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Daniel Tosh Wishes Gang-Rape Upon a Woman for Laughs

By Dustin Rowles | Trade News | July 10, 2012 | Comments ()


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I've attempted on a few occasions to watch Daniel Tosh's YouTube show, but unfortunately, I can never get past the fact that Daniel Tosh seems like a horrible human being, the worst kind of frat-boy dick, a Tucker Max wannabe, which is the last wannabe in the world you'd want to be.

My suspicions seem to have been borne out by a woman who recently attended a Daniel Tosh stand-up act. This is one account passed to another friend, who transcribed it for his or her blog, Cookies for Breakfast (via Southworth) about this woman's experience as an audience member at Tosh's act:

So Tosh then starts making some very generalizing, declarative statements about rape jokes always being funny, how can a rape joke not be funny, rape is hilarious, etc. I don't know why he was so repetitive about it but I felt provoked because I, for one, DON'T find them funny and never have. So I didn't appreciate Daniel Tosh (or anyone!) telling me I should find them funny. So I yelled out, "Actually, rape jokes are never funny!"

I did it because, even though being "disruptive" is against my nature, I felt that sitting there and saying nothing, or leaving quietly, would have been against my values as a person and as a woman. I don't sit there while someone tells me how I should feel about something as profound and damaging as rape.

After I called out to him, Tosh paused for a moment. Then, he says, "Wouldn't it be funny if that girl got raped by like, 5 guys right now? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just raped her..." and I, completely stunned and finding it hard to process what was happening but knowing i needed to get out of there, immediately nudged my friend, who was also completely stunned, and we high-tailed it out of there. It was humiliating, of course, especially as the audience guffawed in response to Tosh, their eyes following us as we made our way out of there. I didn't hear the rest of what he said about me.

Was it a good idea for her to engage with a scuzzbucket during his stand-up act? Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. What I do know is that his response was amazingly out of line, inappropriate, and abhorrent. What a heinous motherf---er.



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  • Jonah

    Wouldn't it be funny if you weren't a fucking bitch? And you actually understood who Tosh is? Because if you knew him you wouldn't have been stupid enough to open your fucking mouth to say some annoying shit. If you don't like his comedy style then don't go see him, plain and simple

  • Peezy

    Nothing--I repeat, absolutely NOTHING--is off-limits to say at a comedy show. If you don't like what the comic is saying, fine. Get up and leave if you want. It's your right to be offended. But the second you interrupt the show and heckle the comedian, you're fair game to get your ass verbally handed to you as much as that comedian wants. Don't like it? Shut the fuck up then and don't interrupt. Period. Tosh shouldn't have to apologize for a goddamn thing to anybody.

  • CMooreVerdad

    And the hilarious Lindy West's take on the Tosh controversy
    http://jezebel.com/5925186/how...

    @AudioSuede:disqus I hope you take a moment to read it.

  • NateMan

    I happen to greatly enjoy Daniel Tosh's humor, generally even when it makes me uncomfortable. I also volunteer with a group who works to promote awareness around sexual assault and sexual health. This whole thing, I have to say, is really pulling me multiple directions.

    On the one hand: rape jokes aren't funny to me. Never have been. And by the time you've met your 4th or 5th woman who's been sexually assaulted they really start to lose their appeal. Tosh has often made similar remarks in his shows, and they've always bothered me. But in general I find him amusing enough on other topics I know people would find offensive that I let it go.

    Then you've got this (I imagine) young lady shouting out in the middle of his comedy routine. I understand why she did, but bad idea from the start. Comedians rarely respond kindly to hecklers, and rightly so. So my initial sympathy for the woman listening, and getting the response she did, is tempered by dislike for people who feel it's their place to interrupt the show other people are paying to watch. She had the option of showing her displeasure with her feet; had she done so without interrupting first, and had he then responded to her in that manner, she'd be completely in the right. Instead I am almost forced to have as big an issue with her as am with him.

    Rape jokes aren't funny, interrupting a performer is a shitty thing to do, wishing rape on someone is a shitty thing to do... it's a vicious cycle.

  • dafuq

    Wouldn't it be funny if people grew the fuck up and took jokes as what they were... Jokes? Like right now, just grew the fuck up.

  • Salieri2

    So, there I was at the Daily Dish, reading about how both liberals and conservatives think Stephen Colbert ("The Colbert Report", as if you didn't know) is funny, but that lefties get the satire and righties think he's playing it straight. It depends on what POV they walk in with. But both find him funny. They're not laughing at the same things, but they are laughing.

    I feel safe in opining that the majority of non-troll commenters allow as how humor is subjective. Say Tosh is attempting, as claims AudioSuede, a level of satirical humor that is so broad and across-the-board consistent that it takes constant repetition to hammer home the irony--which I agree is the case. He's awful at it, but that's what he's doing. Some people "get it," some people don't, and to a great extent that depends on what the audience members bring to the table. Comedians aren't homogenous; audiences aren't homogenous men and women often do find very different things funny, and is it so surprising that rape jokes are at the intersection of a lot of different factors?

    Try on for size the result of this University of Iowa study about sexist humor. From the abstract:

    for sexist men, exposure to sexist humor can promote the behavioral release of prejudice against women.

    . Where the sexist male population overlaps with the don't-get-the-satire population, that's the problem area of this Venn diagram. These are the people I worry about, not the AudioSuedes of the world. (Sorry, AS, I can't keep track of your gender right now, may I assume you're a dude for the sake of this thought?) He gets the fact of the irony, the satire. Not everyone does. Nowhere is "I don't get it" ALWAYS equal to "I'm offended"? The people who think they get it are laughing as heartily as those in-the-know.

    I'd like to be certain that the men laughing at Tosh's response were on AudioSuede's team, but I can't do that for two reasons: 1. conservatives laugh at Stephen Colbert. 2. I am a woman and therefore need to be watching out for those fuckos in the Venn overlap, whether it's right or fair that I'm burdened with that or not.

