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"Game Of Thrones" - "Lord Snow"

By TK | Posted Under TV Reviews | Comments (57)



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Before we begin, a few ground rules: Like many of you, I’m a huge fan of Martin’s novels, and I’m dying to see how the story is adapted, what changes are made and how it turns out. With that said, this is a review of the television show, and I’d like it if folks could operate under the assumption that many have not read the books, and therefore avoid any spoilers. Discuss what’s happened in the show so far, but please don’t give away anything that happens in the future, up to and including speculation about events that haven’t taken place in the books yet. This isn’t a review of something that everyone has seen — in fact, we’re all seeing it for the first time. I don’t mind discussion about how things diverged from the books — in fact, I’ll likely indulge in that myself (with restraint, I hope) — but let’s not ruin things for the uninitiated. I don’t want anyone to see these posts as a minefield and thereby skip the discussions for fear of having things spoiled for them.

Thanks.

The third episode of “Game of Thrones,” “Lord Snow,” sees the show settling into an easy rhythm, as the characters’ respective traits and roles are now established and we’re allowed to watch them come together and understand their alliances and motivations. While the title suggests an emphasis on Jon Snow and his time at the Wall, the show was really more about the Starks and their trials at the home of King Robert Baratheon.

It’s there that we begin to understand the challenges facing Ned Stark — foremost of which is dealing with Robert’s boorish, decidedly unkingly behavior. The task is made harder by discovering he’s the King’s Hand for a surprisingly bankrupt kingdom and is beset upon by scheming yesmen and sycophants. This group consists of the likes of the covetous Petyr “Littlefinger” Baelish (Aidan Gillen), the obsequious eunuch Varys (Conleth Hill), and Robert’s brother Renly (Gethin Anthony). Ned has his hands full from the moment he rides through the castle gates, and one fears that those challenges may be more than he cares to bear. At the same time, the appearance of Catelyn provided him with some brief respite, even if it forced him into gratitude with Baelish. Gillen, most notable for his role as Mayor Carchetti in “The Wire,” is wonderfully snide and exudes “untrustworthy” from his very pores, but his helpfulness is undeniable. Similarly, Varys made my skin crawl with every line, and yet Stark cannot deny his usefulness. Perhaps most intriguing was Nikolaj Coster-Waldau’s portrayal of Jaimie Lannister, a character that seemed a shallow, albeit mercilessly amoral, jerk in the preceding episodes. Here, he was shown to be more than that, and the character is becoming much more interesting. His encounter with Ned before the Iron Throne was a riveting bit of verbal sparring — two men who clearly loathe each other, but warily paced about each other, probing for weakness.

We saw little of Daenerys, but her turn of events still gave the impression of criticality to the story. The pending pregnancy is an interesting development, but more intriguing is her developing relationship with Khal Drogo, and her steadily growing into a mature, intelligent woman who is beginning to understand that she must take control of her destiny, instead of having it forced upon her by her brother. Although I admit that one vital piece of the novel that was changed was a bit of a stumble — the decision to have Rakharo (Elyes Gabel) be the one to command Viserys to walk instead of Daenerys was a bit disappointing and a missed opportunity to further demonstrate her independence. That said, one of my favorite scenes was the casual weaponry discussion between Rakharo and Jorah Mormont. It was done with such ease and comfortableness that it was a joy to observe.

As for Jon Snow, the parts that featured the ominous Wall allowed us to see Snow learning how to be more than a put-off bit of cast-off royalty, but rather the beginnings of a leader. It was made more interesting by the fact that the most important lesson he learned came not from any of the Brothers of the Night’s Watch, but rather from the Imp, Tyrion Lannister. Dinklage continues to impress (unsurprisingly) with his portrayal of Tyrion — equal parts cunning, conniving, intelligent and coarse in manner, he’s simply perfectly at ease in the role, even if he isn’t quite as hideous as the books would have us see him.

