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What Does the Full-Season Renewal of "Outsourced" Mean for "Community" and "Parks & Recreation"?

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (35)



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Our worst fears may be on their way to coming to fruition: Yesterday, in addition to picking up full-season orders of “Law & Order: Los Angeles,” and “The Event,” NBC also ordered a full-season of “Outsourced,” which has had decent ratings this season, thanks largely to its “The Office” lead-in. Now, if “Outsourced,” has a full season order — that’s 24 episodes, I believe — and there are around 38-39 weeks in a season (if you subtract the summer, and the traditional mid-December to early-January reruns), that presumably means that either “Community” or “Parks and Recreation,” if not cancelled, will certainly be trimmed, as “Community,” is the lowest-rated of the Thursday night comedies, though “Parks and Rec” was even lower-rated when it aired last season.

It’s still very possible that they’ll simply mix-and-match throughout the season, and run new episodes of “Parks and Rec” in alternating time-slots, to fill in for reruns or allow other shows to go on temporary hiatus. My guess — and this is just a guess — will be that “Parks and Rec” will replace “Community” in January for three months, and then “Community” will return in April for the last two months of the season. I’d like to think that, when “Community” returns, “Parks and Rec” will fill in for “Outsourced,” assuming NBC burns off all of the new “Outsourced” eps. It’s wishful thinking.

In either respect, chances are, one of those shows — or both — won’t make it to next season. “Community,” the better rated show, hovers around the 2.0 rating in the prized demographic; anything lower than that — especially on the most-watched night of television — and it’s in danger of being pulled.

I just don’t understand why they don’t move the higher-rated “30 Rock” to the 8:00 hour, so it can lead into “Community,” instead of the other way around. But I’m not an NBC exec — and clearly, the fourth place network knows what it’s doing.

A couple of weeks ago, someone asked about DVR viewing, and how it fit into the television ratings. DVR viewership is accounted for fully into two weeks after a show airs, so it’s not part of the initial ratings. But a couple of low-rated shows during their initial run — “Fringe” and “Parenthood” — actually add the highest percentage of DVR viewers. “Fringe” adds around 45 percent more viewers when DVRs are accounted for, while “Parenthood” adds around 40 percent — giving it a 3.1 in the demo, which is pretty decent, and gives it a nice safety net on the low-rated NBC network. “Grey’s Anatomy” adds the third highest percentage of viewers on DVR. I suspect there are a lot of people who watch either “The Office,” “Grey’s Anatomy,” or “Fringe” live, and catch the other one or two on DVR. For the record, “Community” adds around .6 on DVR, to bring its ratings up to a somewhat better 2.5 in the demo. Compare that to around a 2.8 - 2.9 for “Outsourced,” which does not add a lot on DVR.

Talk about relativity, though. “Community” scores a paltry 4 million viewers on NBC and it could be cancelled, while “Mad Men’s” finale scored 2.4 million viewers last Sunday, and that’s a huge success. If only “Community” could air on AMC. For years and years, or at least until Chevy Chase dies.

Finally, Deadline is reporting that ABC has cut its order for a second season of “V” from 13 episodes to 10 episodes, beginning this January. So, great news! That’s three less episodes of “V” we have to ignore.









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Comments

If "Community" is cancelled, I will fucking cut someone. I'm a Puerto Rican with an intimate knowledge in zombie eradication, so don't do it NBC. OK? "Parks and Recreation"- WHY? Mediocre reviews, serviceable ratings. "Community"- serviceable ratings, AWESOME reviews. This show is a grower, not a show-err, people.

And Dustin has a better grasp on programming than anyone remotely in charge at NBC. So much fail. So little time. It's like the video game industry. Do they have no idea what their audience fucking wants?

Posted by: AlexaCastro at October 19, 2010 10:16 AM

I'm not sure why DVR ratings are relevant. Ratings are used primarily, if not only, for advertisers and the DVR is used primarily, if not only, for avoiding advertisements. If you watch a show on DVR, the ratings don't matter because KFC(or whomever) isn't going to get to advertise to you unless they insert their product directly in to the show.

It's a problem TV is going to have to figure out, as when the baby boomers start dying off, and CSI: Pheonix no longer gets good live ratins because NO ONE will watch non-sports live TV, they're going to have to figure out how "rate" shows.

I suggest that the advertisers for highly DVR'd shows should just make a commercial that makes sense in regular speed, but when you speed it up, it tells a whole new story. That... or just do a still shot and make it like a billboard.

