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By Steven Lloyd Wilson | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (13)



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We first heard of Roland Emmerich’s plan to desecrate 20th century science fiction back in October, noting:

Foundation is the legendary science fiction series by Isaac Asimov, telling the story of the fall of the 10,000-year Galactic Empire into a new dark age, a dark age foreseen by predictive social scientists such that they plan for it, in order to minimize its effect. The tale spans millennia, has no continuous characters running throughout, was originally published as a series of short stories, and is considered one of the greatest works of science fiction of the twentieth century. Naturally Roland Emmerich is planning a trilogy of movies. *Twitch*

Today Emmerich announced that he plans on using the technology of Avatar to shoot the films in 3D.

Did he read the novels? There are no fucking aliens. What is he going to use the face-mapping technology for? Mapping his wife’s face onto his mistress’s body so it’s not technically cheating? The novels are essentially one conversation after another, beautiful constructs of thought experiments and philosophy, but almost nothing in the way of action.

Here’s what Asimov himself said about the original Foundation trilogy once he began working on a fourth volume:

I picked up my own copy of The Foundation Trilogy and began reading.

I had to. For one thing, I hadn’t read the Trilogy in thirty years and while I remembered the general plot, I did not remember the details. Besides, before beginning a new Foundation novel I had to immerse myself in the style and atmosphere of the series.

I read it with mounting uneasiness. I kept waiting for something to happen, and nothing ever did.

All three volumes, all the nearly quarter of a million words, consisted of thoughts and of conversations. No action. No physical suspense.

What was all the fuss about, then? Why did everyone want more of that stuff? — To be sure, I couldn’t help but notice that I was turning the pages eagerly, and that I was upset when I finished the book, and that I wanted more, but I was the author, for goodness’ sake. You couldn’t go by me.

I was on the edge of deciding it was all a terrible mistake and of insisting on giving back the money, when (quite by accident, I swear) I came across some sentences by science-fiction writer and critic, James Gunn, who, in connection with the Foundation series, said, “Action and romance have little to do with the success of the Trilogy — virtually all the action takes place offstage, and the romance is almost invisible — but the stories provide a detective-story fascination with the permutations and reversals of ideas.”

Oh, well, if what was needed were “permutations and reversals of ideas,” then that I could supply. Panic receded.

Look, the fact that Emmerich wants to do this set of films at all is genuinely admirable. There is no quick buck to be made here, no expectation of a $100 million opening weekend. You can miss the point, be a charlatan and want to make Lord of the Rings because of the giant fantasy battles, you can miss the point, be a heretic and want to make Dune because of the mile long sand worms and explosions. But you can’t miss the point and want to make Foundation … if you miss the point then you’re just bored by all the conversations and rambling. So Emmerich must want to really make a Foundation film right.

But the problem is that Emmerich has not managed to date to prove that he can make a film up to par with this source material, and announcements like wanting to use Avatar’s 3D just hammers home that point. The starting point of wisdom is in knowing what you aren’t capable of. Roland, if you really do care for this source material as it seems you must, ask yourself honestly if yours should be the hands at this helm.

(source: SciFi Wire)









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Comments

Why do you do this to me first thing in the morning, SLW? I suppose I should blame Dustin since he sets the publishing schedule. There is no reason to make these films. None. The fact that literally generations pass in between books will really mess with a constant narrative usually needed in movies. Never mind that for the first movie and a half, all the audience is going to be doing is listening to dialog and, as we've seen, that's not usually the most profitable route to take. Those of us who know and love the books would be in the seats but I don't know if I want to hang with that many nerds at one time.

They could actually be made but they would have to be very faithful to the books as, if they aren't, the films would miss much of the political and sociological connotations not to mention the mathematics when you get to the Second Foundation. That's part of why I love the books so much, Asimov filled them to bursting with social commentary with enough insight and forethought that they still remain relevant today. I just don't know if you could translate that to the screen and still convince studio douchetards to give you the money to do it.

The fact the Emmerich is even considering using 3-D simply proves that he's out to make a buck and has no interest in actually making a movie that's true to the source material. 3-D has no place in this trilogy and is simply a tool he's using to get money from the studios so he can rape out minds like The Mule.

