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"Game Of Thrones" - "The Kingsroad"

By TK | Posted Under TV Reviews | Comments (57)



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The second episode of HBO’s adaptation of “Game Of Thrones,” entitled “The Kingsroad,” was another strong entry in the series. Now that the main characters and a common understanding of the universe had been established — a set of mythological groundrules, if you will - the story is ready to break open. As such, the characters are beginning to flourish and demonstrate some of the complexity and depth that made them so fascinating in Martin’s novels (I promise not to do too many novel-to-show comparisons, difficult as that may be).

As before, the story meanders fluidly between various settings, the first of which seemed the most compelling — House Stark of Winterfell, whose Lord Eddard “Ned” Stark has accepted the role of Hand Of The King. Sean Bean’s portrayal of Stark as a tired, hardened Northman is pretty much spot-on — after roles like Boromir, I’d be stunned if the producers even called anyone else when they were casting. The Stark children are equally remarkable in their efforts — Robb, while not as prevalent as the others, begins to display the marks of a leader as his mother simply begins to disassociate after Bran’s tragic “fall.” Jon is unsure and anxious about his new chosen path on the Wall — not aided by the cynical and ominous remarks of Tyrion Lannister. Arya and Sansa, the two girls, are equally strong, though Arya is destined to become a fan favorite. Her almost Whedonesque spunk and toughness were beautiful to portray, and when Joffrey got a stick across the head, I almost clapped. An interesting, yet seemingly necessary diversion from the novel was the decision to show, rather than allude to, Arya driving her wolf away. It was a heartrending, piteous moment, but also served to show Arya’s strength and was easily one of my favorite bits of the show. If anyone failed to captivate me, it was Michelle Fairley’s portrayal of Catelyn Stark, which shot for desperate, embittered and obsessive, but instead landed squarely on bitchy, shrill and unpleasant.

Across the Narrow Sea, the story of Daenerys, Drogo and the Dothraki improved, but still felt somewhat diminished in scope. Perhaps it’s the books coloring my opinion, but I don’t think so. When King Robert laments Ned with tales of her marriage to the Horselord who has tens of thousands at his command, those scenes of Drogo’s Dothraki begin to feel decidedly lacking in grandeur and scale. Harry Lloyd, as Viserys, is a simpering, petulant brat — and seems to be doing an adequate job at it. Meanwhile, the relationship between Daenerys and Drogo continues to prove to be a complicated one. I was one of the few who was actually OK with HBO’s change in their consummation scene in the prior episode — it always felt like, given the circumstances, one of Martin’s few missteps was how quickly and easily Daenerys succumbed to Drogo’s ministrations. It seemed like the show’s depiction is a gritty, more realistic portrayal of what it would have been like — unpleasant as that may be. Regardless, Danaerys is also, like the others, beginning her evolution into a whole person, someone who is slowly beginning to take control of her fate.

By now, fans have already likely developed favorite characters — Arya and Tyrion likely among the top ones. Rightfully so — Peter Dinklage has captured the essence of Tyrion perfectly. A stunted, deformed outcast of his family, who still manages to be both arrogant and powerful and intelligent, Tyrion Lannister has begun to display a taste for both the kindhearted and the Machiavellian, an intriguing combination to say the least. I suspect that viewers are seeing Tyrion with the same unease as those around him — he has a certain allure, but what path he’s choosing is still unclear.

Therein lies the common thread of “The Kingsroad.” That sense of journey, both physical and metaphorical, was a strong theme that was consistent for almost every character. The show continues to demonstrate a distinct sense of deftness and subtlety, even if at times the settings feel a little community theater-ish. The show’s creators are far more successful on the smaller scale — the characters have shown an impressive degree of personal development in a short period of time. More importantly, that development and growth feels like it’s happening naturally and organically. The forces around them has begun to shape their fates, but also change them into people who are learning to choose their respective paths based on the shifting world around them. Arya’s hot-tempered assertiveness, Ned’s frustrated sense of noblesse oblige, Danaerys learning to assert herself and play a part in her marriage other than someone’s prize, Jon Snow’s trepidation and fear, coupled with eagerness and nervous excitement about taking the Black — all show the beginnings of new roads for the characters.

