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1988. *sigh*

i just wanna be 16 and have some fun.

Samantha is broke? Oh, no... This is going to be awful.

I wonder if Charlotte will use the less-fancy china when she has the girls over for dinner and make a lot of "SHHHHH!!! Shut up, she's POOR!" faces whenever somebody mentions money just so Samantha doesn't feel bad. I bet Carrie will have a deep conversation moment with Sam where she'll lean over the table, put her bejeweled hand over Sam's unmanicured one, look her in the eye and say, "You're still my friend and I'm here for you" and act like she's the first person in the world to ever say that to a loved one.

I need at least two electric lemonades before watching this one.

Forbiddendonut: Amen. I'm sure there are people who take on a typical amount of debt (these days, well north of $100K) and then take a sub $40K-paying job in the public interest. I, at the age of 32 upon graduation, simply wasn't going to be one of them. I don't think that makes me greedy, I think it makes me solvent.

I also never got a single "Greed is Good" message in law school (though I prefer the actual quote which is "Greed, for lack of a better word, is good" - much more nuanced). The career center pushed students toward big law firms to prop up the school's (a scrappy, local NYC school desperate for validation) reputation, but certainly not the professors. They were in la-la land on that front, frankly.

I've love to see the "Wall Street" update with a female trader mentee - with NO sexual tension (thank you very much).

"Yet, a third could be because getting a job at a law firm is the path of least resistance by far. Back in the day, at least, you really didn't have to do all that much to get one."

That was not my experience in law school - jobs at large law firms were restricted to the top 5%-10% of the class. The non-prestigious public interest jobs (meaning Legal Aid Society and local legal services, not the ACLU) were far less competitive to get though, undoubtedly, provided a far richer experience.

I'm writing this not to be a pedantic pain-in-the-ass, but to avoid leading any Pajiba readers down any kind of primrose path in re: law school!

First of all, Shithead LeDooosh cannot pull off that role, don't matter how much he moistens the panties of hordes of women with bad taste.

Second, day trading is about as exciting as accounting.

I need to know who is responsible for Shia LaBeouf. Who likes this person? Who finds him attractive or interesting. Please advise as I am unmoved by his talents.

his mum?

I certainly don't & I would ;ike to know who is keeping him in pay-cheques.. perhaps he has some serious dirt on someone very very well-connected. Him and Megan Fox. It's the only explanation.

Forbiddenout: Absolutely. As I've pointed out, I loved law school but detested the process, specifically, the insane grade-based competition. Ugh. Also, is it possible the Cornell professor was being facetious? The basis of securities is that greed is good, but the pesky law does intervene from time-to-time (well, aside from the Madoff debacle).

Arr Matey: Sigh. I long for being able to do that at some point. I do family law and not commercial law any longer, does that count as moral high ground? Caveat: we only represent rich people versus other rich people.

Arr matey:

Here's the problem, I could tell you that if you really want to claim the precious moral high ground, volunteer your services instead of pulling a high salary from a needy organization. There will always be a higher, more moral ground. People need to stop agonizing over the fact that they have well-paying jobs that don't focus on adopting Somali orphans. It's called life. We have bills, we need jobs. Short of going off the grid, if you feel your job is less worthy, donate somewhere, volunteer on the weekends. Don't feel you have to justify the fact that you have an education and a responsible job.

Or maybe Gordon Gekko meets Sara Jessica-Derbyface in the middle of central park and beats the shit out of her while he berates her. Except instead of throwing her a hanky, he tosses her a loaded 45 so she can put herself out of our misery.

PissBoy, I like you, and I understand that you, like many on Pajiba, have no love for SJP (and I'm not claiming to be a fan--I don't have strong feelings about her one way or the other), and I also recognize that we threaten to beat the shit out of folks like Michael Bay all the time, but it would be nice if you could find a way to describe your hatred that doesn't bring to mind this.

You sound a little horsey-faced yourself there, Beets.

I didn't bring to mind "this", you did. I brought to mind G. Gekko replacing Bud Fox with Sarah Jessica Parker.

I disagree PissBoy. What you described absolutely brought to mind that image. You can't simply replace one character with another and assume it has the same impact.

Paddy - Ugh, I definitely hate to be on opposite sides, but as I just explained to PB, it's not the same thing.

And we've just got the plot for Sex in the City III; an impoverished Samantha takes up with Gordon Gekko. Gekko rebuilds his fortune through stocks in Blahnik and Prada while Samantha bonds with her new stepson Shia LeBouf. Throw in a bromance between Gekko and Big, have Carrie swanning around with a cosmotini and talking about how life is like shopping, cut, print, and market.

*can

You know, BSlim, you can throw around the PC insult all you want, but I'm not biting.

I didnt' twist PissBoy's comment, his description came with a pretty clear visual. The fact that Keira Knightly recently did a PSA re: domestic violence that included a similar visual, only helped show why his comment bothered me.

