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10 Things We Learned From This Week's Fire-Breathing Episode Of "Game Of Thrones": Spoiler Whore and Book Reader Edition

By Joanna Robinson | TV Reviews | April 24, 2013 | Comments ()


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Author's Note: Hey folks! We're back with a book spoiler-heavy "Game Of Thrones" rundown. If you're looking for eloquent or sophisticated analysis, I suggest you head on over to TK's superlative Monday recap. This post serves mainly as an outlet for all your pent-up frustrations at having to tip-toe around your book knowledge lest you spoil a "Game Of Thrones" newbie. So, in case it isn't clear, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED BY BOOK KNOWLEDGE OR SOME INSIDER SHOW INFO, GET OUT OF HERE. SERIOUSLY, WHAT IN THE SEVEN 'ELLS ARE YOU DOING HERE? LEAVE LEST I SIC MY DRAGON ON YOU!

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Are they gone? Phew. Anything goes in the comments, folks. We're hoping this will help curb some of your urges to spoil in the regular recap. Have at it!--JR

1. Why Do You Think They're Giving Sam The Short Shrift?: Yeah, no, Samwell Tarly is not the most impressive or dashing figure in the book, but I feel like George RR Martin did a far better job of showing his worth (map reader, critical thinker). The show has reduced him to a walking fat joke and a whinger. I understand the impulse, show, but at least give the man his obsidian knife moment. Will they work that in later, do you think? Perhaps he'll cut down an Other in defense of Gilly and her baby and they'll leave out the bit where he gets a fellow Ranger killed. I hope so.
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2. Step Into My Revenge Crate Said The Spider To That Guy: So, correct me if I'm wrong, but Lord Varys does not, in fact, have his former tormenter shipped to King's Landing. Nonetheless, it made for a stunning set piece during his scene with Tyrion. There was some confusion among non-book readers as to who this fellow was. (Some thought it was Pyat Pree.) This is likely because Varys mentions both Myr and fire (Red Priest territory) and a blue light (the sign of a Qarthian warlock). Either way, I'm not sure what purpose this particular aberration is going to serve other than as a reminder that Varys is a slippery individual and Tyrion shouldn't be quite so chummy with him. P.S. Dinklage's face.
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3. You Come At The Bear, You Best Not Miss: I thought the mutiny at Craster's Keep was beautifully done. Burn Gorman (playing Dirk, I guess) and Rast did their damage. I'm glad they gave the Lord Commander a badass end, though I did miss him mentioning Jorah as he died. I feel like the show has done a terrible job reminding us the two are related. Nonetheless, George RR Martin has a tendency to go for gusto when killing off father figures and, at least, this all went off a good deal better than The Halfhand's death.
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4. Gwendoline Christie Is Killing It As Brienne: The more disheveled she gets, the more I love her. Both Christie and Coster-Waldau were fantastic. To see the golden Kingslayer brought so low is one thing, but to watch Brienne upbraid him for his self-pity is fully another. Other than swapping out the fictional "Locke" for Vargo Hoat, this is one of the story lines that's remained truest to the books and it's working so damn well. You can absolutely see the tight bond forming between these two.
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4. The Problem With Theon: For the most part, the non-book readers haaaaaaate this plot. Mostly, I think, they're frustrated that they don't know who Theon's captor is or where he is or what in the hell is going on. I don't think it was a bad choice to insert this plot into Season 3. I'd miss Alfie Allen if he disappeared for several seasons. I'm not sure it was wise to make Ramsay's identity a secret, however. Hopefully they'll rectify that soon. Regardless, Alfie Allen's crushing confession in the tunnels was lovely.
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And if you had any doubts about Iwan Rheon's ability to play the sadist, well, put them to rest.
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6. Maybe The Most Heartbreaking Moment For Those Of Us With Foreknowledge: Sansa smiling and giggling with Margaery. Ack. We know she's about to be married off to The Imp and then turned over to the evil clutches of Lord Baelish. So this scene of her just being a happy young girl for maybe the last time? Ugh, it hurts. I wonder who is going to sell Sansa out to the Lannisters? Without Dontos here it would have to be...Varys? Baelish via some spy work? Not sure. Also, I must say, of all the preposterous "ships" I've seen come out of the "Game Of Thrones" universe, the Margaery/Sansa shippers are my favorite.
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Do we care at all that Willis has been swapped out for Loras? I don't suppose we should other than the fact that it means Sansa's going to go from unspeakably happy to absolutely crushed in the span of an episode or two. Also, someone pointed out that this stump of a Weirwood tree is the closest Sansa gets to having a Godswood in King's Landing. It hurts, guys.
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7. Foreshadowing Cersei's Fall From Grace: I've admired how, all along, the show has done a great job of showing Cersei's fondness for wine. She's rarely seen without a goblet in her hand. I also enjoyed this scene (as I do any scene with Charles Dance). No, Cersei, you're not as smart as you think you are and you're *this* close to losing everything.
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8. The Sept Of Baelor: Round of applause for the amazing set piece that was the Sept of Baelor. Not so fast, Kingslayer.
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8. Lady Olenna: Meta Critic: How meta of Olenna to slam the Tyrell words. (Those words that have always made me think of a Flintstones Vitamins commercial.)
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10. F*CK YES, DAENERYS: Weiss and Benioff told Entertainment Weekly that this scene, the freeing of Astapor, is basically what convinced them they had to make this show. Well, that and The Red Wedding, I'm guessing. Did they do it justice? You're damn right they did.
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What are some of the key differences? I think the fact that in the book we're inside Dany's head and she a) doesn't reveal her plan and b) worries about what's going to happen to her dragon makes the Kraznys bait and switch much more of a surprise. Between last week's episode and this one, I think even the dimmest viewer had it figured out. The scene in the book is also a bit more violent with Dany tearing open Kraznys face with the harpy scepter followed by a detailed description of his eyeballs melting from the dragon fire. But I think this shot did the job quite nicely.
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In short, this more than makes up for Dany's boring plotline last season. Much like Jorah, I think we're all hopelessly in love with the Khaleesi now. Her Valyrian pronunciation alone was enough to give you shivers.
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New Character Rundown:

