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Trade News | April 10, 2007 | Comments (38)


So, I know from past experience that you’re not all huge Kevin Smith people (and there is even one unnamed critic amongst us who considered him for our annual Shit List, which hurt my heart a little). And you know what? I’ll just say this: Fuck you all: I dig Kevin Smith and I’m not going to apologize for it, all right? And if you can’t deal with it, well, you know where to jump.

Anyway, I mention Mr. Smith because he let loose a few details about the next movie he’s working on, long known to be a horror flick. But this one will neither be a Jersey movie, a horror-comedy, or even the sort of horror film we’ve become accustomed to of late, the sort where the slasher-man pulls out uteri and dances around with reproductive organs over his head. Indeed, the film will be entitled Red State, and the villain in the flick will be inspired by none other than Fred Phelps. And if you don’t recognize that name, I’m sure you’ll recognize his work: He’s that crazy gentleman from Topeka, Kansas, who runs the Westboro Baptist Church and insists that “God hates Fags,” that “AIDS cures fags,” and that when “Fags die, God laughs,” all of which he and his congregation plaster on poster boards and carry to the funerals of soldiers who died in Iraq because, by his way of thinking, the soldiers died because the United States tolerates homosexuality. And you know he’s 14 kinds of batshit when he claims that even Bill O’Reilly is going to hell, because he’s a “fag enabler.” Ha! And really, is there a better inspiration a horror-flick villain than arguably the most evil man in all of America? It’s kind of genius, or maybe it’s just the Kevin-Smith fondness talking. Anyway, this is what the man had to say:

And to me, too, the notion of using a Phelps-like character as a villain, as horrifying and scary as that guy can be, there’s even something more insidious than him that lurks out there in as much as a public or a government that allows it and that’s the other thing that I’m trying to examine in a big, big way. It’s weird because for a few months I’ve been saying ‘horror movie’ and technically it is, but it’s also not a very traditional horror movie in the sense that people have been asking me, ‘Is it a slasher movie? Is it like the Japanese horror flicks?’ It’d be much easier to just show it to them when I’m done and be like, ‘This is what I meant.’ At which point I’m sure there’ll be people saying, ‘This ain’t a horror movie!’ But to me, it is.

What else? What else? Ah, there’s this: Harrison Ford, Ray Liotta, and Sean Penn will star in Crossing Over, which will be written and directed by Wayne Kramer (The Cooler). The film is meant to be like Traffic, only instead of drugs, it’ll be about illegal immigration. And instead of Steven Soderbergh, it’ll be Wayne Kramer, which is kind of like ice milk instead of ice cream. Now, as much I loved Traffic, can I just say that I’m getting kind of sick to goddamn death of these bloated “interweaving storyline” flicks? I appreciated Babel and I really liked Syriana, but the whole multi-storyline arcs that wind their way toward some “profound” moment just feels kind of gimmicky, you know? And how profound can you expect the director of the Paul Walker travesty Running Scared to be? Besides, he’s going to feel really silly when Patricia Riggins’ similarly-themed exceedingly beautiful, heartbreaking, wonderful La Misma Luna comes out in August and renders Crossing Over second-rate before it’s even completed production.

Remember the film that Dan discussed earlier, The Christmas Cottage, which will be based on a Thomas Kinkade painting? (I had never heard of the guy until Dan’s round-up — sorry, I don’t spend a lot of time in doctors’ waiting rooms). Well, guess what? Peter O’Toole is in negotiations to play Glen Weissler, a painter that was one of Thomas Kinkade’s mentors, in the film. Yeah. Peter O’Toole. Eight-time Oscar nominee. Starring in a Thomas Kinkade painting. Hey, Pete, here’s my advice: You’re old. You’re on your last legs (did you see yourself at the Oscars? Weren’t the telecasters nice not to cut to you while you were sucking on oxygen?). You’ve had a fantastic run. You’ve got nothing left to prove. To anyone. So, go ahead, Mr. O’Toole: It’s time. Just let go. Your liver has had it anyway, and there’s plenty of free booze in Heaven. Don’t bring this shame upon yourself. Just let death save you from the indignity.

On DVD this week, there’s only one offering: Bobby. It’s not very good, but the RFK footage may leave you in a puddle of your own saline solution. It’s a shame that Lindsay Lohan and Sharon Stone had to muck up the works, though.

