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Spider-man Says Everybody Gets One

By Brian Prisco | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (37)



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In a recent interview, Matthew Vaughn bemoans the oversaturation of superhero films, claiming that it it’s due to come to an end in the next few years because they’re just going to the inkwell a little too frequently:

“[Superhero movies have] been mined to death and in some cases the quality control is not what it’s supposed to be. People are just going to get bored of it. I’ve always wanted to do a big-budget superhero film and I think we’ve kind of crossed the Rubicon with superhero films. I think [the opportunity to do one], it’s only going to be there two or three more times. Then, the genre is going to be dead for a while because the audience has just been pummeled too much. It is a crowded room. It’s too crowded.”

Vaughn’s in a prime position to make such a bold statement, considering he’s made exactly one fucking comic book film, Kick-Ass, where he took the source material and crushed into a soulless MTV version of the scintillating comic book. Of course, he’s currently in the middle of directing X-Men: First Class, which should definitely give you hope as to the quality of that project. I could save the X-Men, but fuck it, why bother, everyone else is doing it so why can’t we soundtrack by The Cranberries.

I’m a little overwhelmed by the sheer volume of comic book properties getting showered on the market like a massive Shih Tzu marking a fire hydrant. That doesn’t even count the ever swelling Avengers — which still has something like fifteen bajillion fucking films due to come out before the actual Avengers happens. But there are plenty of comic book films made that people don’t realize are actual comic book films: Scott Pilgrim, R.E.D., The Losers, and so forth. There’s plenty of fantastic projects due out, and soon. Scott Pilgrim is gonna be the second coming if everyone who’s seen it is to be believed. Super isn’t a comic book story, but it’s a super hero vigilante flick from James Gunn, starring Rainn Wilson and Ellen Page, and it looks to be fucking spectacular. Also, let us not forget “The Walking Dead” which is going to kick your ass out your awesomehole.

Superhero films don’t necessarily have to be subject to just an origins story, where he’s created, whomps a baddy, and saves the girl. If people are willing to take chances on the genre, break the norm, go wild, take things in interesting directions, then superhero movies can be good. The Dark Knight proved that. The Twitteratti were trying to push for Donald Glover to play Spider-man in the update, which would have taken the franchise to places none could believe.

Vaughn himself has a prime opportunity to do some genre-bending schtick with X-Men: First Class. He could really take some chances and go crazy, but if he’s already bemoaning the state of superheroes, you can imagine how much passion he’s got for this project. Still, he can’t do worse than Ratner. Just because everyone else is cranking out crap doesn’t mean you should give up the fucking effort. It just means you need to make yours that much fucking better.

(Source: LA Times)









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Comments

Comic books = medium not message. You said it yourself with that list - Scott Pilgrim, R.E.D, Walking Dead. What do these have in common, besides interesting stories?

Comic book movies will die for the same reason every other genere of movie goes down, shitty scripts produced quickly to grab for a moment of interest that would be a lot more than a moment if they weren't so hell-bent on cashing in on it to kill it with mediocrity.

Golden goose sandwich is not very tasty.

Posted by: twig at August 9, 2010 11:38 AM

" Kick-Ass, where he took the source material and crushed into a soulless MTV version of the scintillating comic book."


On most occasions I agree with you, but this ain't one of 'em. Kick Ass was much better than that.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 9, 2010 11:39 AM

Vaughn=hypocrite

Posted by: caro at August 9, 2010 11:47 AM

Have to agree with BarbadoSlim. "Soulless" is the adjective I would use to describe most of Mark Millar's work, not the three films Matthew Vaughn has made. Plus, Vaughn has already come out saying they're going to have to scrap/re-think some of their script for X-Men: First Class, because they don't want it to be derivative of Inception. If that's not at least a glimmer of hope that he's taking this seriously, I'm not sure what is.

Posted by: RobP at August 9, 2010 11:49 AM

"I could save the X-Men, but fuck it, why bother, everyone else is doing it so why can’t we soundtrack by The Cranberries. "

Hubba wha? Needs explainin (sorry!).

