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By Steven Lloyd Wilson | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (27)



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When we last discussed rumors about adaptations of Neil Gaiman’s Sandman, the word was that Ron Howard would be directing a film version. The truth, it seems, is far more horrifying. THR learned from an exclusive unnamed source that Warner Brothers is attempting to buy the television rights for the series from DC and on the top of their list for running the project is Eric Kripke, best known for being the show runner and creator of Supernatural. Gaiman is not reported to be involved at all.

It’s always been baffling to me that comic book writers don’t actually own jack shit as far as their characters and stories go. I get on an intellectual level that the character of the Sandman is technically the property of DC and therefore anything Gaiman did with the character was still within their property … but the emotional reaction just doesn’t hold up. To me the idea that Neil Gaiman doesn’t get a say in the fate of Dream of the Endless is as absurd as Paul McCartney sending royalty checks to Michael Jackson’s estate when he sings anything he wrote during his twenties. I get the legal side, I just think it’s stupid.

And really, the guy who made Supernatural is the best they can come up with? When I joked that Miley Cyrus would play Dream in Howard’s version, I never imagined that would end up being a step up from whatever ends up making it onto our televisions. Of course unidentified exclusive sources have one advantage: they’re almost invariably wrong. Is it cynical that I think most such rumors are started by fanboys spoofing email headers? Not that I would do that, um even if I knew how.

Ok, bright side then. Is there a bright side? Well, I think television actually fits the story much better than a film ever did. The serial nature of the comics lend themselves perfectly to the serial nature of television episodes. Which of course will end up as irrelevant once they add a love interest (probably a spunky one) and add an antagonist for Dream to fight (probably with a sword or a holy water shotgun). Bottoms up.

(source: THR)









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Comments

NOOOOOOO!!! FUCK NO!! FUCK, FUCK, FUCK, COCKSUCKING MOTHERFUCKING GODDAMNIT!!! NO
I think I just hemoraged a little in my brain just now.

Posted by: pastor of muppets at September 7, 2010 10:13 AM

So will there be a crossover with Sam and Dean?

Posted by: logan at September 7, 2010 10:19 AM

They could get Castiel to play one of the angels left in control of Hell.

Posted by: Moobooby at September 7, 2010 10:29 AM

I'm pretty sure Gaiman DOES own the character, at least to some extent. From what I hear, DC has to get his permission to use Dream, but they don't need it to use Destiny, since that character existed before Sandman and Gaiman just integrated him into his mythology. So I think Gaiman must have given his permission for this and will probably be making some money out of it.

Not that this could ever be a good idea. The could never afford the special effects necessary to render all the different worlds and times the comic presents. That's beside the fact that there's no way they'll find a writer even half as good as Gaiman to manage the story.

Posted by: Todd at September 7, 2010 10:34 AM

One name comes to mind:

Terry Gilliam.

Nuff said.

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Posted by: jackiey at September 7, 2010 10:52 AM

sandman seems like it would be very expensive to produce as a tv series and still retain the expanse and look of the comic series.

Terry Gilliam is known for producing wondrous visuals on a budget and has a great loe for mythological storytelling, but he has proved such a disaster when it comes to complications as well as box office, I don't think anyone would ever hire him to produce a tv show.

who would be the target audience? we are talking about a comic from the 80's?

I suspect that even with some hypothetical dream team of people working on it that as wonderful as sandman was, it would not translate to big or small screen

Posted by: idleprimate at September 7, 2010 10:52 AM

who would be the target audience? we are talking about a comic from the 80's?

We're not talking about 'a comic from the 80's'. We're talking about an epic masterpiece that interweaves massive literary, historical and mythological themes together into an intensely complex and beautiful narrative. I'm a on-again, off-again fan of most of Gaiman's oeuvre, and Sandman is just fucking brilliant.

Who was the target for Deadwood or The Wire or Oz or Battlestar Galactica or Lost or any of the other complex, multi-character, multi-year series out there?

Posted by: twig at September 7, 2010 10:59 AM

Oh, fuck me. Yeah, the WB is absolutely who I'd trust with this.

/sarcasm.

Seriously though. If it has to be done (and I'd rather it was just... not), it's AMC/HBO or gtfo.

Also, did the Spambot just fall asleep?

Posted by: The Other Agent Johnson at September 7, 2010 11:00 AM

Spambot is sleepy?

Posted by: superasente at September 7, 2010 11:03 AM

Do spambots dream of digital black and white singles?

Posted by: jM at September 7, 2010 11:48 AM

Sandman does not belong to Gaiman. He didn't invent the character. O course, the golden age hero Dream is based on, one foolishly empowered to put baddies to sleep, is a completely original divergence. But I think we're right thinking that no one it obligated to include Neil in any movie or series. I think it's a terrible idea, not because the artwork was so amazing and unique, but because so much was left to your imagination. The ghost of the image was there, but Titania, the Cereal convention, Marco Polo, Hob Gadley, Delirium, Death, the Wyvern, Fiddler's Green, Cain--all are so personal in my head. I just don't see it. How can this be filmed? Not to mention the impossible task of finding a Oneiros that is neither sanctimonious or a whiny bitch when it comes to live-acting. Although I would be fine dropping Orpheus from the story as I doubt this show would ever make enough seasons to get to the hags and Lyta.

And sometimes the art and the writing are stunning. I am very skeptical about this show being played for the initiates, a move which almost exclusively ruins it for avid fans.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at September 7, 2010 11:50 AM

I wasn't trying to diminish gaimans work. its brilliant. i'm lucky enough to have the oversized absolute editions.

i just mean that execs buy these kind of things because they believe there is a built in audience. they dont care about the contents or signifigance.

they made smallville because of a seventy year continuous run of comic books as well as successful movie and tv franchises.

watchmen was a comicbook gamechanger from the same era and it lost money at the theatre, because the geek fanbase was small.

