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I just hope after the millions of blog posts, debates and advertising/promotion for these movies that I'm at least entertained by the drama on screen.

Hey, nice rack there on Peggy Carter. That shit is real!

Joss Whedon started out as a 'script doctor' and worked on movies like Speed, Toy Story (credit), and X-Men. His main strength is writing IMO, so it's good he'll get final say over the script.

I also think Captain America is similar to Cyclops, which Joss did a great job writing for in Astonishing X-Men. He'll hopefully do a good job of writing him as an all American hero feeling the weight of responsibility on his shoulders.

It seems like Marvel are putting real faith in his writing abilities which can only be a good thing. Whedon is always best when writing ensemble pieces (which all his shows have been). The more I think about, the more I think Marvel have got it right hiring him for their flagship movie.

My only reason for caution is the way he got shafted with Wonder Women. However, I think this movie is almost a guaranteed financial success. It doesn't take much to make a movie about 5+ established superheroes exciting...

This is going to be so good! He's absolutely perfect for this project. And I say that not because he's perfect for everything (which he is...duh) but because his dialogue is always stellar and he'll take out any hidden religious implications in the movie and you're right, The Astonishing X-Men was awesome. Anyway, SO. EXCITED.

Sickening. Now Captain America gets turned into a whiny, camp unable to do anything without a woman to give direction and we get a film with 'look at me, I'm Joss Whedon' cornball quips.

Great.

Learn from DC's bravery, dump this commerical flop before he brings down the Marvel franchise.

I find it sad that a character with as much rich history as America, with such fine writers workign at Marvel as Faction, Brubaker, Mayberry, and Hickman, the best they can do for a writer is a man with massive mommy issues whose prone to temper tantrums.

Typical boneheaded Joe Q move.

I am honestly ecstatic that a creator who not only does good material in genre work, but also LOVES genre work, is the one being given the handles on this project. And this is one HELL of a project. Like it was said before, this is the first time several franchises are being made with the purpose of culminating them in crossover, it's a titanic feat.

One thing I'm looking forward to is that Whedon's rewrite of Cap will result in more screentime for his WWII adventures, something that should NEVER be glossed over. Cap is who he is because of WWII: his appreciation for human life and desire to protect and lead are a result of his first-hand experience of the brutality of WWII.

I'm still kinda iffy about Evans as Cap, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt: he's a decent actor and he WAS by far the best part about the Fantastic Four movies, he friggin' NAILED The Human Torch. Hell, his respect for the material might actually make us see a much deeper and human performance from him than ever before.

This sounds fantastic! I'm excited about that Captain America bit because I feel like there should be an even more tighter bond between both CA and The Avengers movies... well, this makes sense in my mind but yeah, I have faith in him and I'm sure he'll bring it.

This bears the unfamiliar stink of Hollywood doing something right.

Make Iron Man believable? Wealthy arms dealer develops extremely tiny and powerful energy source...and makes a flying armored suit.
Ok, they pulled that off. Only downside was a cliche final banter battle.

Make the Hulk believable? Dude irradiates himself into suffering uncontrollable mutation into giant green wrestler.
Second time around, this felt fairly serviceable.

Make Captain America believable? Yeah, it's possible. Enhanced WWII super soldier gets frozen and then thaws out today. They'll probably get that figured out.

That just leaves them one Norse god (or about...um...97% of their suspension of disbelief effort) remaining.

*headbadger*

Skull's just flat-out evil. But a liberal douche like Whedon as well as being crappy at characterisation has to try and 'understand everyone'.
Ugh.
Posted by: John at April 15, 2010 9:39 AM

I know this is just some dude trolling to get people mad, and, as Dustin pointed out, it's three dudes as one, but seriously, I've heard this argument before about Whedon and other directors, and it never ceases to piss me off.

Sigh. And here I was, all excited that he'd JUST be directing, so his sitcom dialogue wouldn't get in the way of my ability to enjoy the movie. Oh well.

Thankfully, I was never a huge Marvel fan to begin with, so I won't be all that bummed about missing out.

Let me be the first to say that “Captain America” will be a complete failure.

Yes. You are the first to say it.

"Tea bagger?"

What, the script has leaked already? Now we know that The Cap will be tea bagging Iron Man? Interesting character choice. Will Whedon's "scrubbing" add Rachel Weisz appreciating the view and herself, or is that too much to hope for?

'sente you left out "hypocritical psychopaths" in my description. Vegan antismoking health obsessed mass murderers are both quirky and terrifying. One of Whedon's writing talents is to make you think the big bad is engaging and entertaining just before they do something horrific.

Not surprised by this. He did really good work in Astonishing X-Men and the Runaway's, so makes sense that they choose him to rewrite these movies. Good decision Marvel.