  • Hech Mega
  • Sofia

    It was a joke. A bad one. I'm not gonna say "lighten up" because you can't help how other people feel. Nobody believes he really wanted the woman to be gang-raped, or that he really would've laughed at that or that he thinks rape is funny. He's talking about rape jokes being funny, not the act itself.

    I believe in jokes not being funny, I don't believe in people saying "you can't joke about that."

  • Lizzau

    It seems pointless to me to keep comparing rape to the holocaust or cancer or dead babies. Rape is something different entirely. How do we know that? Because we'd never rape prisoners of war as a torture method but we'd water board them or electrocute them. Because Deliverance isn't actually that scary and it's only the male-on-male-it-can-happen-to-you-jerks-too rape scene reality hammered it in to the psyche of American cinema (read: menfolk).

    And the fact is, we hear all the fucking time in this society how "if I ever found out some guy raped my wife/daughter/sister I'd kill em". But let's be real: No you wouldn't. More likely is you'd ask her to tell you what she did that day, so you can deconstruct what she did wrong. You wouldn't go after the rapist. You'd give her mace, you'd ask her to defend herself. You'd tell her not to go out after dark. The onus is always on her and what she could have done. And it's that bullshit that makes rape so common in this culture. Because if you guys really, honestly went after the rapists, if you guys put as much attention on rapists as you did the 'mistakes' of the women who were raped, I guarantee we'd see a gigantic drop in rape statistics.

    And jokes like this, that really excuse rape and perpetuate the idea that it's a valid punishment for uppity women, may come off to most men as nothing serious because most of you are never going to rape. But there's a dude in that audience who will rape. Who has raped. And he thinks you're all on his side. But I'm sure...I'm sure he won't get to your loved ones. They carry mace. Right?

  • competitivenonfiction

    I've been mulling over whether or not to post this, because I have this feeling that I'll get flamed for doing so... I didn't write it, but I think this particular post does a good job of going over why rape jokes aren't funny, much in the same vein as your comment: http://oforganon.tumblr.com/po...

    I want to add that I'm not saying that Tosh should be censured, just that I'm not about to become a fan.

  • Rachelle

    Oversensitive twats. Bitch about something that matters.

  • Tim Norris

    the guy is an idiot, I once stopped surfing the channels one night because I thought I had hit on Talksoup...what a mistake...why anyone pays this guy to do anything is one of the mysterious of modern TV and cable....

  • Akula765

    Funny is subjective, and some people find rape jokes funny. If you don't, you don't have to listen. Deal with it.

  • Spokker

    I was raped online :(

  • Jannymac

    This debate is getting way over intellectualized about is rape funny or not. But in this case it really doesn't matter because what Tosh did was threaten a woman with violence by attempting to incite a crowd. This is what he did that was wrong.
    He's actually kind of lucky, because this kind of thing can go so wrong, so fast in a madness of crowds kind of way. And while I kind of wished that she had stayed to fight it out, I understand that in her case retreat was the better part of valor.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    Ok, I'm late to this party on purpose. But - I, a woman, do sometimes find Daniel Tosh funny. My response to his show always depends on the mood I'm in.

    He pretty much plays the WASP angle to the hilt, and my read has always been it's a knowing kind of comedy. I have a terrible recollection for details, but just the way he pushes his "am I gay for doing this?" tells me he's laughing at those who are not laughing ironically. And at the same time, letting us laugh out some of the vitriol we feel when we just hate other people in the world. (Hey, yes, that woman in the video is a fat jackass, and today I'm too tired to imagine her situation and pity her) For me, anyway, it doesn't encourage the hate - it lets me release it in a safe place. The times when I don't find him funny? When I've seen too much actual cruelty during the day, or when I've had a day where I've felt so stupid, weak, lame that I feel that *I* could just as easily be the person he's mocking.

    If you don't find him funny, I get it. I totally get it.

    But for every person who's laughed at a joke about murder, or driving drunk, or an altar boy having to watch out for a priest, or a Holocaust joke...just check yourself.

    As for this particular response to a heckler not being funny? The beauty of live theater, people. Sometimes a comedian is on, and sometimes he's not. I don't blame the woman for what she said - good for her to speak out since she felt that way, both at the club and afterwards - but at the end of the day, what happened did take place in a comedy club. And what took place was no violence at all.

  • annapalooza

    Thank you for putting that so well. I am a woman as well, and am not articulate enough to present my defense of Tosh or his comedy as clearly as you did.

    What kind of makes me sad is that I was afraid to even attempt to do so, because I was sure several woman would have pointed at me as an example of a rape culture supporter, or someone who must be a man, because only men would be so thoughtless.

    It is also sad to see that this whole article (and internet backlash) was formed from the blog of a woman who had a friend experience this. I understand she had a terrible experience and she has every right to feel the way she did. But I don't know that that's even remotely enough to go on to make Tosh some kind of rape supporting monster. Because we all know everything we tell our friends, that is then transcribed to the internet is the whole truth with all the facts.

    As a long time lurker, I kind of expected more from Rowles than just a knee jerk reaction post because a bad thing happen to be said about a comedian he doesn't care for.

  • How can you say this is not articulate??! Very articulate and great points begin made. I especially like the point about a friend of a friend blogged about someone else's story/experience. Hearsay? I hardly know her.... (its a bad joke kids...)

  • Well said. I have watched Tosh's stand up before and his show and his comedy technique is to take on purposefully heinous topics, like rape and dead babies, and says things he thinks are outlandish, and repeat the heinous statement over and over, until the audience understands that he does not think rape or gang rape or dead babies are funny... its probably a bit too sub-textual for the average person, but people are getting this wrong- as did that audience member.

    His biggest mistake/crime isn't that he thinks gang rape is funny (because if you have any common sense you'd know by watching his stand up routine, that he doesn't), its that he fails to realize not everyone understands subtext.