I think if you fine-tune the idea of over-saturation there is some merit here. While Prisco's examples (in paragraph 4) highlight many of the projects that are sort of under-the-radar as "comic book" projects, I fear we can run into the danger of too many big budget caped crusader titles.

Green Lantern only looks like the start of it to me. Personally I think the movie is going to suck balls, but after that you can see studios digging for other material.

What does DC have left in the tank? Another mis-guided Superman movie? Wonder Woman? The Flash (which could be cool but I'm sure it would get butchered) ?

And as for Marvel, do they start reaching out and re-booting Daredevil? Do they give Hawkeye a full movie? For both Iron Man movies, we got two Punisher titles. For X-Men 1 & 2, we got X-Men 3 and "The Movie That Shalt Not Be Named". First Class? A Magneto: Origins flick? Unnecessary.

Oh God, what happens when Nolan finishes his Batman run? I'm scared for Bruce...

Posted by: D-Day at August 9, 2010 12:04 PM

Don't be silly. The only reason any normal producer makes a superhero flick is for the money. That means giving the audience what they expect, in exactly the doses they expect it in. Get the weekend crowd in, give 'em a bang, and send them out to be contented little Deltas for another week.

Any country that can keep making the "Happy Meal" deserves the schlock they get.

Posted by: Neodiogenes at August 9, 2010 12:13 PM

I kinda get Vaughn's point. Since Blade in 1998, we've gotten tons of superhero movies. They're the new go-to action properties because they've got built-in fan bases. But I also agree with what Devin Faraci said over at CHUD: namely that all we've gotten is shit-ton of origin stories followed by movies of limited scope.

Where is the Fantastic Four movie where they take on the Skrulls? Where is the Superman movie where he's facing Darkseid and the army of Apokolips? Do we really need to see another Superman movie where he's trying to solve whatever lame plan Lex Luthor has schemed?

They keep costs down and keep repeating the same small stories and they are going to end up ruining their genre.

Posted by: Fredo at August 9, 2010 12:15 PM

For me, I knew the apocalypse was beginning when I heard "Re-boot of the Spiderman franchise". When you're calling a do-over of a series where the latest movie is only three years old. You look like a money grubbing fuck.

That being said I'm sure there will be some decent films that come out of this cluster of sweaty super parts. But those ones will have to fight tooth and nail to maintain credibility and tell a good story. (see: Nolan, Christopher)

Posted by: admin at August 9, 2010 12:17 PM

Kick-Ass, where he took the source material and crushed into a soulless MTV version of the scintillating comic book

Are you the guy that was in the comic book store the other day complaining about every goddamn book that's gained the least bit of popularity, hated the Kick-Ass movie, and read and hated Scott Pilgrim because it's "just a whiny hipster complaining about everything and then all of a sudden they're kung-fu fighting"? Was that you? I thought I left you for dead behind the dumpster.

Posted by: henchman for hire at August 9, 2010 12:24 PM

The problem isn't genre -- Westerns and musicals were dominant for 20 years. The problem is shitty movies. Make a good superhero movie and people will continue watching superhero movies.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at August 9, 2010 12:36 PM

...all we've gotten is shit-ton of origin stories followed by movies of limited scope.

Where is the Fantastic Four movie where they take on the Skrulls? Where is the Superman movie where he's facing Darkseid and the army of Apokolips? Do we really need to see another Superman movie where he's trying to solve whatever lame plan Lex Luthor has schemed?

This is it, right here. With movies like Superman they're too afraid to break out of the familiar mold they've cast themselves in, and to branch out into new, different characters. It's not as if the technology isn't there to make a Darkseid centered Superman story. Or Parasite, Mettallo or Bizzaro. But Lex Luthor is safer; he's more familiar and thus a better bet. Even though EVERYONE EVERYWHERE is sick to death of him.

