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Leno Returning to the 11:30 Slot; Conan Pushed Back

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (50)



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There were an extraordinary number of rumors flying around yesterday about NBC’s late-night situation, and I’m sure many of you heard at some point during the day that either Jay Leno had been cancelled, that Conan O’Brien had, or that the entire 11:30 hour was going to be replaced by Subway commercials (that was my rumor).

Here’s the story as it stands: Jay Leno’s ratings were suffering, because those boneheads over on NBC tried to cheapskate their way out of 5 hours of programming while keeping Chin boob happy by putting him at the 10:00 slot five nights a week. And while the ploy wasn’t a spectacular failure for the NBC network — ratings were bad, but consistent, and high enough to pay for an inexpensive production — it was a failure for the affiliates, who were getting a lousy lead-in to their local newscasts, which in turn led to poor lead-ins to Conan O’Brien at 11:30, which in turn allowed Letterman to gain a 2 million viewer advantage over “The Tonight Show.” All of which is to say, in the last 9 months, NBC managed to screw up the one bright spot, ratings-wise, on their schedule: “The Tonight Show,” which was fairly dominant with Leno as host (God knows why, but there you go).

So, obviously, NBC needed to do something about the situation, but they also had to contend with the fact that Leno is clearly the bigger draw to mainstream audiences, and that both Conan and Leno were under huge guaranteed contracts. So what does the network do?

From what we know so far, it looks like Jay Leno is going to be moving back to the 11:30 slot, after the Winter Olympics finish their run, where he will have a half-hour show that will lead into Conan’s hour-long show (presumably, Conan will keep “The Tonight Show,” while Leno will continue under “The Jay Leno Show” banner). Meanwhile, Jimmy Fallon looks to be moving to the 1 a.m. graveyard, which is — and I can’t believe I’m saying this — a shame, as I’ve caught a few episodes of Fallon’s show, and it’s not embarrassing. He strikes out more than he succeeds, but he tries a lot of new things, which is more than I can say for the other late-night talk show hosts (including Dave, who has been doing the same, reliable shtick for decades).

How will this shake out? My guess is that Leno will regain a lot of the audience that Conan lost in the 11:30 hour, that Conan’s ratings will hold steady at midnight, and Fallon will probably lose a few viewers. Still, I don’t see Leno regaining his dominance — NBC late night is broken. “The Tonight Show” has been an institution on NBC for over 50 years, and in less than a year, the network has run it into the ground. It’s not irreparably damaged, perhaps, but it probably won’t regain its foothold until both Leno and Letterman retire, and I’m not sure that Conan is the guy that’s going to be around for a couple of decades into the future.

But the one question that still lingers for me, and that hasn’t really been addressed is this: NBC is losing 5 hours in prime-time programming. How do they expect to fill those five hours on short notice? And what can they come up with that’s going to provide a better lead in than Leno’s 5 million nightly viewers? Are they going to roll out five nights of “Deadline” or “To Catch a Pedophile”? Apparently, NBC has 18 pilots for prospective series, but how quickly can they get those up and running? And how well could they possibly do against the established shows on the other networks at 10 p.m.

I see the necessity of this move — the NBC nitwits have to fix what they broke. But I think they’re jumping the gun a bit. They could’ve waited until the Fall; maybe Leno would’ve bowed out. Maybe Conan could’ve picked up a few viewers. And, at the very least, it would’ve given the network a few months to develop a 10:00 slate of programs that might do better than Leno. The reason they decided to move Leno to 10:00 in the first place was because those late-evening dramas were expensive. I don’t expect that that will change, and giving the lack of lead time and the rushed development of these new series, I don’t see them doing much better than Leno in the short-run (I bet they’re regretting the hell out of letting go of “Southland” now). They’re just throwing money at the problem, which is exactly what they were trying to prevent in the first place.

If you ask me, they should just fire them both and fill the 11:30 slot with Tina Fey’s “Dealbreakers.” Then we all win!

(Source: NYTimes)









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Comments

Leno looks like Littleface from Dick Tracy.

