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It's Not Easy Making Green

By Brian Prisco | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (31)



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As a Kevin Smith fan, I’ve been with the rest of the folks clamoring for him to get Red State off the ground since he opened his wordhole and gave birth to the idea. Which was burgeoning something around three fucking movies back. For those who don’t know, Red State is Kevin Smith’s idea for an indie horror film which involves a world turned conservative. Dogma was a daring prospect that kind of became … well, a Kevin Smith pot-comedy dick-and-fart joke version of an awesome idea. I’m not saying that it wasn’t quality, I’m saying that he had investors, and well, it’s a business and people want to make money.

Kevin Smith’s entire career has been comprised of battles with studios and censors over what he wants to put on the screen and what will actually make money. Mallrats was what happens when he gets six million to make Clerks but has to cut pussy-eating jokes and cast more marketable actors to get that money back. Chasing Amy is what happens when he writes a $5 million dollar movie but sticks to his guns to get the cast of relatively unknowns that he wants and gets only a fraction of the cash. Which is why it’s one of his best. And when he sells out? We get Cop Out.

Anyway, a fan suggested to Smith that he start up a website to raise money. To let his fans raise the money — say, I don’t know, twenty dollars a piece — because they love the guy and respect his work and they want to see more of it on the screen. And the idea was that the fans will be financing Red State — the uncensored studio-free truly independent grass roots version — with their own money. It wouldn’t be an investment in the film, it would literally be giving Smith money to make a movie.

Well, the other movie blogs — mostly Bloody Disgusting — fucking LOST IT. How dare he ask us to foot the bill for his crap, what a greedy piece of shit, fat bastard expects me to pay twice for his nonsense that’s not even good the first time, grumble grumble poop. Smith tried to defend it with some sort of half-assed explanation about not taking a salary, and that he was actually turning it into a Project Redbanklight kind of deal where filmmakers can submit scripts and people would communally get movies made and blah blah, shut the fuck up.

Now, I’d be a fucking hypocrite if I said he’s got a lot of nerve. I’m basically doing the same fucking thing with my acting career. I’m poor, and so I’m asking for a handout without promising anything. I can’t guarantee that I’m gonna be famous, but then again, I need about $4,000. To finance a film, it takes a shitload more twenties than what I’m asking for. Plus, even if he matches funds or skips out on salaries, he’s still gotta pay everyone else. Especially little actors like me.

This would have made a hell of a lot more sense about ten years and ten films ago. Still, I want the movie made. What Smith’s asking is that we pay twice for a final product. Which is funny, because we’re essentially the only ones paying for it the first time. And sure, we can take pride in saying “Hey, I got that fucking movie made!” If we really want the movies we want, we’re supposed to vote with our dollar.

I mean, I can’t understand why the other sites are getting so outraged over Smith pulling this stunt. If it pisses you off, then don’t fucking pay. It’s not like he’s pulling a Ponzi scheme where he’s twirling his fucking mustache and grabbing a big sack of money and running off on a train, laughing like Snidely fucking Whiplash. Does it make him look like a half-assed director? Sure. Does it seem a little low-rent? Of course. But so what? If it takes me giving twenty bucks to get this fucking movie made, then why the hell not? Smith’s always doing crazy shit for his fans, from holding open calls for crowd scenes to going around the country hosting awesome nights of speechifying. And if we get a chance to give back? I say good. Give him your fucking money.

But first. Give me your fucking money. Mostly, because I need it worse. And because Ted Boynton, the Boozehound, promised with an incredible spout of generosity to match all funds donated to The Prisco Relief Fund up to $1,500. Just to prove that his heart is almost as big and well-worn as his liver. What’s wrong with panhandling for your art? Not a damn thing, I say.









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Comments

hmm
the news sounds like prisco but the title says dustin
what kind of mischief is this ?

