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The WB Takes It One Step Too Far, Sets Batman and Superman Buddy Movie As Follow Up to Man of Steel

By Dustin Rowles | Trade News | July 20, 2013 | Comments ()


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Warner Brothers is set to follow-up Man of Steel with a Batman and Superman movie in 2015, which will see the universe’s most powerful man and a guy with a cape and a lot of gadgets, team up to take down a villain, or more likely, a host of them, in a movie I’m sure will feature 17 origins stories, a monkey sidekick, and a six-hour runtime. Zack Snyder, naturally, will co-write the script with his Man of Steel co-writer, David S. Goyer, and direct because that could never wrong. They have ambitions of continent-sized collateral damage, as well as three 45 minute climactic finales. Joe Pesci may or may not be brought in as the obnoxious third-wheel slash comic relief.

Christopher Nolan will executive produce (which is to say, collect a paycheck for allowing his name to be included in the credits), and Henry Cavill will return, though Christian Bale will not reprise his Dark Knight role (chances are, that role will fall to Joseph Gordon-Levitt). Amy Adams, Laurence Fishburne and Diane Lane are all returning, as well. Who knows! Maybe Topher Grace will reprise is Venom character from Spider-Man III to make the logjam clusterfuck complete (somewhere, Sam Raimi is shaking his head).

But wait! That’s not all. If the combination of Batman and Superman is not too much of a good thing already, WB plans a Flash movie in 2016, followed by a Justice League movie in 2017, which will hopefully include the Wonder Twins and, f*ck it, bring on Apache Chief, too. Just don’t include the Green Lantern because poor Ryan Reynolds is box-office poison these days.

Man, I am super-hero’d out.


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  • I think you make Clark the focus of the movie given that it's a sequel to a movie entirely about him. And you bring in Batman as someone who saw the events of Man of Steel and is worried about this guy who has the ability to destroy everything.

    As many have pointed out, many incarnations of Batman (such as Tower of Babel and Hush) depict him as very prepared or even paranoid. So while Clark is doing his Superman thing, Batman is just in the background doing recon and figuring out ways to stop him if he flies off the handle. You could also have Bruce interacting with Lex Luthor somehow, maybe as their companies try to rebuild Metropolis. If you do that you can have Clark investigating their business practices, making him suspicious of Bruce and therefore creating some tension in that relationship.

    I'm not sure this whole idea is the best way to go. I liked Man of Steel enough that I think it could blossom into a solid franchise. But I'm an enormous Batman fan. So I'm almost always going to welcome more of him. And if you can do it right, Batman and Superman together could be great.

  • The Gaf

    BTW- Thats not Batman in the image above. It's a clone. THE GAF FTW!!

  • Man, WB can't get out of it's own way. I was saying they should be building towards a World's Finest movie instead of a Justice League movie no one wants, but I think they've put the cart in front of the horse here. It's like that scene in Meaning of Life - "How about a kiss, boy? What's wrong with a kiss?"

    Man of Steel, for all it's faults, set the table perfectly for a great second act where Superman teaches himself to be a proper hero instead of Godzilla while a Trump-esque Lex Luthor tries to get him kicked off the planet. It would give an opportunity to hint at or even introduce a Bruce Wayne character as well, but diving right into a full on Superman/Batman story before Superman is even fully developed (not to mention before you even start the work of establishing your new Batman) reeks of desperation in a race against Avengers 2.

    All of that said, seeing as this is WB, I'm really not surprised. Although with the way things are going we'll probably only have to wait until 2018 or so for both titles to be rebooted again...

  • Uriah_Creep

    Trump-esque Lex Luthor

    So you envision Lex Luthor wearing a badger on his head?

  • My gut reaction was excitement, but the more I think about it, the more I think it just sounds freakin' exhausting. Superman was soooooooo looooooooong and there was so much shit blowing up that it got very, very old very, very quickly. And the problem is that after that much destruction they have nowhere to go but up, so this time it'll be 20 office buildings exploding instead of 10, 500 cars going up in the air instead of 200, 1.5 hours of explosions instead of 45 minutes and just exhausting. Unless someone manages to get Snyder to TONE IT THE FUCK DOWN, I'm not terribly excited about this.

  • Pretty much this. If you compare the separate stories from the respective franchises, they're hugely different. JLA-Batman and JLA-Superman are still different, but Snyder would have to dip into those stories or even World's Finest or Hush to get something palpable. However, that means one or the other's going to have to be sidelined to snarky sidekick (Superman) or "omnipotent voice in the ear" (Batman). Batman can't fly around in space to fight baddies and Superman's powers don't make him the best candidate for a detective's partner.