Posted by: superasente at January 7, 2010 10:27 PM

This news fills me with sadness. Can't America wake up and see that Conan is better than Leno and Letterman put together? They should just have him on both networks all night long.

Posted by: Snath at January 7, 2010 10:31 PM

Fucking idiots. I may be hammered, but none of this still sounds like a good idea.

A much better solution would be for NBC to run The Kentucky Fried Movie, any one-hour portion, five nights a week. That stuff, even repeated ad nauseum, is funnier than Leno. Fuck that guy with a corncob. Then cut off his head, send him to be tortured, and then send him to be tortured.

Posted by: Tarted-Up Corpse (formerly Cat) at January 7, 2010 10:34 PM

I meant, then send him to Detroit. Fuck me with a whiskey bottle.

Posted by: Tarted-Up Corpse (formerly Cat) at January 7, 2010 10:35 PM

I'm guessing they just bite the bullet while they have all those series in development. Maybe they'll repeat possible midseason hits like Parenthood?

Posted by: Cindy at January 7, 2010 10:36 PM

It's a dream of extraordinary magnitude!

Posted by: Jay at January 7, 2010 10:45 PM

My god. We can't make cars, our economy's in the crapper, we can't agree on anything ... and now we can't even fucking entertain ourselves?!? When did this country become such a wretched, no girlfriend-havin, pimply-faced loser?

Posted by: Johnnyboy at January 7, 2010 10:50 PM

And, Tarted, you know it worked pretty well the first way, too. Fuck it. Send him to be tortured, and then send him to be tortured!!!!

Posted by: Johnnyboy at January 7, 2010 10:53 PM

Hey, NBC. Do a reality show about me. Right now I'm eating Cheez-Its, watching football, and occasionally shifting the groin area of my pants. Maybe I'm not as entertaining as Leno, but I'm much cheaper, right down the street from your studio, and I promise I'll try to be entertaining. Five nights a week of ratings gold I'm telling you.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at January 7, 2010 11:15 PM

I don't even have TV, and haven't been able to see Conan as TTS host at all, and would never tune into The Jay Leno Show, but this makes me want to stab.

I remember once when Conan did a sketch in Texas, where for some reason he was on at like 2:30am, after Leno's Tonight Show and a repeat of the local news. He was in a laundromat watching the show and this huge, hairy dude who was obviously slow and drunk but also a little angry kept bothering him. Conan explained the situation to the man, named Buffalo, and after Buffalo walked away, Conan says, "I was just almost murdered."

Maybe after Leno is sent to be tortured, he can sent to be tortured by Buffalo in a dirty laundromat in Texas at 2am? Because I would watch that.

Posted by: vikky at January 7, 2010 11:16 PM

As long as I'm my personifying roll I'll add this ...

when I was a kid I seriously used to think NBC was the coolest one of all of em, now I'm pretty sure NBC doesn't bathe much these days and I don't even know if NBC has a place to live anymore.

Posted by: Johnnyboy at January 7, 2010 11:23 PM

Well the other shoe has fallen, huh?
Wow. Didn't see that coming at all.

Posted by: Odnon at January 7, 2010 11:31 PM

Delurking because this really gets my dander up.
I love Conan; Conan makes me laugh 'til I pee. That giggling gargoyle Leno does not.
Oh well, more clean underwear for me I guess.

Posted by: Tar at January 8, 2010 12:02 AM

I just can't understand why Conan's audience isn't bigger. He's hilarious (as are his writers) and ain't no one quicker on his feet. I've been dreading this all day, and it's finally happened. :(

And, Darth: I'd watch that show. Sounds better than Leno to me.

