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Ghostbusters 3 Without Bill Murray, Dogs And Cats Living Together, Mass Hysteria! Also, Chevy Chase Wants Another Vacation (Movie).

By Rob Payne | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (26)



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“Yes, we will be doing the movie and hopefully with Mr. Murray. That is our hope. We have an excellent script. What we have to remember is that Ghostbusters is bigger than any one component, although Billy was absolutely the lead and contributive [sic] to it in a massive way, as was the director and Harold [Ramis], myself and Sigourney [Weaver]. The concept is much larger than any individual role and the promise of Ghostbusters 3 is that we get to hand the equipment and the franchise down to new blood. My character, Ray, is now blind in one eye and can’t drive the cadillac,” he says, “He’s got a bad knee and can’t carry the packs… Egon is too large to get into the harness. We need young blood and that’s the promise. We’re gonna hand it to a new generation. I like this guy Matthew Gray Gubler from the ‘Criminal Minds’ show. But there’s going to be a casting. We’re going to see everyone that wants to do it. We’re going to need… three guys and a young woman.”

Those are the words of Dan Aykroyd — original Ghostbuster, original “Saturday Night Live” cast member, Elwood Blues — discussing the likelihood of a new Ghostbusters film on the Dennis Miller Show. (Sidebar: Dennis Miller still has a Dennis Miller Show?)

One could chalk this up to yet another non-starter in the ongoing, not-delightfully maddening, story of the supposed Ghostbusters 3 that has been percolating since… Well, since the credits rolled on Ghostbusters 2 in 1989. In the interim, the characters have continued as a both a Saturday morning cartoon and a video game, but the story of a third movie persists like the reputation of “The Big Bang Theory” as a good show.

But normally the lone hold-up for the project is that Bill Murray won’t commit to making it, unlike every other prominent member of the cast, for which I give Mr. Murray nothing but credit. However, now we have Dan Aykroyd publicly stating that he is bound and determined to make this movie, literally, with or without Bill Murray. Which, I would fucking hope, means with or without Peter Venkman, as well. Not that either one would make the best Ghostbusters movie, but if Murray doesn’t participate, it would be impossible to replace him as that character. With all due respect to Mr. Aykroyd and the rest of the cast (especially Ernie Hudson, who I’ve had the pleasure of meeting and is the personification of radass), Bill Murray/Peter Venkman is the Ghostbusters. Without him, it will leave a gaping hole, and ring false for audiences who remember the originals.

Still, by setting a start-of-production-date as Summer 2012, Aykroyd is now putting all the pressure on himself to get it done. Or, at least, he’s removing a significant barrier. It’s entirely possible this is just a bluff that Bill Murray will most definitely call, but if so, then the Man Who Be Ray Stanz Again only has himself to blame. I personally think either outcome is ridiculous, unless the outcome is no Ghostbusters 3 and the end of the story. Something tells me I’ll be unhappy regardless. For what it’s worth, it is now listed as “announced” for 2012 on the IMDB.

That said, I’ve always thought a new Vacation movie that follows either/or the families of the adult Rusty/Audrey (the Griswold kids, duh-doy) could be a lot of fun, especially if Chevy Chase and Beverly D’Angelo have cameos as the grandparents. And maybe I think that simply because the series already went off the rails. But, according to Collider, that’s exactly what producer David Dobkin told them was the basic premise of a reboot of the series. I was more picturing a single movie, but baby steps. But that’s not really the movie that Chevy Chase described recently when they talked to him (and even more so than Aykroyd, it’s a lengthy statement):

“Actually I think it went back to Warners. I think New Line sold it to Warners. I don’t know what’s gonna happen with that. It’s the same thing with Fletch, I think they had Fletch and then they sold that to Warners too. So we’ll see. I mean look, I’m not gonna do Fletch unless I’m Fletch, if they start writing something for a kid who’s Fletch and I’m just helping out, “Bye.” I mean, there’s no reason why, at my age, I can’t still be Fletch. I’ve always been getting this impression that they’d like me to be mentoring a younger Fletch type thing. No, what am I James Coburn on a Western? No. Nothing against James Coburn, he’s great. Is he alive? Yeah I think he is. I think he’s very much alive. And Vacation, actually Beverly D’Angelo and I have been working on our own script, which is pretty dang funny. I’ve written an idea that would be basically like a “Swiss Family Griswold.” There’s a cruise, there’s a fire on the ship, we think the whole ship’s on fire and we jump—it’s just a little fire—and we end up on an island where we meet Randy somewhere who’s been left there from an old Survivor series. I like that idea. It’s hard to sell these things to the Warners people. It depends on who’s there and what their mood is and what they think people are gonna like.”