And in the trailer watch, they attached Rob Zombie’s Halloween to Grindhouse over the weekend, and far be it from me to judge a movie by its trailer, but I didn’t actually hate it. I’m sure the film itself will be over-edited, jarring, painfully sadistic, and flimsily acted. But the trailer at least stirs a little blood-thirst in me. Hey, who knows? Maybe it’ll be decent. A scary movie that’s actually scary, instead of just gorrific.

Nah — who the hell am I kidding? It’ll suck two ways to Sunday. Here’s the trailer:

Dustin Rowles is the publisher of Pajiba. He lives with his wife in Ithaca, New York. You may email him, or leave a comment below.


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Comments

Hee! Bill O'Reilly: fag enabler! I woulda loved to see ol' Bill's face turn eight shades of purple when he heard that.

Posted by: litelysalted at April 10, 2007 10:09 AM

"Halloween" remake--sputter. (At least they kept Carpenter's score--and was that Carpenter himself in a cameo at one point? Sputter).

We Canadians may not be as "up" on Kinkade as you guys stuck on our underside, but we do generally know who Phelps is because of a stink-cloud that got stirred up when he and his tried to come into our country. For the first time since Clerks, I am actually interested in a Kevin Smith film.

(For the uninitiated, here's a wee taste:)

http://www.break.com/index/most_hated_family_in_america.html

Posted by: Ranylt at April 10, 2007 10:23 AM

It is so awesome that the general public is picking up on the bastardry of Fred Phelps. I MUST see that movie.

Posted by: Genevieve at April 10, 2007 10:25 AM

I'm an unabashed Kevin Smith fan. The only movie I wasn't crazy about was Jersey Girl (and I've yet to see Clerks II). The idea is interesting, let's see what happens with the execution.

Am I the only one who, whenever I see the name Wayne Kramer, gets the urge to scream "Kick out the jams, motherfuckers!"? Just me? Oh, well.

Posted by: TK at April 10, 2007 10:33 AM

Oh, Peter O'Toole. You're awesome. You've done awesome things (we'll forget about that little mishap called Troy for a second, shall we? Although you were one of about 3 who were actually decent-ish.) "Venus" was great, if not a bit straaange. Please don't be in a really bad cheese-fest about a really bad painting. A PAINTING. A FILM ABOUT A PAINTING. Just don't...

Posted by: miniature hero at April 10, 2007 10:43 AM

Ugh, crazy people like Fred Phelps give nice, normal, sane Christians like me a bad name. Can we get some sort of referendum passed to differentiate nutjobs like him from us normal Christians? I hope Kevin Smith hangs him out to dry. (Oooooo, that's not very loving of me, is it?)

Posted by: stardust savant at April 10, 2007 11:28 AM

I'm a Kevin Smith lover too, but now I think I might need to marry the man and have a million of his babies because I'm also from Topeka, where Fred Phelps is currently residing (he is so not a local, but then again, I don't think Mississippi really wants to claim him either), and good God, I really can't stand the man. I don't know that I've ever been so excited for a movie which will probably inevitably make Kansas look ass backwards, at least a little. Yay! You made my day.

Posted by: So Happy! at April 10, 2007 11:48 AM

I have to agree with TK, I'm a big Kevin Smith fan except for that steaming pile of Jersey Girl. His new work sounds interesting, but I don't think it's gonna be my cup of tea. Not that I drink tea. But if I did, I would probably sniff this one first, and then pour the contents into TK's lap for making me agree with him.

Posted by: Manny at April 10, 2007 11:51 AM

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So wait...is he saying that it's even more evil that the public and/or the government allow for the freedom of speech that lets people like Phelps speak their mind? Or am I misreading this statement? Cause, you know, I think Phelps is a wacko nut-job whose opinions are lower than miconium, but I am all for his right to voice that opinion...so long as it doesn't go beyond mere "voicing" into action that hurts others or impugnes upon their rights.

Or am I making too much of this?

Posted by: Armando at April 10, 2007 11:52 AM

Motherfuck, he stole my Fred Phelps idea.

Posted by: mutterhals at April 10, 2007 11:57 AM

I, too, love Kevin Smith, and I hope "Red State" turns out as great as its premise is. Fred Phelps' surrogate will be, without a doubt, the most genuinley terrifying movie villain to grace the screens in years. What's better is this is a kind of horror movie that won't have to rely on loud noises or surprises or torture, pure evil can just walk through a doorway and scare the Pajibas out of people.

Posted by: _cG at April 10, 2007 12:05 PM

Even if it does end up being crap I'm sure I'll give Halloween a chance.
Everyone I know hated House of 1000 Corpses, but for some sick reason it really entertained me; Devil's Advocates as well.

