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"Dollhouse" is renewed...


...and the geeks rejoice / Seth Freilich

Trade News | May 16, 2009 | Comments (78)


Yes, word came down late Friday that Fox renewed “Dollhouse” for a 13-episode second season. While the show’s ratings were junk, Joss Whedon had convinced the network that he could do the show with a smaller budget (he did this by showing them the unaired extra episode from this season which you’ll have to wait to see on DVD). More importantly, the show has fairly good DVR and online streaming numbers, which is no surprise, because the geeks love them some Joss. And Fox likely figured it will see some pretty good DVD sales for the show, at least, better than for a random new show that flops after two weeks (and I’m also sure it didn’t hurt any that Friday is a graveyard anyways as Fox took the “what the fuck” approach).

Personally, I’m more happy about the renewal as a fan of TV than I am as a fan of “Dollhouse.” The first half of the season stunk, as both Dustin and I talked about ad naseum. The second half was certainly a marked improvement, and Alan Tudyk’s run at the end was fantastic (if he doesn’t deserve an Emmy nod for his performance in the finale, I don’t know who does). But there are still some weak spots with the show, with Dushku being the primary one. I’ll watch the second season, don’t get me wrong, I just would not have cried had the show not been picked up (no word on the fate of “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles” yet, a show I truly for-reals want to get renewed).

But as a fan of TV in general, this is even greater news. It’s been, and will continue to be, a slow road as the networks and the industry accept the role of new technology. I think we all know how bogus the Neilson numbers, alone, are in terms of how popular a show is or how much money it can make a network (particularly since some shows make more money through DVD sales than they ever made through on-air ad revenue). So I love that Fox was willing to look at all the factors in making a decision, not just the live numbers (and make no mistake that this was not some “Jericho”-like nod to the fans, because Fox has long shown it doesn’t give a shit about fanbase — this is a business decision, pure and simple). Even if experiments like this have to begin with the Friday shitslot, that’s ok. It’s a start.

…We’ll talk a lot more about Fox after its upfronts on Monday.


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Comments

Nielsen Ratings. The idiocy fucking kills me.

Posted by: Mick J at May 16, 2009 4:27 PM

Hurrah! *does shamelessly geeky happy dance*

Alan Tudyk has been one of my favorite actors for years. Thanks to the Dollhouse season finale, all my friends have had the pleasure of me sending them the hulu link with the message, "See??? See how amazing he is???" Needless to say, my friends kind of hate me right now.

I'm just puzzled as to what kind of direction it's going to take now. Personally, I'd love to see a strong focus on Dollhouse vs. Alpha, but that could just be me. What can I say? I'm not a big stand-alone episode kind of girl. Not when a series has such an intriguing mythology, anyway.

It's kind of like when you find out a friend just had a baby/promotion/electromagnetic "incident", and all they want to talk about is their new pencil sharpener. And then you want to shake them, shouting, "Come on! Gimme the good stuff already!"

*crickets chirping*

But that could just be me.

Posted by: ShinyKate at May 16, 2009 4:39 PM

See Dustin? Saying it'd get cancelled? Saying it was no good?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnFAuoksxlk
'Nuff Said.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at May 16, 2009 4:40 PM

I pretty much agreed (reluctantly) with you and Dustin about the early episodes. And my earlier defense of Eliza Dushku now embarrasses me.

But I'm pleasantly surprised that I will get to see more Dollhouse, because the last half of this season was fucking amazing, and the finale had me on the edge of my seat. There were several shocking plot twists, and I'm happy that I'll get to see them play out.

Nothing against Tudyk, God bless him; but I initially thought casting him as Alpha was slightly ridiculous. Then he blew my fucking mind. MOAR please!

Posted by: Jerce at May 16, 2009 4:42 PM

*eye roll*

I see no reason to rejoice at this. Connor Chronicles didn't get renewed. Dollhouse is fucking WEAK, man. Oh and don't rejoice TOO much, Fox will do what they always do slot it in an awful time and let it fester until it dies.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at May 16, 2009 4:44 PM

I've tried and tried to enjoy every show Whedon has made, but everytime I watch one it only deepens my conviction that the man is a hack and that my fellow nerds have lousy taste in television.