I maintain that Adam Baldwin would be awesome as Captain America. If they need to have a younger man for the early Steve, I recommend the actor who recently played the younger Colonel John Casey in 'Chuck', with Adam as the post transformation maturer Cappy.

first: I hope that Joss does great for Marvel. have been a fan of his for a long time and think that he can pull it off. Serenity is an amazing film and he did that from the ground up...so piss off to those that thinks that he cant.

Also, the chick in that picture......huge boobs. I'm just sayin

D-Day, I'm just about to start Buffy (once I finish Quantum Leap). I'm actually very eager. If the cast on that show has half the dynamic as on Firefly, it should be quite the run. Actually, yours is the first desenting (sp?) voice I've heard. Everyone else I know (like EVERYONE -- even my sober, unimaginative sister) loves it. I'm trying not to go in with too high of expectations, though, so I actually appreciate your input. Frankly, I don't know how he could out-do his effort on "Firefly." The show was short-lived, but wonderful. I agree with your entire summary.
Posted by: superasente at April 15, 2010 4:05 PM

Superasente, just be aware, the first season is pretty bad. I mean, downright BAAAAD. It picks up gradually as it goes along.

I don't know if you guys follow the rest of the interweb, but you've gained infamous reputation and pissed a whole lot of geeks off with this information.

"Anyway, I think this "Pajiba" site is BS
by Tall_Boy66 Apr 15th, 2010
10:11:12 PM
Just cause I never heard of it and it has a silly name. seems like wishfull thinking to me, but a Whedon pass on Avengers wouldn't surprise me. Captain America would, just because it has to start shooting damn soon."

"Now, Pajiba is reporting that Marvel is talking to Whedon about re-working the "Captain America" script as well, in order to have the film transition better to "The Avengers."

"We reported a few days ago that Joss Whedon
is in final talks to direct the long-awaited superhero ensemble film The Avengers and now it seems he might be scripting another upcoming Marvel film. Pajiba is reporting that Whedon will also be doing a script polish on Captain America: The First Avenger."

"This item comes from Pajiba, which funnily enough just took a swipe at yours truly the other day for running that Logan Lerman-as-Spidey rumor/story. That's O.K., Pajiba, I won't hold it against you! Anyway, here's the exact quote from their Whedon rumor/story:"

"It's also not a surprise that Whedon is taking a pass at the existing AVENGERS draft -- he's a writer first and foremost, after all. But Pajiba hears that he'll also probably be tapping at the script for CAPTAIN AMERICA (THE FIRST AVENGER!)."

Everywhere. You guys are now everywhere. You're blog trends from the bunk should've been a meta concentration on yourselves.

For those of you who are too busy slobbering over everything Whedon, I point out the following:

1) Every show he's ever done has been cancelled.
2) His writing on Astonishing X-Men was abhorrent.
3) X-Men 3
4) Alien: Resurrection.

This Avengers movie will make Alien look like Citizen Kane in comparison.

This movie will suck. Whedon has his skills, but putting him on this is like having Tarantino on a chick flick. You could do it, but it would be stupid.

Serenity is Exhibit A on why Whedon can only write for chicks and gay men: the love interest is a literal whore. Who cares about McCabe and Mrs. Miller in Space? There's a reason revisionist Westerns are forgotten: they suck.

Captain America requires no irony, no pop culture quips, no quirkiness, and a sense of tremendous fear, danger, and stupendous sacrifice. Think Band of Brothers, brutal because the enemy was indeed, far more brutal than could be imagined.

Add in the guaranteed feminist idiocy (lemme see now, who was it that stormed the Normandy beaches, feminists or average Joes) and both the Whedon script for Captain America and the Avengers Movie will suck donkey balls.

Whedon's never had a commercial hit, nor shown any interest or ability to write for a male audience, or indeed any understanding of the CLASSIC comic book characters (his run on X-Men confirms that). All of his stuff is about Hollywood minor nobility that seeks to be way cooler than "suits" and run things himself. With a heaping dose of PC dogma, and so on.

Whedon on a small budget, niche movie like Nick and Nora's Infinite Playlist, about self-absorbed yuppies in hip urban areas? That's his wheelhouse.

A story of WWII duty and sacrifice, for the sake of America? Please, not only does Whedon like all Hollywood-ites not have much of a patriotic bent, he wouldn't understand it. It would be like the glitterati not understanding why anyone would have a problem with Roman Polanski.

I could well believe something this stupid -- it sounds like Citi and Washington Mutual doubling down on CDOs, or ESPN betting heavy on World Cup Soccer (but without Spanish language broadcast rights).