Oh, and TK, re:MC5, yes-totally. I had to IMDB both Kramers when The Cooler came out just to make sure.

Posted by: missmle at April 10, 2007 12:23 PM

Now, how the hell did Fred Phelps find out what Bill likes to be called in private?

Posted by: Landon at April 10, 2007 12:36 PM

Guys, Peter O'Toole may be a genius, but he's been in some stinkers, too. Caligula, or, even worse, Supergirl, anyone? I highly doubt anything he does now can top those two. I watched Caligula on a dare in college ("Hey, it can't be THAT bad, right? RIGHT? Why does Malcolm McDowell have his hand in that man's ass? MY RETINAS!!!").

Yes, it IS that bad. And Peter O'Toole shall never be forgiven - perhaps this Kinikade nonsemse is his way of making penance. It won't work, my friend. It won't work.

Posted by: Tammy at April 10, 2007 12:44 PM

Peter O'Toole was also in Troy, although you could make a solid case that (along with the sweet CGI) he was the only good thing about that movie.

As for Phelps, I think people who hate him, talk about him, ask him and his family onto cable "news" shows, and make movies about him are just part of the problem. He's not a Christian, he's a cult leader. The sooner people realize that he's no different from Charles Manson or Jim Jones, (minus the mass loss of life thus far), the sooner you can stop getting worked up about him, and the sooner you never have to hear from him again. I read an interesting article based on the reports of psychologists and ex-church members, which basically said he had given up on all pretensions of religion years ago, and basically keeps the church around to feed his own God-complex. He's a textbook sociopath, literally addicted to hate. So please, please just stop giving him the time of day, America!

But before you do, go on youtube and watch "The Chasers War on Everything" clip of one of the guys hitting on a (male) Westboro member at a rally. Hilarity ensues.

Posted by: Matt B at April 10, 2007 1:11 PM

And, after that trailer, a part of me just died a little. Why Rob Zombie? Why?

I can't believe that he is doing this to one of the best horror movies ever made. Halloween is a classic. You don't fuck with the classics. Why don't they just remake a Christmas Story and destroy every last piece of my childhood?

Any respect he got from me for the Devil's Rejects just went completely out the window.

Posted by: cmoody at April 10, 2007 2:06 PM

"Peter O'Toole was also in Troy, although you could make a solid case that (along with the sweet CGI) he was the only good thing about that movie."

I nominate Eric Bana's ridiculous hotness to be the third good thing about that movie, and I'm always the girl to go for skinny geeky types. Yowza.

As for Phelps, I agree with Matt. Same reason why Ann Coulter is still famous--she gets the time of day.

Posted by: em at April 10, 2007 2:29 PM

This is completely off-topic, but I was just looking on another website and saw a preview for "The Golden Compass" and needed to say something to my favorite movie reviewers.

I'm in a slightly younger demographic, so the first of those books came out when I was in elementary school. The trilogy wasn't completed until I was in high school, but by then I was hooked. Whoever does the movie review has GOT to sit down and actually read them first. They're pretty decent fantasy as far as that goes, but what starts out as some entertaining fantasy lit develops into this incredible commentary on organized religion (mainly Christianity, I guess). It's absolutely fascinating, and oddly enough has had more of an impact on my beliefs than a lot of other things.

Of course, I'm terrified that when Hollywood polishes it up, all of that will be stripped away. A fun kids movie, but no longer meaningful. Ugh. Anyway, they're kids' books, reading them wouldn't take all that long.

Posted by: Jenna at April 10, 2007 2:35 PM

Some of the Westboro Baptist group protested (with the usual ridiculous signs) at my church last month (the reason given on their webiste: that we "promote THE BIG LIE that God loves everyone").
While it was sad to see, especially the young high school girl gleefully proclaiming to passers by (via huge sign) that God hates them, what was perhaps more disturbing was the group of high schoolers from our congregation who approached them to get some video footage for their little project: "Stupid things Christians do."
I agree with Matt that such behavior is what keeps the Westboro (and other similar) folks doing what they do. I could actually see (watching the situation unfold through a window) the faces of the Westboro protestors light up when they were approached.

Posted by: david at April 10, 2007 2:52 PM

I couldn't agree more about Phelps' need to be drop-kicked into anonymity, but he seems to have staying power. The best way to handle someone like that is the way the "liberal media" handled the Moral Majority, Ralph Reed, and Pat Robertson: Help them marginalize themselves by letting more people actually hear them speak and see them look stupid. They have money and followers, so you'll never get rid of them completely, but mocking them in front of the rest of the country undermines their power more than trying to shut them up or shout them down. Make them look as ridiculous as they are.