All in all, it was a thoroughly satisfying episode, and despite a few diversions from the novel (a couple of which, I admit, were quite frustrating), it feels like the series is getting stronger with time’s passage. The closing sequence, with the adorably surly spitfire Arya taking her first lessons from the Water Dancer swordmaster Syrio Forel — a role that Shakespearean actor Miltos Yerolemou absolutely nailed — was my hands-down favorite, perhaps of the series so far (“Dead!” “Dead!” “Very dead!”). The show continues to impress, and while the dense machinations are sometimes difficult to follow, it maintains its solid pacing and strong performances. Perhaps most impressive is the show’s ability to create a sense of impending darkness on the horizon, without resorting to crash-and-boom moments of cliched revelation. Instead, it credits its audience with being smart enough to realize that there are dangers around every corner, and those dangers will affect everyone. After all, winter is coming.









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Comments

This show has the same affect on me that only Buffy and Lost had on me and that is as soon as the end credits appear on screen I say to myself is it an hour already?

So far I'm absolutely loving it.

Peter Dinklage better win an Emmy.

Posted by: John W at May 3, 2011 11:39 AM

I have been dying for this review! The Daenerys thing bothered me the most. That really needs to be HER moment, and it wasn't. Passively allowing it to happen and being the one to make that choice are two very different things.

I felt like this episode was a little underwhelming when compared with the other two, but that may be my devotion to the books talking. There was a lot of additional material here and I didn't love it. I was bored watching the men talk about battles, except for Jaime's last line about Aerys' last words. And I'm not sure I get where they are going with Cersei's character. Both she and Cat are written differently than the books, and I'm not sure how well that will work as things progress. I won't speculate on here more than that, just a curiousity.

I had waited all episode for the Syrio scene and it did not disappoint. Neither did anything involving Tyrion (although context on some of that was oddly changed as well). Still happy with the show, but this ep was more of a miss for me.

Posted by: KatSings at May 3, 2011 11:43 AM

Really enjoyed this episode - loved the final scene w/ Syrio. Also interesting to note how they're sprinkling in info - about the death of Ned's father and brother during the encounter between Ned and Jaime, for example - that in the books one doesn't get until MUCH later, in different books even. This episode, in fact, seemed to have a lot more extra scenes than the previous two.

Posted by: space oddity at May 3, 2011 11:46 AM

I had a huge problem with this episode: palm trees at King’s Landing. It’s absurd to be mad about this, I know, but this really ticked me off. Palm trees do not belong at King’s Landing!

Posted by: Scully at May 3, 2011 11:54 AM

Dinklage is awesome. If nothing else, he should win an Emmy for "Best portrayal of a Dwarf Receiving Fellatio."

Posted by: keith at May 3, 2011 11:55 AM

We were watching Batman Begins this weekend, and suddenly realized that the kid who plays Joffrey is also the kid in the Narrows near the end of the movie. He does cowering very well.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at May 3, 2011 11:56 AM

I realized something watching this week's episode. I like TV-Daenerys better than book-Daenerys, and find her much more compelling. I was thinking about why, and I think the biggest reason is just having the constant, constant visual reminder of how young she really is. In the books it's easy to forget how young she is, especially as she grows in her role as Khaleesi and grows more independent of her brother (like that scene with her brother in this episode.)

It's not that I didn't like Daenerys in the books, but I think her character is much more interesting and compelling when you remember how young she is, and that's portrayed so well in the show.

Posted by: GwenBear at May 3, 2011 11:56 AM

Having not read the books (yet), I cannot find deviations frustrating, though I do get the sense that there are things I am missing in subtext. I simply have to trust that they will become clear in time. I am following the major plot points and enjoying the character development immensely.

Posted by: Reba at May 3, 2011 12:01 PM

"Beset upon by" is a redundant nonsense phrase. It should be "beset by" or "set upon by."

I made the mistake of starting the book, and now find the show to be almost unwatchable. So little context is given for anything that goes on. You don't know about the previous encounter between Jaime Lannister and Ned Stark in the throne room, to give one immediate example. I also find that Arya is a hundred times more sympathetic in the book, because you're told about her self-doubt and her plain face and poor domestic skills. In the show all you see is a spoiled (and attractive, moreso than Sansa really) kid with no manners or sense of place.

The only thing that has been improved is the relationship between Drogo and Daenerys. As uncomfortable as the early rape-ish scenes are in the show (and they certainly are uncomfortable, they almost caused me to give it up after the second episode), they surely offer a more realistic portrayal of the plight that a child bride that has been sold to a barbarian would face.