Posted by: jbrader at May 16, 2009 4:48 PM

Too bad Slim. Guess nobody has good taste but you.
But seeing as how Sarah Connor is gone, everyone will want Summer Glau for Dollhouse.
Problem with this is that the girl has done very little that wasn't just "be weird". If she's going to be a doll she needs a lot more range.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at May 16, 2009 4:52 PM

I'm a geek. I do not rejoice.

Blargh.

Posted by: figgy at May 16, 2009 4:54 PM

If she's going to be a doll she needs a lot more range.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at May 16, 2009 4:52 PM

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No, I don't think so, she just needs the same range Dushku has, by which I mean, not much.


PS: And thank you for recognizing.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at May 16, 2009 5:06 PM

The only reason I watch is because of Amy Acker.

I would prefer that the Sarah Connor Chronicles be renewed.

Posted by: John W at May 16, 2009 5:14 PM

*ptooie*

All TV should be canceled so people would read more books.

Lawn. Mine. Off.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at May 16, 2009 5:18 PM

Count me among those who are glad to see it coming back. The fact that Amy Acker will remain a fixture on my television screens makes my front bottom all tingly.

Posted by: Spender at May 16, 2009 5:36 PM

So. THAT'S why the finale was the way it was.

I was right.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at May 16, 2009 5:41 PM

Problem with this is that the girl has done very little that wasn't just "be weird". If she's going to be a doll she needs a lot more range.

Unless she becomes the star, then all she has to do is wear thigh high stockings and ignore the muffled shrieks of her SAG card as everyone acts circles around her.

I just want T:TSCC renewed or saved by another network.

Posted by: jM at May 16, 2009 5:48 PM

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Posted by: cathy green at May 16, 2009 5:48 PM

This is what I said about the finale, in case no one read it -- and it was the last comment on the Top 20 TV Shows thread, so I'm betting no one did...

And it's

*****SPOILER ALERT, for those of you who STILL HAVEN'T SEEN THE FINALE*****



Since Whedon probably knew going into this that it wouldn't be returning, why didn't he give Echo closure? He put her back in the fucking box, for chrissakes, as if the damned series were returning. Does he know something we don't know? IS it returning?



*****END SPOILER*****


Though if you haven't seen the finale by now, you probably don't give a shit. But who knows, maybe a fan or two has it in the DVR cue and still hasn't got around to it. Though why a fan would be reading this thread if s/he really really CARED about hitting a spoiler by ACCIDENT is beyond me.

And yeah, I'm fuckin' rambling. Live with the pain.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at May 16, 2009 5:50 PM

jM --

"...ignore the muffled shrieks of her SAG card as everyone acts circles around her."

Oh, god, I'm in gorgeous language heaven.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at May 16, 2009 5:55 PM

I'm moderately pleased, because I'd like to see more of Alpha, Acker, and shirtless Tahmoh. (And making more use of Mark Sheppard would be nice, too).
Also because I hope Seth is right, and this is the first symptom of a network finally taking it's fucking thumb out of it's retarded, Neilsen-fixated ass.

Now, some news on Chuck would be nice.....

Posted by: tarn at May 16, 2009 6:05 PM

i'm just really happy to be here.
with a nice fresh thread for hi-jacking.

*ahem*

DOWN WITH O.P.P.!!!
(yeah you know me)

Posted by: gp at May 16, 2009 6:22 PM

HA! SUCK IT, ROWLES!

I kid because I love. I'm actually more excited to see it return than I thought it would be. Hopefully, they'll do more with the overarcing mythology now, and not so much with the stand-alone stuff.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at May 16, 2009 6:26 PM

Definitely agree about Terminator, in the sense that THAT is a show that has slowly earned its right to exist, by the end of the second season it was a great show -- too bad it's almost certainly doomed, though with the new movie coming out I feel like there's a glimmer of a chance that they might use that to hype a third season.

I still enjoy Dollhouse and am happy it's coming back, though!