The morons who support Phelps or even silently agree with him are not going to be reasoned with or convinced of anything by Kevin Smith, but the vast middle that would find Phelps distasteful are more likely to turn on him because of this kind of exposure.

As for Smith's complaint about toleration of Phelps' hate-mongering, however, Smith seems off the mark. Phelps absolutely has the right to exist and talk his crap just as much as a neo-Nazi rally, at least at this moment in this country.

Mocking the hell out of someone tends to de-fang them. Before he turned into a right wing sycophant, Dennis Miller made a great analogy about free speech and hate-mongers: "First Amendment equals David Duke; no First Amendment equals Adolph Hitler. There's a big difference."

Posted by: fb at April 10, 2007 2:54 PM

missmle, it actually prompted me to read the whole history of MC5 - it's quite a sordid tale. Oh, and not to be correcto-dork, but I think you meant Devil's Rejects.

Jenna, you are absolutely right on about the Pullman novels. They are wonderful, and age is irrelevant (I'm 32 and read them last year and loved them). I am simultaneously excited and terrified about the movies.

Posted by: TK at April 10, 2007 2:55 PM

I realize and agree Halloween is a classic but at the very least a huge horror movie fan is woking on the remake. I hate the trailer's VO guy with a passion because he makes every movie sound tasteless and stupid, but I'll give the movie a chance.

Is anyone else sick of the whole Imus "scandal"?
He should just go ahead and enter rehab...

Posted by: The Stew at April 10, 2007 3:34 PM

Oh, how I love Fred Phelps and his lovely church. I spent a lovely couple of days once painstaking researching and recreating their "God Hates Fag" signs for a production of The Laramie Project. Since dear old Fred likes to send his followers out to protest any production of this play we wanted to make sure that they were properly represented. Sadly they never showed though. Anyone looking to take the piss out of him is aces in my book.

Posted by: audrey at April 10, 2007 4:05 PM

If nothing else, you gotta at least give Zombie credit for showing such huge growth as a filmmaker despite working on so few movies. Seriously, even if you didn't like The Devil's Rejects (I happened to love it) you gotta admit there's still a huge leap in quality over its predecessor, House of 1000 Corpses.

Plus I happen to like his music. (Blow me.)

Posted by: madams at April 10, 2007 5:31 PM

Jenna - I know what you mean about The Golden Compass movies. I can't imagine Hollywood being able to translate Lyra very well onto the big screen. Just look at what happened to Narnia.

Sigh..

Posted by: mikki at April 10, 2007 5:50 PM

A recent viewing of Carpenter's "Halloween" made me appreciate all over a genre that director's like Rob Zombie have pissed all over. The lack of gore did nothing to detract from the absolute batshit scary movie that made slasher flicks cool in the first place

Posted by: James S at April 10, 2007 6:29 PM

Anyone here ever see that episode of "The Awful Truth" they did on Phelps? Worth it to see his protests interrupted by a giant pink RV (The Sodomobile!) full of friendly flamboyants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABH_RFeeGAs

Posted by: Sputnik at April 10, 2007 8:45 PM

Armando and fb, I agree with your take on Phelps' right to his opinion. Hell, the man had the balls to insult O'Reilly, so I say there's hope for him yet. Well, except not.

But then, I also happen to think that this country , or the media at least, is taking the whole "political correctness" thing too far these days. It's getting to be that the asshats and douchebags of the world can't be themselves, and that's a shame. Personally, I like to know who the fuckers are up front, but I'm probably in the minority on that one.

And in other, more superficial news, I declare Eric Bana the best thing about Troy. Forget Brad Pitt and Orlando Bloom. It's all about the Bana, baby.

Posted by: Daphne at April 10, 2007 10:46 PM

Frederica 'Flicka" Phelps' story has already been told time and time again:
Red Dragon, Interview with the Vampiree, Priscilla: Queen of the Desert, etc, etc

Posted by: matt at April 10, 2007 11:38 PM

As long as they don't re-make "Halloween III: Season of the Witch" (in which chips of Stonehenge implanted in spooky masks make heads explode with crickets) I'm cool. Can't be improved. On the "Golden Compass" front, I agree the books were great and strangely dark, deep, and philosophical, which makes a good translation to screen unlikely. Who's directing? I know Kidman and Craig are starring, which sounds alright to me, but casting Lyra will be the trickiest business.

