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An Articulation Of The Idiocy of "SyFy"

By Steven Lloyd Wilson | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (36)



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There’s an old argument amongst particular geeks about the difference between “Sci-Fi” and “Science Fiction.” The sides of the argument can be summarized as such:

  1. “Sci-Fi” is not the same as “Science Fiction,” the former is idiotic and unintelligent, the latter intelligent and thoughtful.
  2. “Sci-Fi” is not the same as “Science Fiction,” the former is mindless entertainment, the latter more literary, but there’s nothing wrong with either.
  3. [shrug] … what’s the difference, ya’ll should lighten up.

The point that the first side is trying to make is not (in their eyes) pedantic. They genuinely see even referring to great works of science fiction as “sci-fi” as insulting, that the shortening of the phrase is just more PR, ad agency simplification. It’s not just an abbreviation in the context of their argument. Eliminate “science” and “fiction” and you get unintelligible space fantasy with no grounding in the logic of science, and junk like “Ghost Hunters” peddled under the same generic label as true works of art. Science fiction is about exploring the human condition in situations outside of our current world, sci-fi is about explosions, aliens and robots. Yes, it’s arguing over a couple of words, but words are all literature is. To a degree, a couple of words are exactly the sort of thing writers should be fighting over.

So to celebrate the further disintegration of the intelligence of popular culture marked by the introduction of the “SyFy Channel,” we’ve got a panel from 1997 in which Harlan Ellison goes to town on the difference between “Sci-Fi” and “Science Fiction.” If you’re unfamiliar with Harlan Ellison, well, rectify that, he’s one of the greats. He’s also an atomic asshole, mercilessly and viciously wielding words like a laser guided chain saw. If he wrote movie reviews for us, there would probably be mass suicides of directors. His wikipedia entry has a section on “Controversies” as long as his section on “Bibliography,” and he’s been publishing for fifty years.









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Comments

I took a science fiction class in uni and the first thing the prof did was lay down the ground rules that divided the likes of scifi and SF.

"Eliminate “science” and “fiction” and you get unintelligible space fantasy with no grounding in the logic of science,"

The second thing we learned is that the only difference between science fiction and fantasy is that one uses technology in place of magic.

In fact, I just googled the prof.s main theory entitled the "7 beauties of SF," and apparently he has a new book on it.

His name is Ivan Ciscery-Ronay. Check him out. The premise of this thread is his book.

http://www.amazon.com/Seven-Beauties-Science-Fiction/dp/0819568899

Posted by: Some Guy at August 24, 2009 7:40 PM

misspelled that last part of his name. It's Csicsery. If you are a student at DePauw university or are planning on being one, take his classes.

Posted by: Some Guy at August 24, 2009 7:43 PM

Spic-Fic!?

Bwahahahaha! I want his seed!

Posted by: admin at August 24, 2009 7:44 PM

Eh, I was skeptical before I watched the video. Ellison's got a point, but I think he's taking the term too seriously. I don't think most people use "sci fi" intending to belittle or minimize science fiction. I just think people are lazy and love to use shorthand or slang terms.

Yeah, there's stupid sci fi, which makes it not unlike the stupid shit that's part of everything else.

"SyFy" is still fucking stupid.

Posted by: Slash at August 24, 2009 7:47 PM

Harlan Ellison is a god, he gets to the point of what the genre is supposed to be about.

Science Fiction as a study of the human condition

"the effects of technology on human beings"

PRECISELY what I've been saying about that piece of festering excrement they tried to pass off of as "star trek" a couple of months back.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 24, 2009 7:47 PM

"I don't think most people use "sci fi" intending to belittle or minimize science fiction. I just think people are lazy and love to use shorthand or slang terms...."

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Eh, NO, and that's exactly his point. But you are right, people are lazy, they also know fuck all about what true Science Fiction is.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 24, 2009 7:52 PM

I think this is one of those things that will never matter to the laymen, only to the Science Fiction buffs. As certain technology terms may grate the geeks' nerves, some words irk the linguist, etc.