Holy fucking shit...like I said. I stand by my visual. It was fucking harmless. Go continue the O&R thread because that got blown way the fuck out of proportion too.

Of course, PissBoy, these things just happen in a vacuum. There's no larger context for them.

BSlim - I disagree. The thread had nothing to do with violence against women until PissBoy made it so. I just decided to ask him to find another way to express his dislike of an actress.

And spare me the I'm so insulted crap. As soon as anyone feels the tiniest bit of restricted (meaning that perhaps they think about something more than they wanted to) they cry PC. And you're tougher than that.

Sigh. PissBoy we're just going to go around in circles on this. My point is, you can't simply take a scene from movie in which a guy beats and berates another guy and put a woman in the place of the guy being beaten and berated and not realize that that image and its and impact and context is different and problematic.

Sure I can...because it's a movie. The only thing problematic with my remark is that instead of called SJP by her character name, I called her Sarah Jessica Derbyface. If I had called her Samantha or whatever we probably wouldn't be on this topic right now.

If I had said I hope she gets awkwardly molested by a nine-dicked Walrus named Rupert, would that have been better? Or is there a real social problem with the sexually agressive nature of pinnipeds with 9 penises?

BSlim - I definitely don't think that what we want is people walking on eggshells afraid to say anything.

At the same time, when someone in this awesome community of ours says something that is sexist or anti-gay, etc., if we just let it slide all the time (and mostly it does slide), then eventually, it will just get worse and worse, and we won't have a community. We'll just have a bunch of hateful folk trying to out-hate each other.

We should be able to point out to each other something that the other person might not have thought of before.

Well, see now that doesn't even make sense.

Forbiddendonut - well, you know how these comment threads can take a crazy turn or 8.

Also, I don't know if Dustin actually attended Cornell. I think he and Mrs. Pajiba-hyphenate went to different law schools, and she's the one who went to Cornell. It was in his law class where greed is good became a theme.

Aha. Therein lies your paradox. I alluded to her being sexually molested. Granted it was by a large arctic mammal, but still. My point is, my original comment was taken entirely out of context. I said nothing sexist. Nothing anti-gay. Nothing championing spousal or domestic abuse.

I used a make believe chcaracter taking physical action against someone else instead of the make believe character he originally beat up. Gordon Gekko is just as imaginary as Rupert, and therefore that comment should be read in the exact same way.

...and now I lose all credibility because I get my handle fields confused. The spam-bots will now assimilate me into their machine.

Robert - actually, I am calm. If I weren't calm, I'd be all yell-y with the all-caps writing and such.

I would certainly hope that no one thinks PissBoy is advocating domestic violence. I do think, however, that it's important not to be too glib about violence against women. Whether it's PissBoy or anybody else (cough*BSlim*cough).

Oh, and speaking of getting all yell-y and caps-locky, PEOPLE BETTER STOP CALLING ME TAM OR THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY. You know, in a sputtering, cursing kind of way.

ooh...fight!

*gets popcorn*

Why does everything I think lead back to figgy's bread?

because it saves lives, buc. Lives.

TK hates everything!

Also: Gordon Gekko is one of the great names in fiction, for all its lizardy connotations, is it not?

figgy - now you're just taunting him! Why don't you crunch popcorn by his ears while you are at it?

I'm trying, really trying, to figure out if this whole thread derailment was one big joke or a just a serious misunderstanding. Tamatha - did you really take what PissBoy said as reference to the domestic violence PSA? I've read again what he wrote and I can't see how the scene he was describing could be confused with Keira Knightley's PSA.

Thanks Kolby. But, I think Tam and i have built a bridge. Except I just called her Tam. Now I'm a dead man. Thank god she doesn't know the control words Rupert will obey. My butt hurts from my wallet being in my back pocket for more than an hour. I'd hate for her to figure out how to sick him on me.

...Tam. :P

PissBoy - now you're just getting personal. :P

Okey dokey - just checking.

Door flies open

I thought I said never to mention that stupid crapass dragon movie EVER AGAIN. And now popcorn?

That. is. IT.

Everyone is going on the list.

I need to know who is responsible for Shia LaBeouf. Who likes this person? Who finds him attractive or interesting. Please advise as I am unmoved by his talents.

I'd blame Disney, greer. He got his start on their "Even Stevens" show. They're pretty much to blame for most things I hate - HSM, Miley Cyrus, Jonas Bros, etc, etc.

Melissa...what's HSM?

TK - It's been so long since you've mentioned your list, I'm kind of happy to see that it's still in force.

PissBoy If you find my favorite stuffed animal from when I was a child and take a picture of it with Rupurt, you might actually upset jM, because it would be a panda, and she'll either be totally traumatized or turned on and jealous.

