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Everyone's a Hero In Their Own Way

By TK | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (45)



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Well, like it or not, true believers, it’s happening. A couple of weeks ago, we reported that Joss Whedon, official Friend of Geeks, super-creator of “Buffy the Vampire Slayer,” “Angel,” “Firefly,” and the director of its spin-off movie, Serenity, was a possibility to direct the mega-tie-in movie that will bring together a series of Marvel superhero movies, The Avengers.

It appears that possibility is going to be a reality. Yup, Deadline is reporting that Whedon is in “final negotiations” to direct The Avengers (due out in 2012), which will be only his second major motion picture (which is Hollywood-ese for “it’s in the bag”). Heavy lies that particular crown, Mr. Whedon. The geeks are finicky about their superheroes, and they are fucking legion.

Personally? I think it’s pretty cool. But then, I’m a Whedon fan. With the exception of the unfortunately terrible “Dollhouse,” I’ve loved most everything Whedon has done. Sure, there were some mixed bag seasons of “Buffy” and “Angel,” but “Firefly” never disappointed (although it only had 13 episodes, so… — oh, and fuck you once more, Fox). And while I know there are some malcontents out there who didn’t like it or its movie, I thought Serenity was unquestionably one of the best sci-fi movies of the modern era. Whedon’s good with actors, and he knows his comic book lore better than probably any current director other than maybe Kevin Smith. He wrote “The Astonishing X-Men,” one of the better runs in the Marvel universe recently.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens when he gets his hands on a project with far fewer budget restraints than he’s ever had to deal with. It’s not a blank check, mind you — Marvel’s had some financial woes of late that has meant they’ve needed to scale their budgets back a bit, but even so — Serenity had, by sci-fi standards, a modest budget of $40,000,000. One can only imagine that The Avengers will easily triple that budget. He’ll have a collection of talent that is completely on a different scale — going from Sarah Michelle Gellar and Nathan Fillon to Robert Downey Jr. and Sam Jackson, not to mention the other Avengers who’ll be participating, is a serious actor-wrangling mountain to to ascend. Right now, the confirmed members are:

Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.)
Nick Fury (Samuel L. Jackson)
Thor (Chris Hemsworth)
Captain America (Chris Evans)

Other possibilities include Scarlett Johanssen as The Black Widow and Edward Norton as The Hulk (looks unlikely at this time, partially because Norton is a bit difficult, partially because the Hulk is massively expensive to put on screen). There are numerous other Avengers members that have entered and exited the team over the years — Hawkeye seems a good choice for a supporting player, The Wasp is also a possibility. If I had to guess, I’d guess that Ant-Man or Giant Man are unlikely at the moment (although an Ant-Man movie has been floated as an idea for a while now), The Vision is almost definitely out, and Sentry, Quicksilver, and the Scarlet Witch are also probably not going to happen. Although who knows. At one point I figured they were going to stick within as “real world” as possible, but then they got a movie about the God of Thunder going, so I’d say all bets are off. Luke Cage? Spider-Woman? The Falcon?

One thing is for sure — this is actually pretty historic. Never before has a project of this scale been undertaken. Several major motion pictures, each with distinct characters, converging together into one massive picture that’s been planned intricately and carefully over a span of years. If you’d suggested this to me five years ago, I’d have laughed in your face. Now? It’s a whole new universe, true believers. And apparently Marvel wants to put Joss Whedon at the helm of it.

Shiny.









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Comments

That's interesting - I'm personally more a fan of Joss the writer than Joss the director (Serenity was good, but the less said about Alien 4, the better) but hopefully the people involved will be able to rope some writing talent into this as well.

Posted by: Royalewithcheese at April 13, 2010 9:18 PM

I have no problems with Whedon at all. I'm just skeptical this is even filmable. Or rather - I'm skeptical they can throw all this sound and fury (no pun intended) together and make a good movie out of it. But I'm always the skeptic. I suppose they juggled all those X-Men characters decently for a couple movies.

And it really ought to have the Hulk. Why? Because when it comes to destruction, the Hulk and Thor together are just too much fun...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWmHEF_PT8E

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 13, 2010 9:36 PM

It matters not what heroes will be chosen, for they will all perish under the wrath of Bagger 288.

Posted by: Gozer at April 13, 2010 9:47 PM

"Dollhouse" got pretty good towards the end, or at least I thought so. Plus its issues can be pretty much all be laid at Dushku's feet.

As long as it doesn't collapse under the weight of its characters I'm quite looking forward to the Avengers. My biggest worry is that it will turn into a clusterfuck where they try to shove in as much as possible, as with Spidey 3 and X-Men 3.