I can appreciate the differences between terms, but I'm not in a position to get my panties bunched.

That said, the name change of the channel is idiotic.

Posted by: Cindy at August 24, 2009 8:15 PM

I learned something today. I learned that I have been incorrectly remembering Ralph Ellison's name since my childhood, because when I saw this, I thought, "Science fiction? Why is the guy who wrote Invisible Man involved in a sci-fi debate?"

Posted by: S5aB8rina at August 24, 2009 8:25 PM

Speaking of sci-fi, or indeed science fiction, the Inception trailer is up (Trailerspy has it in HD).

I have hated Syfy since they cancelled the 4400, it was like heroes...but not utter shit.

Posted by: Katie at August 24, 2009 8:30 PM

Ah, wasted youth. I discovered Harlan Ellison about the same time as I discovered Frank Zappa & Lenny Bruce, while reading both Mother Jones and US News and World Report at the same time, about the same issues. Who needs acid when you have the real-ish world, and powerful artists' insights into same? Obviously, my little gray cells never recovered.

Do the picky little words matter? Oh, I don't know. Take two readings of Orwell's Politics and the English Language and call me in the morning. That is, if the Department of Spying on Americans (with apologies to our pan-national "associates") will let you. Reads a bit different when you name it what it is, no?

Yes, words matter. The Borg (that's Micro$oft to you) call their desktop-abomination "Windows." With as much spent on marketing as on development, the great unwashed now don't know that a *windowing system for using your computer* is different from a particular branded product. So, the fact that you can't escape the still-happening BSOD, ergonomically criminal UI and interaction guidelines, and relentless march to consume more MIPs on eye-candy so You Must Upgrade, thus paying for another license, well, you did it to yourselves by letting them hijack the language. "Civil Servant" comes to mean "Civil Master", BuPeace conducts war, and that's a slope we started on ourselves with a "department of defense" geared up for invasions and occupations.

Meanwhile, I'm surprised we haven't reviewed "A Boy and His Dog" here yet - on of Mr. Ellison's more infamous pieces. That would make an interesting random list - controversial, off-putting, polarizing movies that bestir people to fetch the pitchforks and torches. That one would piss off a mighty horde hereabouts, no doubt - Can You Dig It?

No plot spoilers, but when the Women's Caucus at a particular Eastern university objected a tad to the showing of that particular movie, Mr. Ellison flew himself out at his own expense to participate in a panel discussion of the work. There are as many similar "Harlan Stories" about Ellison as there are stories by him. And BTW, my one EE win - deliberately channeling HE, with a side of Lenny Bruce (who reads a lot like HE, actually), dash of Dennis Miller before he became a complete troll, and a liberal topping of movie & TV shout-outs.

You want the inventory of highlights or must read's, let me know, and I'll fill you in. (Aside from "all.") Gotta be some place I can contribute anonymously under my nom-de-cephalopod as keeping the mundanes ignorant of the changeling in their midst keeps me employed(-ish.)

On this one I have Mr. Slim's back, my pretties. (Hope he can tolerate us agreeing.) Not that he needs our help, but nobody messes with the Harlan when I'm around.

And "SyFy?" Just another sign of the (zombie) apocalypse.

Zappa / Ellison '12

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at August 24, 2009 9:00 PM

The Sy-Fy Network? Really? Was that one extra letter really too much work? Do you even wipe your ass after you use the bathroom, or is it just too much extra effort for you?

Posted by: George at August 24, 2009 9:06 PM

I have hated Syfy since they cancelled the 4400...

Um...Katie, not to embarrass you, but The 4400 was on the USA Network. (I miss it too.)

I, personally, have hated the SciFi Channel ever since they cancelled Farscape in preference to crappy crappy crapperific Stargate.

Also, Harlan Ellison is one of my favorite people in the whole world and if I ever found myself in his presence I would immediately kneel and fellate him in front of God and everybody, in spite of the fact that he is now old and wrinkly, and in fact was never terribly physically attractive to begin with, because of his talent and his vicious and beautiful mind.