So, yeah.

Randy Quaid reprising Uncle Eddie as lost “Survivor” castaway? Abandoning a cruise ship because of a fire-induced comedy of errors? Whether that’s Rusty’s story or not, it sounds god damned atrocious. Vegas Vacation reads like a subtle masterpiece compared to that zaniness. As for the new Fletch, well, that will never happen as long as he demands to be the lead. Not that he can’t still play the character, just that isn’t likely to get butts in seats, and being a diva about it certainly isn’t going to sway anyone. Not that Fletch 3 needs to be made anymore than anything else I’ve written about today. Come on, Chevy, some of us love your return to comedy on “Community,” don’t start Piercing all over the place now.

In summation: There’s a reason Bill Murray is regarded as a living legend by both fans and the industry, while Dan Aykroyd and Chevy Chase are… not. Much of that reason can be found in the above blathering.


Rob Payne also writes the indie comic The Unstoppable Force, co-hosts the podcast We’re Not Fanboys, and occasionally twits about both @RobOfWar on the Twitter. In full disclosure, he gave a copy of his comic book to Ernie Hudson at a convention last year, just as a gift because he’s a fan… and he blatantly stole from paid homage to Ghostbusters 2.









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Comments

How great of a script did Dan think Blue Brothers 2000 was?

Posted by: Matt at August 26, 2011 10:08 AM

I think Chevy has proven with Community that he still has comedy chops. Chops which I was sure were long gone after he started doing nothing but crap movies a while ago. I don't see where his Island vacation story could possibly go after 30 minutes, though. Confined to one setting took so much away from Vegas Vacation and there wasn't much to take away to begin with. Christmas Vacation was fabulous in its limited surroundings but that was because the whole extended family was stuck in that spot. You put just the Griswolds and Eddy on an island, it's going to get real boring, real fast.

I admire Bill Murray for his stance on Ghostbusters. He seems to be the only one of these former comedy legends that has the brains to not want to be any part of the rebooted crap era. And no matter what Aykroyd says, after this amount of time, and especially if they're "handing off the torch", it's not a fucking sequel.

Posted by: Paultera at August 26, 2011 10:21 AM

The 80s called. They said they're sorry for breaking the stuff in your apartment and would like another chance. It's just they got really angry when you called them shallow and went out with the dirty, smelly 90s.

Posted by: Fredo at August 26, 2011 10:38 AM

I'm sad that Harold Ramis is too fast to bust.

Posted by: Jay at August 26, 2011 10:46 AM

Fat, even. He might still be fast, look at "Sidehackers".

Posted by: Jay at August 26, 2011 10:46 AM

Aykroyd seems determined to pass the torch to a new team of Ghostbusters, but doesn't that defeat the point of making a Ghostbusters movie? We love the characters, not just the concept.

But then, the same is true of not involving Bill Murray. He's the necessary this-is-ridiculous character, like Han Solo.

We just don't need another Ghostbusters movie.

Posted by: Grafty at August 26, 2011 10:56 AM

The solution to all this seems simple no?

National Lampoon's Scary Vacation

Posted by: Socrates_Johnson at August 26, 2011 11:01 AM

"the story of a third movie persists like the reputation of “The Big Bang Theory” as a good show"

I haven't seen past the third series yet, but from what I've seen of it "The Big Bang Theory" is a brilliant show. How dare you.

But as for the idea of Ghostbusters without Bill Murray.... back off man, I'm a scientist. ;)

Posted by: Fatpie42 at August 26, 2011 11:06 AM

I tried to watch that Big Bang thing. Hated it. Thanks for bein' ma boo in that.

I think Chevy and Dan fell into the Everything I Do Is Awesome Pit without a ladder.

