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Corey Haim 1971 - 2010

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (100)



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Corey Haim died this morning of an accidental overdose. He was 38. Haim was a popular teenage star back in the 1980s, when he starred in such films as License to Drive, Dream a Little Dream, and The Lost Boys.

In recent years, he has struggled with drug dependence, and failed to resurrect his career, despite a reality show with his frequent 80’s co-star, Corey Feldman. He did have a killer cameo on Crank: High Voltage and has a number of direct-to-DVD films in the can.

Wow. Jesus. Fucking Corey Haim. Damn.

RIP, dude. RIP.









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Comments

Sad, was waiting for Lost Boys 2.

Posted by: Ari at March 10, 2010 8:57 AM

Oh my word. All these deaths are too sad.

Posted by: Cindy at March 10, 2010 8:59 AM

Unfortunately, this will give fuel to Corey Feldman's desperate attempts to regain fame as he sobs in front of every camera within 5 miles of his face for the next 3 years. Why couldn't it have been Feldman?! WHYYYYYYYYY???!!!

Posted by: Kballs at March 10, 2010 9:02 AM

Poor bastard never could keep his mouth closed.

Posted by: sansho1 at March 10, 2010 9:04 AM

Lucas!

Posted by: celery at March 10, 2010 9:04 AM

'Whatever happened to Corey Haim ?' sung the The Thrills.

Well now we know. He's dead.

:-(

Posted by: Alex the not so odd at March 10, 2010 9:07 AM

The deaths are not as sad as the fact that for every Corey Haim, Brittany Murphy, etc., there are a thousand stage mothers just chomping at the bit to push their kids into the limelight and milk everything out of them by the time they are 15.

Posted by: PaddyDog at March 10, 2010 9:11 AM

Sad news, but unfortunately not that surprising for anyone who saw even a tiny bit of his reality show with Corey Haim or caught his biography on E a few years back. Too bad he wasn't able to pull his life together, as he showed some promise early in his career.

Posted by: Brian K at March 10, 2010 9:18 AM

I had watched a few episodes of The Two Coreys and it was really sad to see how this once cute kid with a lot of potential had become so unbalanced. I don't remember, was it here on Pajiba that I read a review of an episode where Haim was having trouble on the new Lost Boys set and then basically went into his trailer and snorted his troubles away while sobbing? Just reading about that was heartbreaking. I hope he's at peace now.

Posted by: b at March 10, 2010 9:18 AM

Poor Corey.

Posted by: Kolby at March 10, 2010 9:19 AM

One good movie that restarted the vampire craze and he gets a VH1 special and then we cry? He had little talent but a big ego, but not big enough to play with the big boys...

Next...

Posted by: El L Cool J at March 10, 2010 9:20 AM

damn....I hate vampires.

Posted by: dammitjanet at March 10, 2010 9:21 AM

Sad, was waiting for Lost Boys 2.

3, actually. 2 was subtitled The Tribe.

Poor, poor Corey Haim.

Posted by: Anna von Beavershark at March 10, 2010 9:24 AM

Never did make it to adulthood..He was a lucky kid but not a talented or good looking one and that set him up for failure.

Again "his mother was at home with him" a la Brittany Murphy. How about you stop worrying about money and take care of your kids!!

Posted by: bananapanda at March 10, 2010 9:27 AM

:( I was hoping it was some sort of joke.

I met him once at a comic convention in London. I had no idea what to say. It was sad mainly as he was signing photos of himself back when he was a teenager.

Posted by: Carrie at March 10, 2010 9:28 AM

haim. what the fuck.
and kballs, im waiting for the official statement/stunt/photo op from feldman as well. remember when MJ died, and he showed up to the funeral dressed AS micheal? ugh.

Posted by: samma at March 10, 2010 9:55 AM

If Haim makes the 'In Rememberance" montage at the 2011 Oscars, I'm cutting a bitch.

Posted by: admin at March 10, 2010 10:03 AM

RIP Lucas

Posted by: chester at March 10, 2010 10:13 AM

absolutely no offense meant, but i totally thought he was already dead. did anyone else or am i alone in this?

Posted by: gem at March 10, 2010 10:16 AM

Buh. Bye.

He was talentless, but that didn't stop him from making movies (has that ever stopped anyone?).

Now, if Corey Feldman had bought it ...

Posted by: The Wanderer at March 10, 2010 10:16 AM

Lucaplagia.

This is sad, but not even remotely surprising. It was probably a combination of drugs and his heart probably gave out, no longer able to take it.

And I'm with you KBalls. If I see Corey's Feldman's sobbing mug ANYWHERE, I'm turning it off, turning the channel, clicking the X, kicking it in, whatever it takes.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at March 10, 2010 10:17 AM

RIP Haim.

Posted by: Nieve 'The Threadkiller Queen' at March 10, 2010 10:18 AM

On another note- what the hell happened to Kerri Green? One minute she's kissing a hot Charlie Sheen (pre-drugs and hookers) in Lucas and Three for the Road, the next she's gone. Hollywood really hates red-heads, huh?

