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The Middle Child of the Late-Night Wars

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under TV Reviews | Comments (54)



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Almost anyone with a reasonably intelligent sense of humor and a fondness for sophisticated low-brow comedy likes and appreciates Conan O’Brien. A late-night presence now for over 17 years, O’Brien has developed a massive following of people who “like” him. But liking Conan O’Brien and consistently tuning into his late-night shows are two different things. There was never anything on his resume or in his repertoire that drew the sort of fervor and adulation that Letterman and Jon Stewart command, and he’s always been a little too eggheaded to usurp the tuneless and brain-dead Leno audience. In the late night wars, where Jimmy Fallon is the Cousin Oliver, Conan O’Brien is the middle child, the ill-defined Gen Xer of the bunch.

While Conan’s ouster from “The Tonight Show” after less than a year may have represented the lowest point of his career, it may also be his salvation — in this new era of Conan, it may very well be what defines him. No longer is Conan the middle child; now, he’s the one who got dicked over, jilted by bumbling executives and a smarmy bully unwilling to relinquish control. It was the way he was let go from “The Tonight Show,” more than any other thing in his career, that finally stirred his base into action, that converted millions of people who “liked” him into what will hopefully be people that love him enough to tune into his new show on TBS on a nightly basis.

There’s reason to feel skeptical, however. For all that is likable about Conan, he’s never been a talk-show host who has been able to penetrate us emotionally. He’s smart and irreverent, but doesn’t engage with us as intellectually as do Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, nor is he given to the sort of personal anecdotes and occasional bouts of sincerity that Letterman has used over the years to allow us to invest into his show emotionally. Conan O’Brien is a comedian, and he’s a damn good one, but for the majority of late-night viewers, he’s a consistent second choice behind Letterman or Jon Stewart or even Leno on the other side of the humor equation.

Over on TBS, it’s clear from his first show that O’Brien is trying to capitalize on that also-ran status, and retain our sympathies with constant reminders of what brought him to basic cable. It works to an extent, and there’s certainly a lot of comedy to be mined from that situation, as the opening segment to his new show, as well as several monologue jokes that he landed successfully (“I decided to name my show ‘Conan,’ because it would be harder to replace me”), revealed. And while the flap with NBC has brought out his sincerity, there’s still a certain level of detachment in his earnestness. That approach has made for a consistently funny show over the last 17 years, yet for all the affection many have for Conan, it’s never been the sort of cozy, comfortable relationship to which it’s easy to fall asleep.

Maybe that changes with this new TBS show, and maybe he’ll invite us further in on basic cable, but the pilot episode doesn’t suggest as much. The set is familiar, but not quite the same — a basic cable version of his show over on NBC — and even the band has an ironically detached and generic name, “The Basic Cable Band,” a reminder that it has neither the personality of The Roots, Paul Schaeffer, or even Max Weinberg. Last night’s first guest, Seth Rogen, was perfect in the role for the way that he epitomizes Conan: A funny guy, a likable actor, but not quite anyone’s favorite.

Indeed, “Conan” has the same brand of off-beat Conan humor that’s carried him for nearly two decades, only now it’s been injected with a dose of wounded pride. Yet, he remains the same guy who’d rather make jokes than display sincerity. He doesn’t want us to feel sorry for him, and while that’s commendable, it doesn’t allow us to fully feel his pain, either. And so, for many of us, he remains a mostly a talk-show host we want to succeed, who we want to have on our televisions, and who we want to have available to us at all times.

But watch him? Well, absolutely! For the first week out of simple loyalty and as a loud fuck you to Jay Leno and NBC. But after that? Sure, when “The Daily Show” is in repeats.









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Comments

I think the pot shots at NBC and his ouster were kind of required. He has to acknowledge what happened in a funny way, but eventually move past it. Otherwise he'll always be "that other guy NBC hired to do The Tonight Show but fired to bring back Leno."

Posted by: Fredo at November 9, 2010 3:49 PM

So Leni is a "smarmy bully", huh? I guess someone who has never had a bad word for anyone and who has always gone far beyond the call of duty and has always been there to help out a fellow stand-up comic, (something which Conan has never and will never be because he sucks at standup) and is selfless, well that is now seen as being a bully and smarmy.

Y'know, my parents never taught me that helping out other people as Leno has done his entire career was smarmy, but rather the right thing to do. Viciously attacking people and calling them names with out a shred of evidence to back it up as you have continually done to Leno, now THAT is smarmy.