Posted by: Gitley at May 3, 2011 12:04 PM

Direwolfs.

Where the fuck are they? I haven't read the books. I have no idea where the story goes, but I'm fascinated by those fuckers and they aren't showing them.

Posted by: DeistBrawler at May 3, 2011 12:05 PM

Tyler Durden and the narrator are the same person, Bruce Willis was dead the whole time and Kevin Spacey is Keyser Soze.

Posted by: RabidShihTzu at May 3, 2011 12:06 PM

I thought Rakharo telling Viserys to walk was ok. I see your point about Daenerys's character development and all, but it was much more amusing they way they played it on tv. In a show this dramatic, I welcomed the smile.

Posted by: pxilated at May 3, 2011 12:10 PM

Been waiting for this review and it did not disappoint.

I agree with John W in that these episodes fly fast. I'd be willing to sit for 2 hours every Sunday if I could just to get more goodness, but I guess others would not.

Loved the sword training montage. I loved that they had Ned spying on it and enjoying it until Arya began to connect and then he sort of got this look of terror as he got transported to some long-ago fought battle. He wants his girl to be happy, but he might be fearing what he's doing to her. Combine that with the doll scene with Sansa and his dealings with the Small Council and poor Ned is beginning to look like a man uncertain of the ground he treads on -- far different from how he looked at Winterfell.

As for Dany not commanding Visarys' horse be taken from him, I was okay with it because I felt in the book it made her petty, getting back at her meanie of a big brother. Here it's coming across as if Dany is waking up from years of abuse and can't recognize the man she lived with. BTW, did you notice that that scene got cut in half? In the book, Mormont and Dany ride back and discuss Visarys' qualities as a potential ruler -- the Next Episode teaser seems to indicate that's in next week's show.

Ironically enough, the poor people of Westeros might avoid the pettiness of King Visarys, but it appears they're going to get someone similar in King Joffrey. In that one little scene you come to understand how the powerful in Westeros view their subjects (pawns in their game) and how someone like Joffrey appears to have no interest whatsoever in whatever pain he may put them through. Contrast that against the harsh lesson Jon Snow is learning -- that he's "better" only because he got a chance and that the others are his equal.

I could go on, but I'll stop here.

Posted by: Fredo at May 3, 2011 12:12 PM

I haven't read the books so this is speculation, not spoiler.

I thought this was the best one yet. I didn't feel like it had a preponderance of exposition, but what was there was artfully delivered. I like the building mystery of "who ordered Bran's death?" and think it's interesting that Jamie and the Queen never once have said anything about trying to kill him twice. It's always about "the fall". Leading me to think Tyrion is behind it after all. The scenes between Ned and, well, everyone were fantastic as was every scene that Tyrion was on screen. Jon Snow is a bit boring, I hope he does something interesting soon. And I can't help but think that lingering kiss between Cat and Ned was the last time Ned will see her. I'm so very certain Ned is going to die before this season ends and I hate that.

This episode was absolutely rivetting. I loved it when Arya whispered "Winter is coming." with hushed fear and sincerity. It's almost become a shorthand to figure out people's attitudes just based on how they say that sentence. Same with the horrifying story the old woman (grandmother?) told Bran about the White Walkers.

Posted by: TylerDFC at May 3, 2011 12:14 PM

Actually, I'll add one last thing I loved: Mark Addy's reaction to Jaime's statement of "Burn them all". Killed.

Posted by: Fredo at May 3, 2011 12:16 PM

The insane density of every scene is a lot to handle, and I read the first book twice.

Arya and Tyrion are being portrayed perfectly, but I'm very disappointed with Cersei. She is a BITCH in the book and all I'm getting are squinty pouts from Lena Headey. She better step her game up, fast.

Aside from the terrific final scene, the best moments involved, of course, the Imp. Dinklage's mastery of Tyrion is getting ridiculous. His sobering transformation while listening to Benji describe the monsters beyond The Wall and then his thoughtful amusement as they pressed him to ask his family for help manning it were so satisfying. Dinklage has a mountain to carry with this character and it's like childplay for him. He's quietly chewing up scenery like a deranged badger.