Posted by: bananapanda at March 10, 2010 10:40 AM

bananapanda,
Kerri Green was a shitty actress, but that alone doesn't automatically eliminate her from Hollywodd. Being a shitty actress combined with an apparent refusal to show us her titties put the nail in her acting coffin. No borderline actress from the 80's made it anywhere unless they exposed themselves every once and a while. Hollywood has apparently altered their stance here since Kristen Stewart is still getting work. Not saying she should do a nude scene. No thank you. Really, please don't take off your shirt. Gross.

Posted by: Kballs at March 10, 2010 10:57 AM

OK, I know I'm old because I have no idea who this kid is/was. Now get off my lawn.

Posted by: BWeaves at March 10, 2010 11:03 AM

There's this restaurant/bar on Sunset that was running a weekly "Corey night" for its karaoke. Instead of standard karaoke, they had a house band that included Corey Feldman, Corey Haim, and Corey Hart (I guess they were the owners or something), who would accompany the person singing. I don't know how long it lasted, as I know there was tension between Haim and Feldman, but I meant to give it a try, as it seemed an irresistible trip for anyone who grew up in the 80s. I wish I had now.

Anyway, Lucas was a great movie, and Corey Haim carried it. It's sad to see drugs claim yet another kid from the Hollywood machine.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 10, 2010 11:12 AM

He was a cute and charming kid, likely scarred from way too many plowings on associate producers' couches. Sorry that things turned out this way.

Posted by: Drake at March 10, 2010 11:16 AM

I'm with The Wanderer. Talentless. If he had any, he would've been bigger over the course of his career.

When I hear about these ODs, my response is /yawn/ and /click link to next article/

Posted by: gunnertec at March 10, 2010 11:16 AM

It's not sad because Haim was some tremendous visionary, it's sad because he was just 38 years old and had already been washed-up for about twenty years. The drugs and ridiculousness were the fallout of that fact. Children just weren't protected in Hollywood then.

Posted by: samantha t at March 10, 2010 11:20 AM

I remember watching a really good special about child stars from the 1920's up until now, and they talked to the actual stars (now grown) or people that knew them (everyone from the guys from Leave it to Beaver to Laura Ingalls on Little House on the Prairie to Rodney Alan Rippy) and just how horrific some of these people were treated, how much money their parents stole from them, and how many had died penniless and anonymous. Apparently they have a really good organization in Hollywood that works with some of them to get recovery help and representation for lost wages. Some of the worst was hearing about the Our Gang kids and little Jackie Coogan in the 1920's; they worked for practically nothing and almost all died homeless or alcoholics.

It makes me sad that the "kids" I knew and loved in the 80's and 90's either never achieved the fame they once had, or could never cope with the fame when they had it.

Posted by: scorzi at March 10, 2010 11:20 AM

http://www.fandango.com/childstars:theirstory_v245576/summary

This was the panel discussion program I was talking about. Very informative, especially learning about the black and white era child stars.

Posted by: scorzi at March 10, 2010 11:31 AM

Thanks for bringing that up, Scorzi. I agree.

Samantha wrote --->Children just weren't protected in Hollywood then.

Shit, I don't think they are protected NOW. So sad.

Posted by: Less Lee Moore at March 10, 2010 11:34 AM

"In recent years, he has struggled with drug dependence.."

Actually, this dude has had drug problems for 20+ years. Its 2010, Dustin.

Posted by: Handle at March 10, 2010 11:46 AM

Just who the hell are you judgy dickheads? What it is, is a terrible shame.

I'm truly sad about it. He was as much a powerful presence when I was growing up as Michael J Fox, Anthony Michael Hall, C. Thomas Howell, Molly Ringwald and Emilio Estevez. He broke my little teenage heart in Lucas, and did pretty great work in his other roles too. He was on a tv show with a good friend of mine in the mid-80's, and my friend never quit saying what a cool, funny guy he was.

Every person on their path copes, or doesn't cope, in their own unique way. I can't imagine exactly what I would have made of myself with his life experiences, but I'll be damned if I laugh at him.

R.I.P. Corey.

Posted by: replica at March 10, 2010 11:54 AM

Not a big shocker. Haim turned into a giant ass-hat, and pissed away fame and fortune most people can only dream about. It is sad, though, because I can't bring myself to blame him 100% for his troubles. Maybe 75%. The other 25% goes to his parents for not providing him with the guidance he so obviously needed.

Posted by: logar at March 10, 2010 11:54 AM

Now why would some people take the opportunity and time to write bad things about him or his career? He is still a person who has just died at a very young age. Jeez you people are cynical.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at March 10, 2010 11:59 AM

Sad story. Rest in peace, Sam.

Posted by: Mattfactor at March 10, 2010 12:05 PM

I'm with replica, he might not have been the most gifted or succesful but Haim wasn't yet 40 and for many of us he WAS our cinematic youth. One of the first 'grown upish' films I saw was Lost Boys and it remains a beloved favourite. License To Drive was another one that charmed me as a kid/ tween even if I saw it a few years after it's initial release. I try to let everyone be on pajiba but to shrug over his death because he hadn't made anything recently or had a well publicised drug habit is fucking cold you guys.

We're BITCHY. We're not dicks

Posted by: Nadine at March 10, 2010 12:05 PM

Please allow me to be the asshole of the page, since everyone else thinks its such a shame that a drug addict overdosed.

Boo-fuckin-hoo. The man was a stopwatch counting down to zero. it wasn't a question of if he was going to OD, it was a question of when. Personally, I don't feel sorry for the poor bastard. I feel sympathy for those who have to bury a friend, son, and brother, but not one lick of that goes to Corey himself.

