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Salman Rushdie Throws Down on Game of Thrones

By Steven Lloyd Wilson | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (32)



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Salman Rushdie, he of Satanic Verses fatwa fame, got involved with Showtime over the summer in order to create a television series called The Next People. The author himself describes it as “a sort of paranoid science fiction series, people disappearing and being replaced by other people,” which sounds exactly like a half dozen other science fiction stories, but then it is just a nutshell description. Word is that he has finished the pilot and is supposed to be writing the entire series.

But what is really getting the press in the genre blogs and such is the following quote:

“There was a series called Game of Thrones which was very popular here in the United States, a post-Tolkien kind of thing. It was garbage, yet very addictive garbage—because there’s lots of violence, all the women take their clothes off all the time, and it’s kind of fun. In the end, it’s well-produced trash, but there’s room for that, too.”

Generally, the write ups then crack an amazingly clever zinger about a geek fatwa, or that Islamic fundamentalists haven’t got anything on a legion of angry nerds. But someone panning something popular shouldn’t necessarily be condemnable, it is our business model here after all. And he does throw the series a bone after all. Really, he doesn’t sound much different than I did after getting to the end of A Dance with Dragons and realizing that there hadn’t been one iota of plot movement.

An extremely lengthy interview with Rushdie is up over at Haaretz, and it is quite fascinating, covering a range of topics and history. Here’s the relevant bit in which he is talking about television though, and you’ll notice that although Rushdie isn’t the biggest fan of Game of Thrones, he is quite taken with some other favorites of these parts, while utterly dismissive of others:

Everybody loves ‘The Wire’ and I think it’s okay, but in the end it’s just a police series. I love ‘The Sopranos.’ ‘Deadwood,’ which didn’t last long, was a series I liked a lot; it had more filthy language than I’ve ever heard on television anywhere in my life, but it was brilliantly written. I like some of what is on now, like ‘Breaking Bad’ and ‘Dexter.’ … I watched all that because if I am going to work in this field, I need to know what it is going on. I have been making myself have whole-series marathons to get the point of how it goes. I will soon start writing my little series.








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Comments

I think calling it "garbage" is a little over the top. He may not like it, but it's very well written fantasy.

Posted by: KatSings at October 18, 2011 11:36 AM

Very well written? It's a really good show, and the dialogue is fairly good, but I wouldn't call it really well written.

Posted by: Brenton at October 18, 2011 11:52 AM

ASOIAF isn’t for everyone, but what Rushdie fails to comprehend is that the series has modernized the genre. Comparing it to Tolkien is just lazy.

Besides, he sounds like a complete killjoy. His dinner parties must be insufferable.

Posted by: Scully at October 18, 2011 11:53 AM

I don't really care about what he said about Game of Thrones but his quote at the end is incredibly patronizing and dismissive as if he'd never seen any television until he was asked to write a "little series" for this mass entertainment medium because it's all so beneath him.

To quote Mr. PaddyDog:

"the only thing that would stop me if I was offered a night of debauchery with Padma Lakshmi is that if Salman Rushdie was into it, you know it's kind of dry, boring, and takes forever to get through".

Posted by: PaddyDog at October 18, 2011 11:56 AM

I enjoyed the first book, although, I got the sense that the whole point seemed to be that if women did not love their children there would be no war. but I was curious as to what would happen next so I picked up the next book. Oh my god, how much rape can you work into a story! I know lots of people swear by this series but it was too much for me. At least right now, I was reading "What is the What" at the same time and I could not take anymore misery. But even if that had not been the case, I think the rape would still be too much for me. I get it, war is bad and people do bad things now lets move on to something that moves the story forward.

Posted by: Michin70 at October 18, 2011 12:01 PM

His "Enchantress of Florence" was a wonderful fairy tale. I loved it.

Posted by: ChickaBoom! at October 18, 2011 12:02 PM

Someone please show that comment about The Wire to David Simon.

Please.

I'll get my popcorn.

Posted by: zeke the pig at October 18, 2011 12:03 PM

"Really, he doesn't sound much different than I did after getting to the end of A Dance with Dragons and realizing that there hadn't been one iota of plot movement."
Pretty much all there is to say here.

Posted by: jp at October 18, 2011 12:07 PM

Rushdie's a great writer and all, but really? He thinks The Sopranos is better than the Wire? And now he's writing off Game of Thrones because it has sex and violence? It's goddamn HBO, it's contractually required to have sex and violence, just like everything else in its lineup.

@Michin70 It was probably good you left the series where you did. I don't remember much actual rape in the rest of the series, but Martin has a tendency to psychologically and emotionally rape all of his characters, repeatedly throughout the course of the series.

And yet I just can't stop reading.

Posted by: SJ at October 18, 2011 12:26 PM

Really, he doesn’t sound much different than I did after getting to the end of A Dance with Dragons and realizing that there hadn’t been one iota of plot movement.

It's true! I wasn't the hugest fan of the fourth volume, but I adored the third one, and wanted to read more about characters like Dany and Jon again, so of course I picked up Dance, and I found it really interminable. I had a hard time caring about it enough, and finishing it was a relief.

But I guess Martin has sort of done me a favour because the thought of having to wait six years for the next volume doesn't really bother me now.

Posted by: Tierney at October 18, 2011 12:34 PM

I am thinking that KatSings was referring to the books being well-written fantasy. Not that some of the episodes aren't well-written, but GRRM didn't write most of the episodes.

Posted by: Laura at October 18, 2011 12:36 PM

Am I supposed to be surprised that Salman Rushdie says something which makes him come across as a snobby elitist?

I jest of course, I've got nothing but respect for Rushdie and his work, but to say I disagree with his opinions here is an understatement.