  • Green Lantern

    Okay, as the site's resident superhero I feel obliged to comment but I'm still compiling my thoughts overall. I *will* add the following:

    I think it's probably a smart move to shoot for a Superman/Batman movie before attempting a Justice League flick.

    The Supes/Bat Batman should have NOTHING to do with the one from Nolan's films, so JGL should be right out of the running.

    Not sure how I feel about the same production team from "MoS" handling "S/B".

    Finally, anyone who read the old-school "World's Finest" or the more recent "Superman/Batman" series knows that there are any number of excellent stories that can be written, or dare I say adapted, for these two iconic characters. A smart person would have already been researching such...therefore it probably hasn't/won't happen.

  • Helo

    A random thought... If this is the world posited by Man of Steel and they're going to play up Batman as capable of going toe to toe with Supes... It stands to reason that the discovery of Kryptonite is going to be kind of important in the script.

    Way I figure, outside of Kryptonite, what else can possibly level the playing field in Batman's favor?

    I defer to the knowledge of savvier readers, I'm not terribly immersed in comic lore.

  • foolsage

    Superman's other main weaknesses are magic and psionic attacks. Bats has been known to use ritual magic on a (very) few occasions but is far more likely to bring in e.g. his ex Zatanna. I think kryptonite is far more likely though; I just hope they don't overuse it.

  • There have been at least a thousand stories written and published about Batman and Superman teaming up. Making this work in a film is a really tough nut to crack, though.

    I'd go with Batman thinking that he has to find a way to keep Superman in check and them finding a way to work together.

  • toblerone

    Bring G.L. but only if it's John Stewart. We'll just pretend the RyRy thing never happened happen, okay?

    The only question is will Johnny Depp play Apache Chief?

    *Let's start the Donald Glover for John Stewart campaign now.

  • toblerone

    **Also a campaign for Joel McHale as the Flash.

  • Mr_Zito

    The movie will start with a flashback from when they met in Superman's Deadliest Catch years.

  • AudioSuede

    Still no Wonder Woman movie.

  • The Kilted Yaksman

    Put Katee Sackhoff in the fucking black wig and make the movie already, Hollywood!

  • toblerone

    NO!!! Katee is a blonde, that can never change.

    W.W. will jus have to go blonde.

  • The Kilted Yaksman

    OK. You talked me into it.

  • toblerone

    Does anyone really want one?

  • foolsage

    Yes.

  • toblerone

    It has so much baggage though, I can't see them not f*cking it up.

  • foolsage

    Six years ago a lot of people might have said the same about Iron Man, or Thor, or Captain America.

  • Long_Pig_Tailor

    On his own, I still feel like Thor is a bit of a fuck up. It's the only MCU movie I haven't rewatched yet, despite it being integral to Avengers prepping.

  • toblerone

    Not a W.W.'s level but yes your point is true.

  • foolsage

    Oh, I agree. Wonder Woman is a uniquely challenging property. Still, a lot of people, myself included, would love to see it brought to film well.

  • Long_Pig_Tailor

    Honestly, I feel like pretty much all DC properties are just absurdly challenging in comparison to Marvel. It's the alternate United States thing, the clearly separate, if analogous world. I think the realism aspect is necessary when you go to make a movie, but then, especially when you start shooting for a Justice League, you start whipping around Gotham and Metropolis and Amnesty Bay or what have you and... it gets harder to take seriously. Wonder Woman has that, and the Thor problem, and then also the Hollywood doesn't understand vaginas problem, so while it'd be awesome to see a good Wonder Woman movie, I remain intensely skeptical.

  • DeaconG

    The Flash? Really? And if John Wesley Shipp doesn't play Jay Garrick in some way, shape, form or fashion; I will be pissed!

  • Pants-are-a-must

    Dear Hollywood: JOSEPH GORDON-LEVITT IS NOT THE ANSWER TO ALL YOUR SUPERHERO QUESTIONS FFS. Dude's adorable but come on, now. Really.

  • VohaulsRevenge

    I'm a big JGL fan, but I don't see it. The switch from Bale to JGL reminds me too much of the one from Keaton to Val Kilmer (let's put the rest of that Schumacher bullshit aside, for the sake of argument): he was passable, but too boyish to ever look quite right. I saw Kilmer in that suit, and also saw Jim Morrison or Iceman, depending on the light. No thanks.

  • Pants-are-a-must

    He doesn't have the physicality or the right demeanor for a Batman. He just doesn't. He has done brilliant action roles and brilliant dramatic roles, but he is just not a Batman.

