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"There is no suspense in inevitability": Damon Lindelof Talks Prometheus

By Steven Lloyd Wilson | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (18)



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When we first heard about Prometheus, it was in the garb of an Alien remake. Then it became a prequel. Then it became a prequel split into two movies. Charlize Theron, Noomi Rapace, Gemma Atherton, and Michael Fassbender have all be attached at one point or another. Then it became a non-Alien movie but still science fiction. That was rumored after Damon Lindelof came in and rewrote the script. At some point it morphed into an Alien movie, but with no direct connection to the previous films. At this point the movie has crossed a threshold such that no rumor is any more believable than any other. Personally, I’ve got money on Prometheus ending up being a grafting of Rogers and Hammerstein stylings onto a snuff film framework. At least that would be original.

Damon Lindelof sat down and did an extensive interview with The Kevin Pollak Chat Show. Two and a half hours. That’s not an interview, that’s therapy. I don’t know what the Kevin Pollak Chat Show is, and my Internet is being slow enough at the moment that I don’t feel like spending ten minutes googling it just to find out that it is a show that involves a guy named Kevin Pollak chatting with people. There are a couple of choice bits from the interview worth taking a look at:

It started as an Alien prequel. That is what everybody wanted it to be. Obviously, Ridley Scott has not made a science fiction movie in 25 years, since Blade Runner, so the idea that he’s returning to this genre is huge. But there is a real issue which is — what is the state of the Alien franchise at this point in our lives? There has been Alien vs. Predator and all these things, and its been completely and totally diluted. I’ve always felt that really good prequels should be original movies. And the sequels to those prequels should not be the movie which already exists because, with all due respect to anyone who makes a prequel, but why would you ruin the greatest twist in the history of cinema, “Luke, I am your father”, by showing me three movies which basically spoil that surprise. You can do movies which take place before Star Wars, but I don’t need to see the story of the Skywalker clan. Show me something else which I can’t guess the possible outcome of. There is no suspense in inevitability. So a true prequel should essentially proceed the events of the original film, but be about something entirely different, feature different characters , have an entirely different theme, although it takes place in that same world. That was my fundamental feeling about what this movie wanted to be.

While I agree in spirit with the notion that a prequel shouldn’t just do the same thing as the original and end where the original begins, I’m going to have to completely disagree on the specifics. The Star Wars prequels were terrible because they were terrible movies, not because we already knew the ending. Endings are highly overrated, and really, just about every story has an inevitability to it, except for movies that rely on twist-endings. A story’s job is to make you feel that the ending isn’t inevitable, but it doesn’t do that by hiding the ending, it does it by making the path to that ending so damned compelling that you want to see every step of it. The great tragedy of the Star Wars prequels was not that everybody already knew Anakin became Vader, it’s that they wasted the greatest possible set up for a story. See this great hero? He becomes Space Hitler. That set-up, that compelling road for a character to follow, is not invalidated because we know where the road goes. To paraphrase Stephen King, Lindelof is mistaking the spurt at the end for the entire point of sex.

Lindelof goes on to say:

But I also do feel that this movie is the movie I would want to see as a fanboy, take place in that Alien universe, which precedes the events of the original Alien, but is not necessarily burdened by all the tropes of that franchise with Facehuggers and Chestbursters, and all that stuff that I love… but its sorta like, we’ve seen it before, can we do something different this time?

See, the problem here is that I get what he’s saying, but there’s too much that he’s not saying at all. I understand ripping out the old and making something truly original within the same universe. Hell, that’s essentially what Cameron did with Aliens. But what I really want Lindelof to tell me here is how they’re making it different, and what exactly he sees as the essential truths of this series that they are distilling the baggage down to. There is huge potential for tapping into the Lovecraftian notion of science fiction that reveals a universe dark and malevolent, that our little tools and ape minds are simply not capable of dealing with. But Lindelof is dancing around that, just making the promises of difference without showing us the thought process. Yes he doesn’t want to spoil something in progress, yes we will end up seeing what he’s talking about when the film gets made. But he did sit down and give a 150 minute interview on the subject, so he opened the can of worms himself.

And then Sir Ridley Scott and I, and Michael Ellenberg, sat in a conference room for four hours a day, three days a week, and sort of went over it, again and again and again until I understood exactly what he wanted to do and I wrote it. It took me two weeks to write it, not a lot of time — the time consuming part was the collaboration because he thinks, and I know this sounds like I’m brown-noising but, Ridley Scott is a true genius and he thinks in visual terms far beyond the comprehension of mortals like us but also understands story and mood and tone.

It’s really true. It doesn’t count as brown-nosing once you’ve wedged your entire head up there.

(source: SlashFilm)









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Comments

Is it bad that I want my kids to see the first two Alien movies as early as possible so that once they're exposed to the others, they'll understand the difference between right and wrong?

