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While I agree that Harold Perrineau came off as bitter and silly for playing the race card, I was disappointed in the way the Michael/Walt storyline played out. We still have no idea exactly how they got back to the mainland or what happened in between them heading off on whatever bearing and Walt ending up with his grandmother. And regardless of how terribly Michael went about trying to protect Walt and get him home safely, Walt doesn't know the lengths to which Michael went (to *protect* him). It seemed like every time Michael tried to be a good father, he screwed it up, but Walt should at least have been aware of the intent.

Meanwhile, HP should know better than to burn bridges in his industry.

How about you be a little less bitter, Harold? Particularly since, much as I enjoyed you both on "Lost" and "Oz," you're not a particularly great actor in the first place and should consider yourself at least a little lucky for the career you've had.

Harold why are you complaining? Stop being all uppity and thank the good lord that these good white folk seen fit to let you have a career in the first place.

I thought they wrapped up Michael okay, but I still was left thinking, they made such a huge deal about brining him back on the show... for that? 4 or 5 episodes? Of which only 1 really featured him for more than 5 minutes? I thought it was a waste, but calling it racist is just stupid.

It's a lot like how I felt about Nikki and Paulo. I didn't mind them so much until the producers admited to us that they were worthless. As long as I thought they had a point to the overall storyline, I could tollerate the sloppy introduction. But once they killed them off, without having them add anything whatsoever to the story, I got angry.

Feels like the same thing here. A huge character wasted on something that doesn't seem nearly as important as the hype led us to believe.

Aaron was a fatherless child long before Walt was. I guess they have something against Australians too.

Goddamnit, television makes me crazy. I'm about to start making my own television shows on my farm. Hell, spending all day with my dogs is just like watching "The Hills", they all sit around and just stare at each other or off into space. A couple voice overs and some segue music and I've got a hit show on my hands.

Seriously, I watch like three shows currently on television and only one of them is respected by it's network. The other two constantly get fucked over when it comes to scheduling and promotion.

b, (which, by the way, is the wierdest name to bold), you're thinking of The Edge with Anthony Hopkins... which may be the worst movie I've ever seen, as I scoured it out of my memory until right this moment.

Actually, in Micheal's recent backstory episode, didn't one of the Others figure out that Micheal was so torn with guilt over killing Ana-Lucia & Libby that he told Walt about it, and that's why Walt refused to see him?



I was sad that they were not reconciled before the end, but I wasn't sad when Micheal died. I was too busy screaming about Jin still being on the boat. I'm still holding out hope he's not really dead!! (I know, we've seen Sun visit his grave - I have trouble believing anyone is *really* dead on the show. Until the actor starts showing up in other things.)



All that said, I kind of half-heartedly agree with Harold: it would have been great to see Micheal get to be the dad he never had a chance to be, instead of a suicidal turncoat. I have doubts as to whether the writers were motivated to kill him off by racism, or to get Walt back to front and center so we can figure out why birds like to commit suicide around him (they will tell us, won't they?!?!)

Genny, I think you may have stumbled onto the Next Big Thing: reality shows starring pets.

I'd like to suggest Project Runaway and a very special episode of Canine Intervention, where a distraught pack confronts a troubled dog about his cat-poop addiction.

" Virtuality. The show, about a crew on a 10-year space mission, will have James D'Arcy playing the lead role of the onboard officer responsible for the virtual reality technology that will be the show's focus."

Um, wasn't this the plot of the entire run of Star Trek: The Next Generation?

Perhaps they should have called it Star Trek: The Next Generation In My Pants?

your dog is named 5r celery? I kinda like it...

and as I don't watch Lost (nothing against the show, I just never had the time in the beginning and I can't get myself to jump in so many seasons in), most of this round-up/comments mean nothing to me

sooo, back to my lunch!

I thought HP's comments were ridiculous. Sure, there was a little too much hype for Michael being brought back, but it probably would have been a lot more exciting if we didn't all already know the actor was returning. TV and movie surprises have really been ruined by this Internet thing...

Anyway, I actually liked that Michael died. He did what he set out to do, he did save them with his whole freezing the battery thing/knocking out the engines/whatever else he did while he was on that boat. And because his purpose had been served, he was finally able to rest. Like someone else said, there wasn't much more for his character to do on the show anyway. So he didn't get to reconcile with his son... plenty of people don't. That's life. Get over it.

I don't watch Lost but mmmmmm...butterscotch krimpets. I think I need to run to the vending machine.

well I don't have a dog Genny, but I have a cat!

and shes been driving me NUTS lately...

Stew- I read it the same way and was very confused. In fact, I didn't realize that I had misread it until your comment. Now, it makes much more sense.