1. Beric Dondarrion: There's only one new character this week, but it's a doozy. The Lightning Lord. The Lord Of Corpses. The Man With A Plan: Beric Dondarrion.
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Do you remember seeing Beric Dondarrian briefly in Season One? Like Gregor Clegane, he was recast. I guess, uh, time and the ravages of war/dying a bunch really have changed him.
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Though his backstory will eventually be explained, I have to agree with some non-book readers that without any of that knowledge, his importance is a bit lost on the viewers. He had that badass moment where he told the Hound "no, you're going to fight me." But as far as the casual show watcher is concerned, he's just another grubby knight with an eyepatch.
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But all questions will be put to rest next week, I imagine, with this BAD ASS looking fight. It's like they turned a lightsaber up to eleven.
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But what in the heck is Melisandre doing there? In last week's post, I wondered if she would use Gendry as a substitute for Edric Storm. If that's the case it would make sense that she would find her way to the Brotherhood. But many of you (reasonably) countered that the likelier substitute with Baratheon blood would be Shireen, Stannis's daughter. Using a cute young girl would, of course, be more tragic than putting Joe Dempsie's abs in danger...of course it would.
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  • Ack, it's Saturday and we're on the cusp of the next episode. So looking forward to Jon Snow and Ygritte hot tub time machine, to the Hound v Beric Dondarrion, to the creation of Reek (never really explicated in the books), and the build-up to the drama in Kings Landing. I will say nothing about events coming in the Frey space, cuz I'm just upset already.

  • BlackRabbit

    I have a request for a spoiler: Brienne's dad is called the Evenstar of Tarth, which sounds badass. Does he demonstrate it at some point? (And I spelled Brienne right the first time. Go me.)

  • On Cast of Kings, they said "Reek"/"Reeked"/"Reeking" so many times while discussing Theon's plotline, and I needed to post this somewhere lol!