    Any reasonably intelligent person watching his stand up (what? there might be a few) knows that he does not think rape or gang rape is funny, instead he says these things with the purpose of finding out how long it will take you - the audience- to realize he doesn't think its funny. And that is the funny part- how long he can pull the wool over your eyes.

    In other words- he's purposefully pushing buttons to see if people will really- REALLY think he's such a monster that he'd advocate gang-rape. And shame on the people who do think that...

    Whether or not that is your (not you, Sara, but "you" the general public) brand of humor, well that is another story.

  • annapalooza

    Also a well put comment. I kind of see the same thing happening with Stephen Colbert, where people take what he says on his show literally instead of as satire, and I really wonder what goes on in their heads sometimes. Granted, it's not the exact same thing, but it does seem to be similar in the fact that people are missing the point completely.

  • Bedewcrock

    I agree with all of this but only in regards to his stand-up. Tosh.0 is hit or miss (where he's only funny to me when he's being self-deprecating). I saw this one episode where he asked fans to go around and videotape themselves coming up to women they didn't know and grabbing their "mushroom top". Seriously? That's all you got? He's just kind of deteriorated into a horny 14 year old boy with no censure and there just doesn't seem to be an irony left in his schtick. It's sad because I saw him a couple of years ago and his stand-up was good.

  • both great points- Anna and BDC are spot on!!! We cannot stand Tosh.0 in our house, but I do like that Tosh expects his stand up audience to understand nuance.

  • TheOriginalMRod

    He must've run out of race jokes. I guess after that material starts to get hard to come by.

  • Lady Macbeth

    It's certain that everyone here and on other forums who defends this misogynistic piece of shit is a man.
    If I were there I would have gone to him, kicked him in his crotch and then stomped on his dick and yell:"Are you entertained?"
    Now that's funny.
    And you wonder why women hate men.

  • I'm not a man and I don't think rape or gang rape is funny. But the uninformed, simplistic vitrol being spewed against a comedian using a well known technique that in fact DOES NOT promote or advocate rape or gang rape is incredibly bothersome to me.

    I am so tired of people and their misinformed witchhunts, especially the unfounded ones. We get it. everyone's angry. yawn.

  • Girl_Saturday

    #EnablingRapeCulture

  • Bob

    I apologize in advance, but I'm trying to make a point. Try this:

    Then, he says, “Wouldn’t it be funny if that girl got her tits cut off by, 5 guys right now? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just cut her tits off…”
    How would you react? If you think that's worse, then you think that rape is better, rape is just naughty, something to giggle about. Like playing a practical joke on someone. I know people who've been raped, and they didn't think it was a practical joke.

    To be sure, nothing *is* or *isn't* funny. Given a decent delivery, all humor is subjective, dependent on the listener's experience and biases. So if *you* think rape is funny, you have no idea what rape is, and you're a prick.

  • Girl_Saturday

    There are no sacred cows in comedy. If he wants to be provocative, fine. But his inappropriate response pretty much showed that he's just another asshole who enjoys the social power imbalance between men and women, and secretly wishes that any woman who stands up to him "gets whats coming to her."

    I mean, imagine if his response had been: "Well, wouldn't it to be funny if I get raped like, right now, like, in this club?" Heckler handled and he wouldn't have needed to threaten a woman with sexual violence for interrupting him.

  • I love how the writer of this article respects the art of journalism so much.

    "What I do know is that his response was amazingly out of line, inappropriate, and abhorrent. What a heinous motherf—-er."

    Don't you think that's just a LITTLE bit editorialized?

    Stand-up comedy isn't about the comedian, nor the opinions that comedian holds, its about telling jokes that will guarantee a laugh from the audience. Daniel Tosh has built his career around the juxtaposition and parody of controversial topics such as rape, racism, abortion, and even poverty. He isn't telling jokes about these things in any attempt to escalate their depravity, but rather make a living by what he does best and what his fans expect of him.

    The point is that no matter how much YOU think that rape jokes are unfunny, there will always be "some heinous motherf---er" that thinks it is. There are demographics for every comedian, and Tosh's demographic practically DEMANDS material such as that. (Have you seen Tosh.0?)

    Also, there has never been a case of heckling in a stand-up comedy that results in the comedian yielding to that audience member. Heckling is utterly disrespectful to comedians, and usually results in them making jokes specifically for the heckler. Did Tosh pay 5 men to rape an audience member? No, he did not. He simply defended himself against an unruly audience member who found themselves in the wrong stand-up comedy show.

    Pro-tip for uptight assholes like Dustin over here: If you don't fancy the type of comedy told by the comedian, DON'T GO TO THE SHOW AND INTERRUPT THEM. It will ALWAYS result in situations such as this one.

  • nosio

    Tosh saying that it would be funny if the heckler was suddenly gang-raped by 5 men isn't defending himself against an unruly audience member. She didn't attack him - she just pointed out that rape jokes aren't funny. His response was highly inappropriate and wasn't a defense of his comedy at all - it was a disgusting attempt to put this woman in her place and make her feel small.

    Also, if you read the original blog post that Dustin linked to, it's clear that the woman did not go to the show with the intent of seeing Daniel Tosh - it was a show at the Laugh Factory, and there were a bunch of comedians billed for the night:

    "Of course, I would find out later that this was Daniel Tosh, but at the time I thought he was just some yahoo who somehow got a gig going on after Cook. I honestly thought he was an amateur because he didn't seem that comfortable on stage and seemed to have a really awkward presence."

    Pro-tip for Tosh-loving assholes like Pultorak over here: do your homework before making impassioned defenses of C-list comedians on the internet.

  • haha

    Yeah what a pity he didn't pay 5 men to rape that women because she stood up to him.
    I hope you get gang raped by 10 men and I want to hear you laugh.

