Spoiler Alert! Revelation Of New "Game Of Thrones" Role Means We Are Definitely Going Off The Map

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Spoiler Alert! Revelation Of New "Game Of Thrones" Role Means We Are Definitely Going Off The Map

By Joanna Robinson | Trade News | September 10, 2013 | Comments ()


Game Of Thrones” showrunners Weiss and Benioff have been saying for awhile now that they intend to deviate more and more from George RR Martin’s books as the series goes on. And those of us who slogged through “A Feast For Crows” are very grateful. Book purists, on the other hand, might lose it. You never know with book purists.

The first indication we’ve gotten of how far off the map Weiss and Benioff intend to go came today with the reveal that Mark Gatiss (“Sherlock,” “Doctor Who”) will be playing Tycho Nestoris, a representative of the Iron Bank of Braavos. For those unfamiliar with the plot (but who choose to read spoilers anyway, who are you weirdos?) the Crown of King’s Landing has borrowed a lot of from from Iron Bank of Braavos and despite assurances that a Lannister always pays his debt, Nestoris is on the scene to make sure. The larger point, however, is that Tycho does not show up until book five, “A Dance With Dragons” and, in theory, we’re only supposed to be on the back half of book three.

Now, of course, we have already seen some book five plot with The Torture Of Theon Greyjoy and it’s possible that Weiss and Benioff are eliding a few Braavosi characters in order to give Gatiss more to play with and us fewer characters to keep track of. Either way it means more Gatiss for us. And that’s never a bad thing.


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  • Cody M.

    Still deviating in appearances, too, apparently. Tycho is supposed to be a beanpole, I guess I didn't think Gatiss was that tall. As long as he keeps the rope beard, I'll be fine, I'm sure.

  • Salad_Is_Murder

    Everything that I can recall that was changed from the books has been for the better; the purists can go sit on a little finger.

  • Maddy

    Everything? Even Dany 'I want my dragons' in Qarth? Talisa?

  • Salad_Is_Murder

    Yeah, well, I wasn't a big fan of the Qarth stuff in the books, and I thought the way it had been ultimately resolved in the show was much more interesting. Talisa was an improvement over the non-character that was Jayne Westerling in that Talisa actually had some development. The only problem I had with that replacement is that I felt if should have been introduced earlier, it felt a little rushed to resolution largely due to the overall pacing changes. Which again, not too terrible a thing since sometimes the books draaaaaaaaaaag.

  • Pat Sponaugle

    I think it's pretty cool that they're bringing in the banker this early, since they can give us some behind the scene details, like they did with Robert and Cersei, etc.

  • jja

    There are actually book purists for this series? Really? God......Yeah, so, Book 1: Great! Fresh, exciting new fantasy! Book 2: Wow, sexy sex and violence, that was fun. Book 3: Hmm, lots more sex and violence. More characters? Sort of a hyper-violent Scooby Doo ending? Hmm. Book 4: Good lord. They're just...walking around. And more characters? Seriously? Book 5: OH GOD MAKE IT STOP.

    Why would anyone be a purist about any of them but the first? I seriously need to stop buying these things when they come out, thinking, maybe this time it'll be good.

  • Maddy

    If you don't follow Angry GOT Fan on Twitter you are seriously missing out ... there are some pretty crazy people out there

  • Milly

    I'm ok with them going off-script. I'm sure someone will know the date and time, but has GRRM ever stated he would have liked to have done things differently and he may have wrote himself into a corner?

    The TV series would give the scope to have a parallel universe than the one in the books and actually give an uplift in sales/readers/viewers to the both of them.

  • Fredo

    It makes sense. Tyrion introduced the nugget of this idea last season (the scene with Bronn about lending). Given that the war (as depicted in the show) seems to be winding down, it would make sense for the Iron Bank to send representatives to the Iron Throne quickly to meet the new king face-to-face and make sure they're going to pay their debts.

    And anything that increases the intrigue in King's Landing is a good thing.

  • Maddy

    Do we think he's also going to go and see Stannis later as well if they're combining characters (I can never remember the names of the Iron Bank people but I'm pretty sure one went to see him right?) I really need to reread Feast and Dance ...

  • Maddy

    As long as he comes after Joffrey dies and we get to see Cersei being all power crazy and stupid and dismissing him. Once we get past Storm I really don't mind them messing around with plot details as much. I cannot wait to see Lena Headey go batshit crazy it is going to be glorious

  • Dizzybean

    Dude, that's kind of a huge spoiler you might want to remove the post

  • Sean

    Also, seriously, millions of people have read the books. Billions more have access to Wikipedia. Everyone knows the little bastard is going to die.

  • TenaciousJP

    Really? I mean, the entire post is titled "Spoiler Alert!", so it should be pretty safe to say that anyone reading the article and especially the comments have been forewarned.

  • Wigamer

    Yeah, but in the article they don't spoil any major plot points, just that a character's role is going to be expanded. That's why, when the show is on, they do TWO threads--one exclusively for the book-readers and one not...to avoid this kinda thing right here.

  • JoannaRobinson

    Yeah I have to say "spoiler alert" in the headline means "gloves off" in the comments. I'm with Maddy.

  • Wigamer

    Dammit, JRo! I feel all scolded and whatnot.

  • JoannaRobinson

    Scolded? No. I like you on that wall. We NEED you on that wall.

  • Maddy

    Ok sorry if I spoiled anyone ... kind of assumed anyone reading this article had read all the books or at least ASOS! Glad it's OK!

