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Damn. I'm all sick and I can't detect if there's sarcasm here. We don't like Spike Lee? And when did Ron Howard become Mind Blowing?

Brilliant artists are often egomaniacal idiots. Film at eleven.

um ... I would rather be in Spielberg's company as well. I wouldn't say in 10, 20, 50 years people are going to be talking about the impact Apatow had in cinema. It's more likely people will talk about him (if they remember him at all) as the benchmark of how lowbrow one can go and still make money.

I can understand where he's coming from in terms of cultural relevance. Spike Lee movies seem to have a message of some kind (even if it's tangential) or offer cultural criticism while Judd Apatow movies are about men who make a lot of dick jokes and refuse to grow up. I'm not saying one is inherently better than the other, I'm saying I can understand why he might be offended to be lumped in with Apatow.

Still kinda makes him sound like an asshole though.

CRRRIIIIPPPLLE FIIIGH... (oops, wrong thread)

RAAAAACE WAAAAAR!

Give it a rest Rowles, we get it, you don't like Spike. But to suggest that somehow all because Apatow made more money than Spike, Spike shouldn't be able to speak his mind. I'll tell you why Spike should be able to speak his mind, the powers that be will green light any old shitty movie by a white director so fast it will make your head spin, but when a black director wants to make a movie ( read all the shit Lee had to go through to make Malcolm X) he has to jump through hoops. Rowles why do you have so much hatred and venom when it comes to Perry and Lee? The next time you're trying to make a point Rowles, come with something better than Knocked up, K.

Faaan the flames you feel buuurning in you, young master Poookie. Feeel the pooower. Giiive in to the Daark Siiide. RAAAAACE WAAAAR! What say you, Rowles? Bwahahahahaa!

"the powers that be will green light any old shitty movie by a white director so fast it will make your head spin, but when a black director wants to make a movie ( read all the shit Lee had to go through to make Malcolm X) he has to jump through hoops."

have you seen "Little Man?"

I've met Mr. Lee and he's exactly as one would expect a creative brooding type to be - quiet, kind of sullen, and in his own thoughts. Period. I don't blame him for not wanting to be classed with the likes of Apatow. Moreover, Apatow has had enormous commercial success, but, unlike Lee, has contributed very little to cinematic history. "Do the Right Thing", "Jungle Fever", etc. have a style specific to Lee and address class and race in, for the most part, nuanced ways. No, they weren't that commercially successfully, but what "black" films (you know, any film involving black people) are?

phquaryn, when has losing one's home become funny?

NPR? Oh I get it you're one of those tree huggers, a card caring member of greenpeace. You probably spent your entire life bunny hoping and fox trotting, while I was on the front lines fighting for mankind. And now come home here where men are discussing serious issues and infect us with your diseased bile looking for a funny. Please spare us your thoughts.

This incident proves my theory that Spike Lee is the black Barbra Streisand.

Not to start a whole other tangent of fights but although I enjoy his films, as a white woman engaged to a black man I became personally turned off by Spike Lee when he went on record as saying he was against interracial marriages. Yeah, yeah it shouldn't matter what a total stranger thinks but of someone with his talent and intelligence I expected more.

Leanne, honey, I'm sure there are people on your side of the family that aren't exactly thrilled with your Jungle Fever.

Samantha T, I agree with you so often I usually don't bother posting myself, but in this case I have to respectfully disagree. I find "Do The Right Thing" and "Jungle Fever" to be almost the polar opposite of nuanced. "Do the Right Thing" was interesting because all the characters are flawed, but some of the conversations are so stilted they make me wince. "Jungle Fever," on the other hand, with its all-white-people-bad-swearing-batterers-except-this-one-dark-italian-girl and all-black-people-sweet-and-good, felt to me like a teenager wrote it.

i can't agree with this one. have you seen bamboozled? have you studied do the right thing? when it comes to black american film, spike lee is an innovator. i think i smell some racism here...

@ MadMonk
What. The. Fuck? Nothing unique? What movie before it was anything like it?
@ Pookie
Like my man Chuck D said "Fight the Power"

Dude, calm down. Yeah he's being egotistical, but he's also being sarcastic about it. Secondly, it's god damn reasonable he wouldn't know who Judd Apatow is. Judd Apatow makes corny movies for corny white people. Lee does deserve to be among the ranks of Spielberg, but higher. Spike Lee actually makes good movies.

And that whole comment about how his movies make less money is quite disgusting. This site is really proving itself to equate box office with good.

RD your assessment on Spike Lee was spot on.

I have never been a Spike Lee fan or any of his Spike Lee Joint films. They always come across as amatuerish and condesnding -- just like him. Spike Lee seems to forget that if it wasn't for the "White Man" Hollywood establishment he would not have a career. They "green lighted" his first film(s) (i.e. Do The Right Thing & School Daze). But since Spike has a Napoleon Complex, both figuratively and literally, he will bite that hand that fed him.

He's a legend in his own mind. Unfortunately the film/media industry have given him free reign and appointed Spike the foremost authority on inner-city race matters. Message to Spike, get over yourself. You're a second-rate hack and a mediocre director/producer of inconsiquential dramas and movies. I think the time has come for the movie-going public to extinguish Spike and his SL Joint(s).... we deserve better.

Excuse me Brooklyn Gal, but men are talking here. Shouldn't you be somewhere making your husband or boyfriend or lesbian lover miserable? All of black America thanks the "White Man" for all he has done for us and to us.

BSlim I like your style, I would be proud to have you accompany me as I go collect money from my stable, you can be my collector.

Dude's insulting Apapoe, Pajiba rage ensues. Go figure, after all the fucking Apapoe hype i had to endure here. And what's this supposed to mean "How about a guy who has made more money on the last two films he directed (Knocked Up and The 40-Year-Old Virgin) than Spike Lee probably has with his entire directorial output."???! The fuck? How much money did Werner herzog made, compared to, oh let's say Michael bay? Since when does the amount of profit a movie makes in hollywood amounts to its quality? You really want to compare the 25th Hour to a 40 year old virgin? This is especially disappointing, coming from Pajiba.

i find the low blows of sexism quite sad Pookie. immature and unintelligent..and not needed or welcome on pajiba.

Apatow is a talentless clown; his movies are for potsmokers and idiot fratboys. Spike Lee has more directorial ability in his pinky finger than Apatow has in his entire body.