  • Practical viewpoint

    No one asked u to go for his show, if u pay and I say this because u generally pay to attend these things, one should expect what u paid for. Or do u want knockknock jokes? Rape is not funny but that's the comedians persona and act. Attend something else

  • Josh

    Your going to a Daniel Tosh stand-up knowing his humor and you get offended and heckle him about a rape joke. If you don't like it just leave you don't need to interupt his time while he does his job to voice your opinions.

  • Horace

    The club owner says Tosh asked the audience, "What you guys want to talk about?" After someone in the front said "rape," a woman in the audience started screaming, "No, rape is painful, don’t talk about it." Then, Masada says, "Daniel came in, and he said, 'Well it sounds like she’s been raped by five guys' — something like that. I really didn’t hear properly."
    He continues, "It was a comment — it wasn’t a joke at the expense of this girl."
    Masada says that the woman then sat through the rest of Tosh's set — which received a standing ovation — before complaining to the manager about Tosh's joke. The manager apologized, Masada says, and offered her tickets to come back to the Laugh Factory for another performance, which she accepted.
    "If you’re offended why would you take a couple tickets to come back to the club again?" he says. "If you were offended, how about the rest of the audience" — 280 people total — "who’s giving a standing ovation?"

  • F'mal DeHyde

    It's always interesting hearing the other side to a story. Do you have a link for this? Thanks.

  • Bert_McGurt

    I believe it was on BuzzFeed this morning. And it certainly paints a different picture.

  • Strand

    So Daniel Tosh just ripped off that entire George Carlin Elmer Fudd/Porky Pig routine. Then he applied it in a really crass and unfunny 'joke' to shit-talk a heckler. What a fuckwit.

  • Grifter

    Why was she concerned about his joke, afterward? She came to see Daniel Tosh.. And she did. It wasn't his fault she doesn't like his type of humor.

  • Penis

    The answer is yes. Yes, that would be funny. And if I was there, I would have raped her. In fact, I have an idea. I'm gonna go to gorl tornament and yell out, "WHY IS EVERYONE SO QUIET!?"

  • John G.

    Is this the most commented on pajiba article ever?

  • Dash Nye

    I know rape is
    touchy, but be civil in your responses regardless of what you think.

    Even though you see Tosh as the new dick on the block, he's
    been doing stand-up long before Tucker Max's first book hit. So I’d find myself
    a new analogy if I were you. Also, it doesn't make sense to be upset with a
    performer's comedic persona. Onstage, Tosh pretty much says the
    worst things because that's what his audience finds funny. Anybody who has seen
    his show or his specials would know that whether they’re laughing or not.

    First
    off, I think the girl absolutely had a right to be offended. But once you call
    out at a stand-up show, the unwritten rule is that the performer can deal with
    the heckler in whatever way he or she finds best. This varies from comedian to
    comedian. Neither the fact that you dislike like what Daniel Tosh said nor you
    finding it in poor taste is irrelevant. That’s how a comedy show works.

    For the record I would have laughed out loud at the comeback and to be honest I
    can't really sympathize with someone who paid her own money to see him and then
    felt the need to leave. Daniel Tosh isn’t my favorite or least
    favorite comedian by any means, but I don’t think hurt feelings supersede the art
    form. Again, I think the audience member had a right to disagree with rape
    being funny AND to heckle just as I think Tosh was allowed to respond the way
    he did. Having a problem with it after the fact is what doesn’t make sense to
    me.

    As for the author, “scuzzbucket,”
    inappropriate,” “abhorrent” are all words that accurately describe the Daniel
    Tosh CHARACTER. The guy or girl with the microphone is a persona just like in a
    play or another piece of performance art. If it were any performance but
    stand-up, there wouldn’t even be controversy over rape material. The “context”
    doesn’t enter into it in my opinion. I’m tired of people picking and choosing which
    bits (or crowd work) are offensive or “out of line.” There’s no line in comedy;
    just audiences who are willing to laugh at different things.

    Anyway, not a bad
    article, but I think your anger is misdirected.

  • Girl_Saturday

    wouldn't it be funny if i hacked your computer, accused you of rape and published your photo on 4chan?
    and before you get mad, you should have known before going online that people get bullied on the internet. by logging on, you have given trolls, anonymous & everyone else carte blanche to threaten to you (in a joking manner of course). it wouldn't make sense for you to have a problem with it.

    ^ i'd apologize for the sarcasm, but you're on pajiba so again, you have no right to complain or otherwise have an opinion.

  • Ben

    Rape jokes can be funny, nothing he said was though.

  • bachasween

    Also: if you don't like his sense of humor why complain?
    Tosh's act isn't how fucked up this all is: the act is saying horrifically things casually to 1. shock, obviously. 2. parody the people who think those things.
    I'm not his biggest fan, but all he has insanely racist humor and no one has ever accused him of being a real racist.

  • bachasween

    NOT SUPPORTING THREATENING RAPE...
    I am not supporting Tosh... Okay I think I am... here we go.
    1. She heckled. He didn't handle it well. But she heckled because she didn't like it. If you've seen any comedian, they all hate it with passion. Louie CK even dedicated an episode to how much it emotionally hurts comedians.
    2. I have been to the Laugh Factory: you could safely bring your grandmother there any day of the week. I asked my comedian (woman) friend about this Tosh incident and her first joke was about how they need to turn the lights down in that place for any crime to happen.
    3. I'm a dude so yes, it's bullshit for me to say "that women wasn't in danger!" But... honestly, if he said "wouldn't be funny if she was murdered" this potentially could be a non-incident.
    4. It's their job to try and try and try and try stuff that won't work to get the stuff that gets them paid. Comedians work non-stop and rework their jokes to get the ones people like. A lot of it doesn't work.
    5. I really can't emphasize how safe the Laugh Factory is. Nicest comedy club ever to it's own detriment.

  • Corey

    Yea, this article didn't have any bias going into it. None at all. Nevermind the fact there are two sides to every story - no matter how good or bad they may be. Always look into both sides, people. Always.