Posted by: idleprimate at September 7, 2010 12:15 PM

I just can't imagine how on Earth they plan to PG-13 this story without totally brutalizing it. Oh wait- they will just go ahead and brutalize it.

Will they only employ one team of animators? One layer of beauty in the Sandman series is the constantly changing artwork.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at September 7, 2010 12:49 PM

watchmen was a comicbook gamechanger from the same era and it lost money at the theatre, because the geek fanbase was small.

Sorry, I wasn't jumping on you in particular, just that... I think Sandman has a better chance than Watchmen of being a successful long series. Watchmen was somewhat doomed to fail because most audiences like good guy/bad guy narratives, not movies where the bad guy wins, the narrator character is deeply disturbed, and the 'good guy' has weird, emotionally complicated sex with the wife of a demigod.

You just can't make that palatable in two hours.

Of course, I don't trust the WB within a mile of this, either.

Posted by: twig at September 7, 2010 1:26 PM

Will they only employ one team of animators? One layer of beauty in the Sandman series is the constantly changing artwork.

Now I'm imagining it in the style of Waking Life or Waltzing with Bashir and that is a deliriously joyful thing.

Posted by: twig at September 7, 2010 1:30 PM

This is, of course, something that should not be made. It will butchered beyond belief to fit into a movie timeframe. None of the story arcs from the comics would constitute a movie in and of itself. Which means they will pick and choose and change to fit what they need.

This could be made into a multi season series on HBO or AMC and be quite good if they were faithful to the comics. I've never understood why Marvel/DC/any other comics company allow there stories and characters to be destroyed by movie writers. The comics companies already have years and years worth of stories that they could turn into movies without changing much. But the Hollywood writers end up throwing almost all of it out to create a much worse story.

Posted by: Porkchop Express at September 7, 2010 2:41 PM

No, this wouldn't work at all. I'm pretty sure I read that Gaiman has had offers about a Sandman film before but declined, which suggests that he does own the rights. I think he's picky about things like directors and involvement and things, which is why Stardust and Coraline turned out so well. Also, it could never be pg-13, how Gaiman goes from lighthearted fun to really, really dark without any warning is part of why Sandman's so great.

Posted by: Steph at September 7, 2010 3:29 PM

Bugger! Who told Hollywood about Sandman is what I want to know! If they ruin Death...well, I'll make sure I introduce them to her properly. Bastards.

Posted by: Joker at September 7, 2010 4:23 PM

Let's just hope it never gets off of the ground?

Posted by: Ruby at September 7, 2010 5:01 PM

Porkchop Express, I'm with you. A mini-series would perfectly fit Sandman, but I doubt TV executives would ever go for that. Hopefully, they'll forget about it and just make another crappy vampire show.

Posted by: Sarahcat at September 7, 2010 7:22 PM

Does anybody else have some images from the Sandman burned into their brain for the Well-THAT-messed-me-up reasons? Like the scene in the diner where the crazy guy started (literally) fucking with everybody?
That wouldn't work on TV.

Jackspellen was right, the power of these books lay in your imagination, and let's face it, the imagination is a terrifying, fucked-up place. I'm not sure any TV show team, no matter how talented they are, would be able to properly translate this series.

Posted by: ScienceGeek at September 7, 2010 9:17 PM

Does this mean that it could possibly air on the cw? If so, then this'll be horrible. It's way too dark of a series for any network channel. Plus, I've lost all respect for that channel once Veronica Mars was cancelled for another season of the pussycat dolls.

Posted by: Adrienne at September 7, 2010 9:24 PM

While most of the horror type thing happen in the early issues, there are a couple of things I remember from later on, Sciencegeek. Thessaly (or whatever she was calling herself at this point) from A Game of You cutting off the face of a neighbor, nailing it to a wall ( with nails through the eyeballs) and making it answer questions as a part of a ritual. The punishment of Richard Madoc, for raping Caliope, that leads him scratch his fingers down to the bone and write with his blood in an effort to write down the flood of ideas. Just two off the top of my head.

Posted by: Porkchop Express at September 7, 2010 10:14 PM

The whole 24 Hours chapter is one of the most harrowing things I've ever read. The serial killers convention is pretty nasty too but also funny at the same time.

Posted by: Steph at September 8, 2010 6:00 AM

I don't know, I'm sort of okay with Kripke.

I mean generally speaking, I'm horrified that it's even being made for TV (I'm fairly convinced it's unfilmable), and that if it IS going to go there I'm horrified that it's not going to get the decency of a cable/HBO release.

But as someone who watches Supernatural (shutup) you can really tell how much Kripke loves Neil Gaiman's work. Seriously, like everything the man has ever done. I mean he's admitted that American Gods and Sandman where two of the main influences in creating Supernatural, and it's fairly obvious that the later angels/demons/apocolypse mythology arc was a low-rent Good Omens riff.

If someone's going to make a god awful mess of this (and no matter who does it, that is exactly what it will be), you could do worse than a fellow genre nerd/fanboy who at least has a lot of love for the source material.

Or maybe I'm just getting used to Hollywood bastardizing everything I've ever loved...I just can't seem to muster up the proper level of righteous indignation anymore.

Posted by: RedRightAnkle at September 9, 2010 11:59 PM

Hey- Eric Kripke & supernatural are awesome!!

But no involvement of Gaiman- that, that is a travesty!!

Posted by: K at September 10, 2010 12:42 AM