Regarding HP and the Lost issue, the way I see it, Christian telling Michael that he could "go now" meant "now you finally get to die, and the writers did you a favor by making your death have a redeeming quality to it, since you killed people and fucked over your friends to get off the island in the first place." Shut up about the "black" thing. It has nothing to do with being black; we all know he busted out the race card to keep his name in the blogs and whatnot.

Thank you for the clip. I was laughing my ass off. "Come to Roxborough, I'll make you a hoagie." Also, Chocolate Juniors RULE, but nothing beats Peanut Butter Kandy Kakes.

Agree about Perrineau's nonsense, but there were a couple of things that got lost (hah!) in the furor about it:

1) How funny is it that he referenced Sayid's plotline to support his argument? Sayid plays an Arab (though I think Naveen Andrews is Indian), and Arabs are probably the most discriminated-against group in the U.S. right now. So, Harold, aside from being paranoid, you're fucking stupid too.

2) How do we know Perrineau's character is actually dead? Yes, the ship blows up, but I never saw Michael's body or other proof. They do crazy shit all the time like bring back people we thought were dead. Having said that, if he was in their future plans before, he's probably not now. So again, Harold, you're a fucking idiot.

As for Perrineau's predilection for getting killed, he appeared to survive 28 Weeks Later, though it's not clear, and that is a movie in which it is easy to get yourself murdered.

Okay, devil's advocate time.

Is what he said really that horrible? I can see why, when other characters were able to reunite with their loved ones, as short-lived as the reunions are, it was off-putting that he didn't get to enjoy such a moment with his character. Especially since, he had to play such a traitorous jackass for so long, maybe he just wanted one thing to go right for the character.

Now I agree that it was weird that he said it about Lost, which as many of you pointed out, is far from happy bunnies and such. But to call him an idiot and saying he should be grateful and shut up just because he criticized one aspect of the show? Especially since he did regret what he said? It is a bit ridiculous.

Just as ridiculous: saying that Michael somehow didn't deserve to reconcile with Walt because of all the shit he pulled. Yeah, he was a fuckup, but it isn't like he did it for shits and giggles. He was doing what he thought was right, and paid for it dearly.

But to call him an idiot and saying he should be grateful and shut up just because he criticized one aspect of the show?

Is that what he's being criticized for, though? It's one thing to say, "I thought it was a compelling storyline, and I thought fans were reacting well to my character, so I'm irritated with the producers for writing me out. I did everything they asked, and they crapped on me, and that sucks." But throwing race out there is pretty incendiary. I'm sure the show relies on drawing fans of all backgrounds (though it's probably a primary candidate for thingswhitepeoplelike.com), and this kind of PR ain't the good kind.

He had a significant part on a huge hit show, so he should be grateful in a general way, just like stupidass Claire (wheh's maheee bah-beeeeee!) should be glad they plucked her out of obscurity. It's understandable to be pissed about being written out of the show. But even a passing comment linking it to race is inexcusable -- is a white driver's frustration over heavy traffic an excuse to mutter a passing comment about "Asian drivers," even if it's just to himself?

I do think it's an odd response to his comments to say, "Well, Michael did a bunch of bad/crazy shit on the show, so Harold Perrineau deserves to go." Michael is a fictional character with no relation to HP's deserving more work, and a redemptive storyline for that character could last for several seasons -- they've done more with less.

"He was doing what he thought was right, and paid for it dearly."

Which scenario are you referring to, Verm? When he murdered two people in order to save his son so they could get off the island and leave everyone else behind? Or when he joined the crew of the freighter in order to sabotage it and finally succeed in killing himself? Because the way I remember it, before Tom came to see him to tell him about the "project" the Others had for him, he was all about committing suicide and leaving his son behind.

A second season of The Two Coreys?! Alert Stacey, I'm sure she'll be thrilled.
And since I have not watched Lost, ever(Minus one episode on DVD) I will go into my corner and wait until the spoilers are out of the way.

Because the way I remember it, before Tom came to see him to tell him about the "project" the Others had for him, he was all about committing suicide and leaving his son behind.

But that is what I meant by "what he THOUGHT was right." I agreed that he made some dumbass moves, but as any dumbass with tell you: it always seems like a good idea at the time.

Plus, I agreed the race thing was ill-advised at best, but it seemed like folks were criticizing him for even daring to question what the writers did to his character. And he did regret his statement, didn't he? So why all the sore feelings?

I am not saying he needed a happy ending, or that the race-baiting was right. I am just saying that the reaction to it seems a bit harsh. What, people can't just say stupid shit anymore?

Oh Vermillion, I see your friends are turning on you, LOL. Now when I was trying to defend TP about the same shit that you're railing about, you tried to tell me in so many words, to shut the fuck up and stop complaining. So I said to myself one day he will come to understand what I've been trying to say, and now that day is here. Vermillion you were the best thing since sliced bread when you were speaking out against TP, but now that you're speaking up for Perrineau you offend them. Oh well.