Posted by: Agogagogo at August 26, 2011 11:08 AM

If they're really hell-bent on making Ghostbusters 3, then here's an idea - hand the movie to Wes Anderson. Call me crazy, but with him we could really get something bizarre. Plus it heavily increases the possibility of Murray joining the cast.

And Chevy - Jim Coburn is most certainly dead. He's been gone for nearly a decade.

Posted by: Bert at August 26, 2011 11:30 AM

Ok, since we're going to do the Big Bang Theory thing now....I'm a fan. I love the fact that quirky, nerdy characters get the chance to lead a series outside of the RomCom, nerd-gets-girl stuff. (And yes, BBT does have some elements of that meme. Perhaps that's what irks people so.)

While they do a lot of the cute-girl-on-nerd action, most likely to get the RomCom audience involved, it's the interactions between the male characters on the show that make it worth watching. I dig the intelligentsia jokes. Thanks to my undergrad degree, I understand at least the basics of the math and science behind them. (See Mom, it was worth all those student loans.)

Usually in sitcomland, the nerd gets sidelined into the comic foil, while the "normal" characters carry the show. In BBT, the nerds ARE the show, and they're not (generally) dehumanized as sideshow freaks. There's real insight into what makes them tic, and we develop empathy for their awkwardness and failings.

Posted by: NateS1973 at August 26, 2011 11:44 AM

I would rather watch a home video of Bill Murray enacting a self-written script for Ghostbusters 3 in his house with paper mache ghosts and green gel-enhanced flashlights subbing for the proton pack streams than watch a full-budget CGI version without Bill Murray. In fact, the more I think about it, the more amazing option #1 sounds.

As for Vacation, I'm pretty sure that Randy Quaid was granted refugee status here in Canada and would be arrested the second he stepped on US soil. Oh, and also, he's become really unpleasant as has Chevy. Maybe a version where Clark has died and Mrs. Griswold takes her grown kids Johnny Galecki and Juliette Lewis on a cruise or something...yeah, let's just scrap the whole thing.

Posted by: Nicole at August 26, 2011 12:21 PM

bill murray has evolved from the slap stick days of eighties greats like ghost busters and stripes to tragic comedies where it takes the entire movie to get to the punch line but once there its with you for years. life aquatic, tenenbaums. i love this man.

Posted by: carrboroninja at August 26, 2011 12:23 PM

Ghostbusters 3? Since I fail to recognize there was ever a Ghostbusters 2, I don't understand how there can even BE a 3.

How will we they know when they've scraped the bottom of the 80's re-make barrel? When they strike "Gremlins"?

Posted by: MadameUgly at August 26, 2011 12:58 PM

Honestly I Don't understand why Bill Murray would refused to do Ghostbusters 3. Could be a bluff, or he could be trying to get more money. I mean say if he has 2 or 3 other projects going, that he has to miss in order to do a 3rd Ghostbusters movie that might ultimately tank anyway, you've got to understand Bill Murray's angle. He'd be saying no to more money on other projects.

But him not being with the project would suck. I'd hate to not see him or to just see him only make a brief guest appearance.
Fans would be very dissatisfied not to see the entire main cast return after this long having been such a memorable icon that Ghostbusters has been all these years.

I hope it's just a bluff...

As for Chevy Chase, he'll milk the Vacation movies until he dies. No matter what; the Christmas Vacation movie marathons will go on for decades.
It just doesn't really matter, in my cavernous opinionator of ceaseless quandaries.

Posted by: billbixbee at August 26, 2011 1:37 PM

Was Dan Akroyd ever funny? I can't think of anything ever that he has done that made me laugh. He's been on funny shows and in funny movies, but they were funny despite, not because of, him (Trading Places possibly being the singular exception). Chevy Chase should have OD'd or something after the first Fletch. Everything since has been painful (haven't seen Community, sounds like he might be earning back some of his cred back).

Who wants to see Nothing But Trouble 2?

Posted by: Greedy at August 26, 2011 1:40 PM

“Yes, it's true your honor. Bill Murray has no dick.”

Does he honestly think that he has some big reputation as a "serious actor" to protect? After Zombieland, that ship has sailed. He is the very definition of stunt casting.