  • This show was my favorite last season but this season its WAY TOO SLOW !The writing is not good and there is so much filler like the girls talking amongst themselves and The Imps little servant getting laid and they dont make him pay for it, WHO CARES !! I want to see fighting and nudity and smart writing and clever thoughts, there is none of that this yr, almost like they are running out of things to write. Yes, Deneris is the most interesting character by far at this point in the show, but what happened to John Snow ? How about Rob Stark and why cant we see him bone his hot wife ? This show better pick up the pace or I will be watching the Sopranos re-runs again !

  • Anything we can do to hasten your departure from this thread? Just let us know.

  • Joanna, it was hilarious, as I'm sure others have noted, during your conversation with Dave Chen this week on the podcast when Dave said "reek" about a 1/2 dozen times while discussing Theon and the as-yet-unrevealed Ramsey Bolton. Your lip must be bloody from biting it so hard. I love the dynamic the two of you bring as hosts and I'm still giggling over this precious moment. Please remind Dave of this irony when the Reek/Ramsey storyline becomes clear in the show. It'll be priceless.

  • Christopher A

    I thought I was the only one to catch that. The best part is that Joanna totally set him up by saying the word "reek" once, and Dave ran with it.
    It was like a joke inside of another joke.

  • cointoss

    Key point for showrunners in Theon's storyline is: if Ramsay was revealed earlier...we would be suspicious of Roose working with Robb and the Red Wedding will be spoiled for this season.

  • Lisa

    RE: Theon's story. I'm not seeing that much hate from non-book readers, it's mostly irritation at how confusing it is. And that goes back to the end of last season and the way they showed the burning of Winterfell. I guess they wanted to keep the fact that the Boltons did it a secret since that would make viewers question Roose's loyalties. So the whole thing is a big ball of confusion for non-readers and I'm not sure how satisfied they will be when it becomes clear.

    However, as a reader I'm loving it. Ramsay killing his own men just to mess with Theon is a great way to show people how freaking psycho this dude is. Plus those are some awesome crazy eyes.

  • Alan

    there is kind of a hint when roose tells rob that his bastard reported that when he got to winterfell it was burned while it is clear in the TV series that they were there before the burning (horn blowing annoying theon, etc.)

  • manting

    In the Next episode the fight between Dpndarrion and the Hound is key to my theory that the Hound is alive. Remember Thoros says the lord of light snapped Dondarrion's sword and that the Hound must have some task or purpose otherwise he would have been killed. The Hound will end up killing his brother, or the thing that is his brother - Ser Robert Strong - the Frankenstein monster of the kinsgaurd
    By the way the hound is alive and is the large new bother at the tidal monestary that Brienne and Hyle Hunt visit. Hes the big one with the limp.

  • Maddy

    There are Sansa/Margaery shippers? LOL

  • Maddy

    OMG Sansa's face! She looked so happy and it made me so sad at what's about to happen Sophie Turner is so underrated but she does such an amazing job!

  • This post has way to many spoilers from the book. Thanks for that!!!!! NOT!!!

  • DanielK

    In a way I agree with you. I haven't yet finished DWD (I'm about half way through) and when I was reading through the comments I noticed an entire conversation arc about the ending of DWD but really it's my fault for reading it. If I was really that bothered about spoilers I should have though about what would be in this article and it's comments.

    So yeah, it is spoiler saturated, heck, it's built on spoilers, but If you're really that bothered about them why are you reading this page?

  • manting

    I recommend getting hooked on phonics my friend. READING is fundamental.

  • If you didn't read that gigantic warning in the intro, you've only got yourself to blame.

    What I'm saying is: That was kind of dumb of you, huh?

  • Yeah perhaps my fault, felt tempted to read more.. perhaps I should consider getting into the books.

  • deadnotsleeping

    I'm thinking Ros as the Dontos stand-in; they did make her Littlefinger's... assistant manager?

    The Loras/Willias switch confirms for me that Sansa/Willas is not GRRM's endgame, which makes me kind of really sad, since I have managed to fall in love with that 'ship without ever having seen half of it.

  • strand0410

    I wish they also addressed how lame the Tully sigil and words are.

  • 1. I wish they wouldn't give Sam the short end of the stick. He's not the best, but he does prove himself smart and capable in some ways. I'm assuming they're going to give him the obsidian blade moment (seriously, where are those macguffins?) to drive forward his and Gilly's relationship. It might even lead to a Sam sex scene. OH BOY.