Posted by: Kballs at May 3, 2011 12:17 PM

I started reading the books in earnest after the first episode, and I'm essentially keeping pace with the show so far. The scene with Daenerys bothered me as well. I think she absolutely has to be the one to tell him to walk, and I'm not entirely sure why they changed it, though I suppose we'll see how that plays out going forward.

I also have to second the Dinklage love, because he is absolutely blowing this role out of the water.

Posted by: TheMaskedEmu at May 3, 2011 12:24 PM

Deistbrawler,

Believe it or not, the direwolfs aren't all that prominent to this point in the books, either.

GwenBear,

100% agree. She's one of my least favorite characters in the book, but one of my favorites in the show, although it's probably because her ass is gorgeous. Literally, her rear-end is spectacular.

Posted by: Kballs at May 3, 2011 12:25 PM

I haven't read the books either, but Deist, from what I gather they are some sort of wolf that symbolize and protect each of the Stark kids. We have seen them (the one who protected the boy who fell - can't remember all the names yet) and one got killed because of the little girl's wolf biting that other kid).

Loving the series so far - especially episodes 2 and 3. I just can't get all the damned character names down!

Dinklage rules.

Posted by: Cindy at May 3, 2011 12:32 PM

".. and all I'm getting are squinty pouts from Lena Headey."

Same crap acting she pulled out for "The Sarah Connor Chronicles."

Posted by: Cindy at May 3, 2011 12:34 PM

Direwolves are basically wolves, but they grow to be like, 3 times bigger than normal wolves. And they were supposed to be extinct, which is why it was a surprise to come across the pups. I think the Direwolf is the symbol of the Stark House.

Posted by: Cree83 at May 3, 2011 12:53 PM

Great episode. Could be my favorite so far.

1. The Wall. I thought they did a good job, in limited scenes, setting up the Jon/Grenn/Pyp relationship. Tyrion remains fantastic in each scene he's in. It was great to see characters like the Old Bear and Yoren on screen.

2. I loved all of the Jamie scenes. The scene between him and Ned in the throne room was fantastic. I loved the look on Jamie's face after Ned coldly shot down Jamie's suggestion that what he did to Aerys was justice for what he did to Ned's brother and father. He was so desperately seeking some validation for what he did and just got smacked down and then immediately went back on the offensive. Great seeing Barristan Selmy in the scene with Robert and Jamie. Addy continues to be a fantastic Robert.

3. Definitely looking forward to more Littlefinger.

4. I really liked the scene with Jorah and the Bloorider guy too. I liked the interaction between him and the handmaiden as well.

5. Syrio Florel was one of the characters I have been looking forward to seeing the most. They nailed it. The scene was fantastic. It was very well shot, with the camera sort of spinning around to simulate the whole fluidity of the Water Dancer technique. And the shot of Ned watching and the sound of the wooden swords turning to the sound of steel swords and combat was an incredibly nice touch.

6. Yes, I never imagined palm trees in Kings Landing either. Dorne? Most definitely. Not Kings Landing so much. But it's a minor point.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at May 3, 2011 12:58 PM

Question from someone who hasn't read the books: when they talk about the long summer and previous long winters, are they speaking metaphorically or does winter literally last years in this world?

Posted by: The_wakeful at May 3, 2011 1:02 PM

The_wakeful, it's literally. There was a cataclysmic event thousands of years in the past that shifted the balance of the seasons. Now, they can last a year. They can last a few months. They can last a decade (those are the worst).

At the time of the story's start, summer has been going on for 9 years. The fear is that they are about to get an equally long winter, with all the problems winter normally brings...and a few no one expects.

Posted by: Fredo at May 3, 2011 1:07 PM

Correct Cree. Also, I like that Tyrion instead of Noyle gave Snow the lesson about his mates. It showed some creative re-writing that makes me hopeful that they will actually fit the whole first book into 10 episodes.

Posted by: Socraz6 at May 3, 2011 1:10 PM

I agree about having Tyrion giving the lesson rather than Noyle. It helped solidify the Jon-Tyrion relationship, since they had to cut it down elsewhere and that relationship is one of my favorites.

Hopefully, they will have Donal Noyle at some point. In fact, that had a blacksmith in the foreground during one of the early shots of Jon Snow beating everyone and I paused it and re-wound it to see if the blacksmith had one arm. He didn't.