You play with fire and you get burned. Quit feeling sorry for someone who made his choices and met the ultimate consequence because of them.

Posted by: bignick at March 10, 2010 12:09 PM

@Nadine: As evidenced by the nature of Corey's rise and fall, it's a cold world after all.

Posted by: bignick at March 10, 2010 12:11 PM

Bignick, true, true.
RIP Haim.

Posted by: Nadine at March 10, 2010 12:18 PM

bignick - the representative of the 'all men/women are islands, entire unto themselves' concept. Okay.

But no thing in this world operates all alone, and we are all at this moment, the final consequence of our combined experience. You wouldn't be writing here if there were zero impact/reward for you.

But, perhaps you are broadcasting your truth from your own island. I imagine you have a throne to proclaim from and everything. May you never fail.

Posted by: replica at March 10, 2010 12:29 PM

This man was a stopwatch counting down to zero.
Hmm. I would like to know where one can buy this quantum stopwatch, and will it also count to -i?

Posted by: Jim Doggie at March 10, 2010 12:35 PM

I don't begrudge the negative sentiments about Corey, I am simply amazed that the blogospere grants you the intellectual freedom to write any old asshole thing you want regardless of how heartless it is. I get it. I know that's the point, but he was still a PERSON.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at March 10, 2010 12:39 PM

I guess I lack some sense of sentiment about these things. I've had a running $1 bet with a friend for 20 years -- whenever someone famous dies, the first one to think of a joke about it wins a buck. And yeah, I'll be collecting on the above joke.

Heartless? Maybe. If the guy never had a chance, I'd feel differently. And anyway, we're all whistling past the graveyard in our own way....

Posted by: sansho1 at March 10, 2010 12:47 PM

I suppose a person has a right to be heartless, if that's the way they can best protect themselves from what is frightening in the world.

But still it seems worth saying that no addict was ever cured with blame. A kid's brain is barely formed at the age of 16, and the industry and social world those young stars are in give them choices they're not prepared to make, when they can't possibly know the consequences and don't have enough myelin to be smart about it them if they did. My heart goes out to all people who choose to walk that line between self-medication and suicide, but especially those who start down that path so young.

My guess is that they'll find no illegal drugs in his system, just like Brittany Murphy and Michael Jackson and Anna Nicole Smith and Heath Ledger (etc. etc.) and we'll be looking at yet another tragic consequence of the medical community playing fast and loose with prescriptions. And that's not just Hollywood--maybe those doctors don't look like the ones in the pill shops in Harlem, but it's the same thing.

Child star or anonymous bum or anything in between, "choice" looks pretty fuzzy from here.

Also, Jim Doggie, I love you.

Posted by: Codger at March 10, 2010 12:52 PM

I swear to gods, my friend needs a light punch in the neck.

"We should all bow our heads in a moment of silence for the loss of Corey Haim. Looks like we can scratch Goonies 2."

He, and numerous people, swear up and down that the 2 Coreys were both in the Goonies. I hate these people.

On the other hand....I wonder if Meredith Salenger needs a comfy shoulder* to cry on.


By "comfy shoulder" I mean my penis.

Posted by: PissBoy at March 10, 2010 12:58 PM

This isn't fair, people are being cynical because of the context of his career, not because it's his fault he died.

I don't think people would be just as cynical if this was an article about Jim Morrison or John Bonham, because they were music gods. They killed themselves because they drank too much.

This is just silly, a young man died, who didn't deserve to.

Go fuck an onion.

Posted by: Thurgod at March 10, 2010 12:58 PM

I know his family and friends put together a couple of interventions and they did not work.

God knows he was loved and there were those who tried to help him.

Because of the addicts I've seen in my own life, I tend to have a matter-of-fact feeling about it now. Sometimes you just can't save someone from themselves. And if everything in the world you have done isn't working and the addict continues to uses, it's just a fact that sooner or later (and probably sooner), their body is going to give up and give out.

Feeling sorry for him doesn't do him a rat shit worth of good now. I'm going to watch Lucas tonight (my favorite movie of his by far) and remember him fondly and wish him well where ever he is now.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at March 10, 2010 12:59 PM

First Farrah Fawcett and now Corey Haim, the shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun, this Clone War has.

Posted by: Orrin Hatch at March 10, 2010 1:22 PM

Snuggz, it's your favorite movie of his because it was the best one. People call him talentless, but that doesn't explain Lucas.

It's sad that he's gone. It's sad that those who loved him couldn't save him from himself. It's sad that he had so much promise and wasted it on las drogas (which, by the way: siempre hay que separa las drogas. Sorry, wrong Corey).

Was he a loser? Absolutely. His tragic death doesn't change his pathetic life. But his death was still tragic, especially considering how many people did love him. It won't matter to them that it was his own fault or that they did everything they could to help him. I'm sure they were hoping that they'd have thirty more years to plead with him to turn his life around.

I'm so sad for his family and friends, but I'm sad for him, too. I can't imagine the despair that must come with caring more about your next high than your own life. I'm glad that I can't imagine it.

Posted by: Jelinas at March 10, 2010 1:37 PM

I'm with snuggie. He WAS an addict whom people had tried to help countless times. He was always going to die due todrugs.

