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I was under the impression that that the first two X-Men weren't considered all that great by most fans. Now, Singer wants to return to a franchise he WILLINGLY abandoned and wanted nothing to do with? I don't know how to feel about this.

Yossarian, don't ever mention those movies again. They do not exist. They have been made into burnt offerings to the Godtopus and the minor Gods of Not Sucking.

To be fair, Blade Trinity does have Our Patron Saint of Sweet Abs in it; also, I find it unfair of you to critize something with Patton Oswalt in it. Ever.

Oh yeah, and Batman Forever, when they gave Schumacher the keys to the franchise.

Now, Singer wants to return to a franchise he WILLINGLY abandoned and wanted nothing to do with? I don't know how to feel about this.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 12, 2009 9:59 AM

I could be way off base here, but I thought the deal was that Singer said he'd be happy to make the third one as long as the studio waited until he was done with Superman, but they rushed ahead anyway.

I am probably incredibly wrong.

I could be way off base here, but I thought the deal was that Singer said he'd be happy to make the third one as long as the studio waited until he was done with Superman, but they rushed ahead anyway.

I am probably incredibly wrong.

Posted by: Arran at October 12, 2009 10:19 AM
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There lies the rub, you see. He was supposed to do X-Men then got his brain all consumed on doing that STUPID Superman flick. You can't expect a studio to "wait" for your ass to finish some vanity project. If anyone is to blame for X-3 is Singer himself.

X4 would have to either ignore or magically change things so that X3 never happened. I really don't want an X-Men movie where half the main mutants are dead or missing. Plus I want X3 purged from the world. Either that or do a total restart with the new team in charge. Emma Frost, adult Rogue, Gambit, etc.

If anyone is to blame for X-3 is Singer himself.

Warner Bros. had no problem waiting for Nolan to do The Prestige before taking on The Dark Knight (and he took his sweet time with that one too).

So asking a studio to hold up while you finish another film, after giving them moneymakers like he did, isn't that outlandish. Fox was just being a huge prick like it always does.

Plus, he didn't pick Ratner to follow him. The studio did.

He didn't take anything out?

Well, other than killing off major characters, and turning one of the greatest comic boook story arcs in history into one of the stupidest concepts ever, I guess you're right.

Here you go, you wanna blame somebody? Here's how it all played out:

http://www.hollywoodgothique.com/news/interviews/x-men-3-writers-speak-2/

Blow it out your ass.

That's not my point at all.

Well actually Matthew Vaughn left X3 at the last minute and Brett Ratner took over, so while it's easy to blame Ratner, I would imagine he had next to no input on the script and the cast. So really blame, Singer for leaving to do Superman, Vaughn for bailing and Ratner for being a douchebag.

You can't blame Singer for NOT doing a bad movie. If he left and took the writers with him, Fox could very well have started from scratch or took its time for making a good movie, or waited for Singer to come back. But then again, why should them? The Last Stand was a bigger hit than the two previous movies, and showed them they could do a really stupid fourth movie and get away with a even bigger hit (that would be Wolverine). So, you can blame Fox for wanting the money, but you can't blame Singer for preferring to take the chance to do a Superman movie than doing his third X-Men movie. No one is forced to keep doing the sequels just because he did the first ones. And he surely can't be blamed for not doing the movies that suck afterwards.

And if you look at what happened with Sam Raimi and Spider-Man, there's nothing that guarantees that the quality will keep up if you keep the same people in charge.

That may very well be, but it's not a standard industry practice, by any means.

Not saying it was. Just saying that if a guy gives not just one but TWO blockbusters in a row and practically serves up a third, a little time off to cleanse the palette isn't that outrageous. And using Nolan again, it isn't like the desire for another film would have suffered all that much because of a longer period of time.

And we see the "care" Fox has for the franchise with Wolverine. They were more focused on making a quick buck, and while that is the nature of the beast, they also got to take a nice helping of blame with their paycheck.

Fact is, they didn't want to wait, so they got the product they deserved.

Well actually Matthew Vaughn left X3 at the last minute and Brett Ratner took over, so while it's easy to blame Ratner, I would imagine he had next to no input on the script and the cast.

Really, if Ratner should get off for being a hired gun, then Vaughn should as well. And if Vaughn did have input on the script/cast, then what kept Ratner from doing the same?

I get sick of saying this but Spiderman 3 was good dammit, not as good as the other 2 but it was still damn good. Sorry if you somehow contacted HIV from watching Emo-Spidey but some of us ate that up and asked for More. (Emo-Aids....I like it)

As for this news, The X-Men series is broken beyond repair. No amount of tight storytelling, compelling dialogue and Michael bay Level CGI Explosions could save this franchise.

James Marsden is Dead.... Enough Said

Turning Cyclops into an insecure, chauvinistic douchebag just to make Wolverine look better (and if you wanna go into feminist commentary world, turning Jean Grey into yet another brainless victimized female who's OH NO SO TRAPPED in a marriage to an asshole and GOSH Wolverine should just SAVE HER, rather than a happily married woman who finds herself slowly attracted to another man despite her husband's awesomeness)? WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT OH MY GOD.

And that is different form the comics how exactly?

I couldn't really care less if Singer is partially at fault for the turdstorm that was X-men 3; he gave us two good films, so if he wants to come back and give us more good films, I can't fault him for that. Honestly, the X-Men films are my favourite comic-book franchise; I find Spider-man boring, and while The Dark Knight was excellent, I'd never rewatch it as often as I have X2.

Nat - yes, yes, and YES. ITA with everything you said (and may Movie Phoenix RIP. How could they ruin my favorite story arc ever?). They just need to reboot the franchise. I would love to see it closer to the 90's cartoon - with an adult Rogue, for starters, a Rogue/Gambit romance (with someone who can pull off a Cajun accent this time, please!), no Halle Berry... I could keep dreaming like this for days.

Just like all the other franchises (I'm looking at you Star Wars and LOTR), the recipe for X-Men is this: remove the best scenes from all 4, combine, fold, & mix in random order and voila! one decent movie.