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Slap Fight!

By Steven Lloyd Wilson | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (48)



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I always love a good Hollywood slap fight. So James Cameron spent a good part of the last year telling everyone that he had so revolutionized 3D technology that every film in the future would just have to be 3D to be any good in the slightest. It was the future, we were told, a future of fucking Buddy Holly glasses stapled to your face if you wanted to see the film you paid extra money for. Yeah, great, and where exactly are my flying cars?

Well, after his intense public lovemaking to the notion of 3D films, James Cameron has seen fit to drop his $350 million smurf loving ass into a slap fight with the director of Piranha 3D. Really James? Really?

Says the Cameron: “exactly an example of what we should not be doing in 3-D.”

Well latte da. I didn’t know that the club was so damned exclusive. I didn’t realize that Cameron had actual ownership of the very notion of random crap popping out of the sides of the screen from the background. Should not be doing … look, I just typed and deleted about sixteen different profanity laden sentences, brimming with sarcasm or outright violence. Here’s the bottom line. No one owns a technique. “Should be” is the exact opposite of the artistic impulse. “Should be” is everything a film maker should rail against with every fiber of his being. “Should be” is the seed of fascism.

Mark Canton, producer behind Piranha 3D responded with thoughts not far off that sentiment:

“As a producer in the entertainment industry, Jim Cameron’s comments on VanityFair.com are very disappointing to me and the team that made Piranha 3D. Mr. Cameron, who singles himself out to be a visionary of movie-making, seems to have a small vision regarding any motion pictures that are not his own. It is amazing that in the movie-making process - which is certainly a team sport - that Cameron consistently celebrates himself out as though he is a team of one. His comments are ridiculous, self-serving and insulting to those of us who are not caught up in serving his ego and his rhetoric.

Jim, are you kidding or what? First of all, let’s start by you accepting the fact that you were the original director of Piranha 2 and you were fired. Shame on you for thinking that genre movies and the real maestros like Roger Corman and his collaborators are any less auteur or impactful in the history of cinema than you. Martin Scorcese made Boxcar Bertha at the beginning of his career. And Francis Ford Coppola made Dimentia 13 back in 1963. And those are just a few examples of the talented and successful filmmakers whose roots are in genre films. Who are you to impugn any genre film or its creators?

Having been deeply involved, as either an executive or as a producer, on Tim Burton’s original Batman and the first Men In Black, as well as 300, and now Immortals, one of the things that has been consistent about all of the filmmakers involved in these landscape-changing global films is that, in each and every case, all of the directors were humbled by their predecessors, their colleagues and by their awareness of the great history of film that came before them. The enjoyment and the immersion of an audience in a movie theatre, as they had and will have with the above-mentioned films, and as audiences are experiencing with Piranha 3D now, comes from the originality and the vision of the filmmaker, and not just from the creation of the technology. You as much as anyone certainly knows that there are many pieces to the puzzle. Going to the movies still remains, arguably, amongst the best communal experiences that human beings can share.

My sense is that Mr. Cameron has never seen Piranha 3D… certainly not in a movie theatre with a real audience. Jim, we invite you to take that opportunity and experience the movie in a theatre full of fans - fans for whom this movie was always intended to entertain. Does Mr. Cameron have no idea of the painstaking efforts made by the talented young filmmaker Alex Aja and his team of collaborators? Clearly, and this one is a good bet, he has no clue as to how great and how much of a fun-filled experience the audiences who have seen the film in 3D have enjoyed. Those of us who have tried to stay in touch with the common movie audiences - the ones who really matter, the ones who actually still go to the theatre, put on the glasses, and eat the popcorn - take joy and pride in the fact that movies of all kinds, including Piranha 3D, have a place in filmmaking history - past, present and future. 3D unto itself is not a genre Jim, it is a tool that gives audiences an enhanced experience as they experience all kinds of movies. I believe Mr. Cameron did not see Piranha 3D either with any real audience or not at all.

On opening weekend, I was in a Los Angeles theatre with a number of today’s great film makers including JJ Abrams, who actually had nothing short of the fabulous, fun 3D experience that the movie provides. I am fortunate enough to have worked on, and continue to work on, evolutionary movies in all formats from just simple good story telling, which still matters most of all, to CG movies to tent-pole size 3D movies, and genre 3D movies like Piranha 3D. What it comes down to, Jim, is - that like most things in life - size doesn’t really matter. Not everyone has the advantage of having endless amounts of money to play in their sandbox and to take ten years using other people’s money to make and market a film….like you do. Why can’t you just count your blessings?