Posted by: Jelinas at January 8, 2010 12:16 AM

WE knew, we did, that Chin would be a magnificent failure in that time slot. What we didn't know was how badly Conan would do with the Tonight Show. I fully expected that he would draw the same hipster crowd that love him at 12:30 and maybe he did but it wasn't enough of a draw. Maybe the 11:30 crowd, who like the tried and true (much like the crowd who enjoys the 4:00 PM buffet at Sizzler) decided that Dave was a safer bet than the guy who brought us Triumph and The Masturbating Bear.
No one, and especially TV audiences, like being knocked out of their comfort zone by a network making radical changes and NBC completely blind-sided the older demo by shaking up the status quo. Leno failed. Conan failed. NBC failed.
Fox, CBS and ABC (not to mention the cable nets) picked up viewers that NBC will never recover.
This reminds me of the radio/record industry's last dying gasps. Execs will continue squeezing out every last drop of blood from the rotting corpse of the business because they don't know how to DO anything else.
In the meantime, sharp operators on the fringes of the industry will continue cranking out some reasonably good product on marginal budgets and the cable networks will continue to back quality projects that will guarantee revenue over tho long run via advertising revenue and dvd sales.
The future is here. The network exexcutives never saw it coming.

Posted by: Spender at January 8, 2010 12:17 AM

NBC has little choice but to listen to the unwashed masses that constitute their audience. Conan can console himself with the knowledge that this is not a meritocracy. Much as I root for Conan to succeed, it's difficult to get too worked up about late-night wars. Who really cares?

Posted by: sansho1 at January 8, 2010 12:41 AM

First of all, the only late night host I think is funny is Craig Ferguson, and that's mostly because of the accent. And because he's still in that phase that Conan was in for several years, where he figures nobody's watching and he doesn't give a shit, he just wants to have a good time.

Also:

Then cut off his head, send him to be tortured, and then send him to be tortured.

made me laugh until I wheezed a little. (And I don't have asthma.)

Posted by: MM at January 8, 2010 1:08 AM

I was wondering if this would be reported here. We can only hope that there will be a huge backlash against NBC that scares them into doing the lone sensible thing. Waiting out Leno's contract then sending him off. It's now proven that Leno is not as big as once feared. Should he go to ABC or Fox, he couldn't siphon off viewers away from Conan. Once Letterman retires or dies of syphilis, Conan will pick up more smart comedy fans as he'll be the only option left.

Posted by: Midnight Monkey Madness at January 8, 2010 1:13 AM

I meant, then send him to Detroit. Fuck me with a whiskey bottle.

Or you could send him to be tortured again, you minx. How you doin'?

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at January 8, 2010 1:14 AM

Once Letterman retires or dies of syphilis

Yeah, but I think that's at least 10 years away, especially now. If his marriage breaks up or essentially ends in a peaceful ceasefire, he'll want to do the show till he's 100. He'll be the Larry King of good talk shows. (See what I did there?)

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at January 8, 2010 1:16 AM

Someone explain to me why Zucker still has a job?

Posted by: Mebe at January 8, 2010 2:39 AM

Now, if I were Conan, I would take the late, late slot... go back to doing what he does best... and amp it up. Just go bat-shit crazy and DARE NBC to fuck with him. That's my wishful thinking.

Posted by: Spender at January 8, 2010 3:41 AM

Well... I'm not american, never watched NBC a day in my life, have only seen this shows on cable on very rare ocasions, and even I knew this wouldn't work.
As for late shows... Craig Ferguson is king as far as my little uninformed self is concerned (thanks, youtube!)!

Posted by: Mariazinha at January 8, 2010 7:22 AM

Eh, I would weigh in about how I dislike Leno and have been waiting to see his prime time experiment fail, and how I was happy to see my boy Conan move up to the Big Chair because I've always liked him, but the truth is I'm not watching any of this shit no matter what they do to it.

I like Chelsea Handler. If I'm in the mood for a late night talk show I'll flip to E! and hope to catch Chelsea Lately. (I'm I alone here? Is this considered quality counter-programming or am I outing a secret shame?)

I like the format- twice as funny in half the time compared to other late shows (I can't imagine earmarking an hour of every day for Leno or any of those stale talk shows, even if it is just to dull the senses before rolling over to sleep). I think Chelsea is smart and funny, I dig the brief monologue and the round table mockery of celebrities non-events and tabloid news bites followed by a brief interview. I like the loose, unscripted feel that makes everything seem a bit more authentic and engaging. It's a little reminiscent of a snarky celebrity blogging, but then I'm not above reading snarky celebrity blogs either.