But that still doesn't excuse callous comments. Yeah, people are snarky because they're scared themselves or because they see an addict die after years of drug abuse and figure 'well...yeah'

But the points made still stand; he was relatively young, he had a mum and friends who cared, and for many of us he'll still always be babyfaced little Sam with his George Michael poster and singing in the bath and his godamn dirty bloodsucker of a brother. That's why I'm sad. I think of Haim and I see that adorable, optimistic little kid who had a bit of a lisp, not the wreck he'd become. I hope he's at peace

Posted by: Nadine at March 10, 2010 1:45 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WHAAAAT

That was my literal reaction in reading the headline.

So sad. I had the hugest crush on him when I was around 8 years old. Damn yous Corey Haim! Why?!

Posted by: ashes at March 10, 2010 1:46 PM

Jesus, people can be vicious. He was a PERSON with people who cared about him, and he died at 38. It's sad no matter what drugs he swallowed or what trajectory his career took.

Posted by: Julie at March 10, 2010 1:50 PM

I know that's the point, but he was still a PERSON.

Well, he was, and I'm disappointed when anyone dies young and avoidably. I'm disappointed in people who throw it away without reason. I'm more like raged out with people who dribble it away without choosing.

Whatever the choice, I'm with you but defaulting out via a shadow life other than what you prefer? Really?

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20091126

... and we'll be looking at yet another tragic consequence of the medical community playing fast and loose with prescriptions.

And the guy who took the pills, without caring for himself, or worse, knowing his gambles? Or his friends?

The price of your life is you living it. I don't make the rules here, but it helps to know them.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at March 10, 2010 1:57 PM

Yeah, he was responsible for his own choices, but the insensitivity of some comments displayed here do seem to discount that addiction is a legitimate disease that does deserve some measure of sympathy and understanding.

Conversely, I'm not sure that being an asshole is a legitimate disease.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 10, 2010 2:35 PM

Y'all are some heartless bastards. Whether or not it was inevitable, it's still sad. And personally, I was a fan. My pre-teen self fantasized about growing up and marrying one of the Coreys. Stupid? Yes. But it still makes me sad.

Posted by: cydeleida at March 10, 2010 2:51 PM

Good Lord, I can't believe some of the awful comments on here. Those of you who are shrugging off his death - how would you feel if he were your family member? Would you be so callous if a beloved cousin or nephew died of an overdose no matter how pathetic their life was? Wait, don't answer that. I probably don't want to know. I have family members who lived like Haim for a good portion of their lives, but are clean and productive thanks to help from family and friends. They could have easily ended up like Haim.

I was never a big Corey Haim fan, but I do love The Lost Boys. Regardless, rest in peace Haim.

Posted by: stardust at March 10, 2010 2:56 PM

Seriously, I know! People are missing the most important part of this story: bignick's quantum stopwatch that counts down to zero.
I mean, this could revolutionize the world! Inverting the randomness of electrons, instant interstellar travel; a cleaner, more efficient waffle; change into a nine-year-old Hindu boy!
bignick, don't hold out on us! The scientific community is drooling for something like this!

Posted by: Jim Doggie at March 10, 2010 3:32 PM

Bierce, no one is questioning the logic that if someone chooses to use drugs they might die as a consequence, or that he surely took that gamble.

My point is that it's as sad as suicide, which f***ing sad.

Physicians who prescribe drugs irresponsibly have their own share of blame--they may not force their patients/clients to take drugs, but they help them get enough to stay addicted instead of helping them find a way to stop. Some of them do so because they're naive, lazy, or starstruck. But plenty of them are flat mercenary, too.

It seems alien to my idea of universal karma to blame the crack addict for everything, and the dealer for nothing. But then my paradigm seems to be much more interconnected and a good bit less cut and dry than what some of the commenters above seem to feel.

That said, I think the quantum stopwatch could change this circumstance. I have no doubt that Sam and Al would find that point in all of their lives at which they could be saved from the destructive continuities....

Wait, that isn't what you're talking about? Hmm.

Posted by: Codger at March 10, 2010 4:53 PM

@replica: Are you Corey Feldman in disguise?

This isn't about whether or not a person is alone in this world. It's called self-determinism. Look it up if you need to. If you're too lazy to do so, allow me to break it down Fisher-Price style for you: You make a decision; said decision gives you both positive and negative consequences. You continue to make piss-poor decisions. You receive piss-poor results.

Corey Haim was a drug addict. He continued to use everything except whatever was under his kitchen sink to escape...whatever he wanted to escape from. His body finally said, "Fuck You, I'm out!" and he died. End of fucking story.

Are you a friend of Corey Haim? A family member? A lover? If so, then my condolences for having to spend your time grieving and disposing of this dumbshit of a human being's corpse.

If you are none of the above, how the fuck does his death affect your life and the path you are on in any way, shape, or fucking form? The answer is NONE! You will still wake up tomorrow, smelling of douchbaggery and simple-minded emotions.

Bottom line, Corey made his choices and it cost him his life. His friends and family made theirs as well. Only choice left is whether to bury his ass or cremate him.

Thousands of addicts die every fucking day. Most of them aren't former movie stars. Where's your moral outrage over those deaths that are barely even recorded in your local newspaper? Weep for those nameless and forgotten people, not some movie star who couldn't handle the price of fame.

