely cool. I have watched lots of TV in my 28 years on this planet (I'm not braindead either) and I haven't seen anything close to this quality in my whole life. Smallville (it's about Clark Kent before he has all of his powers--for all you retards who live in caves) comes in a close second for all-time entertainment excellence. I guess you should start watching "How I Met Your Mother" with Neil Patrick Harris (funny as shit!) or something half-hour like that, since your ADD is preventing you from SIMPLY ENJOYING an awesome show. Why don't you go write for Hollywood shows? Is it because you don't know what you're talking about, perhaps?? Perhaps that IS the case. Oh well, it will still be there when you come to your senses (when the crack wears off), because this killer show SINGLE-HANDEDLY SAVED NBC!! I guess if you ride the short bus to school, you have to stick with the low intelligence shows like DEAL OR NO DEAL. Have fun expressing your lame unappreciative opinions on the internet. I hope not too many peope listen, because they'll be misled.

Posted by: yourmomma at May 31, 2007 10:46 AM

Re: yourmomma's post.
Wow. That was quite the spittle-choked rant.

Posted by: satans poolboy at June 4, 2007 9:31 AM