Posted by: Yossarian at January 8, 2010 7:57 AM

This is what happens when NBC doesn't give me a late night show. I tried to warn those bastards, but they wouldn't listen. Now they're beholden to Chin Dick, and I'm still as awesome as ever. Your loss, NBC. We could have been kings. KINGS I TELL YOU!

Posted by: Doctor Controversy at January 8, 2010 8:14 AM

I nominate filling the 10 p.m. time slot with Lindsey with an E eating a popscicle and talking about its deliciousness.

*waits patiently for post to be removed*

Posted by: Kballs at January 8, 2010 9:20 AM

I'm rarely awake to watch these shows anymore (I have the old), but I usually pick Craig Ferguson. I caught a few minutes of Conan's monologue last night and it was painfully unfunny.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at January 8, 2010 9:44 AM

You know if NBC just broadcast an hour of Law and Order SVU out-takes of Stabler getting angry and almost bursting his shirt while he beats up a perp, I'd be perfectly happy.

Posted by: PaddyDog at January 8, 2010 9:58 AM

I've never been able to tolerate more than about 5 minutes of Conan or Ferguson, and I'll switch off Letterman after the Top 10 list, but really: What are all you hot and horny young'uns (Tracer excepted) doing home watching TV at 11:30? That's when I hit the bar.

You people need to get out more.

Posted by: , at January 8, 2010 10:13 AM

Jay Leno at best was benign. He was never cutting edge, trailblazing or particularly hip. He was kinda like your other uncle at Thanksgiving, he had a few mildly lame jokes- but nothing you'd ever repeat to your friends, he was never imposing but yet never inviting and he always kissed the asses of others in order to get in their good graces.

Now that he's older, he seems that much more useless. Where before we might've chalked it up to trying to swing over Johnny Carson's geriatric audience, now it just seems like he's an increasingly older man trying to wear his suit from twenty years ago and still be cool.

I'd fire Leno. Either continue to pay his contract with the understanding he shows up nowhere but the occasional bad Vegas buffet show, or buy him out let him be an albatross with someone else. Either way it frees up both money and time to fill up the 10 PM hour. If the powers that be at NBC had any balls whatsoever, they'd try to come up with something of both quality and originality and commit to it for a full season.

So long as I dreaming, I'd also like a pony.

Posted by: bleujayone at January 8, 2010 11:20 AM

Yossarian, you're not alone. Chelsea Lately is the only late night show worth watching. Conan used to be good, but he's having to sell out for Jay's old audience, and now no one wins.

I'm just glad scripted TV is coming back to 10pm.

Posted by: welldressed at January 8, 2010 1:01 PM

Where's the love for Conan?

And welldressed/Yossarian every episode of Chelsea Lately is basically Chelsea Handler one margarita away from passing out and waking up on the Today Show. I fucking hate that woman.

And I agree with a few people above, Craig Ferguson OWNS!

Posted by: ChristianH at January 8, 2010 1:52 PM

This may seem like an irrelevant quandry, but humor since this thread is deserted anyway. Why does Leno have NBC over a barrel so badly? Shouldn't his "The Jay Leno Show" prove that he's not a real draw for any network. Although considering George Lopez has a talk show, I could be gravely mistaken.

What frustrates me is this is all because Leno reneged on a deal. He said he'd go off to pasture when his time came, but when he saw that his limelight was dimming as Conan Oregon Trailed it west, he started to throw a tantrum and NBC begged him to stay.

Now they realize they're trying to suck an ounce of awesome out of a well of bland and they're trying to back-peddle. Conan's show was already in trouble because he'd have to take away some of the less than appropriate sketches, but to follow another talk show? Eesh. And now they're just beating him like the soulless ginger he is. Kidding. String Dancers have souls.

Oh NBC, I'd give you a kitten and punch you in the face if it wasn't for Thursday nights and Chuck.

