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This Isn't My First Rodeo, Mr. Stark

By TK | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (15)



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Yesterday, a rumor stemming from an interview Jon Favreau gave to Vulture about Iron Man 3: Iron Harder began to pick up steam. Specifically, Mr. Favreau expressed his confusion and hesitance over the direction of the franchise, post-Avengers. Here’s the video:

Interesting. The money quote is this one:

Kevin Feige, who’s been involved with superhero movies with Marvel movies since the X-Men films, is very aware of his path and how to weave [things together], so in theory, ‘Iron Man 3? is going to be a sequel or continuation of ‘Thor,’ ‘Hulk,’ ‘Captain America’ and ‘Avengers’… This whole world… I have no idea what it is. I don’t think they do either, from conversations I’ve had with those guys.

It was an interesting tidbit, and ultimately proved to be an ominous note about Favreau’s future with the franchise, and the Avengers players in general. The films are getting an enormous amount of attention, what with two entries — Thor and Captain America coming out next year, to be followed by Joss Whedon’s The Avengers in 2013. But weaving them all together is going to be the tricky part, and Marvel is still working out the kinks for that. Committing Favreau to Iron Man 3 (currently slated for 2013) apparently proved to be impossible, and now Vulture is reporting that it’s official, while Favreau confirmed it himself on Twitter, noting that he was opting instead to do the Magic Kingdom film.

So, Favreau’s out of Iron Man 3. Marvel is renowned for hiring talent on the cheap, and Favreau’s success in the past two films, as well as his likely upcoming success with Cowboys and Aliens, may well have just placed him out of the running. Coupled with his hesitance to wade into the knotty plotlines of the new Avengers universe (Favreau’s been hedging his answers for some time now), and who knows just what all led to this happening.

What I do know is that the effort to shoehorn an Avengers plotline is what almost brought down Iron Man 2, and that will be a challenge for the future films, particularly Captain America, which doesn’t even take place in the current timeline. How they’re going to seamlessly integrate the Steve Rogers storyline into The Avengers without a bridge film is going to be particularly complicated. It’s easily doable for Iron Man and Thor, since S.H.I.E.L.D. plays such prominent roles in those films.

But that’s neither here nor there. Iron Man without Favreau seems strange, but then again, it’s hardly the sky falling. If anything, it might benefit from a fresh perspective, assuming Marvel makes a solid choice with a new director. Marvel’s biggest challenge is going to be maintaining momentum as they head towards The Avengers — and then figuring out what the hell to do with the characters and franchises afterwards. We can assume that if Avengers does well, it will have its own sequel, but will they somehow fracture the group again to create new solo films?

That’s part of Marvel’s apparent confusion that Favreau alludes to, and perhaps its that sense of the unknown, coupled with Favreau’s escalating asking price, that’s leading to this schism (not to mention that Marvel at one point seemed to be pushing a version of its vision that Favreau wasn’t quite thrilled with). Vulture’s article notes, ““other industry insiders look at Favreau’s growing price tag and speculate that he was getting too expensive for the frugal Marvel and its equally cost-conscious parent company, Disney. In fact, one Hollywood player familiar with Marvel’s playbook theorizes that the company had been pushing a confusing and packed vision of the third film as a tactic to provoke Favreau into leaving the project.”

The other x-factor is Robert Downey Jr., who is slated to be in many of the upcoming projects, but also apparently has director approval etched into his contract. That’s good news, because I feel like RDJ has a good grasp on the character and the franchise now, which hopefully means he knows what to look for in potential replacements (assuming it comes to that).

Regardless, it’s official and it’s interesting. Favreau, who helped make this franchise, and helped get the ball rolling for the Avengers — both the main film and the other solo projects, is dunzo with Iron Man.

UPDATE: Courtesy of The Playlist, here’s Favreau’s gracious response to his departure:

“Marvel and I both came of age together,” Favreau diplomatically explained to the L.A. Times today. “The years that we shared were a pivotal experience. Kevin has a firm grasp on the many franchises and how they all interweave and I am happy that I had the opportunity to establish the world that these characters can now play in…. ‘Iron Man’ has given me tremendous opportunities and Kevin (Feige) and I are enjoying a lot of momentum in our careers thanks to the ‘Iron Man’ films. I look forward to seeing what others can do playing in the same world.”

Awww.









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Comments

Sounds about right. Favreau did for Iron Man what Sam Raimi did for Spider-Man. Only in this case he got out before he had his own Spider-Man 3 debacle (although all the suits meddling with Iron Man 2 came awfully close).

It would seem Marvel(Disney) doesn't want directors with their own interpretation of characters rather they have directors merely carry out an all-encompassing grandiose plan. This will not bode well for attracting any quality directors who wants to put their own stamp on things- and even quite a few crappy ones.

Posted by: bleujayone at December 15, 2010 9:16 AM

How they’re going to seamlessly integrate the Steve Rogers storyline into The Avengers without a bridge film is going to be particularly complicated.

Is it? Can't they just find him on ice, thaw him out, and then make him the leader like they did in the comics?

Posted by: The Wandering Parakeet at December 15, 2010 9:22 AM

Spambot? You're back! I'm a little disappointed that you seem to have abandoned your campaign for racial awareness though. It's Disney isn't it? They meddled with Iron Man and pushed out Favreau and now they've gotten to you too. For shame.

