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How Your Opinion on Kevin Smith's Red State Does Not Make You a Good or a Bad Person

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Trailers | Comments (31)



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The facts are these: Kevin Smith made a lot of films that meant a lot to a lot of people. That may include some of you. It may not. To each his own.

Then Kevin Smith made a studio movie. It was called Cop Out. There are some who actually liked Cop Out. I disagree with them. However, that doesn’t make them bad people. It just means they have an opinion that differs from mine.

Are you following me so far? Good. I’m going to use small words.

Then Kevin Smith made a movie called Red State. In my opinion, I thought it was a very good movie. I enjoyed it. I thought it was very different from the kind of film one might associate with Kevin Smith. In fact, I am of the opinion that many who do not care for the types of films that Kevin Smith has made in the past might still enjoy Red State, particularly if they are fans of horror-type movies with an interesting religious subtext. Likewise, people who enjoyed films like Clerks and Dogma might not care for Red State as much because it differs in tone and sensibility.

Some critics disagree. They do not feel that Red State is a good movie. Many of those critics who disagree are under the belief that the people who did like Red State are Kevin Smith suck-ups. Some even suggest that people who like Kevin Smith are bad people. One even suggested that Kevin Smith fans are the “dregs of humanity.” In my opinion, the person that said this is a really awful human being. Many people might disagree with me, however, and think that this person is sage.

Meanwhile, some of those people who liked Red State feel that those who don’t like Red State are being obtuse or are disliking it out of principle. Because, maybe Kevin Smith said something that upset them or with which they disagree. Or, it’s very possible that the critics who did not like Red State genuinely did not like it. It was not their jam.

Maybe, when it comes to Kevin Smith, you are more inclined to respect the opinions of some of those critics who did not care for Red State. Or maybe, you are more inclined to respect the opinion of some of those who did enjoy Red State. It’s also very possible that, when it comes to Kevin Smith (or any other filmmaker for that matter), you don’t respect anyone’s opinion. Perhaps you feel that you do not need someone else to recommend that you see or not see a certain film. Maybe you would like to make up your mind yourself, or maybe you are indifferent.

These are all valid choices.

It’s also quite possible that, by watching a trailer, you could make up your mind about whether to see a film irrespective of what someone else’s opinion might be. Maybe you will find this trailer for Red State appealing and seek it out when the movie comes to a theater near you, shows up on VOD, or is available to purchase as DVD or download. Or maybe, you will think that it “blows” and you will choose not to watch the movie.

Whatever your opinion, it doesn’t make you a bad person. There may be many other things about you that, combined, make you a bad person, but your opinion on Red State or Kevin Smith alone doesn’t qualify to make you a good or a bad person.

Am I writing too fast?

Here’s the trailer. It is a Red Band trailer. That means that, depending on the type of work, home, or school environment you are in, it may not be suitable to watch right now.









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Comments

Holy shit, did he get Betty Aberlin again?

Posted by: Jay at July 28, 2011 11:37 AM

That last line was a great last line.

It may look different than a Kevin Smith movie but the dialogue still sounds like his.

Posted by: twig at July 28, 2011 11:42 AM

I'll give Red State a chance because it intrigues me like a Kevin Smith movie hasn't intrigued me in a long, long while.

Anyone have a problem with that?

Posted by: Fredo at July 28, 2011 11:45 AM

Perhaps you feel that you do not need someone else to recommend that you see or not see a certain film. Maybe you would like to make up your mind yourself, or maybe you are indifferent.

If this describes your attitude toward film watching, perhaps you should not be browsing a movie review site.

Posted by: pissant at July 28, 2011 11:46 AM

Couple important questions that I demand answers to bitches:

1) How often does Mewes suddenly jump on screen screech, "SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' and then run off screen?

How many direct references are there in the movie of Smith going on and on about how great it is to eat his wife's stinking greasy hairy oily butthole and then fuck her in said butthole?

Posted by: Mr. Pancake at July 28, 2011 11:49 AM

I'm fairly certain, but I just learned this yesterday so I could be mistaken, that the technical term for people who like Kevin Smith/his movies is "tard loser." If I'm wrong, hopefully somebody can correct me -- preferably with pancakes.

Posted by: RobP at July 28, 2011 11:50 AM

The English teacher in me can't let this go "Meanwhile, some of those people who liked Red State feel that those who don’t like Red State are being obtuse or are disliking it out of principal." You mean princiPLE.

As for Red State: it looks like an interesting film and I'm hoping my disenchantment with Kevin Smith as a person doesn't color my opinion about his movie.

Also, Jay Mohr is co-hosting Smith's talk show or so he said on Twitter. Mohr said it.

Posted by: Az at July 28, 2011 11:51 AM

Why so haughty, DR?

Posted by: Trey Shacksit at July 28, 2011 12:16 PM

Posted by: AmbroseKalifornia at July 28, 2011 12:25 PM

I'm going to start a Paypal donation page to buy some Clever Lessons for Mr. Pancake. It is my understanding that the introductory Not a Pig, Not a Prig: Website Commentary and You evaluation is free.

I'll try to have the link up later today.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at July 28, 2011 12:41 PM

I like this trailer. I also more or less like Kevin Smith's movies. I've seen him in person, and he seems like a personable fellow, who tells a good story and knows his target demographic. I urge him to lighten up on the pot, because I think it's not doing him any favors, and holy shit is he getting chunky, but all in all I'm happy he succeeded after taking an enormous personal and financial risk financing his own film. And hey, Mr. Pancake? Your obsession with buttholes? There are a few soothing cremes and a specific shampoo bottle you could try.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at July 28, 2011 1:03 PM

I don't know if I'm a good or bad person. I think Dustin Rowles is a pretty good person. I also think Kevin Smith is a pretty good person. I can't pass judgment on the goodness or badness of this Mr. Pancake person, but I can say that he is not nearly as amusing as he thinks he is.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at July 28, 2011 1:29 PM

This looks amazing. Also, Catholic school flashback!