Posted by: bignick at March 10, 2010 4:55 PM

@Jim Doggie: I wish your stop watch would hit zero.

Where's Captain Hook and his insane fear of time pieces when I need something smashed?

Posted by: bignick at March 10, 2010 5:00 PM

bignick, even if you do feel that it would be cheapening your discovery, that's not a guarantee that the quantum stopwatch will be cheapened like television or the talking vibrator. I mean, you probably weren't even considering societal change or lower miles-per-gallon for breakfast treats when you created this stopwatch. You just wanted to make a stopwatch that would count down to zero. That's the purity of the inventor's heart, right there. You should be commended.
Just know that someone else is going to make their own quantum stopwatch before you know it, and then your name will be lost in history. It'll be just like Tesla's low-sodium cracker organizer, or Corey Haim's electric duck.

Posted by: Jim Doggie at March 10, 2010 5:26 PM

bignick >> I do feel sadness over the deaths of the innumerable anonymous drug addicts. One thing that a celebrity death does always make me realize is that exact measure of perspective. We make way too big a stink out of a celebrity's passing, when good people who aren't in the public eye pass away everyday.

That doesn't change the fact, though, that celebrities are in the public eye, people do care about them, and many of us are emotionally affected by what happens to them. Hence, it's a legitimate piece of news, and - if we're lucky - tragedies such as this one perhaps nudge some people somewhere into doing something more for the addicts that they know in their lives.

I repeat: addiction is a legitimate disease that requires help and treatment. As I said, Corey Haim must ultimately take responsibility for his own choices, but you seem to refuse to acknowledge that he was hard-wired for this self-destructive behavior (behavior introduced to him via his status as a child star, for that matter). I think that deserves at least a modicum of sympathy.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 10, 2010 5:43 PM

@Jim Doggie: I can't stay mad at you. You make me laugh. If you OD, I shall feel sad. But not for anyone else.

Posted by: bignick at March 10, 2010 5:52 PM

Oh hai there, bignick.

No, I'm decidedly not Feldman, nor a close buddy, nor am I involved one way or another with the man.

I just am embarrassed (for you) by your supposition that his having taken drugs somehow invalidates his worth as a human.

This being a public forum, you may go ahead and spew your possibly influenced-by-personal-experience opinion, or not. But, the same being true - I can also shake my head at your callous self interest. Your fellow human beings are your brothers and sisters, and as much as you hope to distinguish yourself from the herd, your crowing loudly about the worthlessness of another person simply defines the boundaries you think you possess. They are the little scratch marks of a chicken in a pen, kid.

I will address why I genuinely feel sad - he was part of my cultural zeitgeist, an image, a story that I shared along with my peers. His work offered me some laughs, some tears, and just because they came from an eventually flawed and possibly weak inner character, doesn't invalidate that.

And I do feel sad about the people in my life, the people I have heard of, and the people I don't know who have died from drug use, famous or not. I just haven't had to defend that aspect of my character in front of a stranger so adamant that a drug user have his shortcomings shouted in a public forum at the announcement of his death.

Keep it coming. Tell me more about your vision of the strata of society, who the worthy folks are, what we should do about the addicted. I work on a community advocacy panel (volunteer) in my city on this very issue, and I am willing to hear your thoughts.

That is, if you have one.

Posted by: replica at March 10, 2010 5:59 PM

@DarthCorleone:

So essentially your premise is that personal accountability doesn't exist? You're stating that he was hard-wired (i.e. lacking the proper free will to correct his decisions about substance abuse) so he couldn't overcome his addiction.

That's 12 step bullshit. The inherent problem with 12 step programs is that there is no personal accountability. An addict is powerless in the face of their addiction, as one of the steps states.

Well, I am addict and have been for almost 12 years. I've also been clean and sober for the last 9 of those 12 years. Didn't go AA or NA, kicked it cold turkey. I had help from friends but at the start and end of EACH and EVERY single day, I make the conscious decision not to relapse. I have the power to overcome my addictions.

Addiction is not a disease. It is a choice that is made and continues to be made. There are biological factors with addiction, such as the body's dependence on those substances to subsist, but we are conscious, thinking individuals. If any addict is unable to stop their addiction, it isn't because they are powerless to stop, it is because they don't WANT to stop. It's hard fucking work to stay clean. It's easier to let go, to let the drugs take away everything. But easy isn't better.

Personal accountability, you should try it some time. If you fuck something up, it wasn't because of something or someone else. You fucked up. If you're a drug addict, like me, its because you wanted to take the drugs, for whatever reason. You can also want to stay alive, to be clean, and to regain the power over your life.

Posted by: bignick at March 10, 2010 6:02 PM

@replica: Never said that his addictions invalidated his worth as a human being. I just don't feel that his death has any bearing or affect on me and my life. My goals will be the same tomorrow as they were when he died.

Did I enjoy the movies that he made? Yes, I did. Lost Boys is one of the few vampire comedy/action films from the 80's that I enjoyed as a kid and will still watch if it comes on.

It's good that you volunteer your time to help those less fortunate than you. But the question is: do you do that because it is expected of you; because you want others to see how charitable you are; because it increases your self-worth; or because it is the right thing to do? Don't answer the question here, that one is just for you.


