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THIS ASSHOLE will be playing sy-fy generic "captain guy" for the rest of his miserable life.

/waits for him to star in Stargate Cosmos in 2012

I think Pine's got range. I caught Smokin Aces on TV the other day, which is a terrible movie, but the character Pine plays in it is NOTHING like Captain Kirk so I have to give him credit for that. Also, he was skinny as hell in that movie, so I guess he did nothing but eat eggs and protein shakes between then and Star Trek.

Basically, I'm interested to see what he does with it. I can't say at the moment if he'll be great or awful, but I think it'll at least be interesting.

Just for the record, I saw him in the play he did in LA, Farragut North, and pretty boy can act. Whether that carries over to grittier roles remains to be seen, but his role in that wasn't....entirely pleasant, let's put it that way.

Huh, well lookie there: Slim's finally come around on Pine. Way to let go of the hate, buddy.

Posted by: George at November 2, 2009 12:22 PM

That may very well be...for some.

But it doesn't mean Pine is good enough to play Jack Ryan. HARRISON FORD wasn't good enough to play Jack Ryan.

Alec Baldwin defined the role, son.

...hell, not only are Pine and Quinto better at being Nemoy and Shatner than Nemoy and Shatner, there (sic) version of Star Trek was actually better than the original.

Let's not drift into absurdity, George.

not only are Pine and Quinto better at being Nemoy and Shatner than Nemoy and Shatner, there version of Star Trek was actually better than the original.

George, you are out of your mind. Original what? Just the original movie? Exactly how much of the classic series have you watched? Pine and Quinto did a fine job, but Shatner and Nimoy owned those roles for decades. They honed those characters into icons. You don't just make statements like yours based on one decent, fun action movie that had almost zero to do with the more serious sci-fi that Shatner and Nimoy helped give us.

George >> I think my point about the new movie is that it's exactly as you say: the one. And only one. Shatner and Nimoy paid their dues with 70+ episodes of great television, not to mention several films. I'm not saying the content of all that was universally excellent (and, yes, I have seen every episode of the classic series), but - in my opinion - the best of it was far superior to the new film and much more in line tonally with Roddenberry's original vision. As I said, that does not mean the new film was bad; I actually enjoyed it. But it was a good introduction and nothing more, and - while Pine and Quinto performed admirably - I wouldn't so easily dismiss Shatner and Nimoy as you seem to do.

George -- I see your point.
DarthCorleone (best fake name ever) -- I see your point as well.

The new movie was amazing. It surpassed the original series and movies in so many ways. It had familiar settings that grounded the tone, such as the seedy military/townie bar. There was a contrast between the gritty reality of the real world and the amazing technology of star-ships that the original Trek never touched upon. Everything in those movies is so sterile (with a few extraordinary exceptions). The action surpassed ANYTHING we'd seen before, even in the Next Gen movies. The youthful cast does so much to enliven the whole story -- you don't feel like you're watching your grandparent's play rugby, wincing at every kick and punch and just praying someone doesn't break a hip.

In reality, there is no fair way to compare the old franchise to the new franchise. They are on different paths. Though the old actors entirely embody the characters, they were seriously hampered by decades of shoddy writting and method acting. The new actors might not have the soul of the characters, but they certainly have the acting chops and scripting to bring them to life.

Frankly, I thought it was amazing that two new actors could so totally reinvent the characters.

superasente >> Much of what you say is true. The action was very good, and the "sterile" nature of the old (much of which was driven by budget and/or the capabilities of the times) of course plays dated at this point. The fact that the new film should surpass the old with those qualities should be a given. If Abrams didn't achieve on those merits, there would have been something seriously wrong in their attention to the project and in the use of their budget.

But Star Trek has never been first and foremost about action, and I'm willing to overlook the sterility of the old. The story has been about ideas, as good sci-fi should be. And - I'm sorry - but in that respect Abrams' film is extremely lacking, as it is lacking in the spirit of exploration and the philosophies that drive the original material. I'm willing to forgive that, as this is basically an introduction to the characters. It's where they go from here that matters. Of course the youthful cast enlivens the story and makes a good beginning, but that doesn't lessen the other primary strength of the original cast's films, which was the interplay and history those actors and their characters had developed together.

And I can't leave it unsaid if I'm going to ramble about the new movie: as good a job as Quinto does, that was not the Spock of the original series. There's way too much emotion, and I don't think the entry of Nero into this universe would somehow butterfly-effect its way into Spock's having an affair with Uhura at the Academy. I'm willing to forgive it, but it's still irksome.

I thought Quinto was horrible, awful and laughable. He can't begin to compare to Nimoy.

Star Trek 2009 is great! And the actors!
And considering that the franchise was dead, so this ST2009 IS THE MOST SUCCESFUL MOVIE!!
Let this clear, nobody gave a shit for a STmovie until this amazing reboot!

Are you out of your mind? C´mon, all of you! Really, nobody can compare to the original actors, so what is the solution? We have to clone them!
You are a shame!

P.D: I don´t know why now we´re talking about the movie ?

I'll just let those stand on their own merits, I really don't think I need to say anything.

amy >> No offense, but is English your first language?