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2009 6:45 PM

I really just want them to kill Echo. Just kill her. Do it!
It'd be a big Whedon twist.
Then just put more Sierra in every episode. Lots more.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at May 16, 2009 7:08 PM

A comment on her actressin' or her lifestyle?

You be the judge (note background sign):

http://popcultured.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/eliza-dushku.jpg

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at May 16, 2009 7:15 PM

I think her lifestyle is symbiotic to her actressin' or at least getting gigs.
Strangely enough, that picture of her just reminded me of Rose McGowan (V.1.0) for some reason.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at May 16, 2009 7:31 PM

I really don't like her. I'll let that be known now. Terrible actress and her presence on the show drags everything.
However, I would do things to her. Unspeakable things.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at May 16, 2009 7:34 PM

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__See king tall.Co m___

helps you find tall and sexy lovers

Posted by: linda white at May 16, 2009 7:35 PM

It may be true that The Dush is so dumb that she couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the directions were written on the heel.
It may also be true that "Dollhouse" would be a much better show of Whedon killed the "Echo" character.
But it is a certified, written-in-stone fact that I would ALSO do deliciously unspeakable things with and to Ms. Eliza Dushku.
Since that'll never happen, I'll just wait for the inevitable sex tape to be "leaked" to the intarwebs.

Posted by: Spender at May 16, 2009 7:47 PM

And just who IS this mysterious "King Tall" that Linda White so desperately wants us to see?

Posted by: Spender at May 16, 2009 7:49 PM

I would do things to her. Unspeakable things.

I would ALSO do deliciously unspeakable things with and to Ms. Eliza Dushku.

.....aaaaand that's why she's on the show, and why she's still going to be on the show, regardless of whether or not her acting will ever trouble the Emmy judges.

(Because she causes increased bloodflow to the genital organs of many viewers, I mean. In case anyone didn't get it).

Posted by: Tarn at May 16, 2009 8:08 PM

And just who IS this mysterious "King Tall" that Linda White so desperately wants us to see?

I bet it's branded trying to drum up publicity. WE KNOW YOUR WAYS, TALL PERSON!

Posted by: figgy at May 16, 2009 8:27 PM

Well, in that case,branded, I am genuinely in need of a tall, sexy lover for this evening.
I will be equally happy with a lover of average height and the sexy factor doesn't have to be all that high.
Help a 'jiban out?

Posted by: Spender at May 16, 2009 8:38 PM

And thus this becomes The Official Weekend Hijack Thread (Now With 20% MORE 'Dollhouse' Love)?
I'd say so but we need a ruling from the esteemed commadaddy.

Posted by: Spender at May 16, 2009 8:46 PM

Dushku most certainly gave some Fox executive a blowjob, that's the only reasonable theory for renewal.

Meanwhile, Don't count out "Terminator" just yet.

Posted by: Cindy at May 16, 2009 8:56 PM

(Because she causes increased bloodflow to the genital organs of many viewers, I mean. In case anyone didn't get it).
Posted by: Tarn at May 16, 2009 8:08 PM
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Now, now, Tarn... The Statham isn't going to win any Oscars but the ladies are allowed to lust mightily for him, no?
Equal opportunity perviness is in the Pajiba Constitution, isn't it?
Well, it should be.

Posted by: Spender at May 16, 2009 9:08 PM

Yay. I really like Dollhouse. I don't care if the first half of the season was slow and needless, I like the show and I'm glad to see it's not dead.

Posted by: Lucas at May 16, 2009 9:43 PM

I'd say so but we need a ruling from the esteemed commadaddy.

Posted by: Spender at May 16, 2009 8:46 PM
---
Go.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at May 16, 2009 10:31 PM

you guys got a review of the end of prison break yet i watched it. i won't spoil it for anybody.

Posted by: utah dynamo at May 16, 2009 10:32 PM

You guys carry on without me, and I DO mean "carry on." I'm going to be pretty much incommunicado for a couple days, doing the old in-and-out to Hartford (heh, I heard some "That's right, fuck Hartford"s out there).

Speaking of carry-on, I'll be waving from 25,000 feet at all you 'Jibans on the Pittsburgh-Philly-Bradley Int'l corridor. Or dropping shit on you, or spitting out the window or something.