Posted by: bignick at March 10, 2010 6:12 PM

bignick, I'm totally comfortable with the answer to that question. But I'll reiterate that there's no need to crash down so hard, so angry.

I'm not claiming to be 'transformed' by this either - I'm sad about it, yes. But what really gets me is knee-jerk reactions, pious judgments, and the endless search for a virtual high five from chortling, immature strangers that characterizes this vast internet, and now it seems...here.

It's the piss in my cornflakes today.

Posted by: replica at March 10, 2010 6:19 PM

bignick >> I completely respect your response and the place you're coming from. But as replica says, I do think you're coming down a little hard, perhaps because of the fact that you have the perspective of someone who has come through the other side of addiction.

There are biological factors with addiction, such as the body's dependence on those substances to subsist...

That's all I'm saying, and that mere fact means I don't shrug off any drug addict as completely unworthy of sympathy or understanding. I stand by the statement that addiction is technically a disease. The American Medical Association as well as the vast majority of the medical community agrees with me on this. You are welcome to ignore their assessment if you prefer.

Again, I congratulate you and respect you for defeating addiction through the force of your will, but that does not mean that all addicts everywhere have the same physical capacity that you do.

I don't appoint myself the judge of the degree of willingness Corey Haim or anyone in that situation has, so I tend to err on the side of sympathy. Additionally, I myself don't typically subscribe to "12 step bullshit," as you put it. Only science.

Apologies if I offended you at all.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 10, 2010 6:32 PM

Lindsay Lohan, meet your future.

Posted by: kerokan at March 10, 2010 6:32 PM

Thank you, bignick. I would like to invite you, so as to mark our newofund professional courtesy, to observe a moment of silence for Corey Haim's electric duck.
Sadly, now that he has passed and left its laser-guidance systems incomplete, it may never advance past the stage of walk-quack-poop.
May your quantum stopwatch fair better than Corey Haim's electric duck.

Posted by: Jim Doggie at March 10, 2010 6:34 PM

My pre-teen self fantasized about growing up and marrying one of the Coreys.

Me too, cydeleida.

RIP, Les.

Posted by: Meli Mel at March 10, 2010 6:41 PM

I don't mean to be callous. Corey Haim was a person and it's a shame. I do not mock, nor do I revel in anyone's demise. (Literally anyone.)

I'm also angered by the waste on this one. Doctors, pills and the stresses of fame aside, front and center in the chain leading to that waste is the man himself.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds." I can hold both of those notions in my head at once.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at March 10, 2010 7:51 PM

I hope I wasn't one that was thought of as being a calloused asshole about him.

I think every single human's life has value. Even that Spencer Pratt douchebag. Even Heidi Montag.

But I've seen addiction too long, too up close and personal, to be very romantic about it.

Let's take my stepfather: if he died tomorrow from his liver finally saying "you know what? 35 years of this shit, I'm out" it would be sad not in the sense that he was dead (in fact, his own brothers have admitted it will be a relief when he dies) but for all the years he wasted on the sauce. His death from alcohol poisoning or liver failure or a car accident (dear God please don't let him take anyone else with him) is just a matter of freaking odds. Corey Haim? Same thing. Odds. He didn't beat them.

I participated in two interventions for my stepfather and set up and ran a third. He went to rehab--wait--15 separate times. I drove him to rehab seven of those times. One rehab stay was a long-term stint--six months--then a halfway house, then a sober living center, then an apartment with a roommate further along in the program than he was.

He went out and got drunker than Cooter Brown the first chance he got. All that help. All those family members killing themselves to help him, sobbing and weeping and rending their garments over him and he just keeps on keeping on.

The morning after I called 911 and he was admitted with a blood alcohol level of .689 (yes, you read that right--over half his blood was alcohol) I came into his hospital room. He was still drunk, of course, it would take days to be fully sober. The doctor told me he's seen corpses with a lower BAL and doesn't even know how he survived. I looked at my stepdad, started to cry, and said "I've tried to help..." and he stopped me and just said "why?"

That was it for me. Why, indeed? He obviously was hell-bent on some hari-kari mission and no one was going to stop him.

Addiction's a hell of a beast. But it can be overcome. I give my pity to those poor souls who don't even HAVE anyone who cares enough to try to help them, much less countless strangers weeping over them.

It's sad when anyone dies before their time, addict or not. But I guess all I've tried to say is that this was pretty inevitable. I hope it's not callous to just acknowledge that. I certainly wouldn't say it if I were speaking at his funeral or anything.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at March 10, 2010 8:44 PM

Speaking as someone who hasn't had a drink in over 13 years (and DID need the 12 steps, thankyouverymuch)...

I wonder how many of you who've had callous, bigdickish things to say about this particular person's death would have said similar things if Robert Downey, Jr., instead of sobering up and going on to have a resurgent and flourishing career, had overdosed and died a pathetic drug addict's death on the Pacific Coast Highway 6 years ago.

Would that have somehow been a terrible, tragic waste -- because he was so very talented?

Or would he have been a pathetic loser douchebag because he was given so many chances and serve him right, fuck him?

Just wondering.