  • Maguita NYC

    I'm wondering if maybe JGL could actually BE the next Robin, who will be made to pick the new Batman?

    That could be a nice twist.

  • Pants-are-a-must

    Isn't JGL too old to play Robin? TDKR seemed to be pushing the Nightwing angle, but I'm liking more and more the idea of Matt Bomer as Nightwing...

  • The Kilted Yaksman

    None of them but Bale had the physicality and demeanor for Batman, IMO.
    I still see Beetlejuice in a rubber suit when I see Keaton as Batman.

  • Maguita NYC

    He could have been a perfect Robin though.

  • toblerone

    YES. He totally fits the Burt Ward mould.

  • Pants-are-a-must

    Chris Nolan thought so too. Which is why he SHOULD NOT BE BATMAN, EVER.

  • Long_Pig_Tailor

    I think he could still be a good Batman. Even if there's not that much of an obvious size disparity between Supes and the Bat, I feel like on film it would be smart for Superman to have some inches on Batman, which does work out if you have Cavill and JGL in the roles.

    I mean, this fucking idea is still shit, because it's obviously just, "Fuck, we can't pull off Justice League... Um, how 'bout a team-up?" which is not a good basis for spending upwards of 200 million dollars. But JGL as Batman? I'm good with it.

  • He's perfect as Nightwing. Not "about to take the Batcowl" Nightwing, though.

  • Maguita NYC

    Too cute and pretty for Batman. Not questioning his abilities as an actor, I'm quite sure he could play dark psycho killer... Just not batman filling suit dark and broody.

  • Idle Primate

    And too small and narrow shouldered

  • Long_Pig_Tailor

    Eh, I think he could bulk up enough to be believable. And understand, I'm not entirely sure I'm arguing for him as much of a standalone Batman (maybe doable, not sure), but more as a team Batman. On film, I feel like Batman needs to be smaller than Superman, which I think a mildly bulked up JGL accomplishes nicely opposite Cavill.

    But then, and this is just tangent now, I have this thing where I mostly think comic book characters are drawn way too large as a rule. And though it runs against canon and stuff, Batman's always struck me as somebody who's a little less the giant hunk of man that he's usually drawn as. Bale worked nicely because he wasn't remotely bulky, though he was still standard issue tall. Basically, to my mind the "realistic" Batman falls into a physical type closer to the Matt Damon Jason Bourne than the dark and broody Adonis.

  • James

    If The Dark Knight Returns is the inspiration last thing it will be is a buddy movie.

    But it is easier to bitch.

  • Worst.Movie.Ever.

  • pnnylne
  • the universe’s most powerful man and a guy with a cape and a lot of gadgets

    You've got to be fucking kidding me.

  • Long_Pig_Tailor

    Seriously. Nolan's Batman? Sure, probably out of his depth a bit with Superman levels of villainy. Literally any other kind of Batman? That guy will kill and/or capture the shit out of any damn thing if you give him half a warning. His superpowers are paranoia and planning on such a level it's like the hysterical strength of a mother lifting a car off her child. The dude is incapable of long-lasting relationships with anything but pubescent boys because he doesn't trust anything else enough not to immediately compile a plan for how he'll kill it if he has to (he only doesn't bother with the Robins because he knows they'll end up dead in the line of duty in, like, six months at the outside). Everything he encounters in his daily life, he immediately figures how to destroy it utterly just in case that's something which has to happen, which the trauma of losing his parents has warped into a question of when, not if.

    That is to say-- He's the goddamn Batman and will fuck you up.

    ETA: I mean, he focuses all of that towards good, obvs, but it's basically a barely controlled capacity to just lay waste to the planet because fuck you, that's why.

    ETA2: Like, Alan Moore couldn't even make Watchmen's plot work without breaking Batman into two parts-- 1) the paranoid badass who's so crazy he defeats himself despite being totally right all the time and 2) the badass inventor detective who's actually kind of a dumbass. If those had been one guy, that is, had they actually been Batman, Ozymandias would've had his ass handed to him before the Comedian hit the sidewalk.

  • All of this. I probably received the downvote because I couldn't put my thoughts into words like you did. Given the snarky nature of the article, I can understand the underestimation, but at the same time, Batman as "a guy with a cape and a lot of gadgets"? Oh, hell no.

  • His superpowers are paranoia and planning on such a level it's like the hysterical strength of a mother lifting a car off her child.

    This is MY Batman. He'd have slapped the crap out of the Nolan Batman for abandoning Gotham for the better part of a decade, and backhanded the Nolan Alfred for crying about it.