A lot happens in an hour that feels all too short, and “Game Of Thrones” continues to do what readers had hoped that it could — take the massive collection of brilliantly written characters and commit them to screen without sacrificing their personal complexities. There are still many characters to be introduced, some of which have gotten brief moments that hopefully signal greater future roles — most notably The Hound, Sandor Clegane, whose harsh, yet strangely comforting manner make him a potentially fascinating addition.

So far “Game Of Thrones” is a qualified success, and “The Kingsroad” made for an excellent start to the journey.. Performance and direction-wise, it’s a splendid bit of adaptation, with an intelligent, carefully-crafted set of interweaving stories and characters that have quickly broken out of the genre stereotypes. The sets sometimes feel a little cheap and flimsy, diminishing the overall experience — but only slightly. However, costume design is spectacular (oh, and seriously — how awesome are those opening credits?), and coupled with the aforementioned performances, it still engrosses the viewer and you find yourself compelled by this strange, beautiful and brutal universe.









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Comments

Having not read the books here are my thoughts on Tyrion. Nothing he does seems to be by chance. He knows his siblings are having an incestuous affair. He suspects they are attempting to take the throne and murdered John. He suspects/knows they tried to murder Bran. I think he's distancing himself from what is coming to the Lannister clan because they are absolutely HORRIBLE at scheming and it is going to blow up in the face.

Seriously, are those two supposed to be smart? Because sending an assassin to stab a sleeping child, and giving him a really cool knife for the job, seems like a really bad move if you are trying to keep your involvement in the "accident" a secret.

Prince Joffy needs to be killed. A LOT.

Posted by: TylerDFC at April 25, 2011 12:11 PM

I'm loving it so far, as someone who hasn't read the books. The only problem I had this week was figuring out who was where. I don't think I'd registered Arya was going with her sister and father. Love her though. Hope she beats Joffrey to death with her stick.

And since things are set up more we lost some of the clunky exposition dialogue from last week, which was nice.

And the wolves! Nooooo!

Posted by: Carrie at April 25, 2011 12:24 PM

Why don't you just state your own opinions, instead of forecasting which characters all of us are destined to love.

Arya strikes me a psychotically belligerent, and she could have prevented a number of small tragedies by showing even a minimum of humility. She's been portrayed as practically feral, and I don't see what's so endearing about that.

Posted by: Gitley at April 25, 2011 12:26 PM

AND

An early review of this series mentioned how there aren't clear cut villains twirling their moustaches and such. But that certainly doesn't seem to be the case so far. Maybe some of the heroes will turn out to have flaws, but the villains sure seem to be one-dimensionally evil.

Posted by: Gitley at April 25, 2011 12:29 PM

Not having had a chance to see the series yet ( I have to wait for the DVD, alas), but having read the books voraciously, I bet in the second paragraph you are writing about Jon Snow being on the Wall, not Robb, but I'm not sure if it's Robb that's being portrayed as a leader, or if that's Jon. A clarification would be great! If this show is half as good as it's being advertised, I may have to upgrade to get HBO.

(nope, that was a mix-up on my part. Jon = wall, Robb = leader. Fixed -TK)

Posted by: StoatCat at April 25, 2011 12:29 PM

CORRECTION:

Robb is unsure and anxious about his new chosen path on the Wall

That's Jon.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at April 25, 2011 12:31 PM

@TylerDFC

Fear not, the whole knife, assassin fiasco is not as simple of a thing as you are led to believe. The schemings of the Lannisters are more involved than what is given on face value. I agree so much with your evaluation if Tyrion.

Posted by: zaga at April 25, 2011 12:31 PM

StoatCat: TK meant Jon is on the Wall, not Robb. Robb stays in Winterfell.

Posted by: TylerDFC at April 25, 2011 12:32 PM

I read the first book and while I appreciated the characterizations and the intrigue, the overall dark dreary tone of the book turned me off.
The show captures this well it's equally dark and dreary with a lot of characters you'd like to club to death. Were still watching it tho.