Because, you know, though they differed in their bodies of professional work and the subjective unquantifiable gift called talent, the man worshipped on this site as RDJ and the man being mocked and spat on -- and pitied and mourned, too -- called Corey Haim SHARED something, too: alcoholism and drug addiction. And until 5 years ago, "RDJ" struggled on and off for over 20 years, just as mightily and pitifully as Corey Haim did. In a far more public and pitiful way, actually: RDJ went to PRISON over it. And I think RDJ might be the first person to say that it is only by the grace of god or some power he doesn't understand that HE has been lucky enough and strong enough to stay clean and sober for 5 straight years... that he was blessed with a huge circle of friends and loved ones who helped him when he needed it, that he was given so many chances when he really didn't deserve them...

And frankly, anyone who says alcoholism (and addiction) isn't a disease isn't worth my fucking time. It's been acknowledged by the entire goddamned medical community for over half a fucking century as being a disease. Alcoholism is a choice? Eat me, you fucking cock.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at March 10, 2010 8:54 PM

Jesus Fucking Christ.

Not everyone is physically or emotionally capable of quitting shit cold turkey, you fucking littledick douchebag.

Good on you for being better than everyone else, though. Asshole.

Posted by: Anna von Murderpuppet at March 10, 2010 9:46 PM

Snuggie, I don't think you sounded callous at all. I can only imagine the frustration and emotional exhaustion you must have faced with your stepfather. It sounds to me like you love him very much--but you have come to accept that he's not willing to be helped. And there's nothing wrong with that; in fact, it truly sounds like it was necessary.

On the other hand, I think some people are showing contempt for the addict, rather than for the addiction. It's really disheartening to hear such a lack of empathy for someone who died so young. No, I didn't know him--hell, I'm not sure I've seen a single one of his movies. But still, I think it's sad that someone who could have had so much became so wrapped up in addiction and so unable to see what he was doing to himself and to the people who loved him. It makes me think of my cousin, who overdosed before his 30th birthday. Or of my little brother, who had his own problem with drugs, at one point going missing for a couple of weeks--thankfully, he's clean and sober now, but that was a terrifying time. Point is, it can happen to anyone, so why the need to judge Corey so harshly?

Posted by: meaux at March 10, 2010 9:47 PM

Ooh, sorry, I spelled that wrong: s/b "self-righteous asshole."

Posted by: Anna von Murderpuppet at March 10, 2010 9:50 PM

Maryscott, I know I give you a lot of shit, but that was brilliantly said.

Posted by: I Love Beets at March 10, 2010 11:11 PM

Jesus Fucking Christ.

Not everyone is physically or emotionally capable of quitting shit cold turkey, you fucking littledick douchebag.

Good on you for being better than everyone else, though. Asshole.

Posted by: Anna von Murderpuppet at March 10, 2010 9:46 PM

Thank you for the compliments. Anna, I wouldn't recommend quitting cold turkey for everyone. Most people need rehab programs and good for them. Get the help you need. I couldn't afford rehab (but Corey could and last week refused to enter a rehab program)so I had to be locked down in a house for a week to get the junk out of my system.

I wasn't physically or emotionally ready to be clean but that choice was taken away from me by my friends. They got me clean. I had to stay clean. I refuse to shed tears for someone who had all the opportunities in the world to clean himself up (and Corey had more than a few) and still refuses to make the necessary changes.

In this case, I am better than Corey Haim, because I'm clean-sober LIVING. He is dead. That makes me better than him. Everyone on here apparently wants to think of him as a victim of his vices. He isn't a victim. His family and friends, who had to deal with him and his addictions, are the victims. They get my sympathy for the pain they have had to endure and still endure.

As for the Addiction is a Disease debate, here's some food for thought:

Were you forced to drink alcohol? Did someone hold a gun to your head and force you to drink? 9 times out of 10 the answer is gonna be NO. So as much as you wish to think that you are biologically-wired (and therefore devoid of the responsibility for your actions), the fact is YOU MADE A DECISION TO DRINK! And you continued to make the decision to drink.

Try to follow this logic: You are a young adult of 18 and have never drank alcohol. You are offered your first drink. You like the effects and the camaraderie that develops between your friends so you continue to drink. Soon you are unable to properly function without the presence of alcohol in your system. Your body was able to sustain itself without difficulty without the presence of alcohol for 18 years.

What you are referring to is the psychological need for a substance. You bullshit yourself into believing that you need the drug to fit in, to be social, to be confident, or whatever nonsense. Now without that drug you cannot be any of those things. After the body has kicked its addiction, the mind must deal with reality at face value, not behind the lens of a drug.

To Maryscott, I'm truly happy for you that you have been sober for 13 years. You've obviously been able to develop self-control, which is good. I hope that your can maintain it. If you can't, don't blame the booze. Blame the hand holding the booze.

Posted by: bignick at March 10, 2010 11:29 PM

Or should I say the person holding the booze.

Posted by: bignick at March 10, 2010 11:31 PM

bignick, first off, I'm not trying to cut you down as a person. I do think you make some interesting points, and I admire your tenacity. But honey, I am in no mood.

I still find your arguments extremely biased, shaded, influenced - whatever you wish to call it - by what I correctly guessed as a personal issue with the drug subject. It's pretty easy to see that this is a flashpoint subject for you, and fair enough. Be it, feel it. But on a memorial post? Please, spare us a moment of reflection, because being hateful about a deceased, troubled actor is beneath you.