  • foolsage

    I couldn't agree more. Fans are well aware that, far from being "a guy with a cape and a lot of gadgets", it's actually BATMAN who's the most dangerous guy around. Given time to plan, Batman wins, against anyone and everyone. He's beaten Superman several times, and no, Supes was not holding back.

    As to the team-up itself, there's a very long and storied history there. For that matter, if you can't make Supes and Bats work together in a movie with the two of them, you can't make a Justice League movie either.

    I did disagree on one point: I feel certain that Bats has had contingency plans to kill all the Robins, too. It's just how Bats approaches everyone; he figures everyone might be a threat at some point and he always plans to be ready for it.

  • Long_Pig_Tailor

    I was mostly kidding about the Robins. Because you kid about the Robins, it's what people do, you know? It's easily the silliest part of the Bat myth.

  • It's easily the silliest part of the Bat myth.

    And yet the civilians always go, "Where's Robin?!"

  • Idle Primate

    The batman of the nolan films never struck me as the genius plans detective he sometimes is elsewhere so much as just an action vigilante

  • The Adam West Batman was a better investigator / detective than the Nolan Batman.

  • foolsage

    Agreed. We haven't really had a film version yet of the World's Greatest Detective. Batman, in DC continuity (though I'm not yet sure about the New 52) is literally one of the most intelligent humans alive. He's a masterful planner who's always ten steps ahead of everyone else. Bats isn't the deadliest guy around because he's rich, but because he's a deeply deranged obsessive genius polymath; a man who does everything at Olympic levels, and whose specialty is detective work. He will figure out your plan, and stop it before you even know he's there. Then he'll come kick your ass.

    But yeah, we usually get some variant on a rich guy with really nice toys, who beats up thugs, in film. Don't get me wrong, I loved the Nolan Bat-films overall, but that's not the same Batman as the one from the comics, anymore than the Tim Burton version was.

  • BlackRabbit

    Problem there is about the same one you run into with Superman-how do you make a believable plot, a villain he can face? I'm not saying it can't be done, but the comics have strayed too far into "Bat-god" territory at times to make it a real uphill climb.

    And Batman is a little too flawed. His craziness stops him from taking the right way out, and it's just a way for him to eternally work through his own issues. I hate to open one of the oldest bones of contention, but why not kill the Joker? I know, best baddie and the sales would go down, but it's still there. And what's the plan if Bats ever goes bad? Who stops him?

  • If you're thinking of his "continuity" from 1940 to present, you'd might be confused as to why he doesn't kill The Joker. However, with Infinite Crisis and Crisis on Infinite Earths, his personality became streamlined and there's one huge singular truth about Batman: he doesn't kill and he doesn't use guns. Both are how you can tell you're dealing with a hack piece (Neal Adam's Batman: Odyssey, for example).

    Batman's a vigilante, but he's never above the law. It doesn't make sense for him to purposely kill, then expect to be taken seriously as an upholder of justice.

  • Long_Pig_Tailor

    I like to believe Batman has a contingency for offing himself should the need arise. Somehow, I'm sure he's planned for his own true psychotic break.

  • His contingency plan is the JLA stopping him. They're the only ones he believes could do that.

  • Somehow, I'm sure he's planned for his own true psychotic break.

    He's got two plans, at least, in canon. One is to wipe his own memory and become Bruce Wayne once and for all, the other one is to go ALL THE WAY though the psychosis and out the other side (The Batman of Zur-En-Arrh.)

    http://images1.wikia.nocookie....

  • BlackRabbit

    Darnit. See, how do you let someone know about something without it obviously being a spoiler just by mentioning it? Anyway, time to go look at Superdickery.

    Spoiler-Anyway, something somewhat like what you've mentioned happens in Batman R.I.P. I think.

  • Repo

    You deserve all the upvotes. Goddamn this is one quality post.

  • VohaulsRevenge

    I suppose you're referring to that JLA issue in which the files Batman kept on all the Justice League members and their weaknesses were stolen by R'as al-Ghul, allowing him to very nearly destroy the team.

    Still love Batman, though, craziness and all.

  • Long_Pig_Tailor

    I used that mainly, but there's a reason that TV Tropes calls the Batman Gambit the Batman Gambit. Whatever you're trying to pull, dude has a plan for that. He's the App Store of crimefighting.

  • foolsage

    Yeah, the JLA "Tower of Babel" storyline (or the movie version, "Justice League: Doom") was perhaps the best expression of how Bats approaches everyone around him, but it's far from the only one. E.g. Bats not only has kryptonite, but has experimented with it to make a nonlethal red version he can use to stop Supes without killing him.

  • BlackRabbit

    I really don't like either Batman (he's a dick!) or Superman (also a dick, but less so than Batman), so it's nice of the WB to stick them together to make it easier to avoid them.