(Good eye. It's Prisco's -- author name corrected. -- DR

Posted by: tris at February 9, 2010 10:41 AM

Personally, I think this is a spectacular idea. We've ALL paid for movies more than once (anyone here who hasn't bought 'Clerks' on videocassette and laserdisc and DVD and expanded three-disc special edition DVD and Blu-Ray?) Setting up a subscription payment system to help finance something challenging and intelligent (which Smith HAS shown himself quite capable of, when given the opportunity) is exactly what's needed (I only wish more musicians followed this path - Throbbing Gristle did it, the Zappa Family Trust did it, and Recommended/ReR Records out of England are fond of it and its worked great as a business model). Frankly, it's what the studio system is SUPPOSED to be there for! (again; feel free to make a comparison to the music industry)

Best case scenario; we help get a great film made. Worst case scenario; Smith gets some new topics for material on his Q&A tours and quite likely, we'll get lots of funny photos of idiots holding up signs with bad grammar, spelling and basic logic to amuse ourselves. It all sounds like epic win to me. I can't wait to send him some money

Posted by: greg at February 9, 2010 10:44 AM

I don't think the movie could be any good. If he actually hates Republicans and thinks they're stupid and that no sensible person could end up with that point of view, then it will be a hollow, jeering piece of shit like Religulous. The great satires have an underlying love and understanding of the subject matter. He could probably do a much better "Blue State" movie.

Posted by: Eep at February 9, 2010 10:48 AM

So you think Dogma was a "daring" project that was corrupted by the demands of it investors, and turned into a bunch of "dick-and-fart joke(s)". You might need to reexamine Kevin Smith. I don't see any reason to think that Dogma would have turned out any other way than what it was, because all Kevin Smith ever does is dick and fart jokes. Stop sucking on the Kevin Smith teat.

Posted by: reilly at February 9, 2010 10:53 AM

I have an idea--just sell shares to the fans; that way they only pay once and might even make a profit.

Of course that wouldn't be in the spirit of a movie making fun of conservatives. Really, to stay within the spirit of the movie you should initiate a referendum to force registered Republicans to finance it.

Posted by: Eep at February 9, 2010 10:57 AM

Eep:

Bonne matin. Ca va? I would suggest to you that a movie about Red States wouldn't actually be about Republicans per se, but about that odd red state mentality that never questions the rationale behind the most conservative stance (you could find a similar view of liberal issues in some blue states). An example would be the "don't ask don't tell" policy that actually most Republicans are in favour of repealing, but the typical red state mentality would think it's the end of the world.

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 9, 2010 11:07 AM

ok, I'll admit up front that I haven't read much about this idea or the ensuing controversy, but this has to be something more than a "Kevin Smith Relief Fund" to make the idea palatable. Any combination of the following qualifiers would help:

-Smith and other big names work on it for free. Any actor worth more than seven figures does it for scale. Where possible, equipment and locations, etc, should be made available free or at cost. Everyone involved in the movie making would have to cut it to the bone to drive down costs.

- It can't be just a hand out. Contributors have to get something back. Either go the IPO route and let them buy shares in the movie or set up a profile on a micro-lending site and offer to pay it back with interest (to the extent the movie covers expenses.)

-At the very least, go the PBS route and start sending autographed comics to gold level contributors, authentic Clerks II props to silver level and win a date with Jason Mews for platinum sponsors. Or, 'contribute 1,000 and get a role as an extra in the film'

-Oh, and if you are not giving people a vested interest in the film (shares or microloan) that sumbitch had better be free and legal for download and touring the nations college towns with free screenings and Q&A from K-Smith with priority tickets given to anyone who contributed.

- If you still manage to eek out a profit when Comedy Central buys the TV rights or off the collectors edition Blu-ray release that shit had better all be going to a worthy charity.


Regardless, this sounds impossible. Raising $4k for an internet friend is remarkable enough, trying to raise $4M for a film is a whole other realm of crazy.

Posted by: Yossarian at February 9, 2010 11:27 AM

like Snidely fucking Whiplash
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Dick fucking Dastardly is my go-to villain, but anyway, I liked "Clerks" and hated "Chasing Amy," so maybe I should only send Smith $10 and the other $10 to Prisco? I'm about 50-50 on him, too, so he better not piss me off today.

Posted by: , at February 9, 2010 11:29 AM

I'm a conservative and a fan of Smith. I'd love to see this idea work to let him make exactly the movie he wants and to piss in the face of the holliwood system. But I'm with Yossarian, I can't see this ever raising enough funds without shares or microloans.