Posted by: Kayanne at January 8, 2010 1:53 PM

@Kayanne

I think it's like the Brett Farve situation. He's getting old and they want to move up the next guy so he doesn't waste away on the bench, but if they don't handle the cagey veteran just right he is going to jump for the competition (ABC/the Vikings) and start competing against them directly and probably kicking their ass (or at least taking a chunk of viewers).

Yeah, Conan is cooler, but as "," points out above, we 20-30-somethings don't sit around watching network TV after the local news every night.

Posted by: Yossarian at January 8, 2010 2:00 PM

@Yossarian That's the point I'm trying to make. Even if he went to another network, who would follow him? Does Leno have some freakishly loyal fans I'm totally unaware about? I mean, very few shows save the move to a new network, but could Leno?

Leno isn't Farve, he's a kicker with broken ankles.

Posted by: Kayanne at January 8, 2010 3:05 PM

@Kayanne

You underestimate Leno (or maybe you overestimate the American audience). If he bolts for another network enough of the audience would stick with the familiar, established host instead of trying to get used to this new pasty Irishman. Networks are stupid but they aren't that stupid. He wouldn't be getting the Tonight Show timeslot back if he didn't still have enough juice to carry a decent rating (compared to what Conan has).

It has been a disaster from the start, but really it's a no-win situation for NBC.

Posted by: Yossarian at January 8, 2010 3:35 PM

I Craig Ferguson!

Posted by: Courtney at January 8, 2010 5:31 PM

Count me in on the Craig Ferguson love! He's the only one that makes me laugh. The rest just bore me to tears.

Posted by: ariadne at January 8, 2010 7:10 PM

@ Kayanne F*** YEAH CHUCK!!! >:D

Conan owns. So does Ferguson (drink's on me!). Fallon is mildly interesting. Letterman is a fart that has yet to clear the building. That weird poker show on NBC is wayy better compared to Leno.

Posted by: little bird at January 8, 2010 9:35 PM

Am I the only one who's kind of happy about this outcome? I love Conan. I watched him every single night for a year when I was about 16 or so. I still tune in to his show once in a while, and it's now merely okay. Frankly, he looks kinda uncomfortable on that big stage, and he can't get away with the same raunchy humor/useless shit that he used to.

I mean, half the fun of watching Conan is in laughing at how stupid, taped-together, and pointless it can be- Masturbating Bear or Frankenstein Wastes a Minute of Your Time, anyone? It sucks that NBC fucked up so badly (Really, who wants to watch Leno's crotch for an hour? At least give the ol' bobblehead his desk back to spare our eyes!), but maybe this will mark the return of Conan's old style.

Posted by: Calliopsis at January 8, 2010 10:04 PM

I'll tell you what's wrong with Conan. I've watched his show and figured it out. Conan's more into entertaining himself and getting a laugh out of that than his is into pleasing the audience. He doesn't cater to the audience like Leno does. And while I think Conan is still pretty funny, he doesn't know for the life of him how to work his humor for the viewers. His type of humor is off-brand and only works for some people because, frankly, sometimes I cringe watching him try to eek out a self-deprecating laugh over and over. And more importantly, he applies this approach to his guests, which is where I really feel the awkwardness. At times it feels like Conan is putting on a show for himself and forgets that it's not a one-man stage show, but there are actually viewerships in the millions watching.

Posted by: Ri at January 8, 2010 10:57 PM

Kballs: You fucking KNOW it. I LOVE delicious Popsicles. Mmmmm. Popscicles.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at January 8, 2010 11:38 PM

eke, not eek

although I did SAY "eek" when I saw it

Posted by: d at January 9, 2010 3:01 AM

Awwwwww, wook at all the ittle Conan sycophants thowing tantums!!! watch them pound their fists on the floor!!! Listen to them shriek incoherently like a 5 year old girl, which is surprising seeing as they are all 25+ year old dudes. Not to much faggottry going on there, no siree. Watch the spittle fly from their mouths!!! Smell the...uh oh, smells like they all shit their pants AGAIN.