Be cool.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at May 16, 2009 10:38 PM

I wanted to like this show from day one, but every passing episode hurled a little more crap at my Fortress of Whedon Love, until at about episode 8 the walls were breached and I was able to admit to myself that the show sucked. Even Alan Tudyk in the last two episodes just showed how boring the rest of the show is in comparison.

I'm still excited at the prospect of a second season, but only on the condition that the show changes significantly for the better. I know the whole first season was shot before the first episode was shown, so they weren't able to hear any criticism until it was too late. I'm hoping that, now that Joss has heard how much the show sucks so many times, he'll start bringing his A game.

Posted by: James at May 16, 2009 11:14 PM

Count me as being very happy about this, the second half of Dollhouse was great. Especially Spy in the House of Love. Oh, and Tudyk walking down stairs that don't have risers.

A second season should be awesome.

Posted by: Caillan at May 16, 2009 11:38 PM

I lurve TCFKAB....

Posted by: Spender at May 16, 2009 11:45 PM

*blush*

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at May 17, 2009 12:06 AM

All of us in Hartford will be waiting for you to arrive. After all, there's nuthin' else to do in this town.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at May 17, 2009 12:12 AM

Cool.

I'd like to see Terminator come back too, but I'm not gonna hold my breath... eh, who knows? I've given up trying to understand network decisions.

I'm still kinda mad that Fox canceled "Action."

Posted by: Slash at May 17, 2009 1:13 AM

"Action" was brilliant, Slash.
When they cancelled that show, I totally soured on Fox and have given them little to no love since.
It's why I wasn't surprised when 'Firefly' took a hosing.

Posted by: Spender at May 17, 2009 1:33 AM

This Weekend Hijack Thread kinda blows.
*This comment has not been approved by Sober Kballs*

Posted by: Kballs at May 17, 2009 1:38 AM

True, Kballs.
Where are figgy, Genny, Maryscott... and all of the ladies who make my front bottom tingle?

Posted by: Spender at May 17, 2009 1:57 AM

I'd say shifting focus to Adele, Sierra, and Whisky (as we now know her to be) instead of Echo would infinitely improve this show. In terms of leading ladies, those 3 are so much better leading ladies, and also hotter than Dushku. Yeah, that's right, I don't think Dushku is all that...sure she's sluttier, but so is Paris Silly-Putty-Face Hilton.

Posted by: Joker at May 17, 2009 6:34 AM

I'm kinda pleased that Dollhouse will be back. The second half really picked up and, like just about everyone else, I loved Tudyk's two episodes. Will it ever be one of Whedon's best shows? No, but I think there's a decent chance it will be reasonably enjoyable.

But I broke my nose last night and tried to make it stop hurting with jager bombs, so my judgement COULD be off. I don't think it is. But it could be.

Posted by: PaleoLithchick at May 17, 2009 10:49 AM

Clever girl, figgy. I never was able to hide any of my plans from you.
Currently, I am actually the Archduke of Tall and Sexy Lovers. I'm still working my way up the ranks of nobility. I am not King Tall...yet.

Posted by: branded at May 17, 2009 10:53 AM

you BROKE your nose, paleo?
wtf?! are you ok?

also there's nothing about alan's last name that i would change.
unless it were threedyk.

i'm going to go masturbate to egg radio now.

Posted by: gp at May 17, 2009 12:10 PM

First thought after reading the title: god damn it, what about Terminator?!?

*sigh*

Posted by: snapnhiss at May 17, 2009 12:40 PM

Good morning, Pajibaland!

Yes, it's 11:52 here and I am just waking up--so, morning.

Looks like I missed a lot of drunken hijinks last night.

*yawns and stretches*

So, what's up on this lovely Sunday morning?

Posted by: figgy at May 17, 2009 1:54 PM

Huh. I guess everyone must be nursing their hangovers.