  • BlackRabbit

    I confess, I'm curious why I was downvoted. Should I have phrased something differently?

  • BiblioGlow

    You went on the internet and insulted Batman and Superman, on a post about Batman and Superman, and you're curious why some people were displeased?

    I'm just saying that maybe this is not a mystery that would require Batman-levels of sleuthing to solve.

  • Fredo

    Man, I am super-hero’d out.

    I would agree with you Dustin. Then again, this is the eternal parabola of Hollywood at work. X-Men and Iron Man and Batman Begins made money, so now they're cranking them out as fast as they can. Until we get to one summer when Iron Man 5, The Stupendous Spider-Man (reboot #3) and Batman vs Superman all tank and everyone jumps ship. Then, comic book movies will go back to being the Direct-to-Video projects they once were.

    Hollywood will kill this golden goose like it's killed all others before: by forcing it to lay many more fucking eggs than the goose can realistically lay.

  • Maguita NYC

    Although still looking forward to the super-man-love, I agree with your point. It is exactly what happened with the "Romcom" genre; The thought of yet another Romcom at the movies makes me gag.

  • Maguita NYC

    Now hold on there Dustin! What do you have against an executive produced Nolan homoerotica? Is it because it's Super-homoerotica that's gotten you all riled up and irrational?

    Because let me tell you ladies and fellas, the thought of man-on-man loving between Cavill and Gordon-Levitt just made me absolutely forget that clusterfuck of a showmance that happened (and ended) just a few days ago.

    Can you imagine Henry Cavill holding Joseph Godon-Levitt, a NAKED Joseph Gordon-Levitt wearing only his Batman mask, tenderly yet firmly against his broad hairy chest, and passionately kissing the french daylights out of him?

    Sploosh.

    *Please note the girl in the middle is me, sacrificing myself for the cause.

  • JGL usually looks 15 years old and like he has the build of a hummingbird. Next to Henry Cavill he'll look 10 and mosquito-sized.

    No, thank you.

  • Uriah_Creep

    Please note the girl in the middle is me

    Well how YOU doin', Maguita?

  • emmalita

    Such a ho. :)

  • Maguita NYC

    A man-loving ho. And don't you forget it missy.

  • The world need more of you. You go, girl.

  • Aaron Schulz

    Shes the ho gotham needs right now.

  • Long_Pig_Tailor

    Is she also the ho Gotham deserves?

  • Maguita NYC

    Ho there! Gotham is ho-town enough for this...

    I feel too dirty just writing this and cannot continue.
    Look! 5$. I'm gonna go buy me ho cream... Wait, that sounded itchy and wrong.

  • emmalita

    And now we know how much a blow job costs in Gotham.
    Also, your fantasy could totally happen in a Zach Snyder film, but probably between Supergirl and Batgirl, because that's how Snyder rolls.

  • Maguita NYC

    I insist that Snyder gets out of his comfort zone and deliver a snazzy super-homoerotica.

    Also, just so people don't think Emmalita is really my pimp (just my wife folks), here's the joke that started it all a few threads back:

    A teenager is walking downtown and a girl whispers to him, "Blowjob, five dollars".

    He gives her a strange look and keeps walking. Soon another girl does the same thing. Confused, he keeps walking.

    The first thing out of his mouth when he returns home was "Mom, what's a blowjob?".

    His mom replies "Five dollars, just like downtown!".

  • emmalita

    Thanks. I guess that would look bad, really bad, without context.

  • Maguita NYC

    Snort. No worries, it still was funny, especially remembering that joke... And the fact that Mrs. J. keeps finding 5$ a lot more often than I do. Hehe.

  • Mrs. Julien

    EXCUSE ME?!

  • sean

    Am I the only one that thinks it might be fun?

  • Helo

    To whatever degree I enjoyed MoS, I feel it was despite Snyder, not because of him.

    And FFS, just get someone outside of the Nolan DK trilogy to take up the mantle of Batman. Nip it in the bud and draw some clear boundaries between the two worlds.

  • Brady

    The Avengers 2, Star Wars: Episode VII, James Bond 24, and this. I'm thinking 2015 is going to see the biggest collective nerdgasm ever.

  • That's what they said about this summer, and I have been sorely disappointed.

  • AshBookworm

    To be fair, Iron Man 3 was great. A threequel that was actually good! That's rare.

  • sean

    Don't forget Ant Man! Also, a Fast and Furious movie. Or two.

  • Natallica

    So, the seemingly unstable and tantrum throwing Bale was actually the only one wise enough to jump off the ship before the disaster

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