Posted by: Michael Dubya at October 19, 2010 10:23 AM

I sympathize with you Parks and Rec fans, I truly do. I have loved many shows on the cusp, and yours is a funny one. But if it comes down to Parks and Rec vs. Community I'll put the bullet in Parks and Rec's head myself. Community is sacred.

Posted by: hector at October 19, 2010 10:33 AM

Any of you "people" who are watching that god awful abomination Outsourced better fucking cut it out now because if Parks and Rec, or much more importantly Community gets canceled I will hunt you down.

And so help me, you will regret ever laughing at that cliche of a cliche Gupta. There will be no mercy.

Posted by: becks at October 19, 2010 10:48 AM

Outsourced has one or two chuckle-inducing moments, as does Parks and Rec. Nothing more. Community, however, is fucking hilarious. NBC is programmed by constipated, ADHD suffering chimps.

Posted by: Nat at October 19, 2010 10:53 AM

I guess I'll go there:

I like Community. I do. It's cute and funny. I can't seem to feel the same cult-like devotion for it others do, but maybe that's coming. After all, I started off thinking this show was crap.

I LOVE Parks and Recreation. Sorry, I do. I guess I feel it more than Community?

And lately, I'm finding Outsourced cute. Sorry. No, I'm not sorry. Almost every show I've ever ended up liking or loving started off awkward. Even the great 30 Rock--go back and watch that pilot. It's WEIRD. Outsourced got kind of cute its third episode in. That's not bad.

We can all like or not like what we want. I can't help that I enjoyed last week's episode of Outsourced.

So there. In my ideal world, we keep ALL of them. Or hell, I'm willing to sacrifice my greatest love of all time--The Office. It's run its course now, anyway and probably needs to have a mercy killing.

Posted by: Snuggiepants at October 19, 2010 10:58 AM

No, Parks and Rec is pretty funny and the characters are fully realized works of art at this point. I would definitely be sad to see Ron go among others but you are correct that the true tragedy would be Community.

Outsourced is a steaming pile of NBC executive dung that monkeys wouldn't even fling.

Posted by: becks at October 19, 2010 11:00 AM

Et Tu, Snuggie?

It's no biggie sistah! By the way, wanna head out for a little row boating with me? Did I ever tell you the one about not going against the family?

Posted by: becks at October 19, 2010 11:05 AM

Where does Hulu play into all this? Does that count for anything? I'm a poor college student and the only way I get to watch ANYTHING is on there.

Community and Raising Hope are the only two shows I watch that aren't on a premium network, so of course one of them is in danger of being cut. Blah.

Posted by: SugarSweet at October 19, 2010 11:07 AM

Community brought back the JD and Turk goofiness i loved so much from Scrubs.

Abed and Troy must live on. Cant wait for them to spoof Eaaaaaaagleeeee.

And i want more Ken Jeong. El Tigre was the cat's pajamas!

Posted by: haplo at October 19, 2010 11:07 AM

I've been so worried about Community getting canceled that I have been watching on the NBC website instead of Hulu just so the execs can see that I AM WATCHING IT! (I don't have a TV)

Please don't cancel Community.

Posted by: denesteak at October 19, 2010 11:10 AM

People, people, listen. Shows shouldn't make you think. You shouldn't have to understand things in order to enjoy yourself. That's what laugh tracks are for, so you don't have to get the joke, you just have to be there and laugh. It's about being part of society, thinking is for individuals, and individuals are lonely, disturbed people.

The unabomber was an individual.

Come join the pack. Laugh along when it's time to laugh, you know, when everybody else is laughing.

Join us.





...Join us.

Posted by: DarthBrookes at October 19, 2010 11:34 AM

@Nat - Please tell me that you're not comparing Parks & Rec to Outsourced. I get that you like Community better, and I respect that. I LOVE Community. BUT, Parks & Rec is fucking hilarious. Anyone who watched season 2 could tell you that; speaking of...

@AlexaCastro - No. You're wrong. Parks & Rec got amazing reviews once they turned things around after the mediocre first season. Critics across the land were praising it last year.

That said, I think what we're all saying, is CANCEL OUTSOURCED and put both Community and Parks & Rec on every Thursday. Don't let the bad show turn us against each other - that's exactly what it wants.

Posted by: Nicole at October 19, 2010 12:21 PM

RE "clearly, the fourth place network knows what it’s doing"

Sure, they'll just replace half of their schedule with a singing competition or a dancing competition, and they're set. I don't know why they haven't done it already.