" Except Perrineau didn't build his entire career off of stupid shit."

Exactly, and yet they still want to bust his balls because he made a comment about the direction of the story line. Actors make comments all the time about characters that they play, but HP's comments are somehow considered blasphemy.

Eh, I agree with him, ie, that the way they dealt with his character was dumb. I don't think it was racially motivated, though. But it's not like he can never be on the show again (well, before he said anything, that is), they show us dead people all the time, in flashbacks. As far as controversy over his statements, this is the first I've heard of them. So must not be too much controversy. I was also disappointed in the Eko ending. I liked him and really really wanted to see more of his character. I like Perrineau as an actor in other stuff too.

I guess if forced to reach a conclusion, I think Perrineau was making an assumption he probably shouldn't have about why his character appeared to die on the show (we don't know that he did for sure, maybe he'll turn up later but Walt thinks he's dead and that becomes some sort of major plotline/motivation, you know how this show is), was quite unwise to bring up the race thing, but people say shit like this all the time. Accusing people of doing things because of race, gender, sexual orientation, age, whatever.

Verm, all I can say is that I don't appreciate that his bitterness was coupled with the race card. Monaghan was disappointed to be written out, but he wasn't all "It's because they don't like Hobbits." It would have been far more gracious if he realized that he was an important part of a cultural phenomenon and accepted that the character's arc had come to a believable (insofar as we can call LOST believable) conclusion. Saying I'm sorry afterwards doesn't make it right. It just means your agent was hissing in your ear, "Jackass! You're going to end up like Isaiah Washington!"

Then what is the point of apologizing then? Since nobody is going to believe it? What else can he do? And even if they did tell him to back off so he didn't end up like Washington, isn't that a good thing? That means somebody is doing their job and making sure that the guy doesn't get his head completely wedged in his own ass.

Plus, why is it such a big deal to you guys, the audience? Did he accuse you of racism? Not that I can see. And yet it seems like it is being taken personally. Like he slapped your mother and kicked your childhood pet/first love/etc at the same time. And it isn't like he pulled a Caruso, and totally ditched the show because he thought he was hot shit or anything.

And, if we must bring Washington in this, I can have to point out that Washington was a real-life jackass who screwed himself multiple times, and never really apologized. If Harold had pulled the "rehab" card, then I would be pissed right along with you. But he simply said he should have thought about his words, and that he was more disappointed than bitter. Isn't that pretty much it, then? Or is it that he can't be disappointed AT ALL?

It just seemed like folks here were getting super-defensive and indignant for no apparent reason. He said something remarkably stupid, and then regretted it. That is all he can do. If that doesn't count for something, what does? I mean, you don't have to give the guy a parade, but at least calm down and let it go.

And still, all this "grateful" business is bugging me. I don't see where he expressed he wasn't grateful for being part of this show anywhere. And unless I am wrong, I do not believe it is required for him to agree with every decision made simply out of gratitude.

And still, all this "grateful" business is bugging me.

Those comments rubbed me the wrong way as well. I can accept HP making a mistake and apologizing. I still think it's not smart to burn bridges, and hopefully Perrineau is smart enough to have made a couple of phone calls to smooth things over.

Plus, why is it such a big deal to you guys, the audience? Did he accuse you of racism? Not that I can see. And yet it seems like it is being taken personally. Like he slapped your mother and kicked your childhood pet/first love/etc at the same time.

Whoa camel. I didn't know that was the test for discussion topics, in which case things are going to get awfully quiet around here. Someone said something stupid in the media and is getting ridiculed for it, just like every day.

Is Harold Perrineau's nonsense trivial on a micro level? Of course. Do lazy, empty-headed accusations of racism injure everyone in our society, especially people who actually experience real racism? Yes.

Making an accusation of racism is a big fucking deal -- when it's true, it's an important problem that needs to be jumped on and fixed. When it's not true, it's a hurtful, slanderous injury that needs to be jumped on and fixed.

It's not that he bitched and moaned about his character's fate, because who cares? And it's great that he apologized, but sometimes an apology is pretty weak coffee compared to the insult. If he were right about the racism angle, would an apology from the producers or writers be enough?

Until that last last sentence, I almost believed you were sincere. Now you're just being angry.

(and Palmer had run his course on "24", Haysbert still has "The Unit". Curtis would've been a better example: underused and ungracefully disposed of)

Angry? lol, really? Adere, why not just say Reality Check is just another angry black person? Who gives a fuck if what Reality Check says is true, lets just label him or her angry. That way we don't have to deal with the reality of which Reality Checks speaks of, kinda like Clinton saying the only reason she lost was because of sexism.