Why do you have to drop Marty Scorsese’s or Tim Burton’s names, both gentlemen who I have personally worked with, and who have enjoyed great joy and success with movies of all genres and sizes well before the advent of modern 3D? Then as now, they were like kids in a candy store recognizing, far beyond your imagination, the possibilities of storytelling and originality. For the record, before you just totally dismiss Piranha 3D and all, in your opinion, worthless genre movies that actually undoubtedly gave you the ability to start your career, you should know that Piranha 3D had an 82% “fresh” (positive) ratting on Rotten Tomatoes on opening day - a web site that all the studios, filmmakers and the public use as a barometer of what makes a quality film.

We know that Piranha 3D has not achieved a boxoffice that is on the level of many of Mr. Cameron’s successes. To date, Piranha 3D has earned over $30 million around the globe with #1 openings in several countries. And, as the “fresh” rating on Rotten Tomatoes indicates, critics and many, many others have embraced and celebrated Piranha 3D for the fun and entertaining - and even smart - movie-going experience that it is. Let’s just keep this in mind Jim….you did not invent 3D. You were fortunate that others inspired you to take it further. The simple truth is that I had nothing but good things to say about Avatar and my own experience since I actually saw it and didn’t damn someone else’s talent publicly in order to disassociate myself from my origins in the business from which we are all very fortunate. To be honest, I found the 3D in Avatar to be inconsistent and while ground breaking in many respects, sometimes I thought it overwhelmed the storytelling. Technology aside, I wish Avatar had been more original in its storytelling.

We have to inspire, teach and mentor this next generation of filmmakers. It is garbage to suggest that any film or any filmmaker who cannot afford to work to your standards should be dissuaded from following his or her craft by not making 3D movies or not making movies like District 9, for example, which probably cost the amount of Avatar’s craft services budget, but totally rocked it in the movie theatre and in the marketplace. In that case, it was not a 3D movie. But had it been, it certainly would not have been any less original or impactful. The enormous worldwide success of Avatar has been good in all respects for you, your financiers, your distributors and the industry, as well as for the movie going public. Jim, there is a difference between Maestro which is a word that garners respect, and Dictator or Critic which are words better left for others who are not in our mutual boat or on our team. You are one of the best, it is reasonable to think that you should dig deeper and behave like it. Young directors should be inspired by you, not publicly castigated by your mean-spirited and flawed analysis.

While we are all awed by your talents and your box office successes - and I compliment you on all of them - why don’t you rethink how you address films with which you are not involved? You should be taking the high road that is being travelled by so many of your peers, and pulling with them to ensure that we, as an industry, will have a continuum of talented filmmakers that will deliver a myriad of motion pictures both big and small, with 3D or any other technologies yet to come that will entertain audiences throughout the world. That is the challenge that we face. That is the future that we should deliver. Please go see Piranha in a theater near you.”

Well said.

(source: Blastr)









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Comments

Well that was very diplomatic. I haven't seen Piranha 3D yet, but I suspect I will quite enjoy it. Frankly, Avatar kind of sucked, and James Cameron is a solid 15 years past his use by date. The last time he directed a movie I actually kind of liked was True Lies (1994), and the last time he directed a good movie was T2 in 1991. So his failing streak is almost as old as I am.

Posted by: Chugga at September 1, 2010 10:28 AM

Now THAT is how you smack a ho. Methinks Cameron is overcompensating for his baynisosity.

Posted by: Robert Scott at September 1, 2010 10:31 AM

I think the kids call that one

pwnd

Posted by: PyD at September 1, 2010 10:32 AM

While I agree with many of Mr. Canton's sentiments, I think they could have been put much better. Honestly, there are a lot of grammatical problems and issues with sentence structure. If this is the kind of literacy level that passes in Hollywood, perhaps we've found our explanation for The Movie That Will Not Be Named...

Posted by: Fur at September 1, 2010 10:38 AM

I did not plan on seeing Piranaha 3D. It did not look like it was a movie that I would enjoy. That being said, I will now go see it this weekend. I cannot stand the elitist attitude of Cameron and his ilk. I applaud the 'knocking down' of giants/tyrants in any industry. Viva Canton!!

