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A Simple Test To Determine if Someone is an "Actor" or a "Movie Star"

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Trailers | Comments (37)



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You guys know I love Ryan Reynolds. I loved him more before Green Lantern, of course, but still … I think Ryan Reynolds is excellent at what he should do: Middle-of-the-road romantic-comedies (like Definitely, Maybe) or comic sidekicks (Wolverine, Blade: Trinity). But those who argue that Ryan Reynolds is not a movie star are absolutely right, and there is no better test to make that determination than to put an actor in the room with a real movie star, like Denzel Washington. If you put an a guy next to Washington, and that actor has the pale look of a second-billed actor or a sidekick, well, you know he’s not a “Movie Star.”

Look at the evidence: Chris Pine in Unstoppable . He had it. That guy is gonna be around for a long time. John Travolta in Taking of Pelham 1 … 2 … 3, well, obviously, and whatever you want to say about Travolta and his movie choices, he is a movie star. He looked perfectly natural next to Washington. Ethan Hawke in Training Day? He was in that movie as much as Washington, but he was nominated for an Oscar as best supporting actor. Why? Because Ethan Hawke is a well known, sometimes good actor, but he’s not a “movie star.” That was easy to see the second he sat next to Washington in a squad car.

What about Ryan Reynolds in Safe House? Not even close. Does it look like a great movie? Yes, and maybe one that will resurrect Reynolds’ fading star. But will it make him a “movie star”? Come on, y’all: Movies don’t make actors “movie stars.” Presence makes an actor a movie star, and Double-R — who has the greatest abs this side of Henry Cavill — does not a movie star make.

That doesn’t mean that Safe House is not a movie I won’t knock someone down a flight of stairs to see, but I’m going to see it for Denzell Washington first, and Ryan Reynolds is the gravy on the cake.









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Comments

the gravy on the cake

Yuck. Gravy on cake??!

Posted by: MM at November 3, 2011 7:21 PM

Good gravy though.

Posted by: FyreHaar at November 3, 2011 7:21 PM

Mmm...cake gravy.

Posted by: TheBoy at November 3, 2011 7:23 PM

Damnit MM you beat me to it!

What nutjob puts gravy on cake?

Posted by: logan at November 3, 2011 7:25 PM

This makes me yearn for a Denzel, Leo team up.

It looks good though. I'd like it better if I didn't see Blake Lively's taint everytime I look at him but that's not the subject of discussion here. Leo got rid of her, take the hint Ryan.

Posted by: Candy at November 3, 2011 7:30 PM

You eat cake with gravy, too?!?

Posted by: Me at November 3, 2011 7:53 PM

I like the idea of knocking someone down a flight of stairs to see this. I could see myself doing that. Excuse me, I've been feeling a tad bloodthirsty lately. Nothing like a clueless H.O.D to ruin your week. The trailer fixed that.

Posted by: Four Eyes at November 3, 2011 8:19 PM

Finally Denzel in another morally ambiguous role. Training Day was the only movie where he really jumped out at you.

Posted by: HappyGobo at November 3, 2011 8:34 PM

Vera and Robert Patrick and Brenden Gleeson? Yes. No to Denzel playing Jay Pharoah playing Denzel. TiCk, ToCk.

Posted by: dsoup at November 3, 2011 8:35 PM

"What nutjob puts gravy on cake?"

You got something against cake? Something against gravy? Huh, Commie?

GIT 'IM!

Posted by: Ghisent at November 3, 2011 8:35 PM

Just popping in to tell Dustin to tell TK that I am really sorry about his situation, which I fervently hope has improved, and that I look forward to his getting online again and amusing me like he should. I was surprised how disappointed I was when there was no Walking Dead recap--even though, God knows, he has a good excuse.

Oh, and: Mmmmmmnnnnhgh that header photo...

Posted by: Jerce at November 3, 2011 8:58 PM

In this country our cake and our gravy dont mix! Gravy goes on the taters and cake goes on a plate with ice cream. The way God intended it!