Posted by: figgy at May 17, 2009 3:01 PM

I went to Barnes and Noble today and is anyone else confused by those places? Can't they just organize it like a library, so I can find things by author? It hides all the normal fiction way in the back behind all the "self help" and "spiritual journey".
Last time I went to try and find "Into the Wild" they had it tucked away with travel books. He dies! It's not a guide to going to Alaska! Don't be dumb!
And I was trying to find David Foster Wallace and suddenly got turned around and ended up in manga. Scared, I slowly backed away and hoped no one saw me.
It's as if they don't want me to buy real books.
And to make it all worse, after I found what I wanted to purchase, I stumbled upon The Zombie Survival Guide and I had to let it go.
Damned Barnes and Noble. Make up your mind! Do you want to confuse me or entice me?

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at May 17, 2009 3:13 PM

The one thing I can say for "Dollhouse" in its defense is that Whedon is the kind of writer that takes his time to develop his shows. Give him enough time and he'll find the legs to make an intriguing (at least interesting) show. Maybe FOX has realized that and is willing to invest enough (another 13 eps) in the hope that he can finally find whatever will make Dollhouse a hit.

Personally I doubt it since Dushku (hot as she may be) is still the focal point of the story and she's arguably its weakest part. Perhaps a change in dynamic (making the story more about Lennix's character or making it about the various Dolls alongside Dushku) could give the show more life.

I do hope they bring back T:TSCC -- although I'm expecting that its fate is tied to the success of Terminator Salvation. If the movie does great, FOX may want to keep the show going for at least 1 more season.

Posted by: Fredo at May 17, 2009 3:45 PM

Love Dollhouse. Love this news. Even feel my hangover beginning to wane a little.

Posted by: The Pink Hulk at May 17, 2009 3:46 PM

i'm going to go masturbate to egg radio now.
Posted by: gp at May 17, 2009 12:10 PM
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Errrmmm... we run a nice little online radio station... but, spank-worthy?
Should I feel complimented, offended, a touch disgusted or some weird combo of the three, gp?

Posted by: Spender at May 17, 2009 4:08 PM

I 100% agree with this post and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

* Dollhouse coming back being good? Check.
* First half sucked, got much, much better? Check.
* Tudyk making the finale amazing? Check.
* Dushku being the weakest link? Check.

YOU ARE READING MY MIND

Posted by: Joe D at May 17, 2009 4:14 PM

spender, i can get off to just about anything. nuns, puppies, daisy of love.

Posted by: gp at May 17, 2009 5:31 PM

gp Yup, I broke it all right. My derby team had a bout in New Orleans last night, and I broke it right at the beginning of the first half. While I was jamming. It was a totally freak accident, this girl on the other team (Joan Cougar MenstrualCramps) started to fall, and her flailng arm caught me across the bridge of the nose while I was skating full speed. I sucked it up and kept playing, but MAN it was rough.

I'm really dreading having it reset tomorrow, and have spent most of the day miserable on the couch watching junk TV. But ultimately, I guess I'm okay.

Topic? Is it just me, or has Dushku gotten worse, acting-wise? I mean, she wasn't a GREAT actress on Buffy, but at least Faith was entertaining--when I didn't want to wring her neck...

Posted by: PaleoLithchick at May 17, 2009 7:07 PM

Paleo! You do the derby?
THAT is awesome.
"Joan Cougar MenstrualCramps" made Red Stripe spary all over my keyboard.
And the broken nose? I've always thought those were kinda seckseh on the lady-types.
Hope you're feeling better.

Posted by: Spender at May 17, 2009 7:23 PM

strange, i was supposed to go see the green country rollergirls tonight in broken arrow, but i've had a bitch sore throat and cough all day.
hope it sets right!

Posted by: gp at May 17, 2009 7:23 PM

Oh... and The Dush's alleged actressin' ability does seem to be on the decline.

Posted by: Spender at May 17, 2009 7:24 PM

Maybe Dushku will take some acting classes this summer.

And sorry, Statham and Penikett will have to take off way more than their shirts to equal the t+a show that Dushku has put on for all the boygeeks.

Posted by: jz at May 17, 2009 7:30 PM

Speaking of low-rated yet much-talked about shows getting renewals, Chuck got renewed!!!

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/05/nbc-renews-chuck.html

hurray!