Posted by: Undertow976 at September 1, 2010 10:43 AM

James Cameron should buy a little cabin on the island where George Lucas lives with the dead raped bodies of a Stormtrooper and ShortRound.

And there he can start foreplay with his 3D Alien statue.

Posted by: magiel at September 1, 2010 10:46 AM

Dear James Cameron:

While I am grateful for Aliens, True Lies, The Abyss and Terminator, the sad truth is you haven't made a genuinely great movie since 1994. Since then, you've made some visually arresting movies that were badly written and painfully full of hackneyed melodrama, but that's it. So maybe you shouldn't be judging other people's work quite so critically.

I guess what I'm saying is:

Fuck James Cameron.

Posted by: TK at September 1, 2010 10:56 AM

It started off ok but then seemed to start regarding Piranha 3D as some kind of milestone achievement. I haven't seen it, I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but come on. It's a 3D B movie. Who really gives a shit except those involved in the making of the movie?

Cameron is an insufferable egomaniac. I think that's indisputable at this point. But he IS a visionary and accomplishes the lofty goals he proclaims for himself. If he wants to lay claim to 3D, let him. Not like he can patent the idea and thus stop the runway train of 3D dispair that is about to descend on our movie theaters week after week after week after...

Posted by: TylerDFC at September 1, 2010 10:57 AM

Wow. Great analysis, Fur. He didn't graduate with a Masters Degree in English so he's a fucking dumbass.

Please share more of your nitpicking jackassery with the group.

Posted by: Kballs at September 1, 2010 11:00 AM

I love balls. Kballs, that is.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Pirahna 3D made specifically to be a 3D film (as in, it was shot using 2D technology with the intent to always be made 3D in post), as opposed to others that were only made 3D as cash grabs? If Cameron is going to call any film out, it should be of the Clash of the Titans ilk, not Pirahna 3D. But, really, he ought to focus on making a good movie or counting his money. Leave others to their work.

Posted by: RobP at September 1, 2010 11:15 AM

So he went and stuck his foot in his mouth and appointed himself The 3D Czar, eh?
Well, it seems that everything I've read says that the Clash of the Titans 3D version was way more of a train-wreck clusterfuck than Piranha 3D may have been. Why didn't he shit all over those guys?
Fucking twat.

I'm glad I've avoided giving any of my money to his silly little movie.

Posted by: Rykker at September 1, 2010 11:16 AM

The next thing Cameron should direct is a 3d movie which consists of 90 minutes of a single shot on a giant mug of STFU!

Self absorbed fuckbubble.

Posted by: Uncle JR at September 1, 2010 11:43 AM

James Cameron wants so badly to be taken as a serious, artistic filmmaker. Truth be told, he's a hack.

I liken him to the hipster that just dropped a grand on a digital SLR camera. Sure, most of the pictures he takes will be technically good. Well exposed, in focus, good color balance. He might even get the hang of decent framing and lighting.

But he's no photographer. Strip away the fancy amenities and hand him a disposable camera and he wouldn't be able to take a decent picture to save his life.

But a good photographer could take that disposable and get some fantastic shots with it. A creative photographer will use a cheap camera to get the shots he wants because he specifically wants to use the noted failings of cheaper cameras or he'll learn to adjust to his cheap camera because he simply can't afford a better one.

It's this last example that photographer Cameron is railing against. "Camera's weren't created for you to wrap in plastic, dunk in a swimming pool and snap weird photos with. This is high art!" "What do you mean you WANT the edges to look blurry and you like the scratch marks on the lens. This is art, dammit! Acknowledge me and the thousands I spent on a better camera that takes crisper pictures and ignore my lack of creativity or visual bravery!"

Obviously, a flawed analogy as Cameron is visually adventurous if nothing else. But you get what Im going for.

Posted by: Lennon at September 1, 2010 11:48 AM

Mostly I love the end of this, the part that calls him out for failing as a mentor. Whether we all think he is a twatwaffle or not, whether he tends to make incredibly derivative, blandly written movies or not - the man has left his mark on the landscape of film. Whether anyone likes it or not, he IS someone that young film-makers will look up to, and he needs to act like it and grow the fuck up.