It;s sadly pathetic how the posters in this thread are whinging and crying about how America just doesn't "get" Conan because America is lame/stupid/retarded etc.

They've got it backwards. America finds Conan to be juvenile, asinine, vulgar and lame.

The majority of Americans would prefer not to have shit/dick/fart jokes bleated at them every five seconds. That's why Kevin Smiths' movies are all box office disasters. And why no one likes Conan.

Leno offers topical jokes which aren't fart/shit/dick related and doesn't do attack interviews with the celebs he has on, because he knows that most Americans think that people who do that sort of shit are scum, which includes the Pajiba staff and all of the posters here except me.

Oh and that person guffawing and pissing his pants? That's me laughing my fucking ass off at the collective tempa tantum being thrown over this, all of which could have been avoided in you pathetic losers had you know, actually watched Conan's show.

But you didn't did you?

Losers.

Posted by: Fappy McFapper at January 9, 2010 1:39 PM

How about MILF Island five nights a week?

Posted by: John W at January 9, 2010 9:18 PM

How about MILF Island five nights a week?

With 'splody robot boobs? I'm in.

The problem with the Leno show ...

The guesticles know what to bring to Letterman - your fully-conscious snark if you're a guy, and legs / boobs / hair & some of the flaunting / preening / flirting if you're of the unfair sex. (How can anyone who has watched as he - er - "handled" female gusts be suprised that he was handling the help?)

Bring the DaDa, deconstructed humor to the Conan show. Be desperate and needy if you're going to appear on Fallon

Which leaves for "The Human Chin" ... what? It's funny to watch him ineffectively leer at the clebri-titties on the couch, but really, I can get that much eye-candy at the local watering hole ... and it's in 3D ... and they bring me beer.

Sigh. I'm willing, even eager to be stimulated, mentally and - er - otherwise. But, they're just not bringing the input. Sad, sad days when the voices in my head are more entertaining than folks getting millions for the talky-talk. I've heard it all before from the inside, many times..

Sigh.

& pardon. It turns out the micro-keg they tapped at the across the street bliss-factory has a deceptively high important stuff content. I'm a tad sozzled.

More skin on MTV! (Style points for anyone who gets that ultra-obscure pop-culture reference. (Dennis Miller is an amateur.))

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at January 9, 2010 10:36 PM

The numbers will return to Conan if NBC will just let him be Conan. Something in that move changed his comedy. Barely any Triumph, no Pierre Bernard, just the safe stuff. The edgier/wierder stuff got him where he is, and much success on Late Night.

Now they're trying to make the best of the bad Leno gamble. Even if they move Conan to 1205, my hope is that he can go back to his edgier stuff.

And I agree. I feel bad for Fallon. He's trying the same stuff (or rather the same kind of humor) that Conan did when he started Late Night. Conan did it better, but I agree, he's trying.

Posted by: Newshound at January 10, 2010 1:29 PM

Newshound, how precisely has NBC prevented Conan from being Conan? What specific restrictions have they placed on him? Let's see some specifics and documentation to back up your claims.

Posted by: Fappy McFapper at January 10, 2010 3:48 PM

I have no documentation, only having watched him for 13 years and then seen the transition to the Tonight Show. His promise on his last Late Night was that nothing would change and something clearly has. He has the same writing staff, same directors, same band, same EP, so why so tame and toned down all of a sudden? Don't get me wrong, it wasn't Howard Stern before he moved, but it was certainly a little.. weirder. Apologies for the conjecture, but that was the conclusion I drew after seeing the change between the shows.

Posted by: Newshound at January 11, 2010 10:16 AM

No, no, no. We all win here. This schedule is perfect for people who like good TV. This way you get to watch the first half-hour of Letterman (the funny half), the first half-hour of Conan (the [hopefully] funny half in a slightly later time slot), and then all of Craig Ferguson, in his majesty!

I wrote a little blog about it here:
http://bit.ly/8jrjpR

Posted by: majesky at January 11, 2010 11:49 AM


















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