Posted by: Jerce at August 24, 2009 9:12 PM

Thanks Jerce, I live in England so I tend to get American channels mixed up.

Either way SyFy just looks ridiculous.

Posted by: Katie at August 24, 2009 9:40 PM

I don't know if anyone has posted this already and it's not particularly relevant to the science fiction vs sci-fi discussion, but I spoke with someone that worked for the network when I was at comicon and the reason they changed it was because it was legally impossible to trademark or copyright (whichever, or both, I don't know the difference) the SciFi branding, so they changed it to SyFy and rolled out the rebranding process.

Posted by: Devin at August 24, 2009 9:51 PM

"Romantic comedies" are thoughtful and intelligent movies about the nature of love, that most primal and necessary of human emotions. To watch - nay, to EXPERIENCE - a Romantic Comedy is to better understand human being and their place within the universe. To better understand your own emotions through the use of subtlety, metaphor, and goofy dudes falling into fruit stands.

"Rom-Coms" are bawdy entertainments, where Katherine Heigl or whoever makes bedroom eyes at Josh Duhamel or whoever.

It's not just an abbreviation in our eyes! If you don't understand the distinction, then YOU JUST DON'T GET IT.

Posted by: Daniel Hall at August 24, 2009 10:05 PM

While I make no apologies for having enjoyed the Star Trek movie, I must concede that you have a point Bslim. The Star Trek movie was much more a Sci-Fi spectacle than a Science Fiction film. That being said, there were many episodes of the various Star Trek series that are just as guilty on that count.

I would also say that the movie did contain at least a kernel of actual Science Fiction content, posing the question "What determines a person's destiny: Circumstance, or their own core personality?" Even so, that was rather overshadowed by the Sci-Fi elements.

On the larger question of Sci-Fi vs. Science Fiction, I don't think that the existence of both is actually a bad thing, the real issue is people confusing the two (or more specifically, people confusing Sci-Fi for Science Fiction). Sci-Fi is escapist entertainment, and can sometimes act as a "gateway drug", leading people to take an interest in the more serious fare that is Science Fiction.

There is a place for both in the world, though I do wish that Sci-Fi and Science Fiction were better delineated than they are now in the public consciousness.

Posted by: CptCrckpot at August 24, 2009 11:40 PM

skiffy, skiffy, skiffy. Wishing that vicious little bastard Harlan could eviscerate them all. Oh well, think I'll walk outside in a little while to watch the launch, if the damn weather would cooperate.

Posted by: coastalsteve at August 24, 2009 11:51 PM

On of my mom's classic stories (of questionable veracity) is that when she was a teenager enjoying the convention scene, she happened to ride in an elevator with Harlan Ellison. She had very long hair at the time (calf length), and her hair somehow became entangled in his fly, and the doors opened just in time for a lobby full of people to see a hot young teenager messing with his fly.

Anyone at all familiar with Mr. Ellison can guess how well that went.

Posted by: Tyburn Blossom at August 25, 2009 12:20 AM

1.“Sci-Fi” is not the same as “Science Fiction,” the former is idiotic and unintelligent, the latter intelligent and thoughtful.
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Hmmm, maybe this works for other shorthanded things too ...

"LiLo" is not the same as "Lindsey Lohan." The former is idiotic and unintelligent, the latter intelligent and thoughtful.

Huh? Huh? Well ... almost. Maybe.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at August 25, 2009 12:21 AM

Sy-Fy shows wrestling. Factor that into your intellectual debates.

Posted by: laredo at August 25, 2009 1:06 AM

Bucdaddy, don't hate on Natpo and MiKunis.

Posted by: laredo at August 25, 2009 1:19 AM

It's y'all not ya'll.

Posted by: Jo at August 25, 2009 1:44 AM

Devin, you're saying they further belittled a meaningful concept in order to secure a revenue stream?!?