Posted by: Sofia at July 28, 2011 2:26 PM

Dustin,

Best article of all time. Thank you for making my day.

Love,
Matthew

P.S. Mr. Pancake seems to want our attention. Somebody get the squirt-bottle.

Posted by: superasente at July 28, 2011 3:07 PM

I have enjoyed all of two Kevin Smith films in my life: Mallrats and Zach and Miri Make a Porno. The rest do nothing for me.

I have enjoyed many religious horror films. If the film is used as a commentary on the corruption within organized religion or an over the top farce of bizarre rumors about a faith (I'm looking at you, Nunsploitation/Sisters of Satan films), I'm in for the ride. This looks like the former. It looks like a slightly less campy version of Pro-Life with a much better cast. I'm excited for it.

Posted by: Robert at July 28, 2011 3:44 PM

Do I want to know what the hell happened?

No. I do not.

Posted by: Three-nineteen at July 28, 2011 3:46 PM

One even suggested that Kevin Smith fans are the “dregs of humanity.” In my opinion, the person that said this is a really awful human being.

While I agree with the overall idea of this post...coming from the EIC of Pajiba it makes me think someone is lacking in self-awareness. I mean, isn't it the point of Pajiba to hyperbolically insult the idiot viewers of many a Pajiba-determined terrible movie? Is this any different?

What would happen if we substitute "Tyler Perry" or "Uwe Boll" for "Kevin Smith" (and one of their movies for "Red State") throughout this article?

Posted by: Sara Tonin at July 28, 2011 4:22 PM

The universe would explode.

Posted by: superasente at July 28, 2011 4:26 PM

Looks good to me (I have a strange thing for Kevin Pollak) but I have never been a big Kevin Smith fan either, tho I did like Dogma.

Posted by: George at July 28, 2011 5:04 PM

I love John Goodman. That is all.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at July 28, 2011 6:33 PM

"I mean, isn't it the point of Pajiba to hyperbolically insult the idiot viewers of many a Pajiba-determined terrible movie? Is this any different?"

Uh, no? The point of Pajiba has always been to be blunt and honest, not bitchy for bitchiness's sake. Criticism is leveled at the production, not at the fandom.

Except for Dane Cook fans. Fuck those guys.

Posted by: Craig at July 28, 2011 7:28 PM

Looks better than I thought it would. And I love Kevin Smith and I don't care who knows it.

Posted by: junierizzle at July 28, 2011 8:18 PM

Comment: "Perhaps you feel that you do not need someone else to recommend that you see or not see a certain film. Maybe you would like to make up your mind yourself, or maybe you are indifferent."

Response: "If this describes your attitude toward film watching, perhaps you should not be browsing a movie review site."

Well, no. For example, I go to film review sites for information about films, not to find out whether that reviewer likes it. Roger Ebert may dislike a film, but will mention some things about it that I think I would find appealing or interesting. If someone whose taste is similar to mine says a certain film is great, I'll make a note of that and try to see it.

If I know I want to see a film I'll avoid reviews (and trailers) in order to avoid too many spoilers. Afterwards, though, I'll go to various sites - not to find out if I liked it or not but to read intelligent discussion about what I just watched.

Posted by: Pat C. at July 28, 2011 8:56 PM

The point of Pajiba TK is to hyperbolically insult the idiot viewers of many a Pajiba-determined terrible movie.

That's better.

Posted by: Uriah Creep at July 28, 2011 10:22 PM

I have always enjoyed Kevin Smiths Movies!

Posted by: Grants at July 28, 2011 10:40 PM

Who knew Kevin Smith would make the Tea Party's new recruitment film?

Posted by: silly democrat at July 28, 2011 11:33 PM

One of the (myriad) things I love about Pajiba is that I get to enjoy thought-provoking and/or downright hilariously snarky posts, and if I disagree with the tone or content I'll then find a few commenters admitting to "guilty pleasures" I share.
There's something here for everyone with a brain and a modicum of wit, no matter how much our tastes diverge.

Posted by: cinekat at July 29, 2011 5:17 AM

Fuck yourself in the brain, Uriah Creep.

Posted by: TK at July 29, 2011 9:28 AM

We own Dogma & Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back & I enjoyed Zack & Miri, so I feel like a Kevin Smith fan. At first I was going to say that I'm not a prude, but then, figuring if I have to say it, then....well...anyway. After watching his "stand up" on Netflix, I gotta say that Mr. Pancake has a totally valid point. Yeah - great. The big guy gets some action with his wife, who he thinks is hot and completely adores. OK. Do we really need the TMI - over and over and over and over and [insert infinity here]?

As for the standup, it definitely has funny parts - like his new found love of pot is a pretty hilarious story - but I couldn't really make it through to the end. His frequent tangents - Lawd & he just talks. about himself. so. damn. much.

Posted by: IneptFake at July 29, 2011 12:55 PM

TK: I'm not sure that's physiologically possible. Maybe if I got help...

Anyway, like you, I kid because I love; you do love your readers, right?

Posted by: Uriah Creep at July 29, 2011 10:49 PM

Wow, bashing people who bash people who like certain types of popular culture? Hypocrisy thy name is Pajiba.

Posted by: Me at July 30, 2011 5:19 PM