Posted by: Paultera at December 15, 2010 10:00 AM

I really don't get all that worked up about superhero movies, despite my long history with comics, because most of them are no more than decent (at best) summer fare. I do hope that at least Thor and The Avengers turn out well, but if the franchise goes belly up after that I won't be devastated.

Posted by: Todd at December 15, 2010 10:01 AM

I don't get the tone of this article. He seems supportive of the direction that Marvel is taking things and excited to have been a part of it. Not bitter and/or confused.

Marvel's venture into movie making has been great thus far (even if I'm annoyed by some of the casting changes). I'm confident that it will continue to be great moving forward.

Posted by: superasente at December 15, 2010 10:15 AM

All this unfounded optimism is absolutely adorable. It's like every godawful, studio-directed piece of shit third movie never happened.

X-Men 3: Sucked.
Spider-Man 3: Sucked.

Marvel's venture into movie making has been great thus far

Really? It only seems to work when they remember to hire quality people to make the damn movies which they... apparently are trying to do as little of as possible?

Where's the good news here?

Posted by: twig at December 15, 2010 10:53 AM

The Avengers is starting to feel like a disaster of biblical proportions. Or maybe it's just because I don't care at all and think Thor looks kind of stupid and a hell of a lot like Chronicles of Riddick. Iron Man 2 was fun and more exciting and explodey then the original, but also came across as dumber.

So yeah. Dogs and cats living together, MASS HYSTERIA. Or at the very least cheap ass meddling suits doing what they do best.

Posted by: TylerDFC at December 15, 2010 11:19 AM

*sigh* Well so much for this series....

Posted by: logan at December 15, 2010 11:45 AM

In all fairness, twig, the failures of X-Men: The Last Stand and Spider-Man 3 were due to the suits at Fox and Sony, respectively, not Marvel. They haven't had a threequel, yet; Iron Man 3 will be their first.

It would seem Marvel(Disney) doesn't want directors with their own interpretation of characters rather they have directors merely carry out an all-encompassing grandiose plan. This will not bode well for attracting any quality directors who wants to put their own stamp on things- and even quite a few crappy ones. - bluejayone

The comic side of things have been doing that very thing for about 10 years. It does not make for great stories, though they do tend to sell a lot, because you have to read all the damn titles to understand what the hell is going on. And not just all the X-Men books or all the Avengers books, etc., but all the main titles (and even some of the lessers). They still do one-shots and mini-series, and those tend to be pretty good and the creators seem to have more room to play (especially Brian Clevinger's fun Avengers and the Infinity Gauntlet), but the "serious" titles are all uber-controlled by the editors, not the writers.

They definitely seem to be doing this with their movies. After all, how can the uninitiated see the Avengers if they haven't seen Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Thor, and Captain America: The First Avenger? This is why I was very happy to see the JLA movie fail. I definitely don't want to see this blow up in Joss Whedon's face, and if anyone can make it work he can. But it's a mine field, surely. Can't we focus on making good movies first, and then an awesome film universe later?

Posted by: RobP at December 15, 2010 12:17 PM

And, yeah, TK, it seems to me that the Avengers would start with Iron Man, Thor, Black Widow, maybe War Machine and Nick Fury, all finding Cap's frozen self. It'd be their first mission. Or, Captain America could end with that.

So, who wants to start placing bets on RDJ's preferred new director? I've got 2:1 odds on Guy Ritchie, 5:1 on Shane Black, 50:1 on David Fincher, and 100:1 on Todd Phillips.

Posted by: RobP at December 15, 2010 12:24 PM

I'll take Todd Phillips. You never pass up 100:1 odds.

"If Bruce Springsteen ever wins an Oscar, I'm going to be a very rich man."

Posted by: superasente at December 15, 2010 2:01 PM

I'm putting 5 on Alfonso Cuaron.

Posted by: Maureen at December 15, 2010 2:11 PM

I think the the Cap'n America--TO THE FUTURE AND BEYOND!! story will follow the paint by numbers endings to all the Marvel movies. After the credits of Captain America you'll have:

PRESENT DAY appears on the screen as we pan across a frozen tundra

Close in on some nameless took-wearing Arctic explorer excavating a block of ice...

*Close up on the Shield*

Cut to black.

Posted by: ed newman at December 15, 2010 3:27 PM

The Captain America Shield is displayed in IM2. RDJ is playing with it towards the beginning of the movie.

Captain America has already been seen in the Silver Surfer movie. They are in the arctic and you can catch a glimpse of him in one of the scenes frozen in a mountain side.

All looks pretty decent but a lot will depend on the CP and Thor movies, and how they decide to use Hulk.

The Avengers will be awesome of horrible. Integrating that many characters on the big screen in 3 hours is going to be a Marvel - see what I did there?

Posted by: Tags at December 15, 2010 4:11 PM

Captain America has already been seen in the Silver Surfer movie. They are in the arctic and you can catch a glimpse of him in one of the scenes frozen in a mountain side.

Wait, the Fantastic Four movie? With the guy who's playing Captain America in another role? Wow, that's meta. Or possibly stupid. Probably the latter.

Posted by: Todd at December 15, 2010 5:27 PM