    2. I didn't like the scene with Varys and the sorcerer. It was so contrived and throwaway. He has a conversation with Tyrion about how he has no proof, only whispers, then shows Tyrion proof. The actions didn't fit that at all. Varys is about being behind-the-scenes and not making the moves himself; what the hell is he going to do with the damn sorcerer now? Put him in the black cells? Real original, Varys.

    3. Burn Gorman's "Karl" in the series, but whatever. He nailed it. I wish that someone had figured out that they could make extra seasons with separate storylines, because I didn't get emotional over Jeor's death. It was like, welp. Another important guy dead. That sucks. He's been in so many cut scenes, and those have been focused on Sam, that the death didn't resonate. But RIP, Old Bear.

    4. Gwendoline Christie is a damn goddess.

    5. My mom's reaction to the Ramsay-Theon storyline has been, "Uh. Ooookaaaaaaaaayyyyy." I wish that his introduction had been in season 2. Theon released Ramsay (who had switched clothes with the original Reek, who was murdered) from the Winterfell dungeons. He rolls out, gets his army, and starts the seizure of Winterfell by murdering Rodrik Cassel. That would've sharpened up season 2 quite a bit, especially since we're just wandering aimlessly right now.

    6. It irked me that they changed Willas to Loras, only because it's blatantly obvious via Renly-Loras sex scene to us that Loras is three gay sheets to the wind and it makes Sansa look even dumber that she doesn't know that. Willas. It was just a name. We get some story about a dingbat cousin named Alanna -- who's not even real -- but we can't get Willas? GOT, pls.

    7. I loved how Tywin just ran down Cersei about Joffrey. Seriously, lady, he's a kid. Slap him like everyone else has been doing and take away his crossbows. It's your fault Ned lost his head for having no spine and stopping him.

    8. I had to explain to my mom who the "last Targaryens" were and why they were important to the scene with the Hound. She didn't appreciate the details about Gregor Clegane smashing baby Aegon into the wall.

    --

    It looks like they're merging Gendry with Edric Storm, which will give him a better ending (I think) than doing what Hot Pie did and staying behind at some nameless inn for the rest of his life. A major detail is that Davos was the one who smuggled Edric Storm away from Melisandre and crazy Stannis, and he's still stuck in the dungeons, sooooooooo.

  • lowercase_ryan

    Regarding Littlefinger and his affections/intentions...

    Think he has anything planned for the Freys? I do believe he loved Cat and I think he will do something to them down the line.

  • manting

    I dont but I do believe the Freys are in for some rough times ahead, as are the Boltons. Im pretty sure Walder Frey sings this song

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

  • Tinkerville

    I've held this theory for a long time, even though I'm not quite sure how he'll go about it. I have wondered if him doing so will lead to a run in between him and Lady Stoneheart since she's already been getting her own revenge against the Freys.

  • Ben

    That kind of sucks that it is going to be Melissandre instead of Thoros of Myr. They basically just made the drunk priest of the light a sidenote.

  • KingEntropy

    I believe it is still Thoros who brings back Beric if that's what you're thinking, as he is in that scene. She's sort of there to witness the Lord of Light's work through him.

  • Enarra

    My thought is that they are using Melissandre to help the TV viewers figure out that Thoros is the same as her. We know what she can do, but he's not wearing (much) red and it hasn't been super clearly stated that he's a red priest too. So her showing up and then looking horrified at what he's been doing (see GIF) seems to make sense.

  • lowercase_ryan

    And now we get ready for Mundane: Life in Meereen.

  • xc

    Nah that won't be until later next season, if that. We still get Yunkai, which was pretty badass in the books. Plus the sack of Meereen was good (although no Belwas, boo) ... the boring political shit doesn't start until ADWD.

  • christopherdlc

    All i thought about during the credits. Sad, boring times ahead...

  • KV

    I must've missed the Melissandre-Beric Dondarion scene. When did that happen?

  • Three_nineteen

    Apparently, someone has already made gifs from next week's episode. The Melisandre-Beric and sword-on-fire scenes are coming on Sunday.