When you watch AMC's "The Killing" right after GoT it makes for "Suicide Sunday"

Posted by: logan at April 25, 2011 12:34 PM

I thought the scenes of Arya, Sansa and Joffrey were perfectly captured. Right down to King Robert's "You let this girl disarm you?" contemptuous sneer and Sansa knowing what had really happened but having the sense to tread carefully where the Queen is concerned.

I also loved loved loved that first view of The Wall. Wow, did they get that right. My only quibble is that last exchange between Ned and Jon about Jon's mother and the reiteration of the point in Ned and Robert's conversation. Dammit, don't give that away yet. I've invested umpteen thousand pages in this storyline and don't know who the mystery woman is, they better not give it away in the next couple of episodes!

I didn't think Catelyn was coming off as a shrew. These characters are never, ever painted as caricatures, and Cat has her flaws. Her pain over Jon's existence is selfish and ugly and bitchy and part of what makes her human. Poor Cat suffers a lot (hell, don't they all?) and suffering often brings out the worst in people instead of the best.

Posted by: Wednesday at April 25, 2011 12:39 PM

I really loved this episode. And I was pleasantly shocked at all the references made to Jon’s mother. Even though it hasn’t been revealed in the books yet, Ned’s line of Jon having the Stark blood was positively squ[banned word]ee-worthy.

Things I’m not sold on: the actor who plays Jon Snow is a fine actor, but it just really does not look like Jon should, to me. At this point, I’m going to shut up about this because I’m convinced that I will never get over it. Second, the Dothraki force feel underwhelming. All the shots of them marching through the Dothraki Sea show a thin line of people, not a huge, threatful army.

Anyone else really anxious to see Aidan Gillen? I really hope to see him next episode.

Posted by: Scully at April 25, 2011 12:56 PM

I thought it was another solid episode.

The killing of Lady was every bit as emotion and impactful on screen as it was in the books. Even my dog, Aegon (named after a character from the series), who was sleeping on my sister's lap lifted his head and looked all concerned at the screen when he heard Lady yelp.

The scene where the murderer tries to kill Bran was one (of the many) scenes in the book that was always very vivid in my mind and it was a joy to see it play out on screen in live action.

I've always loved the Tyrion/Jon Snow interactions and those haven't disappointed.

As for the portrayl of Catelyn as being " bitchy, shrill and unpleasant", that could be the case. While I do take pity on her, I thought that way about her character in tbe book more often than not.

I do enjoy reading comments from folks who haven't read the books like TylerDFC and Gitley, because, as readers, we were all pretty much there once right with you and you all getting set up for some kick-ass shit.

I've really loved Mark Addy's Robert. I was never sure about that bit of casting. And while he may not be tall/imposing enough and his hair not black enough, I think he has totally nailed the essence of Robert Baratheon.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at April 25, 2011 12:56 PM

Scully, I had the exact same feeling when seeing Drogo's khalsar. It always looks small and skimpy and not the massive horde it is meant to be. I think that is just a result of the budget and the fact that it's TV and not a movie. I felt the same way during the wedding as well.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at April 25, 2011 1:01 PM

Having read the books, I think the show is excellent so far, and most characters are how I imagined they may be, with the exception of Jon. I imagined him with shorter, straight black hair, which I am sure is what was portrayed in the book, but of course they try to come as close as possible when casting. I am just surprised by who they have Mark Addy playing. Lannister? He doesn't really seem like the appropriate actor for that man, but then again, I am not sure who they could have cast. I really have loved these books for years, and love their complicated and either hateable or loveable characters and stories. I am forever greatful to my friend years ago turning me onto this great series and look forward to seeing more of the show.

Posted by: Gwen at April 25, 2011 1:01 PM

Joffrey's father seems to not have had much of a hand in his upbringing

also the guy who thinks arya is feral is kind of spot on but that's why she's kind of likable. At least Arya is hones

Posted by: goon at April 25, 2011 1:01 PM

Arya and Sansa, the two girls, are equally stron
I have to disagree on this. Sansa was pathetic. I know she is supposed to come off this way as well but that doesn't change the fact she is just unlikable ,dull and annoying. Honestly with her I hope they change the book storyline and simply kill her off soon

Posted by: Mino at April 25, 2011 1:04 PM

"Dammit, don't give that away yet."