  • Ryan

    You do all realize that all your reading is the paraphrased lines he said about rape? That's it. No body language, no facial expression, no context, no pretense of why "rape" in general was brought up in his act. So make your judgements based on two lines that were "transcribed" by some overly sensitive (& clearly biased[on account that tosh made fun of her]) blogger. Tosh has a very sarcastic style of comedy and he talks about some touchy subjects, like all comedians. Five bucks says that Dane cook could have said the same joke in his dragged out, breathy voice and your blogger friend would have loved it. Raped isn't funny but sarcasm is funny. Also never heckle a good comedian, because after you open your mouth their goal isntf to be funny, it's to embarrass you and make you leave.

  • Brandon

    When you go to Tosh's standup shows you should have a slight understanding of his style. If youre easily offended dont spend money on tickets to his show. You deserve zero sympathy. When you left were you so devastated to the point where you needed to go to a womens shelter? There are people with real problems and getting "humilated" at a Daniel Tosh show isnt rankable.

  • Scott

    You these two girls have absolutely no sense of humor/ knowledge of what comedy is. I hope whoever wrote and gave the ok for this article to get posted gets raped

  • AudioSuede

    Shit, the trolls are out, time to go to bed.

  • Leo

    All subjects in the abstract can be funny no matter how bad it is. Everyone has their line but some people aren't always so conservative about said statements. As for the "Tucker Max Wannabe", that's his Shtick, not a wannabe. That's the equivalent of calling an actor a wanna be "insert character they're playing". And lastly, good for the girl. She has been introduced to life. Comedians are trained to DESTROY hecklers, she will never be an exception because she's a fragile little dove with thin wings. Also, everyone says "There's a time & a place.", for those who believe it's true then here. The time NOT to disturb someone is at a COMEDY CLUB. The time someone has permission to DESTROY YOU intellectually and emotionally and beat you in this sense is also at AT A COMEDY CLUB. He didn't do this at a church, or public, or a school. That's his job. He is keeping himself employed. Tosh 1, Hecklers.0

  • Trevor

    That was HILARIOUS people take jokes so serious when they are
    In fact just joke get over yourselves people lol

  • Protoguy

    How the fuck did I stumble into some Yahoo comments torch parade? Sub-human? Wishing the guy would die because you were offended? Gang raped himself?

  • Travis

    If you dont like it, dont go watch it. Simple as that. It's her fault for not knowing the type of comedian she was seeing.

  • puddin

    Rape jokes would be funnier if I didn't live in constant fear of being raped.

  • JimmyJohn

    If this is a joke it is hilarious. If this is true then it is just bizarre. Either way, upvote!

  • puddin

    What's hilarious about it? Rape jokes are rarely funny, because for the most part, all they do is validate the rape culture that is pervasive in our culture. And don't give me some BS about how there is no rape culture, blah blah blah. When colleges keep giving seminars to freshman on how not to get raped, rather than giving seminars on hey, don't rape people, then yes, there is absolutely a rape culture.

    As a man, you have no idea what it means to be a woman in this society. You have no idea what it feels like to walk into an elevator with a man and have your first thought be--how do I protect myself if he goes after me? Your gender was raised to believe that women are objects. And yes, there are certainly plenty of enlightened men out there, but for the most part, it's true. and many of you can't help it, it's been so socialized and ingrained in you you're not even conscious of it. When a woman at a bar rejects you and you call her a bitch, it's not because you really think she's a bitch, but because she upset the natural order--she belongs to you. When Tucker Max books end up on the best seller list and not in an FBI file, then yes, we have a rape culture.

    And herein lies the problem with the Daniel Tosh joke. You see, shock humor is meant to shock not for that one purpose--it's meant to shock us out of the societal norms that have been ingrained in us and illuminate how ridiculous they are. That's why Dave Chappelle jokes on race--hilarious. Which is why rape jokes, yes, they can be funny. Rachel Dratch did an amazing Weekend Update on rape years ago that made me pee my pants (with laughter)> But sadly, many of those jokes, Tosh's included, do nothing but validate the rape culture, the idea that sexual assault is bad, you know, but not THAT bad. And thta's not humor--that's dangerous. Celebrating troglodytes isnt funny--it's sick.

  • JimmyJohn

    You are 100% correct in all of your assumptions. I was going to give you some BS about how there is no rape culture. I was raised to believe that all women are objects but I need someone to tell me that because I am not aware of it as it has been socialized and ingrained in my consciousness. When a woman rejects me at a bar I call her a bitch.

    I can't believe how narrow minded and extreme my beliefs are. Lucky for me I have rational and well adjusted strangers to enlighten me.

  • DigBick

    Daniel Tosh is HILARIOUS and everyone in here sucks. The root of humor is in surprise yet you expect people to be funny without being outrageous and unpredictable. That's not possible, my friends. Humor lies within surprise and unpredictability.

  • Stop being such a sensitive little bitch.

  • Tyler

    I hope everyone hating on Tosh gets raped... He's a comedian, not a politician his views don't matter. He makes a living making people laugh, sadly he nor any comedian can make EVERYONE laugh. If your not a fan of his comedy style don't go to his shows or watch his show. Now go focus on an issue that matters!

  • RonnieDobbs

    A lot of you senselessly angry folks seem to think that comparing Daniel Tosh to Carlin, Hicks, and C.K. is reasonable. It's not reasonable, because Daniel Tosh isn't funny. Are you really going to compare Daniel Tosh to fucking Bill Hicks? Or George Carlin? Get a grip. As for the matter at hand, I personally find the joke offensive not because rape isn't funny, but because it was a boring, stupid, lazy joke. Because Tosh is a boring, stupid, lazy comedian.

  • Protoguy

    "...because Daniel Tosh isn't funny."

    Well fuck. Problem solved. whew

  • Salad_Is_Murder

    Everytime I read one of your articles Rowles, I can't shake the image of Bucky O'Hare angrily typing away at his computer and screaming like a maniac while sweat beads fly off his brow and he gets that little anime "+" angry thing on his head.