Captain America is bottom line a guy who sees evil (don't forget Timely Comics had Cap punching out Hitler a year before America entered the War, to the hatred of the German-American Bund), and has great sacrifice to fight it, not entirely on his own, but as a leader of men. Not a hip, nihilistic Alpha Male. Heck he's an Iowa farm-boy. He's Captain Ed Winters, with minor superpowers. Whedon's the kind of guy who would think Captain Sobel not Winters was the hero.

I'm sure there will be (Dollhouse, Serenity) a prostitute in this movie, and one (Serenity, Buffy) "romantic" rape scene.

"For those of you who are too busy slobbering over everything Whedon, I point out the following:

1) Every show he's ever done has been cancelled.
2) His writing on Astonishing X-Men was abhorrent.
3) X-Men 3
4) Alien: Resurrection.

This Avengers movie will make Alien look like Citizen Kane in comparison. "

Posted by: M&M at April 16, 2010 8:17 PM

Get your facts right - D-Day good on you for clearing this up!!! Don't post if you don't get your facts right!!

Goddamn there's always some haters. Just can't satisfy some people. It could have been worse than Joss Whedon, assholes. A whole lot fucking worse. It could have been that Ratner fuck. Even Micheal Bay would be better than him. It's like Kenneth Branaugh directing Thor. That should be ME but I'm not gonna get too worked up about that because Kenneth Branaugh is better than, again, that Ratner fuck. He was in Braveheart right?

Whoever is in charge of The Pacific should be directing Captain America. That shit is fucking tense. One question, how is Chris Evans gonna play a skinny little geek before the serum?

Ooohh...I can do that too.

I realize despite enthusiasts support there are a lot of naysayers out there. Most these anti-Whedon commentators have very weak arguments on why Whedon would suck for Marvel. First, criticizing Whedon before you even seen The Avengers or Captain America is even in production is not only premature but illogical as well. Also, I don't understand why some criticize Whedon for creating villains with depth and complexity. Whedon has proven that villains can be unambiguously evil yet have reasons for their evil actions. These are just one the many weak arguments against Joss Whedon and down below are the weakest of them all.

1) Every show he's ever done has been cancelled.

Firefly and Dollhouse was cancelled, while Angel lasted five successful seasons before it was cancelled. Furthermore, the fact that his shows were cancelled doesn't mean they were not first rate quality television. Wonderfalls, My So Called Life, Veronica Mars, Twin Peaks, Pushing Daisies all great shows and they all were cancelled.

2) His writing on Astonishing X-Men was abhorrent.

Okay? Whedon's run on Astonishing X-men was critical acclaimed, and Eisner award winning series. That statement is obviously based on your own biased opinions.

3) X-Men 3

Joss had nothing to do with X-Men 3. How can you blame Joss for the writers borrowing elements from his story arc in Astonishing X-Men?

4) Alien: Resurrection

Whedon I said himself that he didn't like the movie. Furthermore, he was the director and when you can't direct a film you written you lose a large amount of creative control. It doesn't matter what Whedon thoughts on how the film should be executed; its the director that has the final say.

I hope that who ever wrote realize how flawed and inaccurate there points really was. Hopefully, those that are against Joss will come up with a better argument.

I realize despite enthusiasts support there are a lot of naysayers out there. Most these anti-Whedon commentators have very weak arguments on why Whedon would suck for Marvel. First, criticizing Whedon before you even seen The Avengers or Captain America is even in production is not only premature but illogical as well. Also, I don't understand why some criticize Whedon for creating villains with depth and complexity. Whedon has proven that villains can be unambiguously evil yet have reasons for their evil actions. These are just one the many weak arguments against Joss Whedon and down below are the weakest of them all.

1) Every show he's ever done has been cancelled.

Firefly and Dollhouse was cancelled, while Angel lasted five successful seasons before it was cancelled. Furthermore, the fact that his shows were cancelled doesn't mean they were not first rate quality television. Wonderfalls, My So Called Life, Veronica Mars, Twin Peaks, Pushing Daisies all great shows and they all were cancelled.

2) His writing on Astonishing X-Men was abhorrent.

Okay? Whedon's run on Astonishing X-men was critical acclaimed, and Eisner award winning series. That statement is obviously based on your own biased opinions.

3) X-Men 3

Joss had nothing to do with X-Men 3. How can you blame Joss for the writers borrowing elements from his story arc in Astonishing X-Men?

4) Alien: Resurrection

Whedon I said himself that he didn't like the movie. Furthermore, he was NOT the director and when you can't direct a film you written you lose a large amount of creative control. It doesn't matter what Whedon thoughts on how the film should be executed; its the director that has the final say.

I hope that who ever wrote realize how flawed and inaccurate there points really was. Hopefully, those that are against Joss will come up with a better argument.