Posted by: logan at November 3, 2011 9:19 PM

Denzel Washington is the Denzel Washington of movie stars/actors/wtf-ever. He's RADICALLY overrated and gets mad mad mad props just for turning in basic, safe, solid undistinguished and indistinguishable performances (MAYBE Training Day aside). He is boring boring boring. Amost as boring as Ethan Hawke. His tics and affectations are the same in every damned thing. He puts me off movies. Suh. Nore.

That said, Ryan Reynolds took on crazy-Britney-fied Ana Faris in Just Friends. That counts for SO much.

Posted by: klingonfree at November 3, 2011 10:08 PM

the music in that trailer is absolutely riveting. It's what got me super excited and sold on the movie.

The font looks a bit stupid though.

Posted by: susie derkins at November 3, 2011 10:28 PM

"In this country our cake and our gravy dont mix! Gravy goes on the taters and cake goes on a plate with ice cream. The way God intended it!"

Are you some kinda food-ist?? Are you saying that we can can't have inter-course relationships between main course condiments and desserts?? You have to invoke some vague scriptural reference to bolster your cuisine-phobias. Yes, the way Gawd intended ..... Well, Gawd doesn't live in 21st century North American society. He has a fluffy white beard and lives on a cloud .... what the hell does he know about gravy and cake??

Next, you'll be saying that cabbits don't really exist either.

NAZI!!!!

PS. Just not chicken gravy on the cake ... that shit is nasty, and should only be used to strip floor wax. Ick ........

Posted by: handy_man at November 3, 2011 10:49 PM

I think "gravy on the biscuit" would have been a more appropriate association, Mr. Rowles. And now you've given me a hankerin' for some biscuits with sausage gravy. Mmmmm. . .

Posted by: prairiegirl at November 3, 2011 10:56 PM

Dustin, don't listen to those naysayers, "Gravy on my cake" is my new catch phrase.

Posted by: OldSchool60 at November 3, 2011 11:30 PM

In a practical sense, Ryan Reynolds is more movie star than actor, in the same sense that Julia Roberts is. Roberts has a SAG card, which might suggest that she is an actress, but when was the last time she played anyone other than Julia Roberts™? I can't remember a time when I was watching a film and forgot I was watching Ryan Reynolds™. An actor is not a brand, but a Movie Star is.

Posted by: Jerry at November 4, 2011 12:27 AM

That all looked pretty damn cliche. Lemme guess what happens ...

Posted by: , at November 4, 2011 12:40 AM

Moral: if you're an actor, try to avoid Denzel Washington.

Posted by: mograph at November 4, 2011 1:47 AM

I heard Denzel is not all that nice of a person. The last movie I truly liked him in was the heist movie Spike Lee made. I'll pass on this but if he teamed up with Leo, I'm there.

Posted by: Candy at November 4, 2011 1:57 AM

I guess I must place different values on the terms "actor" and "movie star".

If I look at a person on the screen, and see nothing but the character, I think "actor" and am utterly impressed whereas if all I can see is the person playing the character, I think "movie star" (usually followed by "meh").

For example: Edward Scissorhands, Captain Jack Sparrow, The Mad Hatter, Benny (of Benny and Joon), Roux.

Contrast with: Tom Cruise Playing a Maverick Fighter Pilot, Tom Cruise Playing a Spy, Tom Cruise Playing Yet Another Spy, Tom Crui.. meh.

If not being able to see the character for the person playing the character is what makes a movie star, give me an actor. Every time.

Posted by: Chris at November 4, 2011 4:34 AM

You can put gravy on a cake when you tear the gravy from my cold dead fingers!

LINES MUST BE DRAWN!

Posted by: logan at November 4, 2011 6:53 AM

Johnny Depp lost whatever subtlety he had long back. Now he just plays Johnny Depp in Tim Burton movies

Posted by: severine at November 4, 2011 7:27 AM

This is the second time in two days I have said this to you Dustin, but remind me not to eat at your house!