The only place I think it would have made sense for a direwolf to show up in the last scene would have been Summer on Bran's bed. At the very least, he should have been in the room when Old Nan left or Robb came in.

Old Nan's story was great. Perfect voice for her.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at May 3, 2011 1:16 PM

As someone who didn't read the books thanks for the spoiler kibosh.

Secondly as someone who didn't read the books, the build up to winter has become pretty nerve wracking. Especially when the old maid started talking about 100 ft snows and darkness that lasts months. Yes please.

Lastly I think the whole "walk" change was fine. She DID make the whole horde stop. I think that's "independence" enough.

Posted by: aroorda at May 3, 2011 1:45 PM

Peter Dinklage is killing the nuances of the role but can I put forth the unpopular opinion that his accent could use some work. A lot of work. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have a great performance over a spotless accent, but it does draw me out of it a bit.

You're right as always, TK, the last scene was PHENOMENAL.

Posted by: I Need More Allowance at May 3, 2011 1:46 PM

The story is a bit confusing for me. Characters seem to jump back and forth between Winterfell and the Capital. And not their stories but the people themselves. And they dont really explain why some of the Stark children are in the Capital and the others are not. Oh well, I'm just nitpicking. I enjoyed the episode and look forward to next week's.

Posted by: Muteki at May 3, 2011 1:46 PM

Oh and does anyone else think the shot's of the Capital look like Rivendell? All glowy light and soft-focus? No? Just me? Cool. Nerd out.

Posted by: I Need More Allowance at May 3, 2011 1:50 PM

Muteki, Sansa is there because she's to be betrothed to Jeoffry. Arya is there to learn to be a lady in the royal court. This was not covered very well in the show. Rob is in Winterfell to command while his father is away. Bran stayed put for obvious reasons. Rickon... I wouldn't be surprised if a non-book reader didn't even know who Rickon was at this point. (Spoiler: He's the youngest son.)

Posted by: Socraz6 at May 3, 2011 1:58 PM

The casting on this show is absolutely brilliant in so many ways. Ned, Littlefinger, Tyrion, Arya, Benjen, Bran, Robert, Jorah, Joffrey...couldn't have asked for anyone better.

I have no problem with the changes to Dany's storyline. She really couldn't go from terrified girl to queen of a barbarian horde in full self-possession in two episodes.

The direwolves are symbolic but I'm glad they're not showing them a lot. They'd have to CGI them in...they're supposedly close to full-grown now...and I really can't see how adding a wolf the size of a Shetland pony would look anything but absurd. Plus, remember, Lady's dead, and Nymeria has been driven away...that leaves no direwolves at King's Landing. We don't really see Rickon in any of the episodes, so his direwolf is in the background. Robb's storyline hasn't really taken off, and Bran is still confined to his bed. That just leaves Ghost to be featured. A huge, solid white direwolf -- very hard to pull off.

Posted by: Wednesday at May 3, 2011 2:02 PM

I was all ready to come here and rave about that last scene, but y'all covered it almost completely. The extra touch for me that made it transcendent was that building musical score. Seriously - chills up my spine. And then having the sound of the wood bleed into remembered steel for Ned as he watched was brilliant. Arya and Syrio were fantastic. It's no suprise that Arya and Tyrion are stealing this show.

I'll echo it again, too: it's true the direwolves don't need to do much yet, but we need to at least catch a glimpse of them and be reminded of their presence. Jon's relationship with Ghost is extremely important, and Robb's Grey Wind is critical at points too. Not letting the audience occasionally know that they are around is going to make their later necessary appearances seem quite arbitrary.

One slight correction, TK. We haven't met Charles Dance's Tywin yet. He's not on King Robert's council; he's back at Casterly Rock. The main reason I know this is that I had to brief my watching companions on the names and roles of each and every person in that room so that they could get full appreciation for what was going on. I am confident that the minimum necessary information will be revealed as we go, but having that extra knowledge of the book makes it a lot easier to understand what's going on and just enjoy the acting without feeling the need to process so much new data so quickly.