Posted by: Chugga at April 13, 2010 10:01 PM

I was about to get righteously indignant, but then I remembered that I don't have a problem with Whedon's directing, I have a huge problem with his writing in anything outside of his sitcom work (I won't go into my reasons because, well, I get tired of being jumped by Whedon fans like a Japanese schoolgirl in a dark alley during an infestation of tentacle monsters - let's all just agree to disagree), so... okay, if he's directing, not writing, I don't really have any cause to complain.

Posted by: Nat Kittyface at April 13, 2010 10:02 PM

After 4 hours of engineering class, this make me smile.

I hope;

a) Renner signs on (officially?) as Hawkeye
b) Part of the bad guy plot involves using Banner/Hulk.
c) We could go back and undo Fantastic 4, cast someone awesome as Dr. Doom, and use him as a villain--he's grounded in enough reality, and he holds up EXTREMELY well against all the aforementioned players.
d) Hank Pym can show up, but no Ant-Man, Hercules, Sentry, or Spider-Woman
e) If you're gonna put Luke Cage in, cameo for Iron Fist.
f) End it by setting up Heroes for Hire, or Young Avengers, or Secret Avengers, or a two part stream-lined Civil War as the send off for the main heavies.

Posted by: D-Day at April 13, 2010 10:03 PM

Personally? I think it’s pretty cool. But then, I’m a Whedon fanGIRL.


There, I fixed it for you.


"The geeks are finicky about their superheroes, and they are fucking legion."

In my humble opinion, we AIN'T legion, at least not enough to make a real difference, remember Watchmen? Yeah. Not to say that I don't WISH it were true, buuuut, we gotta face facts. If Whedon goes for the geek demo two things will happen:

1. The Talifans will rip him a new one, there's is no way stisfy the obsessed.

2. It will BOMB.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at April 13, 2010 10:05 PM

I get tired of being jumped by Whedon fans like a Japanese schoolgirl in a dark alley during an infestation of tentacle monsters

HAHAHA and ewwwwww, hentai

Chugga's right, they have to be careful about how many characters they try to cram in there. That said, I'd like to see Hawkeye and the Wasp make the cut. Especially if Renner plays Hawkeye.

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at April 13, 2010 10:16 PM

Not to go off point, but when did Joss work with Sarah Jessica Parker? Are you thinking of Sarah Michelle Gellar, or did I miss the Buffy/Sex and the City crossover?

Posted by: chayes at April 13, 2010 10:50 PM

Michal Jai White for Luke Cage, Chiwetel Ejiofor for Black Panther, Emma Stone as the Wasp and I still want Layla Ali as She-Hulk.

The character they really need is Hercules. RDJ can't carry the funny all by himself, but I can't think of anybody big enough for the part. John Matuzak is dead and Jon Cena can't act for shit.

In an ideal world, they'd pair White and Matthew McConahe-hee as Danny Rand for a Heroes for Hire movie. Also, Replica and I will be playing the titular roles in any Cloak and Dagger film.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at April 13, 2010 10:51 PM

Excellent.
We'll get an Avengers movie with valley-girl dialogue that sounds exactly like Whedon from every character whether it suits them or not, pop culture riffing, sarcasm in place of wit, random cattiness and bitchiness, cheesy teen emo drama, and a plot that exists solely because his cutesy dialogue needs a framework.

He's basically Tim Burton or pre-Cop Out Kevin Smith at this point: churning out the same, completely substance-less thing with superficial changes for his devoted audience that gobble up anything he throws at them.

The one benefit to him doing the Avengers is that he'll be forced to work with some talented actors for once (besides Ejiofor in Serenity).

It'll be a massive bomb and Whedonites will start making excuses for it (like they did for Dollhouse) before it even comes out.

Posted by: Mr. Lask at April 13, 2010 10:53 PM

You said you didn't like Firefly when you clearly meant to say you did.

@Royale Joss didn't direct Aliens 4, he only wrote A treatment of the script which was changed heavily before and during shooting. Butchered, really. For example, he originally did not have Ripley in it.

Posted by: trippdup at April 13, 2010 11:00 PM

Tracer, did you really just throw out McConaghey as Danny Rand?

Yep, I just yakked on my computer...

Posted by: D-Day at April 13, 2010 11:20 PM

Ah, further proof the world won't make it through 2012. The eventual release of a Whedon helmed Avengers?

What greater trick would evil pull, but to lull us into a false sense of sublime, surreal, sense of security before pulling the rug, and kaboom?

Obviously the apocalypse.

Posted by: Brian at April 13, 2010 11:20 PM

FOLKS, folks, if we are going to start holding people up to a certain standard Whedon should get the same level of scrutiny that Kevin Smith does. Therefore, he has WHAT?

Four seasons of Buffy (seriously after that)? Uneven, turned his main character into an insufferable CUNT. And then Angel what the hell was up with Cordellia, aaaaand WHAT ELSE? Firefly? Oooook, Serenity, WHY did he kill Wash? Ok.