He can't show up for a two day shoot to help his old buds make a few millions?

If you want to pass the torch, start the movie with Murray getting killed. Shoot a day's worth of Ghost Murray in front of a green screen.

You are being a dick, Bill. A complete dick.

Posted by: The Mutt at August 26, 2011 7:36 PM

I truly, truly wish this comment were more timely, but alas, here in the middle of the Pacific ocean, timely moments are few and far between. That being said, I will now cry my opinion into the cold, merciless void:

Greedy, if you do not find Dan Akroyd funny in the original Blues Brothers, then you, sir(or lady; I don't know your life) have no soul. This is an irrefutable fact.

Posted by: noodlestein at August 26, 2011 8:52 PM

I remember a fantastic piece Vanity Fair did on life backstage at Saturday Night Live. You can read it here:

Link http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2002/09/snl200209

It's long but it's a great read (e.g., John Lovitz on 'Tonto, Tarzan and Frankenstein.') Read comments by Terry Sweeney (p. 12) about how Chevy Chase treated people backstage upon returning as a guest host.

Wow.

Posted by: Johnnyboy at August 26, 2011 9:01 PM

One role and he's stunt cast fodder. Ha. Run along little doggie.

Posted by: Alex00 at August 26, 2011 9:24 PM

Thank you Bill for being the only one of the crew that realizes this is going to suck ass. I mean come the fuck on...are we supposed to believe that these guys are still lugging around all that equipment today? Didn't they already do the whole "Heroes turned into failures, back into heroes" bit in the sequel? What is left for the series to do? Other than make gobs of money and disappoint fans.

No...knowing today's studios its going to be a shit storm. I can totally see the "next generation" of Ghostbusters getting written in, made up of the latest annoying little shits pumped out by Disney or whatever. If Spielberg can totally shit all over the legacy of "Indiana Jones", I sure as shit believe that whatever supposed script that Akroyd wrote, even if it didn't suck, is going to be utterly destroyed by studio execs shoving CGI crap and Shia Leboef (however you spell that little shits name) in it. Because its certain, that the moment they get Bill attached, that all control leaves the actors, and it ends up into a Michael Bay CGI craptastic fuck fest.

Has their honestly been a project like this that didn't suck? And why should Bill Murray have to drop everything to rehash a character when he has moved on. I mean from his perspective its pathetic and beneath him. When will it stop? Is he going to have to resign his career playing the same characters from his previous movies?

Hell if I was Bill, I would tell Akroyd to just eat shit in regards to any project just for appearing in "Caddyshack II". Hell...lets just have Akroyd do the same thing as in that film. Take over Bill's character, and play it to a level that no one can even remember why the goofball character was liked in the first place, and collect a check.

Posted by: Diablo at August 27, 2011 10:16 AM

Nerd pandering does not a funny show make.

Just because it's the only nerd based show on TV doesn't make it a good one.

If a show reminds me of the Simpson's making fun of a sitcom, then it's really not a good show. However, I'd still take it over 2.5 men any day and twice on Sunday.

Posted by: enon at August 27, 2011 4:45 PM

Noodlestein, I have no soul. Been a long kong time since i've seen Blues Brothers, I can't remember if he is funny or not. But even if he was, that doesn't make up for Spies Like Us, Yogi Bear, Dragnet, the Conheads movie, BB 2000 and motherfucking Caddyshack II.

Posted by: Greedy at August 27, 2011 5:13 PM

Rob, what can you tell us about the Ashton Kutcher casting rumor? (Yes, it's out there...Google away, people) What do you Pajibans think about replacing the wonderfully quirky zombie movie cameoing Murray w/ that abrasive pretty boy douche? You all think it's a great idea, right?

Posted by: stryker1121 at August 28, 2011 11:29 AM

They already tried to make a Ghostbusters 3.
But, since they couldn't get Bill Murray, they called it Evolution.

Posted by: Jordan at August 29, 2011 2:12 AM

Not one person realized that apparently casting a (or more than one! gasp!) female in one of the lead roles, instead of T&A/eye candy, was beyond the intellectual ability of these jagoffs?

Posted by: Anon at August 29, 2011 5:48 AM