  • Steve Ward

    I totally understand people who hate Tosh, but no topic should be off limits for comedy, and heckling a comedian is a selfish act which typically hurts the experience of the show for everyone else who paid to be there.

    Verbally attacking a heckler in the most heinous way possible is a valid and common way for a comedian to defuse the situation and get the attention back on the show (as Louis CK perfectly demonstrated and explained on his show, as previously noted).

    Hate Tosh for the million valid reasons, not this manufactured one.

    PS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... - My favourite rape joke. Not technically the act of rape, but "rape" is the punchline, and it's fucking hilarious. 600,000 views. 40 dislikes.

  • John G.

    I don't know if it's possible for people to hear this who are not heavily into the comedy world, but every single comedian on earth will tell you the same thing. NO TOPIC IS OFF LIMITS. That doesn't mean jokes won't fail, but people who want to police what can be said when It's an important issue for them are just completely wrong.

  • Protoguy

    "Go listen to George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Joe Rogan, Doug Stanhope, Greg Giraldo, Lewis Black, Robin Willaims, Rodney Carrington, Patton Oswalt, or even Steven Lynch's entire comedic career and not find a rape joke or them completely ripping apart an audience member for speaking out."

    Complete bullshit.

    George Carlin talking about rape being hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

    George Carlin reaming a heckler, with dicks in his mouth. Facial rape? Still not funny? Or just because it's a guy? http://youtu.be/q-f-I-FiaY0

    Greg Giraldo taking time to tear a heckler a new one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

    Then there's the tender Joe Rogan

    http://youtu.be/9qLMooHY12Y
    http://youtu.be/A8QxTezQz18
    http://youtu.be/IU_3b2_33vI
    http://youtu.be/P4F-b6U0i2w

    Bill Hicks screaming his lungs out at a heckler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

    http://youtu.be/q-f-I-FiaY0

    Some dumb asshole interrupted a comedian's act - it's his job, remember? - to put in their own two cents and the comedian upped the ante and reamed her a new one and Tosh is the bad guy?

    Does Miss Fake Outrage really think he's inciting rape? Does she really think that Tosh REALLY thinks that would be hilarious? Is it really a danger that someone in the audience won't get it and try to rape her because he told them to? Do you think if a couple of guys jumped up and started to do just that, that he's sit there and laugh?

    You guys are like little children sometimes. As often as I've read someone HERE talk about murder or dismemberment or yes, rape, or torture or a million other heinous acts, in the form of snarky, snarky jokey jokes, did any of you paragons of shifting virtues leap up and condemn them as horrid people deserving of immolation or ass-rape? No, just continued your little personal traipse through your own socially acceptable reprehensible behavior. Because they're jokes. I guess you just save up the outrage for moments like this when your fake-ass disgust boils over.

    Some people would call this projecting.

    Or bullshit.

    Oh yeah, I gave up after too many hits. Here's what is probably emblematic of my "What the fuck are you talking about" state of mind:

    George Carlin talking about rape being hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

    George Carlin reaming a heckler, a la dicks in his mouth. http://youtu.be/q-f-I-FiaY0

    Facial rape? Still not funny? Or still ok just because he's talking about raping a man? No one seems to be calling for George's corpse to be dug up and anally raped as some sort of karmic justice and not hypocritical bullshit.

  • Mortis301

    I think you misread what I was meaning; I love all the comedians I mentioned and laugh heartily at nearly 99% of what they said. I was actually in favor of Tosh ripping into her for speaking out.

    Am I misreading what you were doing cause you simply said bullshit? So I hope you quoted me and then pointed to what I was talking about, instead of thinking what I was saying was bullshit.

  • Protoguy

    I'm sorry, the quote was stuck on the front by mistake. Yes, I do not like Disqus. It's my fault, but the comment window went all tiny and shit and all I could see was two sentences at a time. I realized I got you backwards by then and had thought I deleted that part.

  • John G.

    Disqus does this to me too. annoying.

  • John G.
  • AudioSuede

    *Sigh*

    Daniel Tosh's persona revolves around provocation. He provokes everyone in every way possible, trying to get a rise out of the audience. In this case, he succeeded, and now this person is taking to the internet to complain about it. What the hell did they expect? That's his humor. Don't go to a Daniel Tosh show and expect to walk away un-offended. He plays a character that's meant to be offensive and over-the-top, and every joke is draped in irony. And to yell out like that is just stupid. He reacted harshly, but I've heard much worse responses to anti-joke hecklers, and this is such a predictable occurrence it's absurd.

    As a comedian with many performer friends who say horribly offensive things for laughs, this is a big overreaction on all sides.

    Also, let's check our biases here: Louis CK calls a woman a c*nt whose head should have been ripped off at birth and says it's good that her mother is dead ON HIS CABLE TV SHOW and we love him for it, but Daniel Tosh says it would be funny if a heckler who was heckling him specifically about rape material got raped at a live show where he was clearly thinking on his feet and suddenly we're up in arms? I would argue that both are subjectively funny for a certain sense of humor, and that people who take either sentiment seriously are picking a misguided fight.

    This is a non-controversy.

  • Paula R. Stiles

    I have a problem with people who write and perform provocative jokes that include no risk or genuine pain for themselves. Mel Brooks joking about racism and antisemitism is funny because he's calling out all those racists and antisemites that have gone after him and his ancestors for centuries. It puts them on the spot and they might just bite back. It's a form of standing up for yourself. Same thing goes for Richard Pryor joking about cops who shoot black men at routine traffic stops or George Carlin joking about censorship. That kind of aggressive humor is funny and productive because it challenges society and says to all the fat cats, "You want a fight? I'll give you a fight!" With that kind of humor, yeah, no subject is really taboo. If laughing at your grandmother's funeral is how you grieve for her (or what she would have seen as respect, or revenge for her being evil to you all her life), go for it.