  • Pat Sponaugle

    I've got your back. JRob's posts are known to bring on the spoilers. So anyone coming here should know that they're coming here at their own risk.

    It is known.

  • Maddy

    Haha thanks! I would hate to think I spoiled anyone ... I see Joanna's posts and it all comes out ...

  • Wigamer

    Uhh, careful there.

  • Pants-are-a-must

    Mark Gatiss, a darling troll of a man I'd love to see in Game of Thrones. His writing partner, however, is just a troll I'd love to see pelted with tomatoes.

  • emmalita

    Which one?

  • Pants-are-a-must

    Not the one he's married to.

  • emmalita

    He has more than one writing partner.

  • Ian Fay

    A lot of the plotlines in books 3-5 run concurrently, so it's probably to be expected, especially if they don't want some of their bigger actors just disappearing for a season or two.

  • I think because Tycho has several ties to different factions/characters, we'll see him play a Littlefinger-esque role, first appearing in King's Landing, then jumping back to Braavos with a little Arya in tow, then back over the sea to Stannis. I also wouldn't be surprised if they somehow combined Iron Bank/Faceless Men.

    Also, I LOVED AFFC *as a book.* I don't get the hate surrounding it. It's well-written, just slower than ASOS. But show-wise, it'd be horrible. They will need to improvise.

  • MikeRoorda

    The hate around it stems from the fact that fans essentially feel that instead of continuing the story from ASOS Martin essentially backtracks, does a shitload more table setting and basically introduces a whole new cast of characters.

    I give no fucks about the Iron Isles or the goddamn goings on of the swollen stiff jointed nymphomaniacs in Dorne. You can't spend three books painting a picture with a hugely overpopulated cast of characters, and then in the fourth discard most of them for new stories and new characters and not expect a little bit of pushback.

    At this stage in the series I almost feel as though the tale is bordering on masturbatory. Martin is simply pushing pieces around his chessboard because he enjoys seeing them interact without regard to the overarching tale that he's attempting to tell.

  • VohaulsRevenge

    Ditto; I actively hated AFFC by the time I finished it.

    I'll repeat what I wrote on another board: Martin found ASOS to be an act that was too hard to follow.

  • PDamian

    Upvoted because I agree with you, but also because I love the phrase "swollen stiff jointed nymphomaniacs." Awesome.

  • emmalita

    That's a fantastic phrase. Worthy of many upvotes.

  • Lucluc

    If GRRM ignored the Iron Islands (who cares?), everything with Aegon (also don't care about and think his story is bullshit), reduced Dany and Jon's meandering storylines, and just did *anything* else with Tyrion I would have enjoyed ADWD a lot more.
    Dorne has potential since they are setting up for some things from the past with plans for the future (it's vague but I don't want to spoil anything)
    Aegon.... seven hells... I don't care about him whatsoever. Him or merry band of red shirts.

  • Maddy

    I also don't get all the hate for AFFC ... ADWD I was much less enthused by, I don't think the plot details really matter as much after Storm, as long as they hit all the general beats, they're going to have to combine Feast and Dance anyway. Maybe Tycho will get to use Littlefinger's TARDIS?

  • IngridToday

    I liked AFFC but I wasn't really into ADWD. I find Jon bland and Dany's entitlement, arrogance, ignorance/avoidance of her mistakes, her lack of real interest in Westoros beyond her father was king; make her a difficult read. She's the last person I want on the Iron Thrones. Since, she never bothered to take the time to really learn about her father's reign or keep up to date on current events, social problems, house feuds, or the current religious uprising; she'd be puppet ruler.

    Also her titled, oh god her titles....

  • Maddy

    Don't even get me started on Dany - Oh Barristan is going to tell me something important and interesting ... oh wait Daario's here! I think the whole point of ADWD was showing Jon and Dany making mistakes though, and in general teenagers being in charge of anything is a terrible idea ... I have hope that they will both learn though.

  • IngridToday

    Oh god, the part in ADWD when she whines about why people won't let her rule.... she showed up in their city threatening everyone after completely ruining a few cities.
    Towards the end of the book I thought maybe she's come around to realizing her short coming... until she wonders why ---- would betray her. I almost threw the book across the room. She just doesn't get that no one gives a shit about her or her family, they just want/fear her dragons.
    It be interesting if she eventually finds her way to Westoros, but, it's been ravaged by the Others (suggested by the dream sequence in the show). She has to fight to save the people and then dies.

  • freetickles

    I hope he doesn't go to Braavos with Arya and that they don't try to combine the Iron Bank and Faceless Men. They can make it clear that the Iron Bank and Faceless Men are from the same place without connecting it all like that. I'm hoping he'll start in KL and then find his way to Stannis.

  • fluff_fluff

    So he's playing the Mycroft Holmes of Essos, essentially, yeah?

  • BWeaves

    Thank you for introducing me to the word "eliding."

  • BendinIntheWind

    I don't remember anything about this character except for 1) he exists, and 2) he just follows kings around until he gets someone to actually listen to his demand for money, so bringing him in earlier doesn't really seem like it'll have much effect at all. As far as I'm concerned, he's the paperboy from "Better Off Dead". I WANT MY TWO DOLLARS!

  • fluff_fluff

    That's kind of the best part, though. He's like the only one in the universe who's 100% unbothered by ice zombies and religious hysteria.

  • koko temur

    Thats about it, yes. I do remember him artiving to the wall and then going to stannis where they starve off for god knows what reason.
    So maybe his importance is in that the stannis plot gonna move along.

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