Oh, and if you run around calling me Tam, then I give you fair warning that I will kick you in the shins. And when you kick me back, the hair on my legs will cushion the blow, 'cause I'm that kind of feminist. :)

I'm late to this, but I agree with Tamatha that this allusion to violence against women is unfunny and offensive. There's a crudity to the language and a sort of delight in the violence that I find unsettling.

I also don't understand what the point is of criticising Sarah Jessica Parker's looks: she is an actor first and foremost, and should surely be rated on that. This conflation of personal dislike and suggestions of violence towards her are a little disturbing, and I'd like to suggest that you probably wouldn't get a woman joking about killing - I don't know - Zac Efron.

I kind of take that point. Kind of: an actor's ugliness is not detrimental to his or her ability to play a part. And the fact is that only the female ones get called out on it the whole time, because of a patriarchal society used to judging women on looks. I don't want to speculate, but I don't imagine the males calling SJP horse-faced on this thread and reserving such vitriol for her are especially beautiful to contemplate, and I don't expect they would expect to be assessed on a physical level. I could be wrong.

For the record, I don't think SJP is particularly great at acting either, but I reserve the right to criticise her for that.

Hey I would have no problem at all beating the living shit out of a lot of male celebrities. Say, Jamie Foxx? Even Zac Efron. I think he's scary-looking.

And if these people sell their looks and images to the public (and make millions out of it), then I have absolutely no qualms about making as much fun of their looks as I want or can. Male or female or alien (Tom Cruise).

I call bullshit on attractiveness not being relevant for men-folk: see Phillip Seymour Hoffman. The man is an amazing actor, but he will never be in a romantic comedy because his "looks" are relevant. Matthew Mc-abs-ohay can't act worth shit, but he is more appropriate than PSH for a romantic comedy, because attractiveness is NECESSARY for that type of a film--unless the premise is girl falls for ugly dude with a great personality.

As for SJP (believe it or not started out in films as the "sexy one"), the types of movies she still does necessarily require an attractive girl. IF she's not attractive then that ISrelevant to the movie. If she can't act that also is relevant, but both can be criticized independently.

I think perhaps what you were thinking Caspar is that there does seem to be a double standard in hollywood that if you are a good looking actress you most likely can't also act. While such a presumption doesn't apply to men, e.g., Brad Pitt doesn't get questioned on his acting because of his attractiveness while lady X does.

While this to a certain extent is true, I think that isn't really a problem given the existence of: Natalie Portman, Scarlett Johanson, etc.
AND that movies call for more "attractive filler" that really can't act, as their purpose is to look good on screen--all those case by michael bay.

*fist-bumps figgy, dreams of ugly-bumping figgy*

I forgot that Micheal Douglas used to be quite hot...I mean, check it up there...for once he really looks like his dad to me. It was the Basic Instinct bum that ruined it for me.

Caspar, Kathy Bates is not an attractive woman who is nevertheless a respected (in my mind, at least) actor, and a check shows she's still getting plenty of roles. Frances McDormand is, I think, kinda quirkily attractive but certainly no beauty. Queen Latifah is, to be blunt, fat. Most soap operas have some matriarch character who is a mainstay forever (Mrs. , watches "One Life to Live"; on there it's Erika Slezack).

"I bet it's also women at the supermarket and on the news and at work."

Well, of course. I check out chicks on the street and at work and do a mental evaluation (and please don't tell me women never check out guys). The difference is, I'm not going to come to a public forum like this and call someone I work with ugly, because she is not a public figure and because there are laws about defamation (not that I'd do it if there weren't). I keep it to myself, or to the occasional conversation over beers with (male) co-workers. But then it's like, "I think so-and-so is really pretty," not "I think so-and-so is really ugly."

HOWEVER, it's also true nobody I work with assaults me with her face when I'm leafing through a magazine or flipping channels. You put your face out there for public consumption, be prepared to take what comes.

I would agree with you that women probably do get "shunted" out of the work force, but I don't think that it is necessarily unfair, as a MAJORITY of movie roles are written for "attractive females." You may think that is bad, but blame the writers, or, better yet America who apparently doesn't want to look at ugly people.

More importantly, I would not be remotely offended if some girl "criticized" my looks, because I know for a fact that most girls care about attractiveness as much as men do. Perhaps, they don't speak out about it in pissboy terms, but I would find it very difficult to believe that you wouldn't notice if a guy is really good looking or ugly at the grocery store, just like a man would.

Looks are a relevant attribute for both sexes and both sexes notice, criticize, and judge people based on them. I just don't think it is fair to say it is a man thing. I would maybe concede that women are more likely to move past looks to see something else, but that doesn't mean they don't notice it in the first place!

woohoo! I'm a long time lurker, and finally saw my chance for some attention. I attacked the three most frequent commenters on this post and got a response addressing me!!! I now exist on the internets!!! AHAHAHAHAH. I don't even care about your stupid views!!

And "robert" is not my real name!!! You're all losers for being manipulated by me....back to my hentai....