    A man joking about raping a woman, especially *to* a woman in the audience, is completely different. That's a putdown of someone whom the man already considers beneath him. It's reestablishing societal boundaries not challenging them. And it's not turning expectations on their heads the way, say, Cleavon Little as the new sheriff of Rock Ridge does. What's funny or even ironic about a guy raping a woman and then mocking her to his frat buddies (which is basically what Tosh was mimicking)? Where was the risk to Tosh in belittling this woman in front of an audience that wanted to see her put down?

    So, no, that kind of humor isn't funny. And it's not provocative, either, if there's no risk to the comedian. It's just disgusting and rude.

  • AudioSuede

    To a certain extent, that's a matter of personal interpretation. I will say it would have been different if he'd just pointed to a random woman and said she deserved to get raped. It would be very hard to justify that. What he did was respond to a heckler by riffing even further on an offensive joke he was already telling. Bringing in the notion that he thinks she's beneath him because she's a woman seems hyperbolic. True, I can't speak for Tosh's internal mindset, but the comedians I know who tell offensive material about rape and other similar topics don't do so with the honest belief that women are inferior. Rather, they use that form of humor to make a mockery not of rape victims but of rapists, by making a characterization of a person who's so completely, unrealistically awful that their horrible beliefs become absurd and comical.

    Saying that offensive humor is only funny with personal risk is an overly broad statement and really becomes a matter of personal taste. If your boundary in hearing an offensive joke is that the person telling it needs to be fighting some greater power, that's a line you can draw for yourself. But I think this kind of humor can exist outside of that context. Would we laugh if we found out that a biker with AIDS skull-fucked Paris Hilton? No. But when Patton Oswalt says that should happen in a joke, it's funny. There's no risk to Patton; the odds of him being skull-fucked by an AIDS-ridden biker are probably slimmer than Paris Hilton's. But I don't believe he's reinforcing the patriarchy or belittling AIDS victims, rape victims, battered women, or really any group (except maybe Paris Hilton herself) by saying that. In the real world, it's offensive and horrific. In a joke, it's over-the-top, absurd, and funny. I just don't buy the argument.

  • Paula R. Stiles

    Sorry, but I don't think it's "overly broad" at all. If you're going to base your routine on provocative humor, then you should expect some negative reactions and be prepared for them. The entire point of provocative humor is to get a rise out of people, to provoke them. If you're not making people mad, then you're not doing it right.

    But at the same time, that means that you don't get to get angry and offended when someone heckles you, which is what Tosh did. He was provocative. Someone in the audience was provoked and responded. He got mad in response to her response and started insulting her personally, in a way that wasn't funny and showed he was angry about the heckle. That's just stupid. If he didn't want anybody to respond like that, why use provocative humor in the first place?

    A good comedian, provocative or not, ought to be able to handle any crowd, not just one that selected itself with individuals who knew they'd like the humor beforehand. That includes both the people at his act and people on the Internet. If you can't handle that people are going to have the free speech to tell you that they think your use of free speech sucks, don't use it that way.

  • AudioSuede

    No, I disagree with the interpretation of events. The way I read it in that post, he's telling a joke about rape, he gets heckled, then he turns her heckle into another joke, and that joke isn't even a personal attack, because what he said could have applied to anyone and the joke he was making was specifically in response to what she said, not who she was. In other words, if she'd said, "All jokes about getting stabbed are unfunny," he could have said, "Wouldn't it be funny if, like, five dudes just stabbed her right now?" The irony in the joke is the timing in relation to her statement. She thinks _________ isn't funny, so it would be ironic if, immediately after saying that, _________ happened to her. Whether it's funny is subjective. But for the record, no matter how provocative a comedian is, they have an expectation that they won't be interrupted. It's not a dialogue; he speaks, they listen. And if someone wants to call attention to themselves, he'll respond or not based on what he thinks is appropriate, often going further than he would have initially to prove a point that he shouldn't be interrupted.

    BTW, in regards to the "free speech" comment which many people have been bringing up, legally, and this is obscure Supreme Court technicalities, constitutional law states that if that crowd became unruly and tried to drown out his speech with their own, he would have legal recourse and they would not because it's his contractually-held forum to exercise. Hypothetically, if the audience got crazy and the cops got called because they didn't like his jokes, the law dictates the audience would be under arrest. They have the right to leave and not listen to his speech, and as long as they're not being held against their will and he's not inciting them to physical violence or inviting them to yell, he's in the right and they're in the wrong.

  • hapl0

    "all the out of context misquotes aside, i'd like to sincerely apologize."

    https://twitter.com/danieltosh

  • Protoguy

    Sooo, she heckled a comedian and his response scared her?
    And we're all here to decide his fate for 'going to far' in our eyes?
    Making jokes about him getting gang raped to illustrate our outrage that he made a joke about gang rape?
    I seem to remember people squeeing in delight the last time we ran a
    clip of a comedian reaming a heckler far worse than one dumb rape joke.

    Yeah, you guys are all so above it.

    I understand when a TV personality manages to get off of the censored shit-tube and on-stage, it can be a little scawy when he uses bad wanguage and everything but grow the fuck up. When all you pussies are done deciding what other people do or say is fucking off limits, let me know so I can gang-rape all you dumb fucks for being hypocritical little Hitler censors and we can go back to that thing called free will.

  • Joe

    Daniel Tosh is the fucking man. Teaches that sensitive bitch not to come at him while hes doing his act, whic his hilariious by the why

  • AlabasterSalamander

    So this is what the bottom of the Pajiba Barrel looks like...

  • L.O.V.E.

    Looks like he addressed the issue on twitter and apologized.

    https://twitter.com/danieltosh

  • Jezzer

    We have one SECOND-HAND account with no real details, and everyone is howling for Daniel Tosh's head on a stick. I am not comfortable with this.