Muteki >> Yeah, I agree the justification for who is in the capital and who remained at Winterfell was not properly covered. I had to explain that one to the non-readers as well. As for location-jumping, it was just Catelyn. She rode down there alone to warn Ned about the Lannisters and is going back north right away.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 3, 2011 2:19 PM

The Starks 6 year old son has been referred to but never by name I don't think and I'm not sure if we've actually seen him.

Posted by: TylerDFC at May 3, 2011 2:26 PM

Rickon was in the first episode but if you didn't know who he was, it'd be easy to miss him.

Posted by: Jen at May 3, 2011 2:29 PM

"Can it be next Sunday please" is becoming a very frequently used phrase for me.

And to me, never having seen "The Wire", Aiden Gillen will always be the one who got to made out with Charlie Hunnam (and he REALLY did) in the original Queer as Folk. Ah, good times.

Posted by: Vanessa at May 3, 2011 2:36 PM

Darth is right. It's Renly, not Tywin who is the other member of the Small Counsel.

(y'all are correct. Brain hiccup, and fixed. -TK)

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at May 3, 2011 2:38 PM

Just so.

It's been some time since I read the books, can anybody confirm if Syrio referred to Arya as "boy?" in the canon? I remember someone else who did, and I'm wondering if there's a mixing of characters there.

This is one of those instances wherein I am so far gone in the books that I feel I can't properly judge the t.v. series. I feel I just cannot be impartial. I know too much, and am far too fond of the source material. I can't extricate myself from what I know long enough to objectively evaluate what HBO is doing.

Damnit, now I want to go read all bazillion books again. And then frustratingly wait for the promised sequel.

Wordy McWord on the Dink-love. Tyrion is such a great character, and the portrayal is spot on.

Posted by: Hawkeye Fierce at May 3, 2011 4:38 PM

1. Direwolves are not extinct - if you watch the show or have read the books there are simply not found INSIDE THE WALL. They have not shown ghost at the wall with John which is confusing since he is a key element to snows experience at the wall

2. WHen the direwolves first appear it is a clear OMEN. A stag (symbol of house barthenon) has killed a direwolf (symbol of house stark). Pretty obvious no?

3. Dinklidge will recieve several awards for his portrayal of Tyrion as the show progresses. The character is likable, complex, and possesses many layers.

4. WHere is Hodor? I want more Sandor Clegane and cant wait for "the mountain that rides." All should be in the next episode

Posted by: kfukeith at May 3, 2011 4:50 PM

Hawkeye >> I'm not sure if he called her a boy as it was presented in the show, but I think I remember his saying the line about her being neither a boy nor a girl and only a sword.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 3, 2011 4:52 PM

yes Syrio does call her boy as does a certain black brother and a certain guy from lorath as well - Jaqen H'ghar

Posted by: kfukeith at May 3, 2011 4:54 PM

kfukeith

- They had a shot in Ep. 2 of the group that was heading to the Wall, Benjen, Tyrion, Jon and some others, and it showed Ghost sitting with them. He hasn't been shown since, but it's clear he went with Jon to the Wall.

- Hodor was in Ep. 1. He was the big dude in the background in the shot where everyone at Winterfell kneeled before King Robert.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at May 3, 2011 5:10 PM

Forbiddendonut >> I completely missed that shot of Ghost in episode 2, and I was looking hard for him. How brief or subtle was it?

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 3, 2011 5:13 PM

I am probably in the minority here but the show doesn't really impress me. Apart from Peter Dinklage who is beyond brilliant and Arya who is adorable I just can't seem to give a fuck about the rest of the characters. And while the White Walkers are interesting if memory serves me right in the books this storyline came much later and for now we will have to deal simply with the politics

So in conclusion the show is still good and I will watch but it doesn't really excite. I am not counting down the days till the next episode the way I do with shows that truly intrigue

So overall not a bad effort. Definitely better then average but nothing truly special


Cue the rabid fanboy hate

Posted by: Yesplease at May 3, 2011 5:45 PM

The first great episode of the show. The first two were good, but seemed a bit crammed. This one eased up a bit, which I am very thankful for.

There was one thing that must have been left on the cutting room floor: Viseris' anger about being ordered around came out of nowhere. The seen were he is being told to ride at the back of the column with the unblooded younglings (at least I think that's what it was) was seemingly left out. That was a bit of a letdown.

