Pajiba

Hey, did everyone see that David Ogden Stiers came out recently? He says that he was worried earlier in his career that it would impact his voice work for Disney.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30607382/

Optimus Our local free weekly (the only kind of paper that exists anymore) just did a long article on how a lot of male illegal immigrants from Mexico come here and live 12 or so to a tiny efficiency apartment and their lives are lonely (they send money back home) and sometimes, just maybe after too much to drink, sometimes they might accidentally run into each other with their penises. In the dark, after everyone's asleep or pretending to be asleep. And how there's a whole system by which if you are one of those guys and you are a bottom, you are shit, nothing. If you're a top, then you just tell yourself that it's because you miss your wife and really: bunghole, vagina, whatever, and you totally AREN'T a gay Mexican, you're just lonely and all.

Anyway.

Um, this movie looks great! Does that guy on the right look like Matthew Perry with uncontrolled hair and a bit of a beard? He's got the same really weak jawline.

The premise isn't that unreal to me. Aren't there a lot of men who think they are "incredibly straight" but are really gay along but were lieing to themselves? Because two men who decide to make a gay movie togeather are gay. Very, very, gay. Which is fine for them I suppose, I would just hope at that point they stop lieing to themselves.

Can't guys just do that thing that girls do where you get drunk, give some homosexual behavior a try in bars or at parties during college where it "doesn't count" and decide your preferences accordingly? If you have to come up with some weird triple dog dare scenario that involves video taping you fucking your best dude friend, wouldn't it just be easier to go the Craigslist "casual encounters" route?

Men are so repressed.

Yeah, well that's because when women (and by that I mean trashy, with big tits) do it, it's hot.

Two dudes, not so much, Cynthia.

Seriously, we need to lose the term "mumblecore". It makes me think of... I dunno... Hatebreed with a speech impediment or something.

That was very well put slower lower, I don't think anyone has ever put it better.

It seems that we've finally gone off on a lesbian tangent, though, it's the best kind of tangent.

They are LGBT? go to the---seekbi.com---for LGBT

I think my roommates gay.

His cock tastes like shit.

What I hate is when people deny bisexuality even exists. Yes, it very much does. Or when they think it means you're attracted to EVERYONE. You wish.
Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at May 6, 2009 9:10 PM

Thank you, Snuggie.
My wife is bi and before any guy starts thinking "OOOH, three-way", I can assure you that it's something that happens when I'm not around (except for the one time...damn, that was fun). It's something she does, it's part of who she is and I love her no less.
One of my best friends asked if I would ever sleep with him. I said "No!"
His reply? "I know you too well. A six pack would change everything".
He may have been right but was too much a gentleman to test his theory on me.
The point is that we all have thoughts and feelings and circumstances that could lead to almost anything. Relax and don't worry about it.

(P.S. - Did I mention that you should ALL carry a three pack of Trojans at all times?
Oh, what am I saying? You're Pajibans!
Carry a six pack.

Sharon..... I...(shoulders shaking, heavy sob/sigh)... LOVE you.

Jeremy, I've been hearing a lot about 'gay for pay', lately and it seems fairly common. Is is as prevalent as certain websites make it out to be?

Either way, I'm in.
"I'm ready for my glazing, Mr. DeMille".

Hell, I still think about those nights with Barbado Slim and Rowles Royce, photoshopping pics of admin's head onto Ryan Reynolds body.

(Oops! Did I type that out loud?)

Posted by: Spender at May 6, 2009 11:29 PM

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Since you HAD to bring it up, lemme just clear it up for everybody. YOU guys were bottoms the whole time so I was the dude through out, YOU guys were the chicks.

When you take the actual sexual attraction out of it for a moment,
from a purely aesthetic perspective isn't it more pleasing
to the eye to see two women versus two men?

On the one side you've got two curvy, smooth, soft gentle creatures touching, licking, kissing, gently caressing...

(Um, excuse me for a second)
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(Ok, I'm back)

...And then on the other side are two hairy, bumpy, sweaty animals with some freakish-looking alien-type creature dangling between their legs, grabbing at each other and slamming into each other like drunk sumo wrestlers.

I thought Mumblecore meant the movie had bad sound quality.

Being gay is so much more than just who you have sex with. As cliche as it sounds, it's all about who you fall in love with......So, I've never seen the hang up on labels when the situation is presented in the reverse.

That actually reminds me of something a friend of mine said. He posited that, unlike what our cultural stereotypes state, it is men who have problem separating emotions from sex, while women can disconnect their feelings much easier.

Think about it: a (typical) woman could crack open a hundred clams and still consider herself strictly a sausage merchant. But a (typical) man can't even look at a billabong without feeling uncomfortable. Men are expected to have sex to validate themselves, while women can take it or leave it.

It explains most of the plots in romantic comedies, chick flicks, and bawdy teenage "gotta get laid" romps. It explains why meatheads think they can "fix" a lesbian by sleeping with her.