Hell, even the third one looks like Oscar material now.

Posted by: LEROOOY at June 29, 2011 11:15 AM

"...just about every story has an inevitability to it, except for movies that rely on twist-endings."

Uh, no. Write much fiction?

Posted by: Sam at June 29, 2011 11:34 AM

I think you mean Gemma Arterton.

I might not necessarily agree with everything Lindelof is saying, but he sounds like an intelligent guy who's interested in expanding what's come before. I'm cool with that.

Posted by: Todd at June 29, 2011 11:38 AM

"I’ve got money on Prometheus ending up being a grafting of Rogers and Hammerstein stylings onto a snuff film framework. At least that would be original."

And I'd pay good money to go see that in the theater.

A Science Fiction /Russian/Film Noir/Bollywood mashup! Sheer genius.

Posted by: The Wanderer at June 29, 2011 11:45 AM

Sorry, not 'film noir.' I meant to say Gothic, a la the original movie.

Posted by: The Wanderer at June 29, 2011 11:45 AM

Uh, no. Write much fiction?

Good job of not providing a single example of this uberstory which bares no resemblance to anything else in the history of time.

Even Shakespeare lifted. And there'd be no reason to watch a Hitchcock movie twice if the reveal were the entire point.

There's no suspense in The Birds once you know about the... well, you know?

Posted by: twig at June 29, 2011 11:47 AM

Dammit, should have said "Is there really no suspense in 'The Birds' once you know about the... well, you know?"

That movie still gives me the shivers.

Posted by: twig at June 29, 2011 11:49 AM

I actually agree with him. Why make 3 movies telling us what we already know? Of course people saw Titanic like 7565189951632645131 times and they knew the boat was gonna sink so what do I know....

Posted by: logan at June 29, 2011 11:50 AM

But... what are them big thangs at the beginning of Alien! I NEED TO KNOW!

Posted by: seth at June 29, 2011 12:18 PM

Just a side point: the only one of the Star Wars "prequels" (ugh, I hate that word, feels dirty just writing it) that I liked AT ALL was the third one, specifically because I knew exactly what was going to happen.

But I wanted to see it. I wanted to see Annakin/Vader's pain, that led him to where he was in Episode 4-6. I wanted to see Luke and Leia's mother die. I wanted to see Obi-wan go into exile. I've heard tell of all these things, but I wanted to see them unfold in all their messy, emotional glory. How well Revenge of the Sith the movie accomplished all of that, well, it could have been better. But I saw little glimmers, at least.

Just because we know that the alien ship crashlands on the planet, doesn't mean we don't want to know how it got there *in detail*.

Posted by: MM at June 29, 2011 1:56 PM

After reading this, I get the feeling that you're looking at quotes and trying REAL hard to figure out a way to "disagree" with them. All these things Lindelof says seem very honest and he appears to really have a devotion to treating this material correctly. Hoorah for him. Hoorah!

Posted by: Bombadom at June 29, 2011 2:22 PM

I'm still confused as to what exactly it is that he's working on. I guess we'll wait and see.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at June 29, 2011 5:06 PM

To paraphrase Stephen King, Lindelof is mistaking the spurt at the end for the entire point of sex.

It’s really true. It doesn’t count as brown-nosing once you’ve wedged your entire head up there.

i laughed like Monica twice after reading those lines. Salute.

n i hope this doesn't turn into one of those movies where "i wanted it to be so different and original" dat only the writer and director understands it.

Posted by: haplo at June 29, 2011 6:41 PM

So basically this guy is arguing, you should never watch a movie more than once because you'll already know the ending?

Holy hell, this dude should be running the ads for this movie!

"If you see only one movie this summer, and we do mean only see it once...."

Posted by: googergieger at June 30, 2011 5:07 AM

I like what he's saying, and I like what you're saying.

There's much more to be tapped from a story when it's original, even set in the same universe as a prequel but not following a line of events that leads up to an inevitable ending. That doesn't mean that you can't make a good film with a known end-point, it's just a lot harder, because at every step because people will be judging every moment as a lead in to the inevitable rather than an event on its own merits.

Posted by: Ender at June 30, 2011 9:46 AM

It sounds like Prometheus is a stand alone story that has nothing to do with the Alien creature the Nostromo encountered but is set in the same universe, probably dealing with the creatures that were on the crashed ship in Alien. Dallas and the crew didn't seem real surprised with the alien ship so I got the impression humans had run into alien races before. It's a rich setting ripe to be utilized for stories other than featuring the Alien. I'm excited to see what they come up with.

Posted by: TylerDFC at June 30, 2011 12:55 PM

Ja, er is altijd een standaard, niet is gegarandeerd!

Posted by: Laquanda Derfler at July 23, 2011 6:21 AM

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Posted by: Renna Rosie at July 23, 2011 6:26 AM