And when these producers DO decide to branch out and introduce new threats, they end up trying to throw the focus onto a new marketable character like Silver Surfer. They drop the artistic vision that makes the first installment of these movies so enjoyable and go for the big bottom line instead. It's frustrating.

Like any other genre, people just want to see a fun story. They want their vouyerism indulged.

Posted by: superasente at August 9, 2010 12:44 PM

Ridiculous. The only commonality to "comic book heros" is a form of presentation, as twig points out. And the endearing value of comics with their differing presentation is manifold: they are unconstrained by the conventions of classical storytelling. They are often visually expressive in unusual ways. Their often short duration accentuates (in the best of them) dramatic moments and story progression over simple exhaustive dialog.

I could go on. If Vaughn wants to say the classical super powered hero is being overused, ok fine. But comics have as wide and diverse expression as any written medium today; it's not just people in tights with magic powers.

-Frob

Posted by: frobme at August 9, 2010 12:47 PM

Tracer Bullet hit it perfectly. You make it seem that every comic book movie that is to be made will be shitty, that the common denominator here is the comic book. Truth be told there is no difference between comic books and conventional books. There have been plenty of fantastic books out there that were well-loved and received, but when converted to film were duds (Bonfire of the Vanities, anyone?). The problem is the script, the director, and the finish. Don't blame the comic for a production company choosing the wrong person to helm the project, or the wrong person to write it.

Lets look at a well-known and enjoyed book, Starship Troopers. It was made into a so-bad-its-good movie with a bunch of pretty faces with almost no resemblance to the source. Yet it was a helluva lot of fun. They embraced the campiness as their concept, and it worked.

Now look at a well-known and enjoyed comic book, Fantastic Four. It was made into a really bad movie. It embraced the campiness of the source, and it was a turd. The difference between them was the choices made long before filming began.

I leave you with Tim Burton's Batman. It was dark, and colorful, and campy, and ridiculous, and over-the-top. And if it was on TV right now I'd be watching it, and so would many of you. But attempts to emulate it were unsuccessful. Sometimes its a narrow thing between masterpiece and mess, and that goes for any movie, not just those based upon other sources.

Posted by: EJ at August 9, 2010 2:09 PM

Vaughn is all ego when it comes to...well, Vaughn. He couldn't handle the satire that was 'Kick-Ass.' Millar's comic-book gave us the brilliant revelation that Big Daddy was a fraud, a simple accountant 'fan-boy' who financed his super-hero efforts by selling off his rare comic book connection. Vaughn's film gave us...Kick-Ass with a Jet Pack. That and a final act that was overly sentimental, cliche' and redundant - nothing like Millar's book. What was shocking and fun on the page became the same old thing on the screen under Vaughn's direction. The reality is that the 'Superhero' film has finally become a mature, complex and vital genre. 'The Dark Knight" was the most critically acclaimed film of 2008. Its nominations for the PGA, DGA and WGA awards, along with Heath Ledger's Oscar win, finally had Hollywood itself admitting films based on 'costumed heroes' could be intelligent and insightful social commentary. The commercial and artistic success of 'Iron Man' and 'Watchman' reinforced the unlimited potential of the genre and the fact that comic book movies don't have to follow conventional formulas - like Vaughn did with 'Kick-Ass.' Watch the film's 'Ass-Kicking BonusView Mode' on Blu-Ray and listen to Vaughn pat himself on the back for intelligently making endless conventional decisions in the writing and directing of the film. You come away realizing Vaughn's 'X-Men: First Class' is probably going to have the same formula and feel as the previous 4 'X-Men' films. Any director going into a project feeling the subject matter is "going to be dead for a while because the audience has just been pummeled too much” needs pass on the project and put it in the hands of a director whose attitude is, "You ain't seen nothin' yet!" Thank God for Joss Whedon and Christopher Nolan.

Posted by: Pookiefreak at August 9, 2010 4:14 PM

considering he’s made exactly one fucking comic book film, Kick-Ass

Actually Vaughn has made two comic book films. He directed (in my opinion underrated) Stardust, which was based on a graphic novel by Neil Gaiman.

