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Nolan No Joker

By Cindy Davis | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (41)



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Speaking to Empire Magazine in a new interview about his upcoming (ultra cool!) film Inception, Christopher Nolan has definitively stated that the Joker will not be recast or appear in Batman 3. Although he hasn’t said much about which villains might pop up in the next installment, he has also ruled out Mr. Freeze.

I’ve got to say I’m relieved by the Joker news; Ledger left his indelible imprint behind and I feel like we should move on to other foes. After Nolan runs through a few of these films and moves on to Superman, I”m sure somebody’s grandkid will start the franchise all over again and maybe then they can think about a recast.

Let the Sunday griping (or cheering) begin!









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Comments

I had an amazing idea for the Riddler already anyway.

I just need Chris to call me.

Srsly Nolan.

Posted by: Nadine at June 6, 2010 3:06 PM

Tennant, right?

Posted by: Jay at June 6, 2010 3:12 PM

Holy shnikees is that a relief. Although, to be honest, I never expected less from Nolan.

Posted by: LolaMonster at June 6, 2010 3:13 PM

I thought the idea of Ryan Reynolds was a good one. A good Riddler that is.

Philip Seymour Hoffman for the Penguin was another.

That rumor of Rachel Weisz for Catwoman left me kind of meh.

I also remember the rumor that Eddie Murphy was going to be the Riddler.

I'm glad he ruled out Mr. Freeze. Fuck that guy.

I know its lame but I would love to see Killer Croc.

Bane is always a possibility, as is Poison Ivy. Wouldn't it be awesome if they have that bad guy who really is a Bat-Man?

Posted by: DeistBrawler at June 6, 2010 3:15 PM

A couple of people have imagined Michael Emerson doing it too.

Posted by: Jay at June 6, 2010 3:17 PM

Any villan would be fine so long as they stick to just one. Every one of these series jumps the shark when they go to two or more bad guys.

Posted by: EricD at June 6, 2010 3:18 PM

Nah Jay, Paul Bettany in a dark, dark bottle green suit.

I literally have a whole plot which includes Bane as played by whatsisname Tiny from Dark Knight but I cant repeat it here...too many of my ideas get stolen

Posted by: Nadine at June 6, 2010 3:19 PM

Philip Seymour Hoffman as the Penguin and, I dunno, Buscemi or Michael Emerson as the Joker. Or Paul Bettany, if you want his weirdness to be less...obvious.

With Bats outta town and the mob falling apart, Oswald Cobblepot begins reforming the criminal underground while still running the Iceberg Lounge on a legit level (an interesting counterpoint to Bruce Wayne's double life) while the Riddler begins setting up elaborate murders all around the city, with clues and hints that blame the now-vilified Batman, forcing Brucie to return.

I dunno where it goes from there, but that's the idea I had.

Posted by: Kyle at June 6, 2010 3:37 PM

Nadine, I'm totally down with Bettany as the Joker in a pretty green suit, even if I'm all in love with Tennant. I remember when he was one of the rumored possibilities for Joker, and I was so bummed he didn't get it before I realized that Ledger was an inspired choice that wouldn't disappoint.

But can we avoid the obvious villains like Penguin and Riddler? Part of why I loved Batman Begins was the use of less prominent ones like Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul.

Posted by: AnnieKar at June 6, 2010 4:00 PM

Am I the only one who thinks Michael Emerson would be a better (kick-ass) Penguin?

Posted by: apocalipstick at June 6, 2010 4:16 PM

I'm totally down with Bettany as the Joker in a pretty green suit

No no no, we're talking Riddler here.

Also, no, not him.

Posted by: Jay at June 6, 2010 4:41 PM

Actually maybe it was Penguin I saw people wish-casting Emerson in.

Posted by: Jay at June 6, 2010 4:42 PM

Why not Harley Quinn?
She's a doctor at Arkham, who falls in love with Joker. Joker dies in an escape attempt, Harley becomes obsessed and creates her copycat persona with the goal of destroying Batman.
You could cast Nicki Clyne.

Posted by: Gaius at June 6, 2010 4:47 PM

Awhile back I thought I heard Johnny Depp's name for The Riddler, which could be a very good choice.

Posted by: taylor at June 6, 2010 4:52 PM

Or Hugh Jackman as Black Mask, haha.

Posted by: Gaius at June 6, 2010 4:52 PM

Harley Quinn as a Joker-obsessed copycat nutjob.

Played by: Amanda Seyfried.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/amanda%20Seyfried./bastardlybutta/bastardly-photos/album10/amanda_seyfried_12110701.jpg

You know this is perfect.


Also, Christopher Nolan had stated that he doesn't care for the less believable villians like Killer Croc, so Mr. Freeze is right out.

Riddler is a definite possibility, but I'll bet they'll go with Catwoman. Suggestions for casting HER? 'Cause my Seyfried-Quinn is flawless.

Just like my Dr. Strange/Dr. House idea.

Posted by: AmbroseKalifornia at June 6, 2010 5:17 PM

'Cause my Seyfried-Quinn is flawless.