All I can say about your last statement(s) is that you may as well fault the lactose intolerant for trying milk. There is more at play here than weak character and a self-programmed desire for social acceptance. Experience has an ebb and flow - it's some tricky shit. There's no sound of dice rolling when you try a new path, a new sport, new person or a new substance. If it were as easy as sounding a moral gong I'm sure many of us would be in a better place altogether.

We are all hardwired differently, and neither of us can claim what it would take to heal the addicted, and MOST ESPECIALLY neither of us can claim to know what Corey Haim experienced - or what drove him to this final error in judgement (be it accident or suicide).

You know what it took for you, but you speak for yourself. Don't forget it.
(And I'm having zero trouble following along. Thank you for your concern.)

Posted by: replica at March 11, 2010 1:33 AM

You know what makes me sad? The fact that this thread has essentially devolved into a contest of who can make who look like more of an asshole for believing what they do. There are many valid points that have been made (on both sides of the addiction argument) that really could have been stated in a much more reasonable and...shall we say...considerate manner, but the level of vitriol has reached an amazing crescendo.

Perhaps everybody should take a step back and put things into perspective. Yes, someone in the public eye who made some decent movies died from a preventable (fair assessment?) disease and sympathies should be extended to family and friends. By the same token; I don't think anybody is surprised by what occured and, respectfully, Mr. Haim's life or death isn't going to change the world.

The fact of the matter is that everybody is kind of right in this discussion. Corey had an addiction (which is a diseases) but, as any former addict will tell you, nobody but yourself will make you break that addiction. You can have as many interventions as you want but, until that person decides to take the initiative, it doesn't matter. I'm sure you know this quite well, bignick and Maryscott, as do I.

At the end of the day, Corey's death is just as important to his family and friends as the other 155,000 people that died today. But, since he was in the public eye and had a well documented problem, his gets more press. We don't really consider the day to day doldrum of the children who died due to incurable diseases, we don't consider the accidents that take the lives of other's loved ones, nor do we consider the random acts of violence that take anothers life. Why? Because we don't know those individuals. They weren't in movies.

Really, people, I'm trying to be the voice of reason. That's some pretty fucked up shit right there.

Posted by: Lemon at March 11, 2010 2:55 AM

Goddammit! That was supposed to be from admin!

Posted by: admin at March 11, 2010 2:56 AM

Thanks Lemon, but I don't need to be told to calm down. Just chatting with an interesting person with a different viewpoint regarding the role of personal responsibility in addicted persons. As anyone could have guessed, this topic bothers me as much as it bugs bignick. I've spent the greater part of a decade living in the midst of communities with overwhelming poverty, addict populations and the mentally ill. The social consensus to write these people off simply guts me, and I'm unwilling to shut up sometimes.

I get your point though, I'm certainly not the boss of internet feelings, and I feel bad for blevying all over this post too, so I'm all good with ending the day.

Posted by: replica at March 11, 2010 3:40 AM

The percentage of hard drug addicts who achieve lasting consistent sobriety is so small as to be statistically insignificant. It has reached the point where some medical insurance and some rehab centres won't accept certain kinds of addicts because they are considered basically incurable. I do not think this is because all these addicts simply do not wish to recover, I think it is that difficult. I think drugs worm their way into one's psyche and one's neurology that deeply.

The horrific suffering and indignity that your average addict goes through is not because it's all worth it for the high. For whatever complex biochemical and psychological reasons, they usually are just unsuccessful at clawing their way out, or staying out.

I understand people running out of sympathy, I understand people thinking, "well,why don't they just stop". I even understand the self-righteous judgments from ex-addicts and those who have no way of relating. None of that makes the plight of addiction any less real. For some people, the realm of choice and ability to cope and adapt and recover simply dwindles.

Addiction is a vicious syndrome for the addict and anyone orbiting around the addict. It's just a very sad thing.

I think a lot of the grief and sympathy people are expressing is the acknowledgment that there are things inside us, and in our environments that drag us down, and kill us very slowly with protracted suffering, and all the caring and medical attention in the world often does not prevent it. it's an ugly part of reality that we all live with. Call it a vice or a disease, its very real and destroys people. It doesn't just destroy the weak, it destroys strong people who struggle against it too. It makes everyone feel helpless -- and not surprisingly, the emotional responses range from pain to anger.

In the case of some of these celebrities, it sure can't help matters having one's every move dissected, exploited, discussed and judged publicly. Addiction makes me sad. The idea of someone struggling for years, failing over and again and being constantly mocked and gossiped about by strangers, the idea that the extended ruins of a persons life is idle chatter for millions carries a much more acute horror.

Posted by: idleprimate at March 11, 2010 8:33 AM

Well said idleprimate.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at March 11, 2010 10:09 AM

A decade or so ago, I watched part of some show about child actors and what became of them. Corey Haim was one of the interviewees.

The line that stuck with me -- I don't remember who said it -- went something like this. If you want somebody to have an unhappy life, make them a child star.

I think it's safe to say that most of us here aren't famous. Despite this, we manage to make it through the day without self-medicating. We didn't spend significant portions of our young lives with people fawning over us, so when they don't pay attention to us now, we don't consider it a problem.

Is Corey Haim's death more tragic than that of any other addict? Of course not. I'm still glad I didn't get his life.

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Its wierd that Brittany is dead and her husband also passed away. I guess they used to much drugs and alcohol. Rest in Peace

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