Oh, and before you and all of the other spazzes go into seizures over Conan's opening night ratings, he be bottoming out before long and Leno will be back on top as he always has been while hosting the Tonight Show.

Posted by: Mr. Pancake at November 9, 2010 3:53 PM

Who the fuck is this cherry?

Posted by: Rykker at November 9, 2010 3:56 PM

i kind of like Conan O’Brien´s program but as i am a mom now, i have not much time...You know.

Mafer

Posted by: Mafer Bv cures at November 9, 2010 3:57 PM

The things that you point out as minor flaws are precisely the reasons why I love Conan. Like many among us, he is a very private individual who masks much of his pain and anger in jokes and self-deprecation. I don't really want an earnest and sincere Conan. I want the ginger smart-ass who mocks himself as thoroughly as he mocks others. I don't want a friend - I want a guy who makes me laugh my ass off with masturbating bears, gaseous wieners and insult comic dogs.
Over the last ten years, as Letterman's show settled into an all too comfortable rut, Conan seemed always willing to go just a little farther than the others, pushing the envelope as much as possible. He was denied that edge on The Tonight Show and I hope he regains it on TBS.

Posted by: Spender at November 9, 2010 4:01 PM

Mr. Pancake,
Have you been in this beer joint before?

Posted by: Spender at November 9, 2010 4:02 PM

That's goddamn precious. I didn't know Leno had fans. I thought he just had people who weren't paying attention, merely using him as a TV screensaver. Fer cute.

Posted by: Courtney at November 9, 2010 4:03 PM

I disagree. I grew up watching CONAN. To me he isn't just a comedian. He's always come across as a nice, smart, genuine kind of guy. The way he talks to the guests. It's like a normal conversation. I do feel cozy in bed watching before I go to sleep.

He's the only one of all the late-night talk show hosts that can make any interview interesting.
I don't know about you but when I do watch Letterman or Kimmel or even the The Daily Show, I would always change the channel when it came time to the interviews. Jon Stewart is funny but even he can't keep me watching an interview with some dude who wrote a book that I never even heard of.

I'll be watching CONAN.

Posted by: junierizzle at November 9, 2010 4:04 PM

Mr. Pancake,

I challenge you to a duel. *glove slap*

Posted by: Ben Ruthlessburger at November 9, 2010 4:05 PM


" intelligent " and " sophisticated "are adjectives that are always
attached to conan and his idolators while viewers who prefer leno's
brand of humor are dopes who don't know any better.
mr. pancake, i am with you all the way. i have nothing against o'brien or those who find his brand of humor amusing but i find
him to be a yawn inducing boor.
it's a matter of taste not intelligence or sophistication.

Posted by: snake at November 9, 2010 4:07 PM

To add on to the Mr. Pancake whipping: he doesn't really know much about Jay Leno, and I didn't either until that whole mess went down in January.

And he doesn't know much about Conan either - the most genuine, supportive, and authentically cool guy on TV. He supported his writers when they went on strike a few years ago, and my love was cemented. He used his NBC buyout earlier this year to take care of all of his crew, and my love expanded. I'm doing after-school activities at a private school right now, and his 7 year old daughter is in my group and is a polite delight, and my love has exploded into rainbows of sunshine and daisies.

Jay Leno is a fuck-ass, and most comedians agree.

Posted by: Rest In Peace at November 9, 2010 4:15 PM

What is going on in here?!

I think that Conan is clearly the better in the Leno/Conan debate. It wasn't only Conan he has screwed over in his life, it was Letterman too. How people can stand up for this guy baffles the mind.

Posted by: Petrie at November 9, 2010 4:20 PM

...and the Most Obvious Troll Post of the Day Award goes to... Mr. Pancake!

Now that we've pointed that out, remember: don't feed the troll, kids.

Posted by: Seany D at November 9, 2010 4:20 PM

Mr. Pancake, let's be honest, you work for NBC, right?

Posted by: jayco at November 9, 2010 4:22 PM

"Leno will be back on top as he always has been while hosting the Tonight Show."


FALSE, in fact, before the Hugh Grant interview, Leno's ratings were behind Letterman's.

Posted by: Petrie at November 9, 2010 4:25 PM

I like Conan. He is often very funny. But I don't like the late night talk show format. The opening monologue is ok. But I could care less about the vast majority of guests and the crap they are there to peddle. Conan is good enough to get a laugh or two out of the interview. But often times I just don't care enough to stick around to get those laughs. The same is true for Stewart. Colbert is the only one that makes the interviews consistently watchable no matter who the guest is.