Posted by: KatSings at September 1, 2010 12:05 PM

I can't believe someone put this much effort into defending Piranha 3D. Cameron has a point about 3D being used for more than just things flying into the audience (like boobies or propeller blades), and...that's all Piranha 3D used it for. At least Piranha 3D did what it set out to do well: campy 3D horror with blood, guts, and nudity. It's intentionally gratuitous 3D used effectively for shocks and giggles.

That said, I don't like Cameron's attitude about what is or isn't good 3D. The man spent 3 hours telling a 3 line story on the screen that only worked because of slick visuals hiding the deficient narrative. To me, focusing all your effort on the technology at the expense of the traditionally valued elements of film-making (screenplay, acting, screenplay) is a failing far greater than any crappy CGI fish launched at an audience.

Posted by: Robert at September 1, 2010 1:08 PM

Though I agree that the message in the letter is passionate and relevant, there is simply no excuse for poor grammar in a letter which will likely be read by millions. It's frustrating, because the flaws diminished the impact of his otherwise strong message.

Posted by: superasente at September 1, 2010 1:32 PM

Wow, that makes for some great publicity. I bet Mr. Canton was much more excited than he was offended.

Posted by: ThunderSacTriumph at September 1, 2010 2:35 PM

Cameron needs a passport to go on that ego trip of his.

The difference between the two films is that Piranha 3D doesn't pretend to be anything more than what it is. Sure it's not an Oscar contender- it's just a gory popcorn flick. To hear Cameron whine, you'd think Avatar was the Sermon on the Mount. The reality is that while it has some very impressive effects and production design, it is really just a prettier popcorn flick...with its director being a little more deluded of his individual importance. He really needs to come down off his cross. He didn't invent the technology used, merely improved upon it -and he had a lot of collaborative help.

New technology means that every now and again a lousy film comes through using it. If every inventor of a movie innovation (whether it be color or sound or effects....etc.) had final approval of who got to use it, there's a very strong possibility we'd still be using flipbooks. I cannot even begin to imagine the increased danger of paper cuts while trying to watch porn that way.

Posted by: bleujayone at September 1, 2010 2:54 PM

I'm working on a musical right now. Today, at our lunch break, I was talking do our dance captain. She mentioned that her favourite movie was Avatar. I had to walk away shaking my head. I hate James Cameron more than any other director in Hollywood right now. Not because he's worse than Michael Bay or Brett Ratner. It's for the same reason I hate Lady Gaga more than Ke[dumbass dollar sign]ha. People try to convince me he's original and talented. Somehow these people are convinced that James Cameron is a very good director. I can point out the biggest flaws in Avatar and they'll just say "Yeah. But it was so good!"

Fuck you, James Cameron.

Posted by: A-schaef at September 1, 2010 5:14 PM

that piece was seven samurais of awesome! I've loved a lot of cameron's films, but you really have to work at ignoring him.

I am really looking forward to Piranha 3D, with a lifetime love of horror movies good and bad, the funny, the gory, the shocking, the silly and this homage to everything from the VHS heyday to Creature from the Black Lagoon looks to be so fun.

and like he said, in a packed movie house, all sugared up.

I dont know why cameron feels the need to take the piss out of other people, their work and have no sense of fun. maybe he's just still sore about prianha 2: the spawning.

Posted by: idleprimate at September 1, 2010 8:15 PM

Avatar is really a 'Have to watch' movie, innovative, and also astonishing picture . I think it will be considered by almost all cinema goers as one more landmark in the history of the art. The amount of realistic look reached is impressive, and although the motion picture is reasonably long in real time, it retains it's enjoyment and retains the viewer's focus to the end. Performances are good, but this may not be the sort of film that dwells on giant superstar significance to the stars, although Sigorney Weaver does indeed shine and gives an incredibly convincing performance, as do the rest of the cast. But as there is a great deal of entertainment and actions benefit on screen a persons element doesn't dominate in the usual way.

Posted by: Tanesha Huckaby at September 1, 2010 9:13 PM

I don't know what James Cameron's beef is. Since we are forced to take him at his word, those words can be easily flayed before the city gates. Fine, it was pompous of him to single out a movie, but rarely take anyone at their word.

Still, side me up with Cameron.