Posted by: Slash at October 19, 2010 12:36 PM

Dustin, there's also the example of "Boardwalk Empire" getting picked up for a second season with only (I'm pretty sure) 2.4ish million viewers for the pilot. On some level, that's jawdropping. A show which is THAT expensive with that SMALL of an overall viewership getting an immediate pick up.

NBC's line up and programming is an abyss of stupidity and disconnect. I've watched Outsourced twice and I still don't understand why it holds the 9:30, more mature audiences only please, time slot. If they really wanted all four shows to have a shot then run it with Outsourced at 8, followed by 30 Rock, then Community, then The Office. Done and Done.

Posted by: Barnes78 at October 19, 2010 12:43 PM

What you're all missing is that NBC can feel all fuzzy inside for keeping "Outsourced." It's full of minorities! NBC loves affirmative action! They're all about the little people!

Ironically, the Black and Indian actors/actresses on "Parks" and "Community" would DOMINATE those low-talent "Outsourced" sellouts. The call center may as well have a cow walking around the room eating their rickshaws while everyone complains about having the curry shits. Have they done that yet? They probably should because Jimbob in Bumbfuck, Nowhere thinks highbrow fare like that is the apex of the genre, and NBC wants lazy simpletons like him to be happy above all others.

Posted by: Kballs at October 19, 2010 12:44 PM

I like Community, but this season things are off about it. I think it may be trying to hard at this point. Also, the total reset at the beginning of each episode (how many more times is Jeff going to learn the same lesson?) is getting a bit old. I still like the show, but I'm starting to get worried.

The obvious answer is keep Community, bring back Parks (NOW!) keep that laugh-free 30 minutes of Outsourced if you must, but cancel The Office after this season. When Michael leaves, the show should end. It is going to be an even paler imitation of the glory years after that departure no matter WHO they bring in to replace Steve Carell. Just have Angela get pregnant and shotgun wed to Dwight, make Andy the manager, and leave the rest alone. That will be enough closure to finish it off with goodwill intact.

Posted by: TylerDFC at October 19, 2010 12:51 PM

Also, the total reset at the beginning of each episode (how many more times is Jeff going to learn the same lesson?) is getting a bit old.

Three weeks ago, I would have cut you for this. But not today. Today I agree. It's still better than 90% of whats on TV (since 90% of whats on TV is reality based) but I'll admit that the same character development every week is wearing thin. We get it. He's a good guy inside. I promise, we get it.

Posted by: superasente at October 19, 2010 1:06 PM

I love the office but I wouldn't been fine with Jim and Pam's wedding being the finale. Please cancel them and outsourced but leave my 30 rock, parks, and community.

Posted by: Charlie kelly at October 19, 2010 1:08 PM

You Americans fuck everything up...

I swear if you take Community away from my I will go outside and Punch a Kangaroo... I'm serious, I'll fucking do it.

Posted by: RonnyK at October 19, 2010 1:13 PM

I am assuming that a DVR rating would be less valuable because it's assumed that no one in their right mind would actually watch the commercials if they had the ability to fast forward, right? Also, why wouldn't a DVR recording register as a normal viewing, since the tuner is on that station in order to record? Am I being watched?

Posted by: The Lola Monster at October 19, 2010 2:35 PM

I'm with Snuggiepants. Don't get the Community infatuation, but I think Parks and Rec is hilarious. Plus, the cast is so much more talented and likable and I don't want to see Ansari out of a job. So kill the other stupid show.

Outsourced is...cute. Sometimes. When it's not being offensive. I think what kills it is the main American guy, because the Indian actors are generally pretty great.

Posted by: figgy at October 19, 2010 3:29 PM

Do the powers-that-be look at OnDemand viewings? I watch all Thursday NBC shows OnDemand because we can only DVR two shows at once, and NBC is the only channel which currently offers the OD option.

So far this season, they don't allow for fast-forwarding on NBCOD, either, so shouldn't that be the most valuable viewership of all to the advertisers?

Posted by: caryha at October 19, 2010 3:38 PM

But those are the two shows I actually watch on NBC not about creating a Las Vegas act. If they cancel Community and Parks and Recreation, all my sitcoms will be animated again.

Posted by: Robert at October 19, 2010 4:04 PM

Good point, figgy. I don't give a crap about the two white guys on Outsourced, though I do have fond feelings for the Deiter (sp?) guy.

It's the other characters I'm warming up to.

KBalls, they've already done half of that. On one episode, the head white guy gets some "pepper" dish and the other white guy goes "you didn't get THAT, did you?" and then there's some joke about flames shooting out of your ass.

They're way ahead of ya!!!