Too bad she sucks as an actress. Christian Bale would destroy her face with one punch. That mug would be a catastrophe.

I'm not a big huge Riddler fan as I think he's too close to the Joker after TDK. Crazy plots? Vague murders with odd clues? We just did that.

The Penguin bringing together all the mob types, wiping the leadership out in one move and taking the city over? That might do.

We still haven't had an all out war for Gotham yet, and I think that's where the progression goes. In Bats Begins, you had The Narrows going apeshit. In TDK, you almost got the kind of chaos the Joker was after, but not quite.

With the mob reeling after the loss of all their money, and the deaths of Marrone, Black Dynamite, and the Russian guy with the poochies, there should be a big vacuum left. And now that the cops are gonna be after Bats like a fly on shit, there's room to start up again.

Enter the Penguin. Yeah, Nolan will probably add in a secondary villain to occupy us with the first half the of the movie, but I doubt that character would turn into the kind of "double-team" garbage we saw with the original movie version of Two-Face/Riddles.

We've seen Bats try to "cleanse" Gotham and fail twice. It's going to take something massive to get the kind of city-wide retribution that Nolan will hopefully go far. And at the end, I don't think he kills Bruce, as the studio probably won't allow it, but I'd look for Gordon to become a bigger figure, and a friend to Bruce.

It is said that Nolan is ending his run with this film, as I think he could do a great job placing a "venom"-less Bane into his world. I wouldn't even put it past him to do something right with Azrael. Yes, the comic character sucked, but what if the Sacred Order of Saint Dumas was used as a foil against The League of Shadows? I'd rather seen a Batman copycat with a more brutal methodology than a teenage Robin. Then with some good writing you could have Bane, Talia, Azrael, and a shit-kicked Bruce in one story.

Oh wellz.

Posted by: D-Day at June 6, 2010 5:52 PM

I love how this topic has brought out everyone's fan fiction-writing inner geek.

Posted by: Case at June 6, 2010 6:26 PM

D-Day, I actually think a venomless-Bane is a great idea. People forget that when Bane came on the scene he wasn't just a brute thug; he was a brilliant gangster as well. He organized an onslaught of attacks on Batman in order to wear him down. He runs him through a gauntlet before literally breaking him.

Nolan is great with complete arcs. I have no doubt that he would be able to construct a story where Bruce is ground down until he's finally broken by Bane, and then has to heal and overcome his injuries to return and defeat the enemy.

Although, the movies are pretty grounded and in real life it's pretty tough to recover from a broken back.

So yeah, Bane would be cool.

And you know what else? I don't even think Cher as catwoman is a terrible idea. Yeah, I said it.

Posted by: superasente at June 6, 2010 7:12 PM

Rudy Giuliani in drag as a super villain?

Posted by: The Wanderer at June 6, 2010 7:20 PM

And you know what else? I don't even think Cher as catwoman is a terrible idea. Yeah, I said it.

Wouldn't that be Catgramma?

Posted by: logan at June 6, 2010 7:27 PM

D-Day, we're of the same mind. Obviously there's a power vacuum in Gotham's underworld. Someone like The Penguin could just stroll in.

That said, I kind of liked the idea of The Penguin as nothing more than a secret underworld arms and information dealer -- a man who benefits from the chaos around him but doesn't get his hands/fins dirty directly. In that scenario, Batman may even have to turn to him to track down whoever the main baddie is and The Penguin remains in the background as a possible 4th movie villain.

As for doing The Joker, the only way I think you should do it (if at all) is to have the character in shadows at Arkham Asylum and have Mark Hamill voice him. Don't have someone else try to do Ledger's Joker. That's cheap.

Posted by: Fredo at June 6, 2010 7:56 PM

We can skip the broke back and still bust Bruce up pretty bad.

We are just a little short on the villains that can fit within a Nolan movie; I'm sure he won't go for someone lesser like Holiday or Clayface (who used to scare the shit out of me).

Harley Quinn would be cool, but I don't know how you could do that without the Joker. And I think Nolan reveres Ledger's performance too much, though he probably could pull someone ridiculous out of his hat (Daniel Day-Lewis) just for a few in-prison scenes. He just won't do it.

We haven't really touched on how the story could come full circle with an appearance by Talia Al-Ghul yet, and I'd keep an eye on that.

I'm gonna go write my Bane-Talia-Azrael script now anyway :p

Posted by: D-Day at June 6, 2010 8:42 PM

Oh, definitely a wise idea not to bring back Joker. I love whoever suggested David Tennant as Riddler. Problem is, that might come off as a little too campy for Nolan's take on the franchise.

Glad he didn't go for Mr. Freeze either. Like Ledger owned the Joker role, Schwarzenegger - for better or for worse - owned that one. It would be a strange form of sacrilege to recast that one.

At least for me, as I never read the comics.

Posted by: vic at June 6, 2010 9:18 PM

Brittany Murphy would have been a pitch perfect Harley Quinn. Shoot! I just gave myself the sads:(

Posted by: Elise at June 6, 2010 11:17 PM

I want Aisha Tyler to be Catwoman. I've wanted this for at least a year. That is all.