I really liked Baelish and Syrio. Where did they get someone this short? Even Tom Cruise is taller.

Posted by: FabMax at May 3, 2011 5:48 PM

*dripping frothy rabies all over Yesplease*

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 3, 2011 6:37 PM

Darth-C - It was pretty quick. I believe it was in the establishing shot of the camp right before the scene between Jon and Tyrion where Tyrion went on about Jon's new "family."

Yesplease - If you're looking for rabid fanboy hate, probably need to look elsewhere. No need for it really. I think folks are happy enough with the show that someone who isn't really isn't much of a bother, except for DarthCorleone, of course. That dude is just ca-razy!

Posted by: ForbiddenDonut at May 3, 2011 6:44 PM

i thought this was the best episode so far. yes, dinklage as tyrion and whoever as arya are the best so far. cersei drives me crazy in the books but i quite like headey's interpretation of the character.

my favorite scene was the one with jamie and ned in the throne room. i think they've made the right decision by revealing a bit more. actually, add nikolaj whatever (sorry this one's hard to remember and spell) to the list of actors who are nailing their roles.

that final scene was pretty good too.

the cheap looking (at least to me) sets bothered me less this week so maybe i'm getting used to them.

still in love with kit harington as jon snow. i think he's doing a good job with the role.

fuck, i guess i'm a fanboy.

Posted by: splinter at May 3, 2011 7:19 PM

This show is my new TV crack. Downloaded the book and will have a go at it this weekend. If it goes as well as I think it will I may be looking at being caught up by the time book 5 comes out mid-July. Then again, moving from one end of the country (FL) to the other (OR) and trying to pack after a rear end collision screwed up my back something fierce kinda precludes reading so who knows. Although the drive to OR should make for some prime reading time, no?

Posted by: Az at May 3, 2011 9:19 PM

To anyone who has not read the books, this series gets better and better as time goes on, the action is about to begin, hold onto your socks,you aint seen nothing yet, its gonna get intense, be ready for justice, vengence, fire and blood!!!!!

Posted by: travis at May 3, 2011 9:29 PM

Great episode. I'm putting aside my intense love of the books and trying to look at the show as is.

I seem to be one of the few who wasn't particularly bothered by the Dany rewrite. Yes, she's gaining independence and coming into her own, but her psychotic brother is really the last great big boogeyman in her life, even though the sisterly love she has for him makes it hard for her to see. It makes sense that the other dude (can't remember name) made Viserys walk, she doesn't have the strength yet. She had just finished pleading for his life. I actually find that unhealthy brother/sister relationship to be quite fascinating and I wish the show touched on it more. A younger sibling trying to garner the love and approval of the elder is something that many people can relate to.

Oh, and Dinklage better get a fucking Emmy. I'm pretty sure I can watch him read the phone book and still be riveted.

Posted by: Kala at May 4, 2011 12:22 AM

For the ones confused about who is in Winterfell and who is in King's Landing:

I've read the books, and I too was a bit confused at first. Ned only took the two girls with him - Sansa, so she can marry Joffrey, and Arya... well, I'm not sure why, but probably so she could be with her sister. I don't remember the reasoning in the book.

Bran couldn't go as he was injured. Rickon was too young, Jon is going to the Wall and Robb stayed behind to help run things in Ned's absence.

The confusing thing is that it took Robert 40 days to ride to Winterfell. The trip back didn't seem to take as long, and Cat made it even quicker. It's makes it a little confusing to understand that there is quite a bit of distance between Winterfell and King's Landing, so people can't just "pop down to King's landing to say hi"

All that aside, I am loving this show. They've really done a first-rate job in turning such a complex and huge story into something that's watchable by people who've never read the books. The casting is nearly perfect in so many of the roles. The story is easy enough to follow that my wife is able to keep up (and she never reads fantasy). I'm glad HBO is getting good ratings for this - they deserve it. And it also means we'll get to see future seasons :)


Posted by: OldRod at May 4, 2011 9:21 AM

Count me in with those who think that they've done all, or nearly all, at least, of the changes from the books with excellent tact and good reasoning.

I was miffed with the marriage night scene initially, but the more I thought about it, I realized that it would have strained credulity for those who hadn't watched. Screen time forces you to extend certain developments, even if there are clues (or outright statements, though that usually comes of hacky) that a certain amount of time has passed.