  • Eva

    I SO agree about Gwendoline as Brienne. My favorite moments with her so far have just been when she's silent and you can see everything she's feeling and wrestling with in her eyes. But of course every moment with her is fantastic. Man, just reading the recap of episode make me feel all the feelings. I'm sad, scared and exhilarated at the same time. Also agree about how frightening it was to see Rheon's face light up with glee when Theon was handed back to the torturers. That face is why I loved him so in the misfits, and now... Now I'm just terrified.

  • lowercase_ryan

    1) Disappear Alfie for the rest of the season and have him pop up as Reek next season in a medieval torture helmet. Old Gods and New, I beg you, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease let this happen.

    2) Baelish is devious sure, sinister even. But I have never thought him evil. And unless I'm forgetting something (which never ever ever happens) he's had Sansa's back all along.

    3) and um, fuck yeah Game of Thrones!

  • Not disappearing, Alfie gave an interview to Rolling Stone this week where he talks about upcoming scenes. I think D&D really like Alfie and don't want to have him away from the show.

  • Artemis

    I guess we have different definitions of having someone's back. Whether or not Littlefinger "loves" Cat or Sansa, he has never, not even a single time, done something for either of them that was not for the purpose of trying to either have them for himself or punish them for not wanting him. Yeah, he hides Cat when she comes to King's Landing -- and then uses the time she is there to tell her a lie that provokes the war, and to convince Ned to trust him long enough for him to make sure Ned winds up dead. And sure, he helped Sansa escape from King's Landing -- but only so that he could force her to play house with him as he manipulated and then murdered her aunt, plotted to kill her cousin, and made very clear that his ultimate plan is to make her into his creepy Cat-substitute lover.


    Frankly, I couldn't give a crap whether he really, truly loved Cat. There are lots of men (and some women, too) who hurt people they claim to love, but at the end of the day the object of their affection is still dead, or traumatized, or trapped with a partner he or she is too afraid to leave. And what do you know -- Cat and her oldest son end up dead because of a war that Littlefinger caused despite knowing it would place her and her whole family at enormous risk, and Sansa is a fugitive who is literally and figuratively trapped on a mountain and has to do whatever Littlefinger says as he makes eyes at her. Because Littlefinger has his own back, always, and whatever he felt for Cat and now Sansa is always about him, not them.

  • $27019454

    Fuck and Yeah.

  • Vi

    I hope zombie!Cat is the one that finally offs Littlefinger.

  • I think it's more than he used to love her, in the real sense of the word. But that got really badly corrupted into this simple desire for something, and everything he's done it's been to make up for not having that one thing, so that people will think he's really important and not so butt hurt over something that happened twenty years ago. Even though he is. So he says he loves her to make himself feel better about it, I guess. If that makes any sense.

  • foolsage

    Well said.

  • MrsAtaxxia

    I don't think Littlefinger is evil either. But he is dangerous. Varys is first and foremost concerned with protecting the Realm. More than anyone else. He doesn't have a house to put forward or a son and heir or a daughter to marry of. All Varys wants is to protect the Realm. So Baelish is dangerous because his ambition is so great that he is more than willing to sacrifice the health and wealth of the Realm if it means personal gain. But is he evil like the Bastard of Bolton? Oh lord no. But he is way more dangerous because the Bastard works in a far more finite scale. Where as Littlefinger would be "King of the Ashes" as Varys put is. And the transference of his feelings for Cat onto Sansa are creepy.

  • lowercase_ryan

    Agreed, although I'm not convinced Varys' motives are that altruistic.

  • $27019454

    Oh I agree with you here. His motive is The Realm, which in itself is admirable. But his methods of defense are the type that are willing to make "small" sacrifices to achieve "big picture." Reminds me of more than a few presidents, world leaders, etc.

  • foolsage

    Whether Littlefinger ever had Sansa's back is really debatable. Everything he's ever done for her also profited him. I'm unaware of any act of LF's towards anyone at all (much less Sansa specifically) that could be called altruistic. He's in this for himself and uses people freely.

  • lowercase_ryan

    His love for Cat seemed true enough.

  • HA.