What are we left with? A man who wrote Roseanne episodes. A legend in our own minds who reaally isn't ALL THAT.

You know this to be true.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at April 13, 2010 11:24 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *breath* AAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!

I would do anything for Joss Whedon. Seriously. I would cut off my hear a la van Gogh for him. Except that would probably freak him out, huh? Oh well, at least he's likely to do a good job on this because he's as obsessed with comic books as I am with him.

Posted by: esme at April 13, 2010 11:40 PM

...and by hear I meant ear.

But maybe it's better this way.

Posted by: esme at April 13, 2010 11:41 PM

It is my understanding that Whedon made Serenity on a budget of $38 million.

Does anyone know the proposed budget for this project?

Thinking about it makes me all smurgly in my pantal area. And normally I don't care a fig about comic book movies.

Posted by: Jerce at April 13, 2010 11:52 PM

As a Whedon-neutralite, I'm not sure who sounds crazier, the lovers or the haters.

But do keep it up.

Posted by: D-Day at April 13, 2010 11:54 PM

This is an unworkable premise folks, you'd either have to work the back story for a couple of characters on their own films and bring them in as continuity or just go full retard with some STOOOPID out of nowhere story.

/Prove me wrong

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at April 14, 2010 12:05 AM

For once, I agree with BSlim.

Posted by: figgy at April 14, 2010 12:36 AM

Do we know if he'll be helping to write it? Because if he's going from someone else's script then I don't know what to expect.
(Probably crap)

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at April 14, 2010 12:43 AM

For once, I agree with BSlim.

Posted by: figgy at April 14, 2010 12:36 AM
-------------------------------------------------

BAM!

Sounds like a date to me.

How does your husband feel about three ways?

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at April 14, 2010 12:51 AM

Yeah... didn't Whedon "write" Alien 4, but not direct it? Wasn't the director that wacky French dude?

I am an avowed Whedonite, but the dialogue in Alien 4, if any of it remained his, was insanely cringe-worthy. "Must be a chick thing." OK, now I'm wildly off-topic.

On topic, I know nothing of comics. I will simply look forward to this movie in blissful ignorance and cock-eyed optimism.

Posted by: MM at April 14, 2010 12:55 AM

I'm going to throw my lot in with the neutral party. This is a geek confluence of epic proportion, for better or for worse, for snarky or for cheesy.

As for the extra Avengers, I think the Wasp is a good addition. I LOVE Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye. I would kill for a viable form of Black Panther, but that's a ton of backstory for a team film.

Posted by: The Wandering Parakeet at April 14, 2010 2:41 AM

D-Day, sure, why not? Rand always struck me as a sort of laid back kind of guy who didn't place much value in the wearing of shirts. Maybe he's not right for a straight ahead action movie, but make it an action-comedy and he's a viable option. Who would you prefer?

Backstory, schmack story. We don't need to see the moment every damned character watched his parents get shot in an alley or he lost his binky and that's why he became a hero. They're the Avengers. Go.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at April 14, 2010 6:27 AM

@royalewithcheese. whedon didn't direct alien 4, so your point again was...?

Posted by: andrew at April 14, 2010 7:27 AM

Cue the geek cameos.

I am looking forward to Captain Hammer showing up though. You doubt me? I've got $100.00 that says it happens.

Posted by: admin at April 14, 2010 8:42 AM

Sure, there were some mixed bag seasons of “Buffy” and “Angel,” but “Firefly” never failed to disappoint...

Wait, I thought you liked "Firefly".
Am I reading that wrong or were you just really excited?

Posted by: JustKidding at April 14, 2010 9:08 AM

"The geeks are finicky about their superheroes, and they are fucking legion."

In my humble opinion, we AIN'T legion, at least not enough to make a real difference, remember Watchmen?

Agreed. I think some people, drunk off the massive box office tallies for The Dark Knight and Iron Man, and confusing Internet chatter for the real world, have come to believe there are massive numbers of geeks out there. But look at "Chuck." That's probably the most purely geek-oriented show on TV, and it's barely surviving. And the real comic books fans, the people who get up in arms about changes to their beloved heroes, are even fewer.

Posted by: Todd at April 14, 2010 10:52 AM

Oh, dick Whedon haters always gotta try to be cool because they don't like his shit.

BSlim, you left out Dr. Horrible, though that's probably because you don't want to admit that it was awesome, as that would ruin your argument. And I actually thought Buffy got vastly more interesting as it went along and the characters were forced to deal with their constant surroundings of death. Similarly, I was always a big-time Angel fan. I still haven't watched past the first episode of Dollhouse, so I remain neutral on that. But Firefly was straight genius; the only people I know who don't like that show specifically don't like it because they have a personal beef with Joss Whedon.

The one benefit to him doing the Avengers is that he'll be forced to work with some talented actors for once (besides Ejiofor in Serenity).