Posted by: Dave at November 9, 2010 4:27 PM

This review didn't really discuss the actual *premiere* that much. I'm surprised.

How amazing was the musical number?! I love it every time I see Coco perform. He seems genuinely happy when he's holding a guitar. That was a great number.

Posted by: cjw at November 9, 2010 4:30 PM

Leno's jokes are lame and obvious...any time I've tried to watch his show, I've remained stone-faced, wondering "When will it get funny? This kind of 'hyuk-hyuk' crap is what passes for hilarity with most Americans?". Then I remember that Two and a Half Men and Mike and Molly are also extremely popular, and thus popular does not necessarily equal funny or good.

Conan's jokes border on the absurd and silly, and that's not for everyone, but at least his comedy isn't flat-out dumb.

Posted by: Jessie at November 9, 2010 4:32 PM

junierizzle I agree with you about Jon Stewart's interviews now. I liked that show so much better when it was satirical Dateline with celebrity guests.

Posted by: Melissa at November 9, 2010 4:47 PM

Mr. Pancake,

Your name isn't Todd, is it?

Posted by: Paultera at November 9, 2010 4:52 PM

Who are you people? I think Pajiba just hatched a new crop.

Posted by: BWeaves at November 9, 2010 5:04 PM

Eh, I was never a big Conan fan. He's OK. Better than Leno.

Posted by: Slash at November 9, 2010 5:46 PM

We don't know Jay Leno. He's never gone on stage and poured his heart out, so all we can base it off of is the persona he puts out, and at best its workingman and efficient, but still cold. You got to see Conan near the end there, and I think that endeared him to a lot of people.

What I think Dustin didn't exactly expand upon, was that this opening show was a little weak. His remote stuff is always good (ie. the opening), but he had too many basic cable/nbc jokes. But then he had an awesome moveable moon. It felt too much like a hybrid of the old late night and what he did near the end when he didn't give a shit about nbc. I'm hoping they get into rhythm, and change the format up a bit. Plus Conan always has had the best musical guests (though Fallon's got it good with an amazing house band.)

I also don't get this "choose" between Conan and Stewart. Where I live, Conan is on at 9pm, and replays at 11pm. While Stewart starts at midnight. It's cable people, there are re-runs galore, it's a different business model.

Posted by: e at November 9, 2010 6:01 PM

I don't watch Leno but I've never though Conan was all that funny either.

Actually, I don't watch any of the late-night shows end-to-end with the exception of "Chelsea Lately," and that isn't really very funny either.

Maybe the late-night format is just dead or dozing and waiting for the Next Big Thing.

Or maybe Comedy is Dead.

Posted by: , at November 9, 2010 6:33 PM

It's looking like this is going to be closer to The Graham Norton Show than the major network talk shows in tone, and that's a wonderful thing. I don't care if I know nothing about Conan as a person beyond some basic stats. He's funny, engaging, and utterly twisted as a writer and comedian. I don't love everything about his shtick, but I think that would be impossible. He's reaching for everyone without betraying his comedic identity and I respect that.

Run free, Conan. Let your demented flag fly all over the airwaves. So long as you don't fire Andy Richter, who is great with a one-liner, I'll do my best to watch you during my bouts of insomnia.

Posted by: Robert at November 9, 2010 6:54 PM

I don't know what's come over me. I really want to vagina-punch Mr. Pancake STAT.

Posted by: readrick at November 9, 2010 7:09 PM

I've always found Conan's "making faces" to be annoying; that prevented me from thinking of him as more intelligent than the other hosts. I only watched him when he had an interesting guest - but I wouldn't want to see him on an ongoing basis.

Posted by: Pat C. at November 9, 2010 7:14 PM

I REALLY liked Conan with a beard. I found him almost.... dare I say it.... somewhat attractive.

Plus I laughed a lot. Might have been the herb I smoked, in ode to Seth Rogen, but it very well might have been Conan too.....

Posted by: Janey at November 9, 2010 7:20 PM

And I'd like to point out that I typed and sumbitted my comment at 4.20 my time. Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: Janey at November 9, 2010 7:21 PM

I'm with cjw-the music was the best part of the night. I want that album-and apparently conan has a seven inch record out of him retelling the Frankenstein story too.

Posted by: Gem at November 9, 2010 9:00 PM

I have always thought that Conan was incredibly sincere. His last night on The Tonight Show moved me to tears, and I can't say that about any other late night show. Conan's roots aren't in performance or stand-up. First and foremost, he's a writer. That's part of the reason I find him so relatable; he is more focused on the material and creating a genuine connection with his guests, more so than creating a personality.