Posted by: EricD at February 9, 2010 11:48 AM

This has been done by smaller directors. I have a co-producer credit on a small fan-made horror film that financed itself that way. The director got small donations from a small pile of people, providing him a small, but workable budget.

Went from working with his friends to hiring local actors. Went from lighting it himself and filming with a handheld home video camera to using real equipment and a lighting expert. You can get things done with a little grassroots support. Not a bad idea for Smith to try it. He's funded films in worse ways.

Smith has some chops when he has confidence in his material. Alas his confidence is more easily shaken than a chihuahua with a pituitary disorder, and once its gone he falls back on schtick. Maybe wanting to short circuit the usual funding avenues is a sign that he actually believes in the material here.

I'd consider giving him $20 if he looks like he's willing to go out and own it.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at February 9, 2010 11:55 AM

The best part of Dogma was the script. Unfortunately that was also the worst part of the movie.

Fine, dick-and-fart jokes aside, the best part of the movie was Ben and Matt sitting around, shooting the shit, because that's what they do (or at least did) best. Jay and Silent Bob shooting the shit -- sure, fine, it's not Shakespeare but I can watch it. And Alan Rickman is good in anything that pays him even when given light-beer scripting.

Anyone else in that movie opened their mouths, it was a waste of film. Fortunately Alanis Morisette kept her mouth shut.

You can't blame that on producers, sorry. It's all on Smith.

Posted by: Neodiogenes at February 9, 2010 12:11 PM

And Alan Rickman is good in anything that pays him even when given light-beer

It was after Dogma that my best friend and I came to the realization that anything Alan Rickman is in is going to be watchable. Two years later he put that to the ultimate test when he made a movie about cutting hair. Cutting. fucking. hair. But have you seen Blow Dry? Alan Ricman is a god.

Posted by: EricD at February 9, 2010 12:20 PM

Ca va bien, paddydog, et tu? I should have spoken with more precision. I meant that if he hates the people he's making fun of, be it neanderthal red-staters or the party as a whole, the movie will be in grave danger of being mean and unredeeming. I just find that there's more insight and humor in satire that mocks things the author loves and/or cares about. If you are dismissive to the subject matter in real life, then you'll regurgitate the same snide jokes that everyone has heard around the water cooler, you'll just spend more money doing it to a wider audience. If you find the subject matter distasteful but are willing to endure for the sake of creating a document, well then that's what you have to do but it is hard and distasteful work making it less likely to be done well. If you really grok the subject but don't agree with it entirely, that's where the real artful satire flows easily.

I'm not saying that a good product can't happen here, just that the chances are against it.

Posted by: Eep at February 9, 2010 12:29 PM

If I had the luxury of giving away money to Kevin Smith, I'd demand to see a script for this movie first. Don't want to contribute to some piece of shit movie.

Posted by: figgy at February 9, 2010 12:38 PM

I kind of like the idea of funding ideas you'd like to see produced. I know I would happily donate some money to get ROME back on the air. But if Smith is doing this he really needs to show how he is going to cut costs, and he needs to release the script. All I've heard about Red State is the title. Maybe he can't get it made because it's a shit story.

Posted by: TylerDFC at February 9, 2010 12:46 PM

When it comes to investing in art/artist, I'd first like to get a taste of their talent before reaching for my wallet.

I like Kevin Smith. I liked Chasing Amy and his other movies were entertaining as well. He does have a talent as a writer, and I admire him for it, but the guy already has a career. He's made several films, and if he can't find money to get Red State done, then that says something about his skills.

The guy is rich and lazy as hell, he's admited it several times, and I forgive him for it because I don't know him in person and I laughed with his movies. But the truth is all of his movies could've been a heck of a lot better if he wasn't so damn cozy in his comfort zone.

Panhandling for your art? Sure, as long as you do it responsibly and you give something back. Art is not a favor you do for your fans or a privilege only some can have access to. Art is a service, and it should be treated with respect. If I give you money to do something you want, then you can bet your ass I'm expecting you to work night and day to do the best job your abilities permit. And also, to justify my trust.