I really don't think that's a problem. It's pretty clear from the books who Jon's mother is, and revealing this fact will change, well, the entire Jon plot line. I'm not going to say too much, but I predict his mother will be revealed in the very last book to tie out the story.

Posted by: Scully at April 25, 2011 1:06 PM

OK, that's enough with the spoilers, kids. Seriously, don't make this a minefield for the uninitiated.

Seriously. I'd hate to have to start editing these.

Posted by: TK at April 25, 2011 1:08 PM

You gotta hand it to Jack Gleeson, his Joffrey is already the character you most love to hate.

Posted by: John W at April 25, 2011 1:13 PM

Seriously Mr's Helpfully I'm an Expert Helpfuls, enough with spoilers. I read it, and I don't want to ruin this for people. I'm really enjoying this series, and wish that I hadn't read it a few times while watching.
Stand out acting - Peter Dinklage. He had better snag himself an award for this series. Gotta admit, I'm enjoying Sarah Connor too - she did an excellent job with the Catelyn scenes last night.
Poor Lady, so glad they didn't show that. Much easier watching a guy being beheaded than animal killings.

Posted by: jp at April 25, 2011 1:42 PM

I watched the first episode and part of the second, I bought the book and read it carefully, I listened to all my friends who raved about George R. R. Martin and the series, I read the many blogs and reviews about the show ...

And I still can't get into it. It's not that I don't like fantasy -- I do, very much. It's not that I object to the violence or sex -- I don't, and seeing a bare-chested, flowing-locked Jason Momoa is almost worth my continued viewing. But for the life of me, I can't seem to muster much interest in this series. The acting is for the most part excellent, the character development has both depth and width, the political intrigue is nicely portrayed, the production values are good ... and I'm falling asleep.

Oh, well. Thank goodness the second season of Treme is underway.

Posted by: PDamian at April 25, 2011 1:53 PM

The look on Nymeria's cute wolf face when Arya had to make her run away broke my usually hardened and cynical heart.

I've seen many fans of the book and the show criticize Catelyn's behavior at this point in the story, and I'm just not sure how fair that is. People freak the eff out about the safety/wellbeing of their kids. Her reactions seem very human and normal to me.

Posted by: Angeleno Ewok at April 25, 2011 1:57 PM

Even in a wolf-centric episode, once again I wished that we had just a bit more of the wolves, just to remind us how tied to these kids they are. There was no need to have Ghost frightening Tyrion; just one shot of him trotting at Jon's side on the way up to the Wall wouldn't have been difficult to pull off.

It is very difficult to divorce myself from the books, although I'm not going to engage in that overly spoiler-y talk above. The episode seemed rushed to me, but I don't know if I would feel that way had I not read the books. One thing that did surprise me was the increased emotional resonance of one scene in particular. To the new viewer it could not have meant much, but foreknowledge and my extra insight into the characters made it very sad to me.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 25, 2011 2:02 PM

Darth Vader is both Luke and Leia's dad. I'm going to include spoilers, just irrelevant ones.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at April 25, 2011 2:05 PM

Rosebud was the name of his sled.

Posted by: Angeleno Ewok at April 25, 2011 2:12 PM

You're falling asleep during GoT but wide-eyed and bushy-tailed for Treme? Don't get me wrong, Treme's not a bad show...but really? Half of it's musical numbers, and if you're not into jazz...it's pretty snoozy in there.

Posted by: Wednesday at April 25, 2011 2:16 PM

glad to hear this was a good episode. i'm downloading it as we speak but won't have time to watch it just yet.

thanks for pointing out the community-theater quality of some of the sets; i had that feeling last week and hadn't heard many people mention it. it hasn't ruined the show for me and i understand the budget constraints of a tv show but it does look cheap

i liked tyrion and arya last week so glad to hear they are keeping up the good work. as for jon snow....how did kit harington's hair look this week?

Posted by: splinter at April 25, 2011 2:20 PM

You gotta hand it to Jack Gleeson, his Joffrey is already the character you most love to hate.

:sinister laugh:

The thing that struck me most is how fast the episode flew. Before you knew it, it was over.