I think all the changes have been in the service of resolving this tension. Making Dany resist, albeit lightly, and Joquo do the disciplining of Viserys is more credible at this stage in the show.

And then there's the matter of not introducing too many new characters per episode... moving Donal Noye's lines to Tyrion allowed them to avoid yet another character in one that had already given us Lord Commander Mormont, Grenn, Pyp, Toad, Ser Aliser Thorne, Varys, Renly, and Syrio Forel. And Joquo.

(Gosh, did I miss any?)

As of now, I'm entirely happy with all the rewrites. The only quibbles I have are some pacing issues (the scene with the small council felt like it was being played at 1.4x real time... rushed), and some stilted lines here and there (Littlefinger and Sansa mostly, and sometimes Jon isn't on point).

I think they've done a bang up job of condensing a lot of characters and development with only a *little* bit of rushed feeling. This show is 2 and a quarter hours in and they've already given us at least 18 major characters, a dozen or so minor ones and still more mentioned by name or implication. In four locales. If new watchers are anywhere north of "mostly following it all" I'd call that damned impressive.

Posted by: K at May 4, 2011 1:43 PM

er, sorry, change "watched" to "read the books" in the second paragraph.

Posted by: K at May 4, 2011 1:50 PM

If this has alredy been said, I apologize, but I was too lazy to read the whole comment thread.

Where the hell is Ghost? I get that showing the direwolves can't been done to the full extent of how they are portrayed in the books, but Jon's direwolf (and Robb's) have been virtually invisible and Ghost ia actually critical to.....many upcoming things.(trying to keep spoiler free)

Posted by: bokchoi at May 4, 2011 5:42 PM

Having not read the books, and thus not knowing where the story goes, I hope nothing but bad things happen to Joffrey. I can't stand that little shit.

Posted by: Kobie at May 5, 2011 10:24 PM

For me, good things about the show:

-I'll add my voice to all of you who've already said how awesome Tyrion is, Peter Dinklage is really going to town with the character and he is so much fun to watch.
- The scene with Cersei and Joffrey, which shows how unhealthy their relationship is and gives up more time to feel the JOFFREY FACEPUNCH urges we all seem to get whenever he comes onscreen. Plus more insight into the Lannisters: "Everyone who isn't us is an enemy"
- Syrio Forel!! Love that scene, love his ridiculous accent, love him, and love Arya
- Ned Stark, it's like Sean Bean could do this role in his sleep, he's so perfect for it. I enjoyed the parenting he did which showed he understood that Sansa was wrong and why she lied, and even more, the difficulty of having Arya ask him why he would even let Sansa marry Joffrey if he was a liar. Poor Ned.
-Jaime Lannister, who was awesome in this episode:) You can see he's blinded by his love for Cersei but there is potential in him for more
- EVERYTHING!:)


Things I don't like

-no real blondes (seriously, are there no blonde actors in Hollywood? at least Jaime Lannister is doing a great job with the role, but they couldn't find someone else for Cersei?)
-Lena Headey as Cersei. In the book, Cersei is supposed to be hotness incarnate, but I just don't see it in the show. I keep thinking if only Monica Belluci were blonde...there must be other blondes right?
- Jaime's armor, isn't it meant to be golden?
-all the Stark boys look like they should be in a boy band called Douche. Jon Snow is a kickass character so I really hope this actor can pull it off. And Bran seems to be played by a little girl. I can't even tell the difference between Jon and Robb sometimes.
- lots has already been said about Daenarys and the Khal being more rape than it is in the book. I guess I feel bad complaining about it because it seems to work for the tv show, plus I understand that the format is different so it's got to be rushed as well.
- Catelyn isn't bitchy enough, in the book she's worse. I wish they'd kept the scene in episode 1 where when Jon comes to say goodbye to an unconscious Bran she tells him, "It should have been YOU", thus illustrating how much she hates her husband's bastard, how difficult she's made his life just for being born, and how annoying she is. It makes it more clear why Jon would even choose to go to the Wall when he obviously loves his siblings

Anyway these are all small nitpicky complains, overall the show is AWESOME:)

Posted by: Kishmish at May 8, 2011 11:36 AM