Posted by: Rosemary at April 11, 2007 9:15 AM

Daphne, I'm not suggesting that we not identify the douchebags as being douchebags. Let's call a spade a spade. Part of having the right to call douchebags out, though, is allowing the douchebags the right to be douchebags in the first place.

Man, I love that word!

Seriously, though, there's political correctness and then there's freedom of speech. Political correctness would fail to pass judgment on views like Phelps' or David Duke's or any other misguided hate monger and sociopath because it would, at the very least, cater to the idea that these views might be valid. That's not what freedom of speech is about. Freedom of speech protects the rights of all of us to hold whatever views we like, no matter how misguided. It also protects the rights of those of us who know better to point out when the douchebags are being douchebags.

In all of that glibness there's a point. I hope it made sense.

Posted by: Armando at April 11, 2007 9:16 AM

I'm glad Armando pointed out that very subtle moment in Smith's quote--I'd missed that on first read.

Indeed, Phelps and kin had a hard time getting permission to enter Canada (can't recall if they managed or not) because of our strict rules about "hate speech" which most of my compatriots agree with, but which I find myself questioning again and again.

Posted by: Ranylt at April 11, 2007 9:36 AM

"Guys, Peter O'Toole may be a genius, but he's been in some stinkers, too. Caligula, or, even worse, Supergirl, anyone? I highly doubt anything he does now can top those two. I watched Caligula on a dare in college ("Hey, it can't be THAT bad, right? RIGHT? Why does Malcolm McDowell have his hand in that man's ass? MY RETINAS!!!").

Yes, it IS that bad. And Peter O'Toole shall never be forgiven - perhaps this Kinikade nonsemse is his way of making penance. It won't work, my friend. It won't work."

Oh, Tammy, I just blew tea out of my nose!!! That is hilarious! I, too, have watched the awfulness which is Caligula and gagged and laughed in equal measure. Nothin' better than some big device tooling down the street, lopping off the heads of people buried in the road!!

But, if Malcolm Freakin' McDowell can come back from that (and he has) Peter Mr. Fantastic O'Toole can do. Just not in this turd. My Other Favorite Year???? Anything but something based on a paint by numbers by this douchebag (that was for Armando)

BTW, I knew I loved Canada for a reason.....

Posted by: dammitjanet at April 11, 2007 12:50 PM

"Guys, Peter O'Toole may be a genius, but he's been in some stinkers, too. Caligula, or, even worse, Supergirl, anyone? I highly doubt anything he does now can top those two. I watched Caligula on a dare in college ("Hey, it can't be THAT bad, right? RIGHT? Why does Malcolm McDowell have his hand in that man's ass? MY RETINAS!!!").

Yes, it IS that bad. And Peter O'Toole shall never be forgiven - perhaps this Kinkade nonsense is his way of making penance. It won't work, my friend. It won't work."

Oh, Tammy, I just blew tea out of my nose!!! That is hilarious! I, too, have watched the awfulness which is Caligula and gagged and laughed in equal measure. Nothin' better than some big device tooling down the street, lopping off the heads of people buried in the road!!

But, if Malcolm Freakin' McDowell can come back from that (and he has) Peter Mr. Fantastic O'Toole can do. Just not in this turd. My Other Favorite Year???? Anything but something based on a paint by numbers by this douchebag (that was for Armando)

BTW, I knew I loved Canada for a reason.....

Posted by: dammitjanet at April 11, 2007 12:51 PM

"Cause, you know, I think Phelps is a wacko nut-job whose opinions are lower than miconium, but I am all for his right to voice that opinion...so long as it doesn't go beyond mere "voicing" into action that hurts others or impugnes upon their rights."

I'd actually put protesting at a soldier's funeral in this category. He's also sent charming little fliers to parents of gay people who have died from AIDS. What an asshole.

Posted by: Samantha T at April 11, 2007 1:17 PM

Samantha T, you have a good point. Those actions certainly do seem to fall under the category of impugning on others' rights and hurting them.

Fuck Fred Phelps!

Posted by: Armando at April 11, 2007 4:50 PM

But, if Malcolm Freakin' McDowell can come back from that (and he has) Peter Mr. Fantastic O'Toole can do. Just not in this turd. My Other Favorite Year???? Anything but something based on a paint by numbers by this douchebag (that was for Armando)

BTW, I knew I loved Canada for a reason.....

:-) Thanks, Janet. You just made my afternoon.

Posted by: Armando at April 11, 2007 4:53 PM

Armando - Phelps is on my list of people I'd love to slap the shit out of. He's just ahead of Coulter and right behind Cheney.

Posted by: Samantha T at April 11, 2007 4:55 PM