I loved seeing the reaction of the Stark girls after the sentencing of Lady. Sansa sobbing on Jory Poole's shoulder while Arya just stared with seething rage at the Queen and at Joffrey. Says so much about their characters. And of course, the wolves rocked.

Gitley, stick with the series. You'll find that even the Lannisters are not the cut-and-dried one-note villains they appear right now. (They're villains but they're far more complex).

Posted by: Fredo at April 25, 2011 2:23 PM

Yeah, the IRA agent chick? She's a dude.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at April 25, 2011 2:34 PM

"Yeah, the IRA agent chick? She's a dude."

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Posted by: Scully at April 25, 2011 2:36 PM

Finkle is Einhorn. Einhorn is Finkle.

Einhorn's a man.

Posted by: Fredo at April 25, 2011 3:08 PM

I watched again. Still nothing. The emotional resonance that seems so strong to TK, my boyfriend and others who have read the book just isn't there for me. Moments that I understand to have significance are missed until pointed out, the characters seem almost superficially drawn, the 'common understanding of the universe' referenced in the opening paragraph of this review is non-existent. Even the character names are hard to connect - they don't say them often enough.

I'm not a dummy, and I normally pick up on these things relatively quickly. This show isn't for people who haven't read the books, bottom line. It's absolutely necessary to have a crib sheet or a narrating guide while watching. I'm certainly not saying that it's a bad show, but it hasn't made me a fan, despite my hopes.

Posted by: kalafraja at April 25, 2011 3:15 PM

Kyzer Soze is...you know what? I'm not going to spoil that. Crossing Kyzer is just a bad idea.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at April 25, 2011 3:25 PM

Oh Lord the killing of Lady. With my friend's husky on my lap that scene was even harder to watch. Vinnie from Jersey Shore said on Twitter that he loves a the show and wants a wolf. Bad idea. Wolves eat dogs, don't they?

Posted by: Az at April 25, 2011 3:44 PM

This show isn't for people who haven't read the books, bottom line.

I haven't read them and I'm really enjoying it, especially this second episode. I do find it hard at times to remember names, but I remember their relationships with each other which is the main thing, and I definitely get the emotional aspects of it. Already really looking forward to the next ep.

Posted by: Carrie at April 25, 2011 4:09 PM

Wolves eat dogs, don't they?

Wolves and dogs are nothing alike. Wolves can not be domesticated. Even if raised from cubs, they will be feral and they will attack.

Now, you can get a dog like an Northern Inuit, a Siberian Husky or a Malamute and they "look" like wolves, but aren't. The American Alsatian, for example, was actually bred to be the same size and look as the extinct dire wolf. And they have a quiet demeanor that's far more comfortable for the couch potatoes (i.e. no mauling).

kalafraja, I know what you mean, but stick with it. Right now, these episodes are basically setting the stage for what's going to happen. Before you know it, there will be mayhem, blood and violence galore.

Posted by: Fredo at April 25, 2011 4:10 PM

I haven't read the books, and I'm following just fine. I can see things that might be foreshadowing, but I've decided to not read the first book until the first season runs its course. And yet, even without that background, it seems to me the Dothraki are way fewer in number than references by other characters have made them out to be. On the other hand, I will take the progression of Danaerys' married life over that of Lucrezia's in The Borgias!

Posted by: Reba at April 25, 2011 4:24 PM

Have we met Theon yet? Was he the other boy in the Godswood? Because he does not look or act how I thought he would. Also not so sure about the Hound, who was always one of my favourite characters, but it's early days yet.

They've changed from are-ya to aria again. Unless I imagined that last week.

Posted by: Aston at April 25, 2011 4:35 PM

Is discussing John's parentage off limits as a spoiler? Being that we're 15 years into the (book) series, and it still hasn't been put out there, can't we at least openly hypothesize?

Posted by: Cory at April 25, 2011 4:50 PM

We have met Theon. He was with Rob in the Godswood. He's been around in a few other scenes as well. He was in the shaving/haircut scene with Rob and Jon Snow.