Posted by: admin at March 4, 2010 9:17 AM

Nice slap at the critics, Isaac. That's funny.

Posted by: , at March 4, 2010 9:22 AM

Writers never fully appreciate their own works.

Posted by: Name: at March 4, 2010 9:27 AM

This is one of the few works of science fiction literature I genuinely enjoy. I also appreciated the live action 3-D elements of Avatar, even if they got a little "give me a migraine" in the very white Avatar link-up laboratory. However, adapting a work of science fiction with no action for the big screen is a big mistake. Huge. I cannot imagine a way this will work, and I still insist 28 Days Later would make a wonderful stage musical.

Posted by: Robert at March 4, 2010 10:39 AM

I really don't know anything about the series but with the taste of 2012 still fresh in my mouth I feel I am qualified to say this movie will suck robo-balls.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at March 4, 2010 11:23 AM

I was reading about this earlier in the week over at http://www.empireonline.com/news/feed.asp?NID=27160 and one thing in particular broke any kind of hope I had for Emmerich succeeding in making a decent adaptation. He says early on that he wants it to be true to the story in a way that "I, Robot" wasn't but then says about screenwriter Robert Rodat, "Bob’s perfect for this thing - he also knows as a writer he has to find the hero and a bad guy in the piece. We had to come up with characters that go through [the series], which is very hard." Its not just hard, its impossible to do and stay true to the story at the same time. There isn't a singular "bad guy" in the series. Granted, the second book has The Mule but that's just that book. He also says he wants characters that persist throughout the story but the story is set over a thousand years! The first book alone lasts six hundred. With the exception of the holographic ghost of Harry Seldon, there just can't be characters that persist or it ruins the story.

Posted by: slagzoo at March 4, 2010 12:43 PM

Let's not forget, too, that the Galactic Encyclopdia doesn't even have "Don't Panic" in large, reassuring letters on the front. This movie is doomed to be unpopular for that very fact alone.

Posted by: HB at March 4, 2010 12:49 PM

Oops! I meant Encyclopedia Galactica...it's been a while.

Posted by: HB at March 4, 2010 12:57 PM

Psychohistory of course predicted that eventually the works would be made into a motion picture, but due to it's inability to track fine details, it was unclear the horror that would ensue when a no-talent hack was appointed the director.

One can only hope that our counterparts in the other Foundation got Duncan Jones as their director, and thus the universe may yet still be saved.

-Frob

Posted by: frobme at March 4, 2010 2:13 PM

You guys have seen I Robot, right?

That's what happens when Hollywood makes an Asimov film.

This will be a film called Foundation, and that will be about the only thing that remains from the book. Well, maybe it will be in space.

Posted by: Kosmic Koyote at March 4, 2010 5:05 PM

Fun fact, I began reading the first trilogy back in October because this site mentioned it.

Anyway, I don't know...make the first story a fifteen minute introduction focusing mostly of Seldon so that his later appearances will hold more weight. Salvor Hardin lasts through all of stories 2 and 3, right? And I like him. Skip 4, it was written as an afterthought to show the progression from science to trading.

But then what? Unless you wanna do a three-hour movie I hardly see you wrapping up the entire Mule story. You could end with the first Mule story and make a sequel (that would be very Empire Strikes Back-ish, but without A New Hope). But, then, you aren't left with much. Plus, its gonna seem a little weird to wrap up the Mule story and then continue on with all the Second Foundation biznass.

Yeah, this sounds hard. I believe in that post back in October, someone suggested that this would be better served with a miniseries. I'm inclined to agree.

Posted by: pissant at March 4, 2010 6:58 PM

He'll never get to the Mule unless they shoot the thing LOTR style--all at once. If they do it one movie at a time the first will be such an incomprehensible boring mess that the second will never get made (see Compass, The Golden)

Posted by: ed newman at March 4, 2010 8:53 PM

this is The Dumb.

The Foundation trilogy is not visual at all but because the last big budget sci fi film was in 3-d this one has to be too?

This is why studios go bankrupt.

Posted by: logan at March 5, 2010 2:16 PM


















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