They did make up a fake Indian holiday this last time and convinced the white guy it was real so they could get a half day off. Then he went around wishing everyone a Jolly Vindaloo Day.

Posted by: Snuggiepants at October 19, 2010 4:58 PM

NotgoingtodefendOutsourcednotgoingtodefendOutsourcednotgoingtodefendOutsourcednotgoingtodefendOutsourcednotgoingtodefendOutsourcednotgoingtodefendOutsourcednotgoingtodefendOutsourced...

Okay, damn it, Snuggiepants, I have to. That last joke, about "Vindaloo Day" is actually at the stupid white Americans' expense: our need to be liked by everyone, for no one to think we're racist, and generally to be accepting of differences (when it suits us). If it's crass, stupid, or racist, it is so against the white guy, not his Indian colleagues.

That spicy food joke, though. Yeah. That screams hillbilly.

At this point, if we're already talking about next season, it's a win for both Community and Parks and Recreation. Yes, NBC should cancel The Office after this season. Actually, everyone who works on the show (save the non-creative crew who don't get paid millions, or hundreds of thousands) should walk away in the knowledge that their story is done. Everyone would save face if they just bowed out gracefully.

Of course, then NBC would just bring The Office back at 7pm EST and ruin everyone's ratings. Then again, we might get Community on TBS...

Posted by: RobP at October 19, 2010 5:21 PM

If NBC cancels Community, I will literally cry.
If NBC cancels Community, but keeps Outsourced I think I'll slit my wrists.

Posted by: Ellie at October 19, 2010 6:58 PM

Oh well. I can always go back to beating my head against the wall.

Posted by: Lucas at October 19, 2010 9:21 PM

The unabomber was an individual.

I was, and still am, an individual. Didn't you read my manifesto? But I love Community and if it's cancelled, I've got some explosives up in this prison (stupid guards are clueless) and I'm not afraid to use them.

Posted by: The Unabomber at October 19, 2010 10:53 PM

I have no power to control your ratings here from the concrete shores of Canada, and though I've never seen Outsourced, I think it should be cancelled because it is crazy to me that Community could face the death penalty over a show about which I've heard nothing good.

I do watch Parks and find it objectively good (except for the April character who annoys the hell out of me--but a fan favourite I'm told...fans have some odd favourites), but there's this weird disconnect that I experience watching it. It's strange, I always feel as if I'm laughing with these characters but I don't care what happens to any of them. I'd like to see it back, but I'm in the camp that would slit its throat to save Community from the fire if I had the choice. Not that I would want it to come to that, and it's a moot point for reasons already explained, but that's where I stand.

Anyway, you have the power to get rid of this phantom devil (to me) Outsourced. Only YOU (seriously) can prevent unnecessary canning. Listen to our foreigner cries, you get to decide EVERYTHING for us, we're fucking powerless, we have no voice and we want to screammmm!! I have a show I enjoy and then it's snatched because it didn't play in Wilmington: that's a 'dang'. Why did you cancel The Wedding Bells? That show had moxie--ha, ha, ha! Okay, I'm kidding about that, nobody cared. Still, hear our plaints: anon and presently!

Make the right choice, America. Make MY choice, America.

Posted by: Jo 'Mama' Besser at October 20, 2010 12:21 AM

The unabomber likes community?

I knew I liked him.

Posted by: John G. at October 20, 2010 12:31 AM

figgy, thanks for sticking up for the Indian actors on Outsourced. Those actors are hilarious (I know one of them personally) and are brought down completely by the main white guy and the abysmal writing/set-up/novelty fart jokes are you kidding me?

I want Parks & Rec back. But I want Community to stay. I agree The Office should end after this season because Steve Carrel is done. So...hopefully...we can have Parks & Rec, Community, 30 Rock, Outsourced (maybe it'll get better? it kind of only can get better right....right?) next season!

Posted by: Littlejon2001 at October 20, 2010 2:45 AM

I honestly think it has a lot of potential, they just need to dial down the fish-out-of-water crap and be a little more original.

Posted by: figgy at October 20, 2010 7:10 PM

Community is by far my favorite show on TV. If anyone knows where to write in to try and save the show, let me know.

Posted by: RG at October 21, 2010 3:54 PM

I agree with TylerDFC.

100%

And while I LOVE COMMNUNITY, I think PARKS & RECREATION is actually, probably, a better show, in that in 15 years I will watch it and still care about the characters whereas COMMUNITY is so of-the-moment that its longevity seems questionable.

Posted by: Less Lee Moore at November 2, 2010 6:10 PM