There May Be an 8th Book in the 'Song of Ice and Fire' Series Because Hahaha F*ck You, George R.R. Martin

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There May Be an 8th Book in the 'Song of Ice and Fire' Series Because Hahaha F*ck You, George R.R. Martin

By Dustin Rowles | Trade News | June 3, 2014 | Comments ()


In a Q&A with the editor of George R.R. Martin’s Song of Ice and Fires series, Anne Groell conceded that, though Martin is only under contract to deliver seven books, he may in fact release an eighth book because there may be eight kingdoms in the world of Westeros to explore.

“I remember when he called me, years and years back, to confess that his little trilogy was…well…no longer a trilogy. He predicted four books. I said Seven Books for Seven Kingdoms. Then he said five books. I said Seven Books for Seven Kingdoms. Then he went to six. I said… Well, you get it. Finally, we were on the same page. Seven Books for Seven Kingdoms. Good. Only, as I recently learned while editing The World of Ice and Fire (another awesome thing you must buy when it comes out!), there are really technically eight kingdoms, all having to do with who has annexed what when Aegon the Conqueror landed in Westeros. So, maybe eight books for Seven Kingdoms would be okay.

Well, no. Actually, that’s not OK. I think Arya says it best:

The UK publisher of A Song of Ice and Fire confirmed to The Guardian that the book series may run longer than seven books.

“I know there’s been some speculation that A Song of Ice and Fire may run to more than the seven books we currently have under contract, but in all honesty only George knows how many books there will be in the series and he’s not saying: indeed at this stage of the writing, with the many branching pathways of the characters’ stories still to intersect, he may not know.

So, only George knows, kind of. The publisher also admits there may be too much to tie up in only two books, but given the rate at which Martin kills off characters, he may finish in seven books yet.

Either way, unless book six comes out soon and presents a considerable number of of episode possibilities, I would not expect the HBO series to run more than seven seasons.

Source: Guardian

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  • stryker1121

    Don't make me go Annie Wilkes on you, Georgie boy.


  • John G.

    Maybe the showrunners can use the extra time waiting for the 8th book to fill in all the stuff the left out of Littlefinger's character turning him from the first or second most devious and insanely intelligent participants of "the game" into a moron who leaves almost everything up to chance, confesses his secrets to his employees and little girls, and challenges the powerful directly to their face.

  • AngelenoEwok

    and talks like a leprechaun

  • stella

    Dude even non book readers are like, "just write the damn thing already"

  • janeite1900


  • Rowles showing rookies how to get those pageviews, son. All in the headline.

  • That can't be true. I've read the books and I'm fairly certain that GRRM's editor is locked in a cupboard under the stairs somewhere.

  • logan

    Maybe GRRM has got all the books written but his publisher cant release them until a year after he's dead so he can crush all your hopes and dreams first.

  • logan

    I'm glad I'm not emotionally involved in the books because I think you people are screwed.


  • vic

    Ugh, don't push it, George. It's bad enough we're all worried about you having a heart attack before you even finish book six. And why on Earth would you bother focusing on an eighth kingdom? Aren't there ice zombies you should be more concerned about?!

  • I can't wait to see how Brandon Sanderson finishes the story!

  • So long as it isn't Kevin J. Anderson.

  • Professor Sara

    You take that back! Joe Abercrombie or bust!

  • stryker1121

    I could live with that.

  • Bert_McGurt

    Oh, there'll be an eighth book after all. Only, it's a collection of obituaries. It's going to be 3,000 pages long.

  • VohaulsRevenge

    Not including the 500-page appendix.

  • VonnegutSlut

    At this rate, I'm not entirely sure GRRM doesn't intend to EVER finish the books, considering the fact that he already told the GoT showrunners how the series will end. He can just keep writing encyclopedias of his own fictional histories until his heart is content.

    I'm not being facetious--I genuinely think this entirely possible.

  • JJ
  • competitivenonfiction

    This GIF makes me uncomfortable in a way I just can't understand or explain. And not in a good way.

  • JJ

    This'll make you feel better.

  • competitivenonfiction

    WHY does this bother me so much!? WHY?

  • VohaulsRevenge

    Mad props for a clip from an all-time fave.

  • JustOP

    Nah, I'm good George. Seven will do. Cheers mate.

    Sincerely, every fucking game of thrones fan on earth.

  • cox

    even taking this at its face value, and not as the obvious trolling that it really is, who cares? he will never finish the 6th book. ever. doesnt matter how many books he is planning to write after the 7th, if he cant fucking stop writing encyclopedias of his own work to finish the 6th.

  • Enrique del Castillo

    That was hilarious. My favorite part is this:

    "All I can say is that George is hard at work, and we hope to have it reasonably soon. I currently have 168 pages that he submitted back in Feb 2013 in order to receive a contracted payment, but I know more exists, because he keeps talking about chapter he hasn’t yet sent me."

    So, the editor has less than 168, sent a year ago, but don't lose hope! There's one more chapter already written! Even if those 168 pages include the already revealed chapters, there's still a very long wait for the book to come out. At this point, expecting to see the series conclusion on the books is dumb, I will be fine if the show finishes the story and GRRM publishes the last book by 2026 with an alternate ending.

    If GRRM wants people to stop asking him about the next book, maybe he should actually write it.

  • Art3mis

    I haven't been reading the released chapters, but haven't there been quite a few of them? Like, enough that they probably constitute the majority of those 168 pages?

  • Finance_Nerd

    Yeah, right. GRRM has been averaging 5+ years between books since the 00's & will turn 66 this year. Assuming he finishes Winds of Winter this year (not betting on it), he'd be in his early 80's by the time he got around to finishing book 8. I think his editor is just trolling us

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