*weeps. Yea, weeps. For the children. For...for all of us.*

Posted by: replica at August 25, 2009 2:26 AM

I got tired of listening to the crazy old coot rambling, but the jist seemed to be "'Sci-fi' is an abbreviation designed to rob our fine genre of credibility, so let's just shove all the bad crap from our genre under the 'sci-fi' label and insist that all the good stuff be referred to as 'science fiction', which will no doubt bolster our credibility in the eyes of the masses!". Which...no. If the issue is that you're diminishing "science fiction" as a genre by including the crappier, less thoughtful pieces in it, well, the vast, vast majority of people are going to associate the two anyway. Only a tiny group of science fiction afficionados are ever going to care about the distinction (hell, I'm nerdy as all bejesus and I'd never heard about this debate before), and all you're doing by kicking up a fuss about what label gets put on each part of it is ensuring that people see the sci-fi/science-fiction community as a bunch of insular, overly pedantic crazies.

Posted by: Shay at August 25, 2009 6:48 AM

Bierce Ambrose aka That Pompous Asshole Extaordinaire.

You are a complete tool.


Yours in Christ,

Mom & Dad

Posted by: fitzwilly at August 25, 2009 8:43 AM

This argument strays far too close to a political correctness debate I sometimes have. People aren't vertically challenged, they're short. It's not a offensive maneuver, it's an attack. Words can be made to soften meaning and spare feelings and there is a place for that, but today words are just as often used to confuse and hide meaning. But isn't the goal to use the right words to express your meaning as clearly and effectively as possible?

Sci-Fi or Science Fiction? Why does this genre get to separate its wheat from its chaff? With drama, westerns, tragedy, etc. it all gets lumped together and nobody has a conniption. Since the masses are going to go with Sci-Fi, embrace it and move along.

Posted by: ed newman at August 25, 2009 8:51 AM

1. If you really care about this - if this really somehow affets your day to day mental stability and well-being, you need to get out more. Please.

2. Who give a rat's ass what you call it, as long as they are still playing Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus this weekend?

3. That being said, SyFy is totally fucking stupid as branding goes...

Now pass the BooBerry - I have a movie to watch.

Posted by: bjugg at August 25, 2009 9:11 AM

zzzz.....Oh, I'm sorry, I must have dozed off because this is the stupidest thing ever. Is there actually a debate about SciFi vs Science Fiction? Isn't SciFi just an abbreviated version of Science Fiction? Does anyone care? Seriously...there must be better things to get huffy about.
Now ScyFy...there's something to be pissed about. That's just insulting my intelligence.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go back to surfing YouTube for monkeys who pee in their mouths.

Posted by: Whorish Mouth at August 25, 2009 9:40 AM

Is nobody else bothered by the new SyFy slogan -- Imagine Greater?

WTF does that even mean? Not only can they not spell over on that channel, but they don't know them some grammar, neither.

Posted by: BWeaves at August 25, 2009 9:47 AM

BJuggs said: Who give a rat's ass what you call it, as long as they are still playing Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus this weekend?

IS THIS TRUE??
Why would they do that this weekend when I am moving and will be without cable for 48 hours? WHHHHYYYY????

Ahem, sorry. I think the strain of living out of boxes is getting to me.

Posted by: JenVegas at August 25, 2009 10:59 AM

Sy Fy: Imagine Greater. Really. Have they looked at their programming recently?

Sci Fi vs. Science Fiction: I don't care. My panties will not become bunched over random slang terms for a genre. It's like beer: if I'm in the mood for swill, Miller Light will do, but if I want the good shit, I go Boulevard. Both of 'em are still beer.

Posted by: Captain Steve at August 25, 2009 11:40 AM

We play both kinds of music Science and Fiction!

Posted by: MRod at August 25, 2009 3:10 PM

I wish SyFy would expand ECW to 2 hours. That would double the time I watch that pissant network.

Posted by: grumpiestoldman at August 26, 2009 9:38 AM


















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