Posted by: thepants at August 9, 2010 5:59 PM

the difference in an adapted book and an adapted comic? the comic already has the visuals there, so the backlash seems to be greater. pandering origins aside, i'm excited for the crops being cultivated.

Posted by: gp at August 9, 2010 6:40 PM

Kick Ass was excellent - everything Vaughan's done has been excellent.

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Posted by: ashly at August 9, 2010 9:02 PM

Dear thepants,
You are correct. Stardust is awesome. It gets better with each viewing. It's got a wicked sense of humor without being too cold.

Also, Mark Millar couldn't write anything with any soul in it unless he made the comic book adaptation of Soul Brothers. He creates intellectual properties not with the hope of using the medium of comics as a story telling form, but as a springboard for feature films.
Wanted was sold to studios after a couple of issues, Kick-Ass before it even came out, and now Nemesis is supposed to be directed by tony scott. He's not interested in telling stories, he's looking to buy a larger Scottish Manor.

The only thing that gave Kick-Ass (the film) any depth was Matthew Vaughn.

Posted by: adam at August 9, 2010 9:51 PM

I finally saw Kick-Ass last night on Blu-ray. It had some great elements but didn't follow up on them. After hearing Matthew Vaughn and his producer talk up the "realism" of the film in interview after interview, all I can say is: fuck you, dudes. Fuck you hard.

Posted by: Uriah Creep at August 9, 2010 10:21 PM

The only genre that I consider dead is the western and even that isn't totally dead.

How many rom-coms has Hollywood trotted out and still they keep making them and as soon as the next generation of Meg Ryans, Julia Roberts', Michelle Pfieffers, Jennifer Anistons, Sandra Bullocks, and Nia Vardalos' ripen I'm sure we'll see another couple thousand of them.

Posted by: John W at August 10, 2010 2:59 AM

It seems to me that comic book movies aren't even made for people who actually like the comics. It's made for the masses, who for whatever reason probably have never even read the comic books. I think any director (even some we considered to be incredibly skilled) would have great difficulty faithfully adapting the rich and expanding universe of comic books. Many of them have been running issues for decades, I just don't think it's possible to translate that many characters, events, etc. into a movie. Or even several movies, because even if they pumped out the next one right away that's still a year between films at a minimum. I just think trying to adapt comics to the screen would be better suited to a running television show, where you have more time to address the changes over time in whatever comic's universe. Otherwise you would have endless sequels, which inevitably will be handed off to a new director, the style will change, etc. I just think it's kind of a no win situation for actual comic books fans, who want to see faithful (or at least inventive and fresh) adaptations of their favorite books. Of course, it makes studios lots of money, and that's all they really care about.

Posted by: ninetwenteetoo at August 10, 2010 9:51 AM

This is the man who made Stardust and Layer Cake, so he cannot be all bad.

And I fucking hate superhero movies. All of them. Okay maybe the first Iron Man was good but that's it.

Clearly I'm in the minority here...

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Posted by: Hank from installing shingles at August 16, 2010 6:04 PM

I agere with what alot of the above commenters have stated. make GOOD movies. The issue is, as again, others have said. Hollywood's taking some property (xmen, spiderman, jonah hex, whatever) having some piss ant writer skim quickly through the source material and then throwing together a 'blockbuster' movie.

xmen 1 and 2 were pretty good (well ok 2 was much better than 1) but the 3rd killed it. and i'm done with the xmen movies, didn't see wolverine, wont see first class etc.

good superhero movies exsist but it's sad and frustrating to comic fans (and/or fans of the superheroes themselves) that it's 1 in 10 that ARE good movies that have paid attention to the source material.

Hulk (with ed. norton NOT ang lee's godawful version) was easily on par with iron man 1 in how good it was.

spiderman 2 stands up as one of the best mainstream comic-movies so far.

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