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Jon Favreau Has Some Ideas for Iron Man's Next Foe

By TK | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (27)



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Now that I’ve seen Iron Man 2, I’m a little more qualified to talk about it, and I must say I agree with Dustin’s assertion that Mickey Rourke’s Whiplash/Ivan Vanko wasn’t… quite right. He was a solid villain, but still seemed somehow underused. Given that there was only about 15 minutes of actual direct conflict with Iron Man, he seemed a somewhat anemic foil. Same Rockwell’s excellent portrayal of Justin Hammer was the greater villain, and even he was portrayed as a little bit… goofy.

This question of who the best villain choice is for Iron Man is a tough one. The first one had Jeff Bridges as Obidiah Stane/Iron Monger, but once again, the actual fighting was reduced to a rushed finale. Iron Man needs a nemesis. My hope is that Hammer will be used in the next film as a sort of behind-the-scenes mastermind with less buffoonery, but he still needs a real villain to fight. Jon Favreau apparently has some ideas, but there’s a bit of a catch. He recently told MTV:

You have to do The Mandarin…The problem with The Mandarin is, the way it’s depicted in the comic books, you don’t want to see that. He also has 10 magical rings, and it just doesn’t feel right for our thing, so it’s either tech-based or the rings are not really rings…But maybe with ‘Thor’ and all those others you’ll introduce magic to that world and it won’t seem so out of place.

He’s right — The Mandarin doesn’t quite fit into the universe he’s created thus far. The Iron Man movies are a bit like the Batman films in that they’re very grounded in technology and the “real” world — none of the alien races or magic or mutants that flood the rest of the Marvel universe. And The Mandarin is particularly prickly because his earlier origins are… well… there’s a wee bit too much stereotyping. I mean, he’s called The Mandarin. It’s only a couple of steps removed from having a villain called The Oriental or The Asian.

That said, he’s a pretty great villain and could be fantastic if used properly. A direct descendant of Genghis Khan, he’s trained in combat and is a scientific genius who uses a combination of magic and alien technology to subjugate his people and take on Iron Man numerous times. He invents giant, ass-kicking robots. He’s not just a villain, but a conqueror, which is a fitting foe for someone like Favreau’s Iron Man, who is reasonably anti-government and a man invested in creating world peace, as he claims in the recent film.

It’s not an insurmountable problem. Much like Iron Monger and Whiplash, the names of the enemies are never even given in the films, and The Mandarin could be no different, if that’s the sticking point. Iron Man needs his Joker, and The Mandarin may well be the solution. Also? I hereby nominate Ken Watanabe.

(Source: Slashfilm)









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Comments

They touched on it in the first movie; the terrorist militia that kidnapped him was called "The Ten Rings." It actually felt like a nice little wink to the fans.

I hope they can pull it off, somehow. I wouldn't mind at all seeing The Mandarin made more current and relevant.

Posted by: superasente at May 11, 2010 11:05 AM

Excellent choice of actor, TK. But they'll give it to Rain.

Posted by: admin at May 11, 2010 11:08 AM

If Ken Watanabe can't do it due to scheduling conflicts I nominate Lucy Liu.

Posted by: SB at May 11, 2010 11:08 AM

RAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIINNNN!!!!!

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at May 11, 2010 11:33 AM

@SB: I'll see your Lucy Liu and raise you a Michelle Yeoh.

There's another angle to the IM3 stakes, isn't there? With The Avengers forming, both as movie and in IM's world, why would he need to take on any foe single-handedly? It works for comics, in that the storylines are written for a solo adventure, or an arc that sees another hero join forces, or an established group doing its thing - just look at the title on the cover, right?

But Marvel is establishing that all these characters are inhabiting the same world at the same time... So, bringing on The Mandarin with his magic powers and whatnot could be accomplished, but that villain must know that he'll be in conflict with more than just Iron Man. And Iron Man would know that he'd have backup if any one villain was too great to handle...

Or maybe I'm just thinking too hard about this.

Posted by: malikvlc at May 11, 2010 11:33 AM

Would Chow Yun-Fat be a possibility?

Posted by: Dangerous Dave at May 11, 2010 11:37 AM

Solution? Blizzard. His whole (modern version) schtick is an obsession with cryogenics and immortality. If that's not a kooky science/tech villain, I don't know what is. Actually, that probably would have worked better for this film, since he and Tony Stark would both be racing against death for ill and for good, respectively.

If you want a Joker for the Iron Man universe, then the best choice is Ghost. A corporate saboteur who hates (hates!) everything about big technology companies. Plus, he's a demolition expert. Favreau clearly likes making everything explode (Pepper Potts in the next film?) and this gives him a legitimate excuse. And if he wants multiple villains again, he can toss out Spymaster to slow down and stupefy the screenplay. Which allows for the integration of Bethany Cabe for an alternate love interest to Pepper Potts. That gives them, what? 4 plot lines. Perfect. It'll be just as poorly constructed as 2, then.

Though I can't be the only one who wants Fin Fang Foom, right?

Posted by: Robert at May 11, 2010 11:40 AM

Fin Fang Foom vs. the Midgard Serpent. Face front and make it happen, Marvel. The MMMS has spoken.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at May 11, 2010 11:45 AM

Why cant the Mandarin be used? Unless the plot is he finds the rings of power while he's making sweet and sour chicken for his all you can eat buffet I think it will work.

Posted by: logan at May 11, 2010 11:51 AM

Optimus- you took the bitter cry right out of my mouth.