  • foolsage

    Based on what; LF told us so? :)

    A cynical reader like me reads those scenes as LF *wanting* Cat. Love? I don't think he understands what love is, on any meaningful level.

  • Three_nineteen

    RIght before he killed Lysa, LF said that he's only ever loved one woman. Lysa thinks it's her, but LF says it's Cat. In fact, I think Cat not loving him back and then LF losing the fight for her to Brandon Stark is what drives him to become rich and influential.

  • manting

    he might have said this to hurt her - like in godfather 2 when the hit men kill pantangeli and tell him micheal Corleone says hello (the hit was not from micheal the hit men where simply trying to make his death that much more miserable)
    Remember LF thinks he fucked Cat but it was really Lysa in his bed. He even calls her Cat and she allows this.

  • foolsage

    Certainly, his inability to be taken seriously as a suitor for Cat is part of what drove him to seek power later. I'm just quibbling about whether he truly loved Cat, or whether he loved her as well as he was able (not realizing that he has little actual capacity for love and might not even understand what other people mean by the term).

    The crux of the matter is that LF tells various people repeatedly and in different ways that he loved Cat. LF is a thoroughly manipulative liar though, as well as being (arguably) emotionally damaged.

  • Monica

    He's the "Nice Guy" (tm) of Westeros.

  • lowercase_ryan

    By all accounts he really loved Cat. Literally everything I've read.

  • foolsage

    Sure, but all of those accounts come from him. Is he a reliable source of information?

    Clearly he had strong feelings for Cat, as his scar bears witness. It's possible that he loved her. He says he loved her. Still... I dunno.

  • JoannaRobinson

    Got Lysa to poison Jon Arryn?

  • lowercase_ryan

    are you asking me or telling? :)

  • JoannaRobinson

    Ain't that evil-ish?

  • lowercase_ryan

    It's totes evil. Tbh, I completely forgot about his role in all that. I was thinking of his treatment of Sansa and getting her the fuck outa dodge.

  • foolsage

    Littlefinger's pretty freaking evil, IMO. He has a real predilection for murdering people and framing others for the murder.

    * He convinced Lysa to poison Jon Arryn, then framed Cersei for it.

    * He convinced Catelyn that Tyrion was behind Bran's attempted assassination, thus more or less starting the War of Five Kings.

    * He betrayed Ned Stark, leading to the latter's death.

    * He gave Ser Dontos the poisoned headdress that Sansa wore, leading to Joffrey's death.

    * He framed Tyrion for Joffrey's death, by arranging for the dwarfs to be at the wedding, leading to an altercation between Joffrey and Tyrion.

    * He pushed Lysa out the Moon Door and framed her bard Marillion for the murder.

  • lowercase_ryan

    Fine, he's evil. Although I was fine with him pushing Lysa out the Moon Door.

  • foolsage

    Lysa was pretty damned twisted and unlikable. If she was the only person he murdered or caused to have murdered, I'd likely give him a pass there. :D

  • lowercase_ryan

    DUDE!!

  • I've been rewatching the show from the start, and unless you're a particularly eagle-eyed (non-reader) viewer, you'll completely miss the one tiny mention that Ramsay Bolton makes of his bastard. He's the only one who's after Theon, that anyone knows of, but no one really remembers. But I like it. And I dunno, my husband's a non-reader and he loves the plot, mostly because of how fucked up it is.

    The one plot he does hate? Bran and his Endless Trek to Fucking Nowhere. I told him we all feel that way.

  • E-Money

    I like it too. I like that we're watching Ramsey become the sociopath he is. In the books he's ready made. He's already crazy and we don't get to see what drove him to be the way he is. I like that the show is letting us watch him become the sadist sociopath devil man. Also I like just enough deviation to keep me on my toes. Much like "True Life" I think I know, but I have no idea.

  • John G.

    Bran's plot is one of my favorites from the book, so we don't all feel that way.

  • Roose. Ramsay is the bastard.

  • Nitpicker.