Also, I love how he is embracing this rock star persona. His stage show this summer was awesome; he rocked with his guitar all night. He played with Chris Issak the night I went. He rocked with Jack White, and I hope to see him rock in future weeks. Even if I don't catch his show every night, I will DVR it so it will get some sort of ratings boost.

Okay, fine! You beat it out of me. I love Conan.

Posted by: Ruth at November 9, 2010 9:22 PM

I think Conan does comedy for comedy's sake better than anyone else. As much as its easy to love Jon Stewart as a comedian as well as a human being, it becomes too easy to accept everything he says at face value "because he's such a great person". Not that he's not often right. He almost always is. But i feel like people almost look past the point of what he actually says and are content in the fact that he outwitted whatever right or left wing nut job on that night. That aside, I think there's something admirable about Conan relentlessly trying to be nothing but funny every night. He doesn't have to be human, just entertaining.

Posted by: dr_dysentery at November 10, 2010 12:04 AM

Oh I do love Conan! He embraced the Team Coco stuff with the self-conscious scrappy humor that probably embarrasses him slightly but is so endearing.

I like watching him not because he has me on the edge of my seat, but because he is reliably good for a chuckle in a Bored to Death kind of way. Easy and charming and I never cringe because it feels like he is trying to hard.

Face it, late night TV is not a breathless hilarity marathon. Even Ferguson (who I love!) gives off the sort of "white knuckled please laugh" vibe under all his melodic baroque. Even Conan's first show back was a staccato-devil-may-care atmosphere: exactly what I would expect and want. That time of night I just want some charismatic laffs. Nothing I would feel bad for missing if I decided to roll over onto the boyfriend late at night, but nothing that would make me regret going to sleep with just his orange pompadour to guide me to my dreams.

Posted by: Lola at November 10, 2010 1:10 AM

I feel the opposite, junierizzle, about Jon Stewart's interviews. I usually hate watching him interview celebrities and really like his interviews with authors. Politicians are the best guests, of course.

I'd have to agree with dave about the late night format. I tend to stop watching Conan when his guests come on, unless I really like them. And Colbert does make just about anyone watchable, except maybe musicians.

Conan and Jon both have a lameness about their comedy, which is part of why I like them both and I don't have to choose between them.

Posted by: Uda at November 10, 2010 3:12 AM

You seem to mention every single late night talk show host except Ferguson, probably the most innovative, deconstructive, and personal of all the talk show hosts on television today. If you want someone who connects emotionally and intellectually this is your guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLqeNhHs4n8

Posted by: ChristianH at November 10, 2010 11:19 AM

Posted by: ChristianH at November 10, 2010 11:27 AM

typical bunch of vile comments from a bunch of spazzoids, I expected nothing more and got nothing more.

Funny how all you did was take further potshots at Leno while being unable to dispute anything I said about him or Conan.

Conan paid his staff during the writers strike.

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big fucking deal.

Leno did the same thing, in fact Leno did it first and went much further, Conan only paid his writers, Leno paid for everyone on the staff of the Tonight Show, and eventually went back on the air to save peoples jobs while Conan let people rot and lose their jobs and livelihoods.

But according to y'all, that's ok 'cause Conan Is hTE COOLEST EVAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Y'all come across as the bunch of spazzoid dorks who were quite rightly harrased and had the shit kicked out of you in high school, yet can't let it go even though it's been 20 years. Pathetic.

Posted by: Mr. Pancake at November 10, 2010 1:25 PM

Troll.

Posted by: ChristianH at November 10, 2010 2:08 PM

ChristianH,

Awww, wook at a ittle baby fwowing a tantum because someone dares to disagree with them and gives a different opinion. How dare I!!!!

Thing is, your lame ass "troll" response proves beyond all doubt that i am right about Leno and Conan and y'all are wrong. I'd expect y'all to be sucking my honker when Conan's ratings sink beneath the surface in a month, way, way, way, way below Leno's but we both know y'all are blubbery pussy cowards who never admit to being wrong, instead you just post lame shit like, "Troll," and then go blubbering to Mommy to change your shit and piss filled diaper for the 12th time that day.

Posted by: Mr. Pancake at November 10, 2010 4:41 PM

Troll 2: Trollier Than Thou

Posted by: ChristianH at November 10, 2010 4:51 PM

Pardon me Mr. Pancake, but do you have an acquired brain injury?