Calling The Wire "just a police series" shows how little he really knows about good television. And Game of thrones is "garbage" simply because of the well-placed sex and violence? Please.

Posted by: Brock at October 18, 2011 12:44 PM

I read two of Rushdie's books and I do not consider him a very good author. Oh, that fatwa helped him to get famous, sure. But as a writer he's just mediocre.

And for those who think that the book A Game Of Thrones did not have plot movement, I don't think you read the book to the end.

Posted by: FabMax at October 18, 2011 12:51 PM

I get the uncanny feeling that Rushdie is a closet Twilight fan. One of those contrary bastards who trashes things that are good and tries to elevate crap just to increase his "hey I think outside of the box" cool factor.

If you took all the gore out of Game of Thrones, you would still have one hell of a political thriller. That's why I will stick with it to the bitter end.

Posted by: Wednesday at October 18, 2011 12:51 PM

@Brock: The sex in AGOT wasn't well placed. It was all over the place and very distracting most of the time.

Posted by: FabMax at October 18, 2011 12:52 PM

Has anyone ever read The Satanic Verses? Now that's a lot of self-indulgent bullshit. That stupid Fatwa made him the famous author he is today. It doesn't make him good.

Posted by: John G. at October 18, 2011 12:53 PM

You'd think of all people Rushdie would be wary or criticizing something with a large following.

Posted by: John W at October 18, 2011 2:14 PM

How can you not love Game of Thrones? It's a cross over hit that's telling human stories in a fantasy world....
Which is why they'll never cancel it.

Posted by: Siham at October 18, 2011 2:19 PM

Yo, Salbass. Head back into the sauna with Kramer.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at October 18, 2011 2:45 PM

I haven't read Game of Thrones and am not likely to. But this: "Everybody loves ‘The Wire’ and I think it’s okay, but in the end it’s just a police series." PFFFTT. Pompous asshole.

Posted by: Lee at October 18, 2011 3:03 PM

He has huge brass cajones. To dis The Wire and AGOT before you've even taken a stab at the TV thing yourself? Massive, massive cajones.

Obama needs Rushdie's cajones.

Posted by: ed newman at October 18, 2011 3:34 PM

@ Fabmax: I don't know, but - hype notwithstanding - I thought that Midnight's Children and The Satanic Verses were pretty brilliant. Took me ages to get through but I'm glad I read them.

Besides which, he sounds like an asinine bastard but that really doesn't explain his appearance in Bridget Jones' Diaries. Frankly, I don't know what does (apart from money. Please, let it not be money).

Posted by: Zirze at October 18, 2011 3:49 PM

PENIS.

Posted by: The Gong Of Doom at October 18, 2011 4:10 PM

Hmmm, most of the violence was written out and most of the sex written in. Not a very deep criticism.

I guess it's kinda job security to diss your direct competition.

Posted by: Protoguy at October 18, 2011 7:46 PM

I've listened to a Rushdie's interview (I think it was on Jarvis Cocker's radio show) where he trashed reviewed a videogame, yes a videogame. Some fan transcribed the interview in some messageboards, on paper,it looks like he's bitchin' around but hearing him actually say his diss, it was really more in jest. He does not give a douchey vibe at all.

Posted by: Adrien at October 18, 2011 8:43 PM

Salman Rushdie may be a pretentious self-important bastard, but he wrote the Ground Beneath Her Feet, and for that, I'll be forever grateful.

I'm also furious with George RR Martin right now, so despite the fact that Rushdie is obviously wrong and I love both these authors, I really can't bring myself to feel anything about his comments.

Posted by: Tits McGee at October 18, 2011 10:54 PM

Very disappointed in all of you. I came here expecting some sort of scathing bitchiness. I guess I'd better go somewhere nerdier. Your showing has been poor, I mean the man trashed all that is good on TV and the highlight of modern fantasy - without even having seen or watched most of it. The man's an idiot, puffed up on his own success, sheltered in his little coterie of pretentious and adoring fans who have inflated his ego, his sense of his own intelligence and his belief in his understanding of everything in media (though he is just an author in a single genre) to such a degree that he feels confident in pronouncing on things he does not understand, has not seen, and would not appreciate even if he did watch them.

It's a version of the Dunning-Kruger effect. He doesn't know enough to realise that his 'opinion' is worthless.

He's like a creationist talking about science, like Dawkins talking about religion, like Sarah Palin talking about anything at all.

Posted by: Ender at October 19, 2011 4:32 AM

I've just finished a history course on the French Wars of Revolution and I am now almost absolutely convinced that Martin got his ideas from the time, no that that is a bad thing. There was a domineering woman behind the throne, Catherine de Medici, widespread strife with the country being split into many factions primarily the Catholics and the Huegenots. Assassination attempts and many young kings and queens that died very quickly, after their father was accidently killed in a joust. Finally, there was a massacre at a wedding, the St. Bartholemew's day massacre, in which protestants attended to see the Catholic King marry a protestant only to be slaughtered. There are even more connections and it's a really interesting time in European history if anyone's interested.

Posted by: Alex at October 19, 2011 7:20 AM

*Religion not Revolution

Posted by: Alex at October 19, 2011 7:20 AM

Talk about blowing things out of proportion. He's not dissing The Wire, he just doesn't think it's AS great as everyone else.

He DOES like Breaking Bad, Dexter, The Sopranos and of course Deadwood. That's a lot of shows in common with most of the folks here.

Posted by: Bert at October 19, 2011 2:52 PM

Whaaa? GOT and the resulting series was freaking amazering. I do love it so.

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Posted by: PONS Idiomas at October 20, 2011 8:23 AM