I believe that Mr. Lask just called NPH, Fillion, Tudyk, Glau, Baccarin, Torres, Hendricks, and everyone else Whedon has ever worked with bad actors, which, especially with the big three at the front of that list, is patently insane.

No one disrespects NPH. Not in this house.

Posted by: ChristianH at April 14, 2010 10:58 AM

Take the cheerleader try-out scene from "Bring It On" and adapt it to fill out the Avengers lineup, thus playing to Whedon's strengths (snarky, pointless dialog), eliminating backstories and pissing off fanboys ad infinitum.

Nick Fury: " This is not a democracy, this is a SHIELD-ocracy and I'm the SHIELD-tator-now we take Wonder Man because he's the shit. Take a big whiff motherfucker!"

Posted by: mrcreosote at April 14, 2010 10:59 AM

And it was going so well, no one talking about Harris.

Posted by: Jay at April 14, 2010 11:37 AM

I'M SO FUCKING SICK OF BACKSTORIES. I DON'T GIVE A FLAMING MONKEY'S TESTICLE ABOUT A SUPERHERO'S BACKSTORY. JUST GIVE ME A FREAKING GOOD REGULAR STORY WHERE THE SUPERHERO SAVES THE DAY IN AN ENTERTAINING WAY. JUST JUMP AND AND GIVE ME STORY AND PLOT. I DON'T WANT NO STINKING SMOLDERING CHIMP BALLS BACKSTORY.

Rant over.

Posted by: BWeaves at April 14, 2010 11:39 AM

So this is what good news tastes like! Like cupcakes and bacon!

Posted by: danny at April 14, 2010 12:10 PM

Oh and for the naysayers all up in this thread, and as was pointed out, Whedon is responsible for "The Astonishing X-Men", honestly one of the better Marvel story lines I've had the pleasure of reading. Go take a look at that before you pass judgement on his ability to work with the Marvel universe! Dude knows his stuff!

Posted by: danny at April 14, 2010 12:43 PM

Well, well, well. Two things.

Whedon is an interesting choice because of his results with ensembles. Things get tiresome (Heresy, I know.) when he gets too enmeshed in his girl-power archetypery. He's best with a pick-up basketball game adventure, really. The challenge with The Avengers is it's a superhero ensemble story, so he may both have an in & be saved from himself because it's just one movie.

The other thing is this one is a career trajectory changer for him. If it works, he's a god with actual budgets & creative control to play with hereafter (Serenity II, anyone? Mutant Enemy as this generation's United Artists?) If it doesn't work, he's branded hard as genre, flash-in-the-pan guy.

I'll see it because of who is involved. I'm rooting for it because - yes, I'm hopeless - I want to see more of my Big Damn Heroes one day.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at April 14, 2010 12:50 PM

TB, I just think McC is a horrible actor, and a little too old to be cutting it up as Rand.

I don't think he can shake off his 'twang and bite down hard for a superhero role, and my biggest concern would be that he can't do the stunt work. Fist is just a little too sleek for McC. I think this is the kind of role you give to an up-and-comer. Who knows, I'm not sure they're even kicking the tires of Heroes for Hire.

Posted by: D-Day at April 14, 2010 1:42 PM

After reading this post @ 11:30 in my X-Men pajama, I CAME all over my STAR WAR comforter and pillow! No more messing around, I have to get to my 1:00pm shift at Arby. Life does not get any better than this people.

Posted by: Ilovemymamma at April 14, 2010 2:57 PM

Avengers will look like ass on the big screen. It works on the comic book page, but having so many vastly different characters on the screen is not going to end well.

Posted by: Mick J at April 14, 2010 3:19 PM

Well, I want to see who they'll cast as John Steed and Mrs Emma Peel!

What?

Posted by: Tarn at April 14, 2010 3:34 PM

What intrigues me is all the S's missing from that comment.

Posted by: Jay at April 14, 2010 4:37 PM

Tracer Bullet, I'm with D-Day: McConaughey as Danny Rand? NAY. Too stoned. Guy was driven. Intense. Little uptight, despite the shirtlessness. Wasn't Ray Park all signed up for an "Iron Fist" back in 2009? What happened to that??

Ben Foster. Because he can do no wrong. Angel Schmangel.

Frankly, the purely imaginary notion of Whedon writing AND directing a "Heroes for Hire" feature already excites me more than anything about the freakin' Avengers.

Posted by: Salieri2 at April 14, 2010 5:18 PM

...he'll be forced to work with some talented actors for once (besides Ejiofor in Serenity).

If this is a genuine sentiment, you've got problems I can't fix. But my brass knuckles are stamped "FILLION" and Tudyk signed my flick-knife, so I can try.

/end half-joking

Posted by: ALR at April 14, 2010 6:13 PM

SQEEEE...JoshGasm!

That is all...

Posted by: pyroplastique at April 14, 2010 9:18 PM