Posted by: Sarz at November 11, 2010 5:36 AM

ChristianH,

See, the thing is that I win and keep on winning because you keep responding to my posts, thus making you even more of a pathetic spazzoid loser who still has to wear a diaper at the age of 28, because you still aren't toilet trained.

But you just keep on hating, though I do hope that if you and the other shitbags who posted to this thread act like this in public that some combination of the follwoing happens to you repeatedly:

1) Slapped in the face.

2) Punched in the face.

3)Punched in the stomach, followed by a knee to the face.

4) drinks poured over your head

5) Drinks thrown at you.

6) Pants and underwear pulled down and then everyone stands around and points and laughs like hyenas at your miniscule and stinking genitals and takes pics for later uploading to the 'net for permanent humiliation.

Posted by: Mr. Pancake at November 11, 2010 12:08 PM

ChristianH,

C'mon big boy, where the fuck did you run off and cry to now? Back to your uber plumper momma, you fucking coward? Wassa matta, is a ittle coward afraid of yet another humiliating asswhipping in front of all his ittle buddies?

C'mon out and refute any of the things I've said, you blubbering coward.

Posted by: Mr. Pancake at November 11, 2010 3:08 PM

Troll 3: The Trollening

Posted by: ChristianH at November 11, 2010 9:02 PM

Posted by: ChristianH at November 11, 2010 9:04 PM

Posted by: ChristianH at November 11, 2010 9:20 PM

Test

Posted by: Dustin Rowles at November 12, 2010 9:29 AM

ChristianH,

*Sneers while sighing and sadly shaking head*

Yes, yes, it's the usual recourse of the spazz dorkoid, when you have lost the arguement or can't refute any points made by your obviously superior opponent, run off blubbering to mommy and get her to wipe the shit off your butthole yet again and call your opponent a troll. In your demented deranged universe, this "proves" that you have somehow "won" the argument.

Oh, as for your youtube links, galaxy fail for you as they don't load. Learn how to code properly dork spazzoid.

Posted by: Mr. Pancake at November 12, 2010 11:13 AM

ChristianH,

Saint NightWalker, is that you? C'mon Trev, I PWNed your ass and continue to do so on the Gaiman board where I have been continually posting every day ever since you supposedly got everyone there to in your words, "band together and drove that scum out of town>" Funny how you were the one who ran off like a crying blubbering bitch, just like you have hear, where it seems that I have now PWNed you since you for some reason just can't let it go and admit that everything I have written about Conan and Leno was spot on and everything you and all the other Conan sycophants here at Pajiba have written is worng.

Prime evidence is the fact that rather then suing things like, y'know, "facts" to try and refute my arguments, you have to resport to the pathetic lame and tired out shrieking and bleating of "TRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!", which is the last bastion of spazz dorkoids like yourself, in fact it's the only weapon in your pathetic arsenal.

Since you seem to to love BUTTHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so much, like every other poster here, why don't you go eat out your grandmas shit encrusted BUTTHOLE and have someone else using your handle who knows about logic and facts try to refute my arguments.

Loser.

Failing that, just let it go and don't respond to this post.

'Course that emans that I will have gotten the last word and therefore I will have won, but the outcome was preordained from the start.

Posted by: Mr. Pancake at November 13, 2010 11:41 AM

Someone must not have answered his three questions correctly, cuz this troll is PISSED

Posted by: ChristianH at November 15, 2010 3:30 PM

He was mowed down by machine-gun-toting NBC hit men at a security booth, a la Sonny Corleone in "The Godfather." He applied for a job in advertising and was turned down by Don Draper ("Mad Men" star Jon Hamm), who brusquely reminded him, "It's 1965 — and you're 2 years old." From behind the counter at a Burger King, he reminisced to an impatient customer about his talk-show past. Tbs Conan

Posted by: funky eye makeup ideas at November 16, 2010 9:14 AM

ChristianH,

You are the one who is pissed as you keep resonding to my posts, instead of being a mature adult and ignoring them, thus admitting defeat. 'Course tyhe fact that you continue to respond to my posts means that you are admitting defeat as well, in other words there is no way that come out the winner.

Spazz.

Posted by: Mr. Pancake at November 16, 2010 2:13 PM

ChristianH,

Wassa matta you spazzoid? Isa ittle boy afwaid of admitting he's wrong, so he runs off blubbering to mommy like the cowardly blubbery pussy that you are?

Your complete and utter lack of class/manners shows quite clearly with your refusal to admit that you are wrong or to apologize for your vicious and utterly unprovoked attacks upon me.

Spazz.

Once again, I rule.

Posted by: Mr. Pancake at November 20, 2010 11:48 AM