His most notable scene, to date, was when they found the wolf pups. He was the one who pulled the knife out and was ready to kill Bran's wolf and told Rob that he took orders from his father, not him, when Rob told him to put the wolf down.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at April 25, 2011 4:51 PM

Cory, I think the goal of these recap threads is to really discuss only things that have been show on the TV show to date or to hypothesize based on what's been show/said on screen.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at April 25, 2011 4:53 PM

Works for me.

My only criticism of Book v Series is Mormont then. Homeboy is coming off way too Obiwon Kenobi-y.

Posted by: Cory at April 25, 2011 4:56 PM

Everything has been said, but not everyone has said it yet...

Someone with book knowledge (or actor-role-knowledge) help me here, who was he guy who hugged/comforted Sansa when Robert decided that Lady should be killed?
By the way, Sansa is terrible. Sorry to say that. Who in the seven hells told her to stay there, rooted to the spot, while Arya is beating up the princey? I hope she doesn't stay that wooden, her role is just way too important.

Also, did anyone already mention that that last Dany/Drogo-scene was really well done? Was that a flicker of astonished fear passing across his face? Me likes. A lot. Go Dany. Please repeat.

Six days to go to next sunday...

Posted by: Rooks at April 25, 2011 5:10 PM

Pretty sure that was Jory hiding Sansa from Payne.

Posted by: Cory at April 25, 2011 5:23 PM

As someone who hasn't read the books can I speculate on Jon's mother? This is based on the two eps and so may be way off base or bonkers...

and if you don't want to read my twaddle look away now...


Currently I am going with he is the son of Ned's sister, who the King loved, and some as yet unknown bloke. Since Ned said Jon has Stark blood in him it would make sense. And Ned took him as his own bastard son to protect his sister's reputation, or some such thing. However, since I don't know yet when she died (or I've missed it) this could be complete bollocks. I like the idea of it though, that Ned took him in and had to face his wife's feelings about it, and he never has been with anyone except her.

Posted by: Carrie at April 25, 2011 5:45 PM

Theon's other notable moment was his eagerness in this episode to rev up the engines of war in support of Robb when Catelyn was discussing her theory about Bran's fall.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 25, 2011 6:05 PM

Re. people having trouble remembering names: I'm on the fourth book and I still have trouble remembering some names from time to time. It's one of the beefs I've got with Martin; he has a habit of throwing a lot of new characters at you really quickly and it can be difficult to remember names/descriptive information. However, I will forgive this flaw due to the amazingly satisfying plot twists that keep happening.

Posted by: SF at April 25, 2011 8:54 PM

The show is interesting. And I have not read the books. But at the same time I do not find it as gripping as I did when I first saw Rome and Spartacus:Blood on the Sand. Maybe it is because those two had a much better realized set and feel. I guess with Game of Thrones its not so easy because it is a work of fantasy.

Posted by: Muteki at April 26, 2011 8:10 AM

I've started to read the book and have read just a bit further than the show has gone. The depiction in the book of Catelyn's near catatonic grief actually makes her acting in this episode make more sense to me. I think she captured the sort of...helpless, blind frustration she felt perfectly, her obsession with her boy.
I think the show hasn't made it totally clear enough but in the book Bran is Catelyn's pretty clear favourite and her near collapse over his condition seems more plausible.

I think some commenters are forgetting that Arya, at the end of the day, is 11(in the book she's like, nine) and has been transplanted from an easy and pleasant life to a hard, strange, new one, away from her mother, full of rituals and political traditions and rules she has literally never had to worry about.
It's painted pretty clearly that Arya is blind to or cares not for 'social status' and what her role as , I guess a Lady? means for her playing with 'lowborn' types. The whole idea behind her is that she's able to see everything wrong with the Royal/Lannister way of doing things but is too young to articulate her frustrations properly so throws these fits.

And realistically, if her dick head sister had shown an ounce of loyalty, the Lannister boy would have been rightly punished since I don't think his father would be happy with the little dweeb(who to me has GOT to be Jaime's son) torturing an innocent boy to show off for a girl.
I think it's unfair to dump on the 11 year old for standing up for the truth when her air head, older sister didn't even stand up for her.