Posted by: chayes at May 17, 2009 8:20 PM

io9 is reporting that T:SCC is officially dead. If they're right I'm going to crawl into a small hole and just give up on trying to be faithful to good television shows. So I really, really, really hope Summer Glau gets a spot on Dollhouse if it's true. I've gotten used to seeing her vacant stare at some body just before she kicks some ass. Seems like it should be a good fit for her.

Posted by: Roaddog at May 17, 2009 9:06 PM

Chuck got renewed?!

CHUCK GOT RENEWED!

CRACK OUT THE CHAMPAGNE AND SUBWAY SANDWICHES PEOPLE!!!

SpenderDon't get too excited, I'm having it put back to normal. :) But yeah, I've been playing for Red Stick Roller Derby for about 9 months now. I love my team (and they better love ME for skating with a broken face). JCM DOES have a great name, but most derby names are pretty cool. On my team we have Abita Hoedown, Sigga Please, Dee Zasta, and Anita Styphcoq (to name a few). Oh, and mine is Heidi Volatile. Having a fun name is a perk!

gp I've heard good things about GCR! Are they fun to watch?

Posted by: PaleoLithchick at May 17, 2009 10:00 PM

they make me feel like they'd kick my ass because they're so much more brutal than i could ever be! but they are totally cool chicks.
a few of them are friends with my bosses so we put their posters on display for them.

Posted by: gp at May 17, 2009 10:18 PM

Even if you don't like Dollhouse you should still be happy that Fox is giving it another shot. With all of the shit out there and the tendency to just take the cookie-cutter approach its nice to see a creative guy like Joss get the chance to keep working and do what he did with his other shows, which was build on what he started with and make a really good series that is a lot better than most of the rest of what is out there.

Posted by: Dave at May 17, 2009 11:27 PM

Yes indeedy, Chuck got renewed. But, like Dollhouse, only for 13 episodes. And with a reduced budget. So reduced that one of the supporting cast is apparently not going to be returning. Still, it's better than no Chuck at all.

Posted by: Popcultureboy at May 18, 2009 2:24 AM

Spender,
yeah, but Statham isn't the weakest point in his movies. I'm all for the hottness, but not at the expense of the show.

Posted by: Tarn at May 18, 2009 7:02 AM

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AAAAAAH!! I WAS THERE! I TOTALLY SAW THAT HAPPEN! Sorry. Got a little excited. I went to that bout with the Finn McCool's crew...had plans after so I didn't make it to the after-party at Finn's. DID YOU GO!?!?!? THAT'S MY BAR!!! Sorry, again. Excited.

Posted by: jamiepants at May 18, 2009 11:50 AM

Paleo, that was supposed to quote your retelling of your broken nose story.
I didn't stay through your whole bout though...what was the outcome?

Posted by: jamiepants at May 18, 2009 11:54 AM

HOLY CRAP, IT'S A TINY ASS WORLD!!!

Damn skippy I was at the after-party! I was trying to see if jager bombs would act as a local anesthetic! (They didn't)

DId you enjoy the bout? Did we look okay? We never got a roster, and no one told us the Punches were subbing All Stars. ARE YOU COMING UP TO BATON ROUGE ON JUNE 27TH TO WATCH RSRD DESTROY AUBURN?!?!?!

Posted by: PaleoLithchick at May 18, 2009 4:11 PM

Oh yeah, the outcome! Well, it wound up being either 71-114 or 76-114. Dude, it was so awesome to play in New Orleans! I can't believe someone from the boards was actually there!!!

Posted by: PaleoLithchick at May 18, 2009 4:14 PM

This was actually the first bout I've been to. One of my close friends is on the StoryVillains so it makes me a really bad friend that this was my first. I thought it was awesome. I may have to make a special attempt to drive up there on the 27th.

Posted by: jamiepants at May 19, 2009 11:09 AM

The StoryVillains are AWESOME, they're one of my favorite teams. And yeah, you DO have to make a special attempt to drive up -- it's gonna be a fantastic bout, it's probably our last home bout for the season and we're going to be pulling out all of the stops! :)

Posted by: PaleoLithchick at May 19, 2009 4:36 PM