  • chicky07

    I think the onus on comedians when it comes to rape, like any other "trigger" subject, is to consider whether or not the joke is worth making. What are you trying to get across? Are you going for cheap laughs? If so, you are morally bankrupt for making a joke that you know may be making some girl flash back to a traumatic experience, making her feel used and dirty because of something that wasn't her fault -- and now you are mining that memory for laughs, and she is hearing a laugh track along with that ugly memory.
    But sometimes a joke is golden, and maybe the subject is ugly, but that's the sign of a talented comedian: they know that this joke must be told, that there is depth to the joke beyond "wouldn't it be funny if this chick got raped because I'm mad at her?," and it's worth taking the risk.
    So I present to you, for those who haven't heard it already, the only rape joke I have ever laughed at:

    http://www.rooftopcomedy.com/w...

    For those who are feeling wary, I will let you know now that the joke is not meant to be demeaning toward rape survivors. It is from a woman's perspective, and it's one familiar to me, which is why I thought it was funny.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    That was an awesome video.

  • bleujayone

    "Wouldn’t it be funny if that girl got raped by like, 5 guys right now? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just raped her…”

    -O-kaaaaaaaay. And where's the rest of the joke Tosh? You got the set-up, now where's the punchline? Why would it be funny to you if that particular girl got gang raped? Right at this particular moment? Tell us, what in that thought suggests humor. There isn't. Now let's put aside for a moment the subject matter and just look at the structure of the joke itself. There's no payoff. There's no conclusion as to why anyone would come to the conclusion agreeable or otherwise that a woman being gang raped would be humorous. It's incomplete as both a joke or even an argument. It would be like opening with a joke that went; "What's the difference between an orange?"

    The fact is that stand-up comics get called out all the time. Most will chalk it up to a form of heckling, ignore it and then power through their routine. The better ones will actually defend their point of view and the best can do so successfully. And the you have the ones like Mr. Tosh here who are not prepared with material to fortify their shtick. More than likely his material was memorized with the mindset that all would go according to rehearsal. When someone called out his statement, his timing was thrown off. But rather than give an example as to why his previous statement might be considered funny, he basically took the "fuck you" approach and just attacked her with more of the same.

    Oddly enough, when Michael Richards was called out on his use of racial slurs, his reaction was virtually identical towards his challenger as Tosh's. Someone called him out, he attacked them with more slurs. The only differences are that Richards lost his temper and that the object of objection didn't just get up and leave- they fought back. It probably didn't help that the incident was caught on a phone video and went viral.

    Now personally, I have yet to ever hear a convincing argument that rape can be a funny joke. And if Tosh's only line of persuasion that it can be is, "Wouldn't it be funny if you were raped by five guys right now?", then I would imagine my belief will continue unchanged. Being a stand-up comic isn't just standing in front of a crowd and regurgitating a memorized routine. You have to work the room. You have to potentially argue, persuade, fight, attack, defend and even concede every statement you make now and again. What's more, you generally have to attempt do so in a clever and thoughtful way, because if your only weapon in the arsenal is a ham fist, you'll likely not win any audiences apart from the ignorant and brain dead both mindlessly snickering for nothing.

  • valerie

    You make an excellent point. I'm not even going to get into whether or not a rape joke can be funny or not, but Tosh in this instance didn't even attempt to make a joke...he's not making the argument for rape jokes, he's unwittingly making the argument that rape itself is funny and that's obviously stupid and wrong.
    Try and keep in mind how tough it is to respond to a crowd during a comedy show and hope (as I do) that he immediately regretted saying something so offensive, ridiculous, and UNFUNNY once he got off the stage.

  • oh, christ.

  • AudioSuede

    Rape can be funny. I've heard and laughed at rape jokes. Saying this joke has no payoff is false; the set-up was her heckle, the payoff was his response. It's a play in irony. She thinks rape isn't funny, so he retorts that it would be funny if she got raped right after saying that. Would it really be funny if she were actually raped at that moment? No. But the shock and irony are the joke, and if you don't find it funny that's fine, but then that's clearly not your sense of humor.

  • Sharon

    Intelligent response I was thinking the same thing

  • G-A

    If you find it funny, you are promoting rape culture. Period.

  • LwoodPDowd
  • Milly.

    But George Carlin wasn't saying that the actual act of raping someone was hilarious, but that the reasoning behind it was. That made the joke as it wasn't aimed at the victim but at the perpetrator.

    That's a key difference in this argument, given that there was no payoff to Tosh's joke and that the aim was at a victim.

  • tatertot

    I think this is an important distinction.

    Offensive humor or humor that pushes the boundaries of what's socially acceptable must always be aimed at those with the power in a society and not those who are marginalized or victims. Otherwise it's just another form of bullying.

  • John G.

    If you don't understand comedy, then you can't comment on it. Period.

    Aren't undefended declarative statements fun?

  • AudioSuede

    I'm sorry, if we're going to be making knee-jerk declarative statements, then I'll just say what you just wrote is obviously wrong. Period.

  • AudioSuede

    To clarify, I was merely taking issue with your analysis of the joke as lacking a basic set up-punchline structure and arguing that the set up was in the heckle and the riff was in his reply, thereby giving the joke more structure than you credited. Otherwise, I feel you gave a salient argument, and while I disagree with you pretty much the whole way through, I'm glad you took the time to write it.

  • MachineGunJeanMaurice

    Christian, I knew you were a wicked man. Did not know you laughed at rape jokes...:) -JP from audiosuede.

  • AudioSuede

    Oh, JP. What can I say? All that rapin' just gives me the giggles.

    *not true*

  • LwoodPDowd

    The biggest reason Michael Richards got in trouble was connected to his losing his temper. When he went on the rant it gave the impression that he lost control and was letting his "true" self out. If he kept his cool so that it was all a part of his act, people wouldn't have assumed he truly meant it and he probably wouldn't have faced much criticism.

  • FLPardini

    Just don't fucking talk when someone else has a microphone. How hard is that concept?

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