Posted by: Nimue at November 4, 2011 8:22 AM

CIA operative? Consulate? hmm... doesn't ring a bell at all.

and why the hell does RR's character look like he just got out of the academy for someone who is supposed to be Bourne? I'm pretty sure you have to be damn good to even be number 37 and this guy is crying on the phone?

They should've unpussied his character instead of giving us yet another pair of top and bottom protagonists.

Posted by: haplo at November 4, 2011 8:37 AM

http://www.blackwidowbakery.com/demo/meatcake/


For your information I've made this cake for an office function. It was just as good as you'd imagine. Gravy was AWESOOOME!

Posted by: mrcreosote at November 4, 2011 9:37 AM

I concur with Dustin. I would concur with him at length, but I have to "work" today, as opposed to do something "work adjacent" or which creates "work verisimilitude".

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at November 4, 2011 10:02 AM

Wow, as usual Pajiba delivers multi-layered article goodness. So I'll weigh in on both the movie star vs. actor thing and the cake n gravy thing. (Get what I did there? Cake...multi-layered...seriously, people, this stuff is gold.)

As I've just recently taken my first acting class, I'm falling on the side of the interpretation of actor as true craftsman vs. movie star as celebrity that people want to see in movies. However, I don't think that this is contrary to what Dustin is saying here. Saying that someone is more actor than movie star, to my mind, says that they are well-suited to movies that actually care about plot, character development, and immersive storytelling. Movies that need a "star" on the other hand tend to be the vapid, splashy, cotton-candy-esque affairs that we so often love to deride around here.

Now, that might challenge the concept of Denzel as a "star", however. Is he just being Denzel in every situation? Do you remember the movie's character, or just Denzel?

How about Reynolds? Green Lantern needed a star (also a writer, director, etc., but that's out of scope of this discussion). Did it suck because Reynolds couldn't deliver that? Discuss amongst yourselves.

Now as to the cake and gravy thing...while my gut reaction (hah!) is to eschew the combination of those particular foodstuffs, I've had way too much cornbread that is as sweet as cake. Be damned if I didn't sop up my gravy with that stuff. So maybe it's a potato, pahTAHto kind of thing?

Posted by: NateS1973 at November 4, 2011 10:05 AM

I enjoy an article that explains a situation that I didn't realize needed to be explained to me. I enjoy Double-R in all his features, but yeah, I steered clear of Green Lantern, if only for the obvious horrible CGI. Double-R should take a lesson out of Mark Strong's book -- who was horribly wasted in Green Lantern, and I didn't even see it -- to play the scene-stealing second fiddle.

Posted by: duckandcover at November 4, 2011 10:26 AM

Where's his beard? Isn't RR supposed to have a beard in his serious films? You're straying from the formula Ryan!

Posted by: Paultera at November 4, 2011 10:59 AM

Hey look, they're using bottled water for the waterboarding.
So considerate.

Posted by: Scott at November 4, 2011 12:23 PM

Wait, there wad writing here? I just clicked on the blue link and passed out for a few minutes and now everything's a blur.

Posted by: figgy at November 4, 2011 12:31 PM

The debate is best summed up by Peter O'Toole's character in "My Favorite Year": When told that he is going on live TV, but it shouldn't be a problem for an actor of his experience, he blurts out "But I'm not an actor! I'm a movie star!"

Posted by: Spudboy at November 4, 2011 12:36 PM

If I look at a person on the screen, and see nothing but the character, I think "actor" and am utterly impressed whereas if all I can see is the person playing the character, I think "movie star" (usually followed by "meh").
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Exactly Chris. But may I add that there is something about that movie star that keeps you coming back. If you love yourself some Denzel, then you're ok with Denzel playing a cop, or Denzel playing a robber, or Denzel playing a train dude, and then you go to a Denzel movie.

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Posted by: wooden cupola at November 30, 2011 3:54 AM