James Cameron is not one of the directors that pops up on my Netflix profile, but he is a damn sight better than the knee-jerk reactions cataloged above. He is richer than gods at the moment, and has little to achieve much less prove to anybody: Thus his reproving gnarl at douchebags who mightn't have enjoyed digital snizz like Piranha, but more at the hoi gelatinous crowd who is either too young to know better or old enough to want to occasionally steal some youth cred.

Bare with me, now.

I like a shallow script for when I'm in the mood. My favorite movies include ambitious scripts, casts of horribles mixed with A-list talents, and what we know as auteur direction.

I'll do Cameron one better. I'll quote Gamain quoting Amiri Baraka: "Art is whatever makes you proud to be human."

Japan is currently experiencing a crisis of spirit, or substance, or constitution. America is not there yet. We're having trouble with empathy, but Fuck people, you know what I'm sayin'. You may look at some of what their entertainment industry pumps out, and you'll know they got all kinds of fucked up. Make me defend some of our worst programming, and I'd win, of course, ---->American, but should I want to win that bout? I am fucking pissed at the general public for more than it's viewing habits, if that's unclear. My apology, I know you were just standing there sniffing vending machine panties there, Japan.

Piranha may have bested James Cameron simply my making the 3D technology his crux, but whether Piranha 3D should be the type of MOVIE that teams of talent should be putting out---absolutely not. It is a piece of crafted garbage. It is an exercise in the loss of empathy. It is shitty special effects in the opening whirlpool, and cheap gimmicks the rest of the way out. It's retarded if Dinner For Schmucks is retarded. It certainly isn't auteur, else I challenge you to defend the perspective. It is garbage in the sense that it makes me hate humanity more than what I walked in with. I mean, not everyone, but I won't single out any others around here because I am coming across as an indefatigable asshole, but you more or less know who you are.

Fuckin fuckshit.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at September 2, 2010 12:43 AM

it is interesting to make a point about humanity in context to going to the theatre, especially as the piranha guy had raved about the communal experience of going to the movies.

I have seen many great films in theatre, and felt essentially alienated or at least isolated in the audience. seeing apocalypse now in theatre was so raw and left me so vulnerable that it felt awkward being in a crowded place, same goes for whjere the wild things are. avatar was so visually inspiring that everyone sat, quietly wowed through the whole thing.

oddly enough, two genres not known for their greatness --comedy and horror, are often much richer communal experiences. laughter makes us brave and brings down our walls, and fear in a film is usually followed by either the cathjarsis of safety or humour, which also brings down walls. so the genre of the silly horror film is often the most communal theatre experience. audiences roaring with laughter together, howling, gasping, making collective "ewwwws", laughing at the occasional heckle. you walk out at the end having been temporarily removed from isolation, temporarily being part of a swell of experience. and their is a thrilling hum of energy running through you

say what you will about certain kinds of films artistically, they are often valuable social experiences. and seriously, we are living in a horrifying dying world on the brink of chaos. taking two hours off to get grossed out, frightened by, and also laugh at the absurdity of prehistoric piranha invading a bloated frat party is relieving.

there is a reason for the enduring popularity of horror films throughout the entire history of cinema and it was shameful for cameron to take a big defensive dump all over it and audiences.

Posted by: idleprimate at September 2, 2010 5:02 AM

*applauds the above statements* To be honest, I think James Cameron is more of a technogeek and a craftsman than an "auteur" or film-maker. My biggest issue with Avatar really was that the script/storytelling were lazy, and they really didn't need to be. Especially for something that took ten years to make, I felt saddened and disappointed an artist that James Cameron didn't seem to care enough about his vision enough to actually try and make ALL aspects of it good. You know it could've been about sixteen times better if some disinterested third party had just read over the script and offered some honest critique...I don't see why James Cameron (or anyone, really) is so mighty as to be above constructive criticism. Then again, as the letter above so surprisingly lays out, James Cameron doesn't seem to recognize that film making is a team sport.

Long story short, Pirahna 3D is silly, and I probably won't shell out $15 to watch it, but denying young filmmakers the chance and opportunity to cut their teeth on genre films seems to be awfully unsporting of the richest director in the world. >.> It's like the creators of the telephone turning around and trying to dictate what people's phone conversations should then be about...just doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: Daft Steampunk at September 3, 2010 3:52 AM

Piranha delivered entirely and is well worth seeing in theatres, in fact i would say it it sbest seen in a big crowd.

i now feel it was even more shitty of Cameron to rant on about it.

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