This extends to the sexual professions (porn and prostitution) as well. Excluding those forced of course, women can dip and dabble into whatever they please, and no one thinks less of them for it. While the men, well, not so much. Hell, whenever you hear about a porn star getting married, what is the first thing they agree on? That the woman can't have sex with men, but can munch as much muffin as she wants. Makes sense now, doesn't it?

As cliche as it sounds, it's all about who you fall in love with.

Exactly. As great as sex is (And it is totally great), finding someone to eat bad chinese take-out with you while watching DVDs is just so much better.

And Spender, to answer your question, it is pretty prevalent. Bruce has told me that there are quite a few guys who've done scenes for VB who identify as straight, and there are plenty more in the industry. But I also know that there are some studios who will refuse to sign guys who are gay-for-pay.

Also, and not to bring up any particular movie reviews that I recently caught up on *ahem*, how is it somehow comedy fodder to inebriate and take advantage of a guy (regardless of gender), but doing it to a female is basis for a crime?

Both are a crime irl, and both are comedy fodder in films, ESPECIALLY if you're doing it to a female. Have you even seen Superbad? Girl who won't sleep with me + beer = girl I can coerce into sleeping with me (hi, my name is rape!)

Deliverance, Animal Factory, Pulp Fiction.

"How many guys do you know who even realize that it's a criminal act to get a girl liquored up to sleep with her?"

Whoa, hold up. While it's not my bag, that's NOT a crime. It's a crime if she doesn't/can't provide consent. Let's not get carried away here.

I guess my question is... if both people were drinking (AND say yes), how do you establish who was raped? What if the person who instigated the intercourse is the one who, the morning after, decides it was rape? I suppose my point was ill-made and for that I apologize, but it's important to note that while the laws may be written that way, it's a far more complicated issue.

While it may not be the popular thing to say, there's a difference between taking advantage of someone who is incoherently drunk and clearly incapable of making a rational decision, and two people who have a bunch of drinks and then mutually decide to have sex. To point-blank call the latter rape wholesale is simply foolish.

And yes, the converse of my argument is true - because of those same complications, actual rapes will often go unprosecuted because of this problem. Like I said - it's complicated.

Ah. Therein lies my mistake - I mistook the discussion for an overall statement on alcohol and intercourse - my bad for not reading through thoroughly. But then, if you re-read your original post, it didn't seem directed at movies in particular, but as a general statement.

Of course, I'm older and travel in relatively enlightened circles, so the guys I know wouldn't dream of that kind of caveman mentality. Mostly because they're married to/dating women who would smother them in their sleep were they to make such a joke.

"He posited that, unlike what our cultural stereotypes state, it is men who have problem separating emotions from sex, while women can disconnect their feelings much easier."

What an interesting argument. In my experience, men do tend to be more disappointed when reality doesn't match to their fantasies, i.e. when a boyfriend of mine who I loved dearly simply couldn't get over the fact that I'd slept with more people than he had. Everything else was fine, but he couldn't deal with it and it crept into our physical relationship, for sure. I was able to move on very quickly from the fact that he was relatively inexperienced, but he couldn't do the same.

As to dude-on-dude, I remember in college meeting a guy at a party who I really liked. This was in the early 90s, so the bi/gay stuff wasn't quite as trendy (meaning trotted out for male pleasure) as it is today. Anyway, he confided to me that he had a sexual relationship with a male friend in high school because they both didn't want to commit to being straight without knowing for sure. While the premise of this is somewhat questionable (i.e. gay sex = gay, lack of gay sex = "incredibly straight"), I had such respect for the fact that he told me and that he had had such a conversation with another guy.

What an interesting argument. In my experience, men do tend to be more disappointed when reality doesn't match to their fantasies, i.e. when a boyfriend of mine who I loved dearly simply couldn't get over the fact that I'd slept with more people than he had. Everything else was fine, but he couldn't deal with it and it crept into our physical relationship, for sure. I was able to move on very quickly from the fact that he was relatively inexperienced, but he couldn't do the same.

Exactly. A similar case, this time in movies: the infamous "37 Dicks" subplot of Clerks. Dante nearly lost it when he found out, while his girlfriend didn't think it was a big deal.

Although, personally, I consider oral sex a lot more personal than vaginal. I mean, that isn't really supposed to go there, and considering that you will later use said mouth to talk/breathe/sneeze/cough/expectorate near other people in various environs, you better be damn sure you care about whose tallywacker you are going to bathe them in. I don't want to get a whiff of your "Doug the guy from Club Douche"-flavored mouthwash, okay?

I wonder if so many men would find woman on woman sexual activity hot if it weren't so performative. If the women didn't look like porn stars, or if they weren't clearly playing to a male fantasy of control over women's sexuality, I'll bet it wouldn't be nearly as attractive to those same men.