I loved the portrayal of Dany and Drogo's advancing relationship. Seeing her take control like that and create a situation where she can yes, enjoy her physical relationship with her husband, but also start to build an emotional one, was excellent in a show that will have to deal with the uglier, grittier side of how this kind of life would have been.
It builds on what I felt they portrayed last week, that she is open to the idea of loving this man and having him love her rather than this just being a a business contract, and that she's starting to realise that she's actually powerful now.

Posted by: Nadine at April 26, 2011 8:47 AM

Carrie, interesting theory and...I forget if they discussed it in this episode but in the book it's stated (nope, too spoilery. TK)

I'd love it if the baby was secretly Mark Addy/King Roberts with Ned's sister that they'd had before they were married so he was already a bastard. Ned took him to protect him and his sisters rep like you said and maybe Robert never knew or knows but has allowed himself just to forget.
Or maybe he was born just as Robert became king but they thought it might upset his new wife and powerful alliance with the Lannisters since if Robert could fudge the details he might be able to put his first born on the throne before any Lannister

Posted by: Nadine at April 26, 2011 8:55 AM

Sorry TK. Don't spank me. (Spank me a little)

Posted by: Nadine at April 26, 2011 9:24 AM

Jaime Lannister is not supposed to be smart - it's made pretty clear in the books.

Posted by: seth at April 26, 2011 12:27 PM

Thanks heaps, Cory. The creepy thing is, the name doesn't ring any bells, even though I'm through all four books by now. That means the character was probably killed very early. (He did, right?) I better not get used to his face.... and forget his name quickly so as to clear storage for the millions of others Martin invented. Tyrells, Greyjoys, Freys...

And Carrie, your theory is absolutely identical to mine (a year ago when I hadn't read the books yet). The topic of Ned's sister just doesn't stop turning up, and neither does the question of Jon's true origins. Very intriguing, and ultimately rather annoying.

Posted by: Rooks at April 26, 2011 1:48 PM

Am I the only one who minds that they didn't put in an important line from the book? When Jon comes to say goodbye to Bran, Catelyn says "It should have been you" and I think that basically sums up why Jon has to leave and how difficult his life as the bastard has been with Catelyn. I think they really should have left that in. And also cast someone who didn't look like a lost boyband member as Jon.

Posted by: Kishmish at April 26, 2011 4:46 PM

Rook - Jory is Ned's Master-at-Arms.

And Kishmish, the missing lines have been pissing me off too. I nearly threw my shoe at the T.V. when...

"Can a man still be brave if he's afraid?"
"That is the only time a man can be brave."

... was omitted.

Posted by: Cory at April 26, 2011 5:36 PM

Shows or movies are NEVER as good as the books, it just doesn't happen. This show is fantastic though, it has kept my interest non stop for the first two episodes so far. Literally from beginning to end of each show I've been on the edge of my seat. Beautifully shot and looks great in HD, don't miss next week's episode, chann 300 in HD if you have DISH Network. Being an employee I know that you can still get HBO free for a few months with DISH Network.

Posted by: Bob Affet at April 27, 2011 11:14 AM

Had I not noticed the various postings over the past several months on Pajiba or a comment here and there caught my eye... I pretty much wouldn't have known about this show at all. And you tell me there's been *books* to read too?! [I'm being serious, btw]. I don't subscribe to premium tv service and I don't spend a whole lot of time on the Net.

Then a gal friend asked yesterday if I'd seen it. So last night, we were kicking back with some wine & cheese... and watching the 2 episodes + the 10 min 'house' expositions (that totally helped with who's who). I'm excited about tonight's episode. All looks *great* to me. I'm hooked.

Didn't realize that Ned might not be Jon's father. Did notice the Mother's (alledged?) name being spoken by the King while they were eating in the meadow. Interested in where the story bears out there. The dyerwolves? This dog geek has been all weepy each time they're on the screen. Great acting/direction from the animal handlers. And I bawled when Lady was killed. Sansa should said *something*... the truth when asked about went down. And that Joffrey just standing them simpering. Blergh.

What is up with the WhiteWalkers? Mythical or real? Do they eat people? Who plays the Dothraki Kol leader? That opening sequence is outstanding.

So yeah. Back on the site today trying to track down all the postings and reviews I'd missed re GoT.

Posted by: Ms MoMo at May 1, 2011 1:35 PM