On the other hand, though, Hammer in this one was a kinda camp villian. I bet if they used Rain, he'd be the same way (OK, less happy and more "I am shooting you sexy glares", but still camp).

Posted by: esme at May 11, 2010 12:09 PM

um, I recognize that the whole Rain suggestion was probably a joke. This was one of those times when I probably should have used my "sarcastic playing along" punctuation mark.

Posted by: esme at May 11, 2010 12:10 PM

Went to see 2 last night and had a blast. It was a helluva lot better than what I expected after reading the slamming it got from some of you here.

Surprisingly, I think Rockwell (one of my favorite actors) was the dud of the group.

Rourke was simple and could have used more time and development but felt more "real" than Rockman.

Great movie, IMHO.

Posted by: Fuel at May 11, 2010 12:41 PM

Tracer Bullet, I'm pulling for a Fin Fang Four film, myself.

Posted by: Robert at May 11, 2010 12:53 PM

The two things that happened after "Heroes Return" back in old days was that the IM armor gained sentience for a brief period, which was an awesome story arch, and there was this cult called the "sons of Yinsen" which appeared as the asiatic disciples of Iron Man's ally when he was trapped in the first place when he built the aromor.

Neither can be perfected since Yinsen wasn't trapped with Stark in the first picture, and the limits of a rogue AI in cinema are well-documented, but those were cool stories. FWIW, I think that they need to get closer to the "ultimates" incarnations of these characters to keep the cinematic steam going.

Posted by: hater from siloam springs at May 11, 2010 1:17 PM

Can we stay away from a Japanese fella as the MANDARIN. (Much as I love Watanabe-san)

There are plenty of great Chinese actors available.

You ready for this?

Tony Leung.

I dare you to do better. That casting was too easy.

Posted by: D-Day at May 11, 2010 1:18 PM

I see your Tony and raise you a Jordan Chan. Actually Donny Yen, Anthony Wong, or Mark Dacascos might be a better fit though.

Posted by: Adam C at May 11, 2010 1:42 PM

I re-raise that by saying (with the exception of Wong) none of those guys have anywhere near the ability of Tony Leung. Dacoscos is too busy ruining Iron Chef's legacy. Wong is pretty good though, I'll give you that.

Leung could easily go toe-to-toe with RDJ. He kills it everything.

Actually, in a roundabout bit of thinking, I had another interesting idea.

What if Yinsen was The Mandarin? What if he learned Stark's tech while building the original Iron Man suit? You never actually see him get shot in the first one (which I'm sure is due to violence and the film's MPAA rating) and he is a self-confessed polyglot and doctor/scientist/capable man.

The real problem with the last one is that, more than anything, you couldn't keep the fanboys away from that casting information. P.S. If I were a Hollywood director I would intentionally screw with the internet and take photos of mis-leading castings and altered scenes. Sure it probably wouldn't work, but sooner or later someone is gonna do it.

Posted by: D-Day at May 11, 2010 1:56 PM

"Fin Fang Foom vs. the Midgard Serpent"
Didn't one of the Simonson issues of Thor show that Fin Fang Foom was the Midgard Serpent?

Was Paste Pot Pete ever an Iron Man foe ?

Posted by: Pat C at May 11, 2010 4:01 PM

Dacascos was the star of the greatest American made HK style movie, Drive. He would make an awesome Mandarin. Actually Yuen Biao would be good as well.

Posted by: Adam C at May 11, 2010 8:09 PM

Alright, I've put Drive in the queue. And I almost forgot he was Mani Brotherhood of the Wolf. Sure the role required about 4 lines of dialogue, but that one's still in my favs.

BUT we're still talking about someone having to go up against RDJ. I'm still not going to trust the guy from Dancing with the Stars and Iron Chef America. This is gonna take an actor.

Tony Leung is an awesome actor. Lust, Caution, Hero, and Red Cliff.

THIS IS NOT A ROLE FOR A KUNG FU FIGHTING. It is a role for an actor. This should be more Hans Landa than Jet Li. Please keep that in mind.

Posted by: D-Day at May 11, 2010 10:01 PM

Pat C, I have that issue (as well as the entire Simonson run on Thor), and I can tell you that the Midgard Serpent was masquerading as the Fing Fang Foom. They're not the same entity.

Posted by: Oroboros at May 11, 2010 10:24 PM

Just do a crossover and make it Lo Pan!!!!

Lo Pan: Shut up, Mr. Burton! You are not brought upon this world to 'get it'!

Posted by: Mike at May 11, 2010 11:11 PM

"Fin Fang Four," is that when a giant lizard eats Jessica Alba?

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at May 12, 2010 9:43 AM

Ooh, now that superasente pointed out the "Ten Rings" connection from the first film, my mind is buzzing with ideas!

Particularly, the Ten Rings militia that captured Stark could be just the tip of the iceberg in a worldwide organization poised to take over the world, and led (from the shadows, of course) by a mysterious figure known only as "The Mandarin."

I'm getting shivers!

Posted by: Wonkey The Monkey at May 12, 2010 11:48 AM

The nerds knew it was the Ten Rings the first time we saw it.

But it was a good touch.

Posted by: D-Day at May 12, 2010 4:49 PM

Thanks, Oroboros. I still have that issue but I have a couple thousand unorganized comics to go through to find it.

Posted by: Pat C at May 12, 2010 7:04 PM

I must go all comic nerd for a moment: the Mandarin's rings were alien artifacts, not magic. He found a crashed spacecraft that used the rings as a power source and was a gifted enough scientist to figure out how they worked and adapt them into weapons.

Posted by: Craig at May 13, 2010 9:07 PM