Posted by: Intern Rusty at June 6, 2010 11:28 PM

The perfect character would be HUSH. If anyone's read the more recent run of batman comics, he is a deadly serious foe. A great contrast to the Joker's extremes. Plus, he is simply a new character that would surprise the audience.

But I really like the idea of Penguin sweeping into the city to fill the vacuum left after the deaths of three major crime bosses.

Also, a fucking. hot. catwoman would be enjoyable. Even if it would feel completely out of wack with that "reality based" world they've created.

Posted by: adam at June 7, 2010 12:07 AM

HARLEY QUINN DAMN IT ALL!

Posted by: Kelly at June 7, 2010 12:39 AM

Seyfreid for Harley is an inspired choice.

Weitz for Catwoman sucks, she is way too bland. I'd rather see someone like Kate Winslet be given the chance. I want someone who would really sink their teeth into the role, Kate can be dark. Weitz, not so much.

Everyone knows Angelina Jolie is the perfect Catwoman, she is the only person that could come close to Pfeiffer's untouchable turn.

Eddie Murphy for riddler is an interesting choice. Jim Carrey as a toned down, darker Riddler would also be cool. Ryan Reynolds is already too many super heros, seriously leave him out of this.

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Posted by: Mebe at June 7, 2010 3:27 AM

I just want to add, I am all for crossing color barriers with superhero casting. I see no reason why Spiderman or Catwoman can't be black.

I was actually excited about Halley Berry being Catwoman, well, until that pictures of that shitastic costume hit the web. I knew then that the people writing the script didn't respect the character or the source material. Seriously fuck that movie.

Posted by: Mebe at June 7, 2010 3:31 AM

JGL as Riddler.

There. You're all welcome.

Posted by: Daniel Hall at June 7, 2010 5:45 AM

Continuing the acronym scheme: How about NPH as Riddler?

Posted by: FabMax at June 7, 2010 8:05 AM

I'm sorry...isn't it Two-Face's turn? Harvey Dent went all evil after his burn at the end of Dark Knight, so wouldn't it make sense that he's the next villian? Or did I miss something?

Posted by: Whorish Mouth at June 7, 2010 10:02 AM

This is good news, as far as I'm concerned. It would have been good news if Ledger had survived to reprise the role.

As for future villains - I do hope Nolan sticks to characters which can be integrated in a believable manner. A Riddler side story as the catalyst for Batman's return to Gotham would be interesting and if done as in "Batman: Arkham Asylum" it could be played without even introducing the character, avoiding a cheese factor.

Harley Quinn would be an interesting choice, as she's never been featured in the live action movies and has definitely become one of the more interesting characters over the years. The difficulty, though, would be selling her backstory without introducing the Joker. Particularly in light of defining the time frame between The Dark Knight and "Batman 3".

Posted by: lubeg at June 7, 2010 10:36 AM

who is this director? what is Batman? what is the Dark Knight? in fact ,about what did every one write here?

Posted by: caro at June 7, 2010 10:41 AM

I'm sorry...isn't it Two-Face's turn? Harvey Dent went all evil after his burn at the end of Dark Knight, so wouldn't it make sense that he's the next villian? Or did I miss something?

Just that he died at the end of Dark Knight.

The Riddler as a psychological thriller villain makes sense, given Nolan's penchant for playing with those themes -- Memento, Insomnia.

Catwoman, otoh, makes no sense given the "realism" that Nolan wants in these movies. Talia Al-Ghoul works better as a female foil/love interest.

Posted by: Fredo at June 7, 2010 11:10 AM

fuck all y'all's noize!

JGL as firefly.
ben kingsley as the ventriloquist
buscemi as the mad hatter
michael rooker as zsasz


done. and done.

Posted by: gp at June 7, 2010 11:21 AM

Riddler is too predictable for the next villain, especially since most of these posts seem to think he's the natural next fit. I disagree. Nolan has said that he intends to make the next Batman his last and to close the story (for his franchise at least). I am new to the world of comic books and just recently purchased my second; Gotham City Sirens. I came across an idea while reading one that seems a no-brainer considering what Nolan has done before;

Talia al ghul

The daughter of Ra's al ghul, she is also the only other woman besides Catwoman with whom Bruce Wayne fell in love. Bringing in the daughter of the first-film's villan makes perfect sense and ties the films into a solid trilogy. Plus the fact that Rachel was killed makes Talia's love interest with Bruce/Batman the obvious choice.

Posted by: DennistheGreat at June 7, 2010 12:39 PM

Screw believability, I want to see Clayface up on the big screen.

Posted by: FOUND at June 7, 2010 5:49 PM

Did he die? I do not remember him actually dying. Huh. I think I have to watch DK again.

Posted by: Whorish Mouth at June 8, 2010 10:58 AM

I adore the commentary on this site, it definitely gives it that community experience!

Posted by: RA at January 5, 2011 7:38 PM