So what do I think about Smith's plan? Let him do whatever he wants. I'm not paying shit to get that movie done. I'll probably rent it, but that's it.

Posted by: Bizarro SofĂ­a at February 9, 2010 1:16 PM

@Eep

Your meaning was pretty clear in your first comment. Also, you are right.

Posted by: EricD at February 9, 2010 1:46 PM

I'm sure KS can find money to finance his film. But it's studio money, which means he won't be able to make the film he wants.

He should just call Ben and Matt and Chris and Alanis and get them to produce that sumbitch and make us a great fuckin' movie.

Posted by: grendel at February 9, 2010 1:46 PM

Cop Out looks terrible. I haven't seen Clerks 2 or Jersey Girl, mostly because they weren't highly regarded or recommended by my friends who saw them. Much as I enjoy Clerks and even seeing the man speak in front of an audience (though that has become burdensome) I really can't help but wonder if he has lost or never really had the spark for which he is credited.

Those doubts, coupled with the potential to pay twice for a risky movie have me keeping my wallet in my pocket. Sorry, Kevin, 10 years and several movies ago I would have considered this. Now? Not so much.

Posted by: Lubeg at February 9, 2010 2:34 PM

Vote for Prisco.

Posted by: Jelinas at February 9, 2010 3:00 PM

Setting up a subscription payment system to help finance something ...

I've been suggesting this among the Whedonistas (Whedonites? Whedonians?) for a couple years now. One could even imagine an "angel investor" model. Throw a few bucks behind something getting started - say, the studio costs for the upcoming Garfunkle and Oates album - for a write-off or a piece of the action later.

Thing is, the studios put buckets of cash at risk. It seems that the snarkley hordes are willing to risk at most a fin, and a couple hours time.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at February 9, 2010 3:16 PM

I truly hope Prisco gets that 4,000 and is promptly struck by a large motor vehicle of some kind. Same goes for Smith if he even gets a twenty.

Posted by: Jack Random at February 9, 2010 8:53 PM

I love you, Sofia.

Posted by: figgy at February 9, 2010 10:31 PM

Vote for Prisco?

Fuck Prisco. Fuck you long and hard. "I quit my job and so now I can't afford to pay for my union which I really need because I don't have a job so the good readers of the internet should subsidize it." That is the most sanctimoniously narcissistic bunch of shit I have ever read. Go sling some retail or wait some tables or stocks some shelves like every other hard-working sap in this country with a fucking backbone and stop acting like a gorram martyr because you moved to LA for your dream and doggone it it's time to start living the dream because FAME!, you wanna live forever!

Fucking. Despicable.

What's wrong with panhandling for art? When it's someone in the fucking MIT stop of the T playing their sax with a cap on the ground beside, they're not panhandling for their art, their using their art to draw attention to themselves and asking for payment in return. When a bum stands on a corner of the Third Street Promenade and ask for money for whatever reason they're asking for money for, it's usually because they have no alternative. You are a capable fucking human being who elected to give up a fucking regular paycheck and then have the audacity to claim that you deserve it simply because you're asking for less than Kevin Smith (who's not even really asking for shit if you read his recent blog post about it, at least not yet)?

Can I send you a syringe filled with herpes instead?

Posted by: horseshit at February 10, 2010 2:05 AM

You know, by his own admission, and I agree with him, Kevin Smith is a much better writer than a director.


Why doesn't he just write a novel? If his novel is successful, it gets picked up by a studio, it gets financed and there you go.


It may seem Pollyannaish, but I don't know: It seems like it'd be a better deal for everyone than asking for his fans to invest. If the investing backfires....oof......the bad feelings....plus, in a novel, he can write whatever he wants without studio yabos giving him notes.

Posted by: Robert Sims at February 10, 2010 3:22 AM

I think I need a Nicole Relief Fund. I want to be trendy.

Posted by: Nicole at February 10, 2010 11:26 AM

Well, since we know that a world run by lefties looks like the socio-politcal surface area bounded by Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot, I can't imagine what horrors KS has in store for the world in trying to map out the opposite.

Jus' sayin'.

Posted by: hater from siloam springs at February 10, 2010 11:54 AM

extravagant log you admit

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Samp. Fear me not.

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