  • WHY WON'T YOU LET ME LOVE YOU

  • SnowMan

    Man, that scene with Sansa and Margaery broke my heart. Sophie Turner is doing a great job this season, walking that fine line between resignation and hope and caution in her scenes with the Tyrells (not to mention an underlying hint of developing a strength of spirit that shows she's as much a Stark as any of the other kids). The expression on her face when Margaery suggested she marry Loras brought tears to my eyes.
    Having the foreknowledge of what is to come in all the main storylines is giving this season a bittersweet touch that I am thoroughly enjoying.

  • $27019454

    I for one am DYING to see how Dinklage emotes as Tyrion when he is betrothed to Sansa. Watching back over the first two seasons, he really does drop his mask a few times, hinting at the pity and near-admiration he feels for Sansa's plight. Tyrion is one of the most complex and compelling characters in all of fiction (bold statement! And on only one cup of coffee! I should amend thus -- In my opinion, and In all the fiction I HAVE READ) and the next few episodes promise to be Tyrion-rich wondrousness.

  • MrsAtaxxia

    Varys and Olenna are my new favorite couple. I loved, loved, loved that scene of them in the garden. Wonderful addition from the books.

  • foolsage

    Varys + Olenna is as enjoyable to watch as Tywin + Arya was last season. I love love love witty characters sparring with each other.

  • Megan

    Joanna - I hope you get Dave on A Cast of Kings to use the word reek every time you guys talk about Theon's storyline, because it makes me giggle.

  • I was losing it during that last exchange, it was brilliant...

  • JoannaRobinson

    Aw, he caught on after people sent us messages. I'll have to find some other subliminal word to use.

  • christopherdlc

    No idea how you didn't laugh when asking. I actually giggled out loud.

  • pfeiffer87

    I was really excited with all the wedding talk in King's Landing - thought Joff & Marge might be making it to the altar soon. But then I remembered that the Red Wedding happens first and that Tyrion & Sansa have to be married. So I guess we'll have to wait awhile for any 'good' weddings. Dissappointed.

  • Sherry

    Trying to remember the timeframe of Sansa's wedding in terms of the RW. Refresher anyone?

  • Gotta think that they'll have the first two weddings this season - we know RW happens in Ep 9, but Joffrey & Margaery will be next season, just to keep Tywin around as long as possible. The big royal wedding will be one of the teasers for season four.

  • foolsage

    Sansa's wedding will happen fairly soon. In the books, Sansa was going to marry Willas Tyrell (in the TV show it's Ser Loras). She told Ser Dontos about this, and Dontos told Littlefinger, who told Tywin during a Small Council meeting. Tywin more or less immediately married Sansa to Tyrion, though it's doubtful that Littlefinger foresaw this.

    The Red Wedding comes later that year (299AL). It's tough to say how much time passed between the weddings.

  • Laura

    I think Sansa's wedding is after the Red Wedding, it seems like she knew about Robb and Cat's fates by then. But I think they announce her "engagement" to Tyrion before the Red Wedding because I think I remember someone (Robb?) telling Cat that they were going to marry Sansa to Tyrion. But it is all a jumble. I decided not to re-read before the season for some reason, and now I can't remember shite.

  • KV

    Sansa's wedding happens before Red Wedding.

  • manting

    Yes it does. Though they are married for less than a month before the red wedding, Jeoffrey's wedding is less than a month after Sansa's.

  • Laura

    And there you go. Can't remember shite.

  • BendinIntheWind

    Wait what the fuck... Melisandre was in that scene and I totally missed her!?!?

  • Ginger

    No that's from a future episode.

  • Sherry

    And it would make sense given the Gendry-instead-of-the-Storm-kid theory. Question is, does she burn him or, uh, give him a good time?

  • I bet on Good Times. If anything because there haven't been enough naked chicks lately.

    Though the idea of Gendry shirtless again made me go all "WHEE!" for a second there, so I'm pretty terrible myself.

    ALSO, we have to leave Gendry alive so she and Arya can have an awesome love affair in books...7? 18? It has to happen, dammit.

  • BendinIntheWind

    Oh thank god... I've watched the episode twice and couldn't believe I missed something so crazy

  • mswas

    Burn Gorman got a few good lines in as Karl vs. Craster. What will become of him though? He was so great in Torchwood, I would hate to see just that little of him.

  • Gaius

    I'm thinking Karl, Rast, and the other fallen brothers might get some sort of epilogue treatment, either from the White Walkers or Mance and the Wildlings, as a tease for the next season.

    Either way, they'll get what's coming to them!

  • KarlRuben

    You're doing these for GoT too? I became a big fan with this season's Justified top tens, so glad to see you doing this.

    The observation about Clarke's Valyrian is spot on. Every time she shouted "Unsullied"... jaysis. Having it be a fake language enhances the phonetic thrill in some weird way.

    I've been reading all the good critics I normally read on this show; VanDerWerff, Sepinwall, Collins, etc, and none of them has mentioned Djawadi's brilliant work on this episode. Like one of the commenters over on the spoiler-free recap here said, the music continuing over into the credits was one of the best things about an episode full of them. That digital effect thing he does when launching into the main theme has a sort of vertiginous lurch to it. Brilliant stuff.

  • The_Ghost_of_Bo_Crowder

    Olenna's dip into Sean Bean's accent whilst delivering the line "Winter is Coming" brought her perilously close to displacing Varys as my favourite denizen of Kings Landing, and there's some tough competition for that job.

  • Laura

    I had to go back and confirm that Varys didn't actually have the sorcerer shipped to him in the book, but I thought that was a interesting addition, particularly for making people realize that Littlefinger isn't the only dangerous yet unassuming one around.

    The Brienne and Jaime scenes are absolutely wonderful. I am anxious to see how they handle the next bit with them.

    The Astapor scene was pretty much exactly how I imagined it, which makes me equally dread and salivate over the upcoming Red Wedding. Granted, a lot of the salivating is due to the fact that I watch with a non-book reader who always thinks he knows what's going on and then is horribly wrong pretty much every time - I can't wait to see his reaction to it!

    Somehow I managed to forget that Mormont was killed at Crastor's, so when that happened, I actually gasped out loud, thought that scene was very well done also.

    They are doing a great job this season!

  • Sherry

    I have the same feeling about the Red Wedding and for the same reasons. I'm going to have to figure out how to rig up a video camera to capture hubby's expression for all of eternity because he will NOT be expecting it if they set it up right. Like your non-book-reader, he always makes wild predictions (that would be admittedly normal in a non-Martin universe) that are totally wrong. He was so happy to be right about the Dany scene in this episode. I haven't broken it to him that our 7 year old could have seen that coming.

  • $27019454

    My books are loaned out and I think blocked this part out (blame me?): Please clarify what this episode was implying -- that the sorcerer was his captive much like Sloth Victim in Se7ven? And had been his victim/box pet for a while now? I can't recall nor do I recall what the book implied as well.

  • Laura

    I just skimmed to make sure, but in the book, I don't think that Varys knows what happened to the sorcerer. Varys got away from him after he was cut, and that was that. Although I will say that there are so many minor details in the books I could be completely wrong, and often am when I go to look something up.

    In the episode, I thought that he (Varys) made it seem like he had just "received" the sorcerer (though God knows how long it took to ship him there), and was just uncrating him, and that the sorcerer is his captive. I would venture to guess that the sorcerer is Soon-To-Be-Living-The-Rest-of-His-Short-Ass-Life-In-Agonizing-Pain (thanks Marsellus Wallace). Of course, Varys could have had him for a while and just made a show of uncrating him to add drama to his conversation with Tyrion.

  • Sherry

    One has to wonder what kind of catalog the sorcerer came from. "Revenge R Us?" How does one order those? And how much do you think the shipping on those suckers costs?

  • foolsage

    Magister Illyrio's House of Fine Goods and Assorted Pleasures will provide all that you seek.

    At least, that seems a likely source for the sorcerer-in-a-box. Illyrio and Varys are buddies, plotting the return of the Targaryens. Varys' sorcerer comes from Myr, which is one of the Free Cities; Illyrio lives in Pentos, another of the Free Cities.

  • koko temur

    plus, tyrion was shipped there too, so he obviously has the shipping routes and fees all figured out!

  • manting

    it is clear on the show he just received the Sorcerer. He is uncrating the box for the 1st time - hence all the crowbar